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A36832 The conformity of the discipline and government of those who are commonly called independants to that of the ancient primitive Christians by Lewis Du Moulin. Du Moulin, Lewis, 1606-1680. 1680 (1680) Wing D2533; ESTC R25012 54,163 74

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impressions of the goodness of the Congregational way in the minds of men than would that of a Divine of a Minister of the Gospel or any other person ingaged by profession either to the Episcopal Presbyterian or even to the Congregational way As Reason and Grace in the hopes of glory are the three Ressorts or principles which have alwayes moved and governed me in all the course of my life and in all my Writings so have they been always less violent by the prejudices and interests in the profession I make of a Physician than if I had been either a Divine or a Lawyer I ought here also to acknowledg my Obligation to the Bishop of Condom not only for the first hints of this truth that the Congregational way is of all the Establishments of Discipline and Government the most conformable to reason to the holy Scripture and to the practise of the Apostles and the Primitive Christians but for having absolutely confirmed me in this truth though the design of that Bishop has not been to put the Congregational way above the Romish but only to discover and this he hath done by Arguments that come very near to demonstration that going upon the hypothesis of the necessity of seting up a Tribunal in the Church and of the submission of the people to that Tribunal as being the only Rampi●r of the Orthodox Faith and the only means of Uniting Christians preserving peace and good order among them it is incomparably more reasonable that such submission should be made to an infallible Tribunal than to One that is subject to Error and that upon this ground of all the Ecclesiastical ways in the World which acknowledg that every Ecclesiastical Tribunal either supreme or subordinate that every Councel either Oecumenical or Topical is fallible and subject to errour the Congregational way which refuses all manner of submission to a Tribunal subject to errour is the most reasonable and the most just CHAP. XIII The Explication of one difficulty which runs throughout the whole precedent discourse AS it was in my thoughts to finish this discourse by the word Finis a Learned Presbyterian coming in and having apprehended my design put one objection to me against the defeat and overthrow I pretend to make of the necessity of a Tribunal in the Church he said that since that Tribunal which requires the people to submit themselves to it is as much set up in an independant Church as in a National and since both presuppose that that Tribunal is subject to errour the submission of the people is altogether as reasonable to the Tribunal of a National Church as to that of a Congregational I confess there is some weight in this objection which Monsieur Jurieu has not thought of but which nevertheless is easie to be answered according to the principles I lay down 1. THAT all manner of Government Presbyterian Congregational National Episcopal Hierarchical Papal is of the same nature with that of the Magistrate 2. THAT the submission required and given to all manner of Ecclesiastical Government is of the same nature with that which is required and given to a Civil and Political government the Ressorts of which are not the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven nor the power of binding and loosing but the will of the strongest and most numerous that hath so ordain'd it 3. AND consequently that the Censures of excommunication and deposition being of the same nature with the Law of the Magistrate the validity of which is not in the Justice nor equity of the thing but in the will of those that decree and ordain it they ought to be accounted as a Civil punishment THESE three considerations destroy that erection of an Ecclesiastical Tribunal which is equal with the Civil in one and the same Territory since both being of the same nature it would be a pure piece of Gallimaufrey and hotchpot to offer to establish two Civil Governments in one and the same dominion or Territory which should be independant one on the other ALSO this difficulty is easie to be overcome according to the principles of the Independants The Inconvenience of an Excommunicated or deposed person unjustly by his Congregation is not great so long as it does not extend beyond his Jurisdiction and that of a hundred Congregations in one Territory it is impossible but that at least there might be one to recompence the Justice of his cause which is not a thing feasible if he be struck by a National Judgement unless he leaves his Country And since the person oppressed is in the liberty of framing to himself a Congregation Independant on all the Churches of the world though it be but of seven or eight persons his innocence and legitimate right will easily furnish him with the means to do it I add further that a person who is sensible he is guilty of disorders can easily conceal them in the crowd of a National Church which he cannot so well do in a small number of persons and commonly prevent the Censure of his Congregation and not expect that they should excommunicate him and drive him out of it which is done in that manner as St. Jerome and Bishop Godeau would have the Heretick of whom S. Paul speaks in the 3 of Titus 11. knowing that he that is such i. e. an Heretick is subverted and sinneth being condemned of himself To do when he excommunicated himself and saved his Church that trouble IT must not be forgot that tho there is no Government so perfect wherein one cannot find some faults and some Inconvenience yet it is certain there is found less in the Congregational way whereas you may find almost an infinity in that of the National whereof a thousand persons that deserve the censure of the Church there is not one of them that undergoes its because its discipline is like to spiders Webs where the Fly 's are taken but the Birds pass through and where it is impossible in a Town or a Church of many thousands of Christians that one Bishop or Pastor can possibly have an exact inspection over them whereas in a Congregational Church composed but of a few persons and those all cull'd out of the multitude who fun after Vanitics and Vices one has but little or no use of excommunication and deposition and where Avarice Ambition Heresies and quarrels do not enter as in National Churches THESE considerations give me to hope that the learned and illuminated of the Congregational way will agree and joyn with my principles or Hypotheses to establish the true nature of their Jurisdiction and to undo with case the difficulty of the objection although according to their principles it resembles the Foils which touch the person but do not wound it For in case of a wound they have a thousand remedies to heal it presently whereas there is no remedy either against Infallibity in the Church of Rome or against incontestability in a National Church CHAP.
