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A39994 The differences of the time, in three dialogues the first, anent episcopacy, the second, anent the obligation of the covenants against episcopacy, the third, anent separation : intended for the quieting the minds of people, and settling them in more peace and unity. Forrester, David, fl. 1679. 1679 (1679) Wing F1589; ESTC R10780 86,473 238

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