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truth_n	apostle_n	church_n	err_v	1,649	5	9.6490	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A02912	An advertisement or admonition, unto the congregations, vvhich men call the new fryelers in the lowe Countries, wrirten [sic] in Dutche. And publiched in Englis. VVherein is handled 4. principall pointes of religion. 1. That Christ tooke his flesh of Marie, haveing a true earthly, naturall bodie, 2. That a Sabbath or day of rest, is to be kept holy everie first day of the weeke. 3. That ther is no succession, nor privilege to persons in the holie thinges. 4. That magistracie, being an holy ordinance of God, debarreth not anie from being of the Church of Christ. After these followes certen demandes concerning Gods decree of salvation and condemnation.	Helwys, Thomas, 1550?-1616?	1611 (1611)	STC 13053; ESTC S116912	57,734	190

to do all thinges if your rule of particuler proportion be good there is no such course nor proportion in the scriptures Iohn his example will not serve your turne for Iohn planted no Churches If you will have planters of Churches and that all men must come to them then must they needs be endued with like gifts as the first ●lanters were speake all languages as Th-appostles did worke miracles and not err in doctrine for the Lords hand is not shortned nor his grace and mercie lessned to his Church and people But if he send men with the same office and aucthoritie that he sent his Appostles he will for the honor of his owne name the advancement of his truth and good of his people give them the same gifts and not bring his truth and people in bondage to men full of errors ignorances and blindnes as you and all men are therefore be content to be biulders vpō the foundation layd and forbid not others to build thereon but let every man take heed how he buildeth vpon it 1. Cor. 3.10 This may suffice for this point and so wee come to that to the which the best approved amōgst you have had no word of annswere hetherto wee knowe you cā say nothinge for it holding your rule of Successiō according to your course and proportion except you wil be so very vnadvised as to hold proportion in one thinge no proportiō in another and this that wee intend to speake of is your ministry How come you to raise a ministry where is your particuler example your rule is that Elders must make Elders and none but Elders must administer in the holie thinges You raise baptisme after Iohns examples but how will you do to ordeyne Elders seeing you have no such exāple when you have done what device will you have to keepe this auctoritie to your selves This is your ground for your Succession as all had baptisme from Iohn the first baptizer so all must have baptisme from your first baptizer As all Churches proceeded from the first Church at Ierusalem so all Churches must proceeded from Ierusalem your first Church As Elders proceeded by ordination from the first Elders so all Elders must proceed by ordination from your first Elders heere is your proportion But how came your Elders by their ordination did they ordeyne themselves where is your example and proportion for that Did the Church ordeyne them then your proportion is gone for the first Elders were not so ordeyned Thus are you overtaken in your ground not seeing whether it ledd you Forsake it it shal be no disgrace for you to forsake error you shall therein shewe the true grace of God to be in you in denying your selves and your owne waies and advancing the way of the Lord. Hold you to the perfect rule that all gaynsaiers are not able to withstand which was given by the law giver and that is VVhere two or three are gathered together into my name there am I in the midst of them and whatsoever they bind on earth shal be bound in heaven and what soever they loose on earth shal be loosed in heaven Mat. 18.20.18 And 1. Cor. 3.16.21.22 Knowe you not that yee are the Temple of god Lett no mā reioyce in men for all thinges are yours and 2. Cor. 6.15.16.17.18 what Cōcord hath Christ with Be●all or what part hath the beleever with the infidell and what agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols wherefore come out from amongst them and seperate yourselves saith the Lord touch none vncleane thinge I will receive you I wil be a father vnto you and you shal be my sonnes and daughters saith the Lord almightie These three places of scripture proves thus much First that wheresoever two or three are gathered together in Christs name Christ is in the midst of them and they have power to bind and loose which is to receive in cast out to appoint Officers and to discharge and to administer in all the holy thinges for haveing Christ they have wi●h him all thinges also Rom. 8.32 Christs power cannot be devided from him therefore where he is his power must needs be he is a kinge where he is he gives power to his servants to serve him in all his ordinances The second place alleged confirmes this where it is said Let no man reioyce in men for all thinges are yours and in the 5. vers of this 1. Co● 3. saith The Appostle who is Paul and who is Appollos but the ministers by whome ye beleeved sheweing that the Cornithians were not the Temple of God neither had interest vnto all thinges because of their persons but because they beleeved their doctrine And wheresoever a compaine of men now shall beleeve their doctrine even they are the Temple of god and all thinges are theirs aswell as all thinges were the Corinthians The third place ●ore alleged proves who they are that Christ hath promissed to be in the midst of that is those that seperate themselves from Behall which are men without a yock from vnbeleevers from Idolls and which touch no vncleane thinge these are they that God will receive and amonge whome he will dwell walke and he wil be their God and father they shal be his people children they shall not need to respect the persons of men as hath bene shewed for by the free gift of Gods grace through their faith in Christ all thinges are thens Will anie men not withstanding all this say that anie people or congregation seperated from all vncleannes may not enioy Christ and all the holy ordinances without they be admitted there vnto by other ●en Did Th-appostle Paule disclayme both for himself and Cephas Appollos from all previlige vnto their persons teach the corinthians that their persons gave not them interest vnto the holie things but their doctrine through their owne faith and dare anie challenge previlege vnto their persons so take away the the aucthoritie of Th-appostles doctrine ministerie that is still in as good force aucthoritie as ever in the scriptures And by whose ministerie doctrine what people soever beleeves at this day all thinges are therin by faith in the scriptures not by Succession from men Heere wee desire that all men that have anie vprightnes of ●art would enter into a due consideration of the depth of 〈◊〉 error of Succession from or by the persons of men And through gods assistance wee will endeavour to speake what wee are able for the discoverie of this error which is so great dangerous of the sharpe bitter fruites whereof wee have deepely taisted our vvounds are yet fresh greene but not vvithstanding by the grace of God vvee vvill not be provoked to speake beyond the bounds of sobriet●e herein and to proceed herein by the most easie plaine and evident vvay to our best vnderstandings VVee intreat you and all men vvith all holy