that their spirit was not that of contention nor animosity one against another but of peace and concord IF the Book of that excellent Author Eutychius the Patriarch of Alexandria had appeared with all its Truths and had been seen by all those that had eyes and would use them during the lives of Monsieur Salmasius Monsieur Blundel c. they had been yet more strongly perswaded than they were that all those circumstances so distant from the relation that Eutychius makes of them savours as much of Romance as those three Crosses which Helena Mother of Constantine found or as the donation of that Emperour to Silvester CERTAINLY the providence of God did clearly appear in the choise of those three hundred and eighteen Bishops 'T was an Act of God and not man when he raised up the good Bishop of Alexandria to recommend them to Constantine and when he inclined the heart of that Prince to hearken to his Counsel For if the Emperour had let himself been overruled at the beginning of that Counsel by any other Bishop as he did at the end of his Life the first Establishment of Faith and Religion had been that of Arrianisme whereas the orthodox Faith taking the first possession under the first Christian Emperour this served most powerfully to gain it credit and to make it pass and transmit it to posterity I would ask here by the way those that deprive the Soveraign Magistrate of the Intendance of regulating by a Soveraign Authority in all places either of an Empire or a Territory the matters of Religion and give him no other Authority than that of a private person I would ask those I say what expedient a good Bishop such as this of Alexandria could be able to find out to authorize the Faith that was contrary to that of Arrius in case God had not inclined the heart of Constantine to establish it by his commands in all the places of his Empire I ought not to forget here one circumstance in our Author that extreamly fortifies the right of the Magistrate especially if he be Orthodox to the Soveraign Intendance in the Government of the Church and which moreover strongly proves that the Rules Canons Censures and Anathemas of Councils are only Councils and the declarations of wise and experienced men before the Magistrate hath given them Authority by his Sanction In short this passage of Eutychius is the accomplishment of the prophesie of S. Paul 1 Cor. 6. 2. Know you not that the Saints shall judge the World that is to say know you not that God will one day establish Faithful Magistrates who shall be governours in chief of the Church he says than that the choice of three hundred and eighteen Bishops being made Constantine entred into their Assembly and after he had saluted and harrangued to them he laid his Scepter upon the Table his Ring and his sword and said to them I give you the power of regulating the affairs of the Church that done the Fathers humbly thanked him for the Authority which he was pleased to fortifie them with and rendered him his Scepter his Ring and his Sword 'T IS true if Constantine had been an Arrian his erronious opinion had done as much mischief as the contrary opinion to that of Arrius and wherewith he was possessed did good by its Establishment but it is true also that if the Soveraign of an Empire hath no other authority in the Church than that of a private person it will never be possible and it can never happen that an Orthodox Prince will be able to establish the true Religion by his Commandments in all the places of his Empire 'T is true by this Soveraign Authority of the Magistrate Errour and Impiety may as well be established by Lawes as truth and piety but it is true also that when the Soveraign Magistrate either hath no part nor is interessed in the affairs of Religion as during the three first Ages of the Church nothing could keep the Bishops as were those two thousand and forty eight of whom Eutychius speaks from divinding into many erronious parties and the Orthodox party to be always the least in number and this cannot happen when God gives to the Church such Princes as resemble Constantine the Great Theodosius and Martian IT happens notwithstanding that during such disorders and such confusions of diverse opinions as were those of the two thousand and forty that God reserves always a small number of good Pastors as were those three hundred and eighteen who form in a great Empire such as was the Roman several little Congregations all like to those of our Independants whom God makes use of amidst the greater corruption and confusion to keep and perpetuate to himself an Orthodox and faithful people in the world 'T IS true then that whither God gives a Christian Magistrate but a Heretick or whether he does not give any if he be not possibly a Heathen as during the three first Ages the inconvenience is great but it is otherwise certain that when God blesses his Church with a Magistrate that favours the Orthodox and true Worshippers of Jesus Christ the condition of the Church of God is incomparably more happy than under any other establishment of Religion