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1_o joh._n 1.1_o 3._o mark_v 16.14_o §._o 2._o p._n 1._o p._n 2._o §._o 3._o p._n 2._o p._n 2._o sect_n 2._o p._n 3._o sect_n 3._o n._n 2._o page_z 3_o §._o 4._o navigare_fw-la audent_fw-la ad_fw-la petri_n cathedram_fw-la &_o ecclesiam_fw-la principalem_fw-la etc._n etc._n nec_fw-la cogitare_fw-la eos_fw-la esse_fw-la romanos_fw-la ad_fw-la quos_fw-la pâ—rfidea_n habere_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la accessum_fw-la cypr._n l._n 1._o c._n 3._o scito_fw-la romanam_fw-la fidem_fw-la ejusmodi_fw-la praestigias_fw-la non_fw-la recipere_fw-la hierony_n apol._n 3._o c._n ruff._n roma_fw-it semper_fw-la fidem_fw-la retinet_fw-la greg._n nazianz._n carm_n de_fw-fr vitâ_fw-la suâ_fw-la bellarm._n de_fw-fr pontifice_fw-la rom._n l._n 4._o c._n 4._o sect_n 1._o pag._n 4._o §._o 5._o p._n 21._o sect_n 4._o p._n 5._o n._n 4._o p._n 25._o n._n 17._o sect_n 5._o §._o 6._o p._n 6._o n._n 4._o §._o 7._o joh._n 15.26_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n athanas._n ep_n ad_fw-la sâ—rapion_n p._n 357._o tom._n 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d basil._n de_n spir._n sancto_n c._n 18._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n greg._n nazian_n orat_fw-la 37._o p._n 597._o tom._n 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d orat._n 23._o tom._n 1_o p._n 426_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d cyril_n paschal_n 12._o tom._n 5._o p_o 2._o dogm_n theol._n de_fw-fr trinit_fw-la l._n 7._o c._n 13_o 14_o tom._n 2_o §._o 8._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d athanas._n c._n serapi_n ubi_fw-la supr_n acta_fw-la theolog._n wirtenberg_n p._n 217._o etc._n etc._n res._n 2._o patriarch_n council_n florent_fw-la sess_v 19_o 20_o 21_o etc._n etc._n arcudii_fw-la opuscula_fw-la aurea_fw-la v._o ep_n cyrilli_n patriarch_n ad_fw-la joh._n utenbogard_a inter_fw-la epistol_n remonstrant_fw-la p._n 402._o v._o lâ—onis_n allatii_n graeciam_fw-la orthodox_n tom._n 2._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d athanas._o ep_a ad_fw-la epictet_n tom_n 1._o p._n 562._o greg._n nazian_n ep_n 2._o ad_fw-la clad_v council_n ephes._n part_n 2._o act._n 6._o p._n 357._o tom._n 2._o binii_n ed._n paris_n 1636._o council_n florent_fw-la sess_v 5._o p._n 587._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d council_n ephes._n part_v 2._o act._n 6._o p._n 366._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d council_n chalced._n act._n 5._o council_n florent_fw-la asâ—_n 5._o p._n 590._o §._o 9_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d cyril_n alexan._n tom._n 6._o edit_n paris_n p._n 229._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d acta_fw-la theolog._n wirtenberg_n resp._n 2._o patriarch_n p._n 202._o gregorius_n palamas_n c._n 1._o apud_fw-la petavium_n dogmat._n theolog_fw-la de_fw-fr trin._n to._n 2._o l._n 7._o c._n 18._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sess._n 19_o ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la spalaten_v de_fw-fr rep._n eccles._n tom._n 3._o l._n 7._o c._n 10._o sect_n 125._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apud_fw-la acta_fw-la council_n ephes._n part_n 2._o act._n 6._o p_o 360._o