heaven for in heaven there is no imperfection not imperfect thinge And wee demaunde can heavenly bodies be weary can they be hungrie can they be trobled and their soules be in heavines or are they weake and mortall then is there miserie in heaven which cannot be Therefore it is to be concluded never to be denyed by anie that have Grace that Christ brought not his Flesh from heaven in that there was infirmitie and weakenes which is imperfection in his Flesh And heere haveing so fitt occasion let us pe●e a word by the way to them in whose sinne death hell hath consented which say that God was turned into or made Flesh How could God be made weake Flesh whch was full of infirmities as hath bene shewed by the scriptures Christs Flesh was And whereas some of these say that all that Christ suffered and did in the Flesh was but in shewe it shal be unto them according to their faith if they repent not for they shall have a Saviour but in shewe and though the wilfull perverse stiffnes of these mē promi●se littile hope yet let us say what by the Grace of God wee are anie way able if wee might by our best endeavours stopp men from runing so violently to condem●●●ion in this accursed iudgment that they hold which say all that Christ suffered and did heare upon earth was but in shewe And for this purpose wee will commend the godly disposed Reader unto the xv th Chap. of the first to the Corinths where Thappostle declares unto them againe the Gospell which he had formerly preached and which they had received and whereby they were saved except they had beleeued in vaine And he sheweth that first of all he had delivered unto them that Christ died for their sinnes and that he was buried rose again the third day So wee preach ad so have you beleved saith Thapostl not with standing a●l this some Corinthians were fallen to say that there was no resurerection of the dead with whome Thappostle because he knewe that they had recevid and beleeved that Christ died and was raised againe reasoneth thus If there be no resurrection of the dead then is Chrst not risen and if Christ be not risen then is our preaching vaine and your faith is also vaine and wee are found also false witnesses of God for wee have testified of God that he hath raised up Christ whome he hath not raised up if so be the dead be not raised Ior if the dead be not raised then is Christ not raised and if Christ be not raised your faith is vaine ye are yet in your sinnes and they that are a sleepe in Christ are perished and if in this life onely wee have hope in Christ wee are of all men most miserable The Appostle by these undenyable arguments and reasons proves Christs death and resurrection First that Christ died ver 3. And for profe of that he takes the testimony of the scriptures and by the same profe and warrant he proves that ●e was buried and ros againe and for further confirmation of his being raised from the dead Thappostle produceth the witnes and testimony of Cephas saw him and of the twelve and he was seene of more then fyve hundreth brethren at once and after of Iames Then of all the Appostles and l●st of all of himself and he addeth for further proofe hereof their preaching so wee preach saith Thappostle and he appealeth unto their owne consciences for this truth of Christs death and resurrection in saying unto them so have you beleeved Heare Thappostle that they might be brought to the sight of the depth of the iniquitie of this their error declares unto them what doth necessarily followe if there be no resurrection and so Ch●ist be not raised from the dead And first concerning us saith Thappostle you that say there is no resurrection and so that Christ is not risen From the dead this followeth you make all our preaching vaine and so are wee preachers of vanie thinges And you make us also false witnesses of God for wee have testified of God that he hath rased up Christ from the dead and this reproach do you cast upon us And upon your selves this evill do you b●ing in saing there is no resurrection and so that Christ is not risen From the dead your owne faith is in vaine you have a vaine faith and you are yet in your sinnes all your sinnes rest upon you further more by his your saying you bring this iudgment upon all that are dead in Christ that they are all perished and all the faith full in Christ that are leveing you make them of all men most miserable And haveing thus layde before them all the evill of this there saying there is no resurrection he concludes but now is Christ risen from the dead and was made the First fruits of them that sleepe To turne all this evill that Thappostle hath Heere shewed unto the Corinthians that said there was no resurrection where by it followed that Christ was not risen upon all those that say Christ died but in shewe and so died not at all in truth it is most plaine that all this evill comes upon their heads for in that they say Christ died but in shewe they must needs say he did rise againe but in shewe and so was there no resurrection in truth And here do they most miserable men that they are all make Thappostles preaching most vaine for then are they preachers of vanities and shadowes if Christ be dead but in shewe so do they make them false witnesses of God for they have testified of God that he rasied up Christ from the dead whome he hath not raised up if so it be he died not Then is the faith of the faith full in vaine and their sinnes are yet them if Christ be not dead and risen againe then are all that are a sleepe in Christ perished and all the faithfull liveing are of all men most miserable But we conclude against them all that say Christ died but in shew with the same words that the Apostle concludes against the Corinthians But now Christ died and is risen againe from the dead and was made the first fruts of them that slept And therefore Thappostles preachinges are not vaine neither are they false witnesses of God And the faith of the faithfull is not in vaine neither are any parte of there sinnes abidinge or remayning yet vpon them And the faithfull that are a sleepe are not perished neither are the faithfull in this life of all men most miserable But all this is their portion that say Christ died but in shewe which is not at all their preaching is vaine and they are preachers of most vaine thinges And they are false witnesses of God in that they testifie that Christ died not and so that God raised him not vp from the dead their faith is vaine and they are yet in their sinnes and all that are dead in this