or of the State For although persecution ought to unite Christians by a holy and the same Faith and by a life correspondent to it yet it hath not that Efficacy nor that vertue to produce those two good effects which commonly follow under the Reign of good Princes as David Hezekiah Josiah Constantine Theodosius c. under whom the people are united well otherwise and kept in good order and in the profession of one and the same and a good Religion which they are not under persecution For even the Church is not without disorders and violent shakings under the best and most Orthodox Princes which happens by their Indulgence who keep not up that Authority they ought to take in the government of the Church and who delegate it to the Clergy and permit them to exercise by a pretended power derived from Jesus Christ Independant on the Magistrate and who in short raise up Bishops to such a greatness and wealth as to have credit enough to partake and share the Soveraignty and to dispute the moiety of it with him who of right is the Soveraign of the whole leaving him the temporal Soveraignty and reserving to themselves the spiritual as they call it BUT these matters I discourse of in my Book not yet Printed intituled An Essay towards a true Ecclesiastical History One Theophilus of Alexandria and his Successor Cyrillus were equal and went check by jole in Authority with the Emperour and had built an Empire in that of their Soveraign For even those and their Successours had built several of them when a Pope was set up among them who subjugated them all and made them all agree to set up but one Catholick Church for before there were in
Omnipotentiam non credunt 'T IS true they are accused for depriving the Magistrate from the same Authority and Soveraign Intendence over the Ecclesiastical State as over that of the Civil But notwithstanding they do sufficiently satisfy all reasonable and considerate persons of this in the four and twentieth Chapter of their Confession Beside those who condemn that collaterality of Governments and of Tribunals the one Ecclesiastical and the other Civil in one and the same territory and who believe that it comes from the forge of Antichrist and that it hath introduced Popery into the world do not trouble themselves about resolving the difficulty nor about assigning to each his Lawes his Courts his Officers his Soveraign and the measure of his Power and Authority I add that as the force and efficacy of Laws does not consist in whither they are Ecclesiastical or Civil nor in their goodness justice and truth but in the will of him or those who sit at the Helm of Affairs the Congregational Churches must of necessity acknowledg the force of all those Laws whither for the Ecclesiastical or the Civil State only they affirm that as the Magistrate is not Infallible he may possibly abuse his right and orr either in the publication or the execution of his Laws of what Nature soever they be and as they are not obliged to obey all Civil Laws no more are they obliged to obey all Laws Ecclesiastical they affirm also that as the Empire of Jesus Christ in matters of Religion is not over the bodies but over the hearts of men the Magistrate who is the Protector and Defender of the visible Church of Jesus Christ in his Territories sins extremely when he makes Laws and Ordinances that do violence to the bodies of his Subjects and that take from them that liberty which every man ought to have in the choice of his Religion and in the manner of serving God BUT that crime which is imposed on them supposing it to be one is incomparably less than that of Presbyterian Churches all which follow the establishment and the practise of Calvin who set up in Geneva an Ecclesiastical Tribunal Independant and distinct from that of the Magistrate insomuch that a learned man named Monsieur Jurieu has writ a large Book wherein he endeavours to prove that the Soveraign Magistrate considered as such has not any jurisdiction nor Intendence over the Collected Churches in his Dominions and that he hath no other right than that of Inspection and considered as a Christian and one of his principal Members wherein Monsieur Jurieu is more Independant than the Independants themselves and he does not afford so much Authority to the Magistrate over the Churches that are collected within his Territories and Dominions as the Independants do THE Independant Churches and their Pastors are very wide from these thoughts and practises For the Authority of every Congregation being as that of every Family what liberty soever it has to govern it self according to its own way and humour it is not neither in right nor in power nor even in will to set up a Tribunal distinct from and Independent on that of the Magistrate AFTER all a Prince who should endeavour to establish an Arbitrary Power in his Kingdom that should depend only upon God and his Sword might imagine he should be less hindred by several thousands of Independant Congregations not only on him and on his Courts but also the one Independant on the other