John Hambleton Alexander Hambleton Barbara Hambleton Jennet Hambleton Andrew Hambleton Jane Hambleton Katherine Hart Katherine Hambleton John Allen Jane Hambleton William Hambleton Margaret Hambleton John Hart Jennet Atkin John Hart Alexander Hart Jane Hart Gawine Hart John Lacock Jennet Brown Thomas Craiqqe John Torrens Katherine Hambleton Katherine Weare Jennet Wear were excommunicated by Matthew Mackel and the rest of the Presbytery at Hambleton for these causes as followeth 1. Pr. You affirm that the Scriptures are not the word of God Ans The Scriptures are the words of God Christ is the Word and the Scriptures are not Christ 2. Pr. You affirm that there is no rule according to which a man should walk but the rule within him Ans The Spirit is the rule into all truth and not the Scripture it self Pr. 3. You affirm that every man hath a light sufficient to lead him to Christ within him Ans Yea 2 Cor. 4. the light that shines in his heart will give him the knowledge of the glory of God Pr. 4. You affirm that the Scriptures are not to be preached Ans That is false but they are not to be made a trade of by you Pr. 5. You affirm that there is no blessing pronounced to the preaching of the word Ans Not to you that make a trade of the words but they that preach the word has the blessing for Christ gives the wo to you Matth. 23. Pr. 6. You affirm that the Ministry is no standing Ordinance of Jesus Christ Ans VVe affirm that Christ must preach the Gospel but we deny you who preach for filthy lucre whose Ordination is by man and not by Christ Pr. 7 You affirm that no man that hath faith hath sin Ans VVe affirm that faith purifieth the heart and gives victory over sin which faith you say is not pure and curses them that says it is Pr. 8 You affirm that there is no external means to be followed in order to salvation Ans That which is the means to salvation is eternal Pr. 9. You affirm these to be Ministers of the man of sin and reprobates concerning the faith that sayes whilest a man is on the earth he cannot be set free from sin Ans We say yea we do so which is according to the Apostles Doctrine which says they were made free-from sin and they spake wisdome to them that were perfect and they were sanctified Pr. 10. You affirm no Sabbath Day to be observed Ans Neither do you your selves but what you invent and you do not keep that well neither but Christ the Sabbath we own Pr. 11. You are deserters of all publike Ordinances Ans The Ordinances of Christ we are not but mans Inventions we are Pr. 12. You rail against the Dispensers of publike Ordinances and those that countenance those Ordinances Ans Railing we deny but declaring against any invention of man we own and railing is your own for your Pulpits declares it that they should neither buy nor sell eat nor drink with them in the Nation These Accusations were Extracted and Subscribed by the Priests Clark in this manner following Mr. John Bonave And after the Priests had excommunicated the aforesaid persons they caused a general Synod to meet at Glasgow and made an Order and published it in all their Old Mass-Houses That none of those People called Quakers should have any entertainment and that no people should have any dealing with them in any civil affairs not to give cursed men work as they stiled our Friends and hindering men to work for them and that under the pain of Excommunication The extent of which Order is That they should neither buy nor sell eat nor drink with them in the Nation Peter Kid Priest of Dauglass summoned William Michell and Robert Todd to their Presbytery at Leanarick and when William Michel appeared before them him whom they called Moderator whose name is William Jack Priest of Carlook commanded him to take off his Bonnet and when he refused Richard Gollon Bayliff of the Town who sate amongst them to execute their malice rose up in rage and took it off his head and the Priests would not let him give it him again but keeps it still from him and he staying in Town all night and a friend of his called Richard Ray the Priest and Bayliff of the Town came about the tenth hour of the night to the Inne where they lay and charged the people of the house to put them out notwithstanding they kept one of their Bonnets and the night was very stormy Witnesses of this James White Agnas Forrest And here is the Priests fruits Peter Kidd summoned William Michell and Mary English to the quarter Sessions at Hambleton but did not