petau._n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la acta_fw-la theolog._n wirtenb_n p._n 350._o etc._n etc._n resp._n 3_o patriarch_n cyril_n ep_n ad_fw-la utenbogard_a p._n 403._o §._o 10._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d theodoret_n c._n cyril_n anathemat_fw-la tom._n 4._o p._n 718._o ed._n sirmond_n council_n ephes._n part_n 3·_fw-la p._n 497._o ed._n bin._n cyril_n tom._n 6._o p._n 229._o dogmat._v theol._n to._n 2._o l._n 7._o c._n 18._o c._n 1._o council_n ephes._n part._n 2._o act._n 1._o p._n 177._o part_n 3._o p._n 596._o part._n 3._o p._n 581._o §._o 11._o council_n florenâ—_n sess_v 5._o p._n 593._o pithaeus_n opus_n de_fw-fr process_n s.s._n p._n 26._o petau._n dogm_n theol._n to._n 2._o l._n 7._o c._n 1._o baron_fw-fr annal._n ad_fw-la an._n 809._o sirmond_n council_n gallic_n tom._n 2._o p._n 256_o 257._o quisquis_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la sensu_fw-la subtiliori_fw-la pertingere_fw-la potest_fw-la &_o id_fw-la scire_fw-la aut_fw-la ita_fw-la sciens_fw-la credere_fw-la noluerit_fw-la salvus_fw-la esse_fw-la non_fw-la poterit_fw-la sunt_fw-la enim_fw-la multa_fw-la è_fw-la quibus_fw-la istud_fw-la unum_fw-la est_fw-la sacrae_fw-la fidei_fw-la altiora_fw-la mysteria_fw-la ad_fw-la quorum_fw-la indagationem_fw-la pertingere_fw-la multi_fw-la valent_fw-la multi_fw-la verò_fw-la aut_fw-la aetatis_fw-la quantitate_fw-la aut_fw-la intelligentiae_fw-la qualitate_fw-la praepediti_fw-la non_fw-la valent_fw-la &_o ideò_fw-la ut_fw-la praediximus_fw-la qui_fw-la potuerit_fw-la &_o noluerit_fw-la salvus_fw-la esse_fw-la non_fw-la potuerit_fw-la apud_fw-la sirmond_n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la §._o 12._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d photius_n ep_n 7._o p._n 51._o opuscul_fw-la edit_fw-la lutet_fw-la 1609._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d acta_fw-la theolog._n wirtenberg_n resp._n 2._o patriarch_n p._n 213_o 214._o §._o 13._o sylvester_n sguropul_n histor._n council_n florent_fw-la sect_n 2._o c._n 10._o sect._n 2._o c._n 12._o c._n 17_o 18._o sect._n 6._o c._n 1._o sect._n 3._o c._n 12._o sect._n 3._o c._n 3._o c._n 4._o cap._n 12._o c._n 11._o c._n 15._o sect._n 6._o c._n 3._o sect._n 8._o c._n 12._o c._n 13._o c._n 14._o c_o 16._o c._n 18._o sect._n 9_o c._n 4._o c._n 5._o c._n 8._o c._n 9_o c._n 10._o sect._n 10._o c._n 1._o c._n 4._o §._o 14._o p._n 6._o sect._n 9_o n._n 1._o p._n 24._o §._o 15._o p._n 7._o n._n 5._o theophylact._n in_o joh._n 3.26_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d theophylact._n in_o joh._n 3._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d id._n ib._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d joh._n damascenus_n de_fw-fr trinit_fw-la c._n 8._o &_o l._n 1._o de_fw-la orthodoxa_fw-la fide_fw-la c._n 11._o acta_fw-la theolog._n wirteab_n p._n 220._o p._n 8._o sum._n 1._o q_o 36._o aâ—t_v 2._o vasquez_n in_o thoâ—_n to._n 2._o this_o 146._o c._n 7._o petavius_n dogm_n theol._n to._n 2._o l._n 7._o c._n 17._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d hist._n council_n florent_fw-la sect_n 8._o c._n 15._o p._n 239._o eadmer_n de_fw-fr vita_fw-la anselm_n l._n 2._o malmesbu_n de_fw-fr
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