than by one entire body of all those Churches which should set up by their deputies an Ecclesiastical Tribunal distinct from and Independant on the Civil For the strengeh of all those Independant Congregations would be like that of several threads which may easily be broke one after another whereas the strength of all those Churches joyned in one body would be like to that of all those threads twisted together which it would be almost if not absolutely impossible to break or to undo but by the same way that Alexander took to break the Gordian-knot AS the Independent Churches do come the nearest to those of the Apostles so likewise they are further off than any of the other reformed Churches from that thought and practise which has accomplished the Mystery of Inquity which is nothing else but the Empire of the Clergy and so consequently That of the Pope in the Empire of the secular Powers under the Mask and Disguise of Religion and Ecclesiastical power AS to the Objection that is made against them that in case there should be no other Ecclesiastical Establishment in a Kingdom than theirs the three fourths of the Inhabitants would live in great negligence and a gross Ignorance of Religion To that they say that their way does not exempt Pastors from attending upon the Office of their Ministry at all times and places both within and without their particular Congregations and to take the same pains as the Presbyterian Ministers do for what repects the preaching of the word in the most publick places also they do very much approve that the Magistrate should erect Academies and Colledges assign Tithes and Revenues and Temples establish persons to be imployed in the instruction of people in publick to invite them to it and to excite the Ignorant to frequent the Schools and the Lectures of the Professors of Arts and Sciences where they should go for the love of vertue and knowledge without being constrained AS to the crime of Schism which is imposed on them as their being seperate from all the visible Churches of Jesus Christ in the same manner as the Donatists the Novatians and the Luciferians did 't is a false Accu sation Those who accuse them of Schism do not understand the nature of Schism 1. 'T IS not Schism when a particular Church separates from another Church as the Church of Luther from that of Calvin nor the Protestants from the Papists nor even one particular reformed Church from some other with which it made before but one body of a Church But true Schism is formed among the Members of one and the same particular Church as was that of Corinth 2. 'T IS not Schism when a number of Hereticks separate from the Orthodox party of a particular Church to make a Congregation apart to the end they may profess their heresie with greater liberty but it is an Apostasie and an abandoning and forsaking of the Orthodox faith or Church of Jesus Christ which is Catholick and visible and upon this ground the Church of Rome is not a Schismatical but an Apostate Church although it be one for the first reason because that what ingagement or tye soever all its Members have to one head however they are not all agreed together Schism properly is when the Members of one Church are at variance as were those of the Church of Corinth and upon that account there is alwayes a Schism in the Romish Church 3. THERE is no Schism among several particular Churches that
same Ecclesiastical Governnours and to be obedient to their Laws their Commands and their Censures 6. THAT to compass this Union every party of different perswasion and Judgement in matters of Faith and Discipline ought to abate something of their rigour and their right and come one part of the way to a Reconciliation that is to say that every party ought to recover an insidious peace to abandon the truth he believes he has on his side or to enervate the force of it THESE maxims which are those of Rome have been and will be the cause why there will never be in the World neither Church nor Reformation without some mixture of corruption The Felicity of being freed from these is only to be found in the Independant Church ABOVE all they find the 5 th maxim to be unreasonable wicked and tyrannical● principally when they press to an Uniformity of Discipline all the Inhabitants of a Territory or Kingdom under one and the same Soveraign about which both the greatest number of people and the most illuminated are divided and do not find one clear constant and perpetual truth in the Sacred Scriptures to press the Uniformity of it nor the necessity of that way that they find as to what concerns Faith Theodosius the II. had his reason better grounded when he commanded all his Subjects to believe according to the Faith of Damasus of Rome and Peter of Alexandria then if he had commanded them an Uniformity in Discipline which he did not do and which he could not execute For he could not be ignorant that as there was but one Faith to which every faithful soul ought to adhere and to be verily perswaded that his was the true it was not without reason that he rather commanded the belief of that Faith than the practise of a discipline since that the one was expresly laid down in the holy Scripture and the other was not 'T IS after this manner the Independant Churches argue They believe with Theodosius that the Subjects of an Empire are obliged to embrace the same Faith supposing it be that of Jesus Christ but they are not obliged to practise one certain discipline which is not found in the holy Scripture THE first maxim was that of Dioclesian who alone did shed more Christian bloud than his Predecessors all together had done It cannot be practised without Fire and Sword and it is as full of Impiety and of Paganism as Excommunication Titus Livius lib. 39. tit 9 puts among the Roman Laws Ne qui Romani Dei neque alio more quam patrio colerentur ne quis in publico sacrove loco novo aut externo ritu sacrificaret The Scythians caused Anacharsis to be put to death for having a Worship a part which he had learnt in Greece And Mecaenas exhorted Augustus to punish those who would not conform themselves to the Religion of the Countrey Dio. lib. 52 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 BUT yet this maxim was not so much practised when the Government was more popular and when Altars were erected to strange Gods and to some unknown for after they had subdued Nations they also brought their Gods in triumph I met with the Defeat and overthrow of the fifth maxim in a discourse at the beginning of a Treatise of that excellent Knight to whom I Dedicated my Fasciculus as an Answer to some questions that were put to him by thoughts much agreeing with mine before ever we had any communication of them together which he also confirms by those of a Learned Divine whose name is Chillingworth and whose Authority is so much the more considerable and weighty as being a Church of England man There are say they but two wayes to make all Christians to enter into one and the same communion either in taking away the diversity of Opinions that divide them which is impossible without a Miracle and unless God had established and set up a visible Judge to whom their differences should be referred or else being all perswaded that this diversity of Opinions ought not to hinder their communion and their Union in things wherein they do agree and where charity complaisance and condescention ought to have place without any ones being deprived of their Opinion or that one should persecute the other that differs from his DOCTOR Jeremy Tailor who was a strong man for the English Hierarchy by reason whereof he was made a Bishop in Ireland and who was extroardinarily illuminated and Learned agreed in the same Sentiment with Dr. Chillingworth and hath published a great Book whose Title is the Liberty of Prophecying against the wicked and unreasonable carriage of those who rigorously impose set Forms of Faith to others and who Persecute and ill-use those who are not of their Opinion in matters of Religion ALSO the Independants have indeavoured not so much to establish the goodness of the Congregational way in sound clear minds because they are soon convinced of it by the description they make of it as to disabuse them of those maxims which are but so many illusions though most commonly it is easier to refute Errours than to establish Truth as Cicero very well says Vtinam tàm facile possem vera probare quàm falsa convincere NOW the tyranny of these maxims which are as much that of the Protestants as of the Papists is the cause why the transition of the Romish Religion to the reformed is but imperfectly done in France Germany England and elsewhere how little complaisance soever we have had for Rome and for an affinity with her it has cost us very dear we have thought we ought not to go from one extremity to another at one leap As we fell from the Impanation to Transubstantiation so likewise have we gone from Transubstantiation to Consubstantiation its Neighbour then we have retained the real presence in the Sacramental Supper which has some agreement and is conciliable with those three illusions of words 'T is said indeed that this presence was spiritual but at the same time it was clothed with the flesh when they kept at the beginning of the reformation such wayes of expressing themselves which have been a great Shock to Bullinger and many other great men of his time That we were nourished in this Sacrament with the substance of the flesh and with the blood of Jesus Christ Which has given occasion to the Bishop of Candom to Mounsieur Arnauld and to Father Maimbourge to put this Interrogatory to us if you speak as we do why do you not believe as we do Especially the Bishop of Condom has made use of it and they have given him reason to triumph over us as much in that as he hath done as to the eminent Authority that is established in our Churches with as much incontestability as if it were Infallible The Missionary Pean sayes that it is a Gallimauphrey of the Protestants to speak of being nourished with the substance of Jesus Christ and with his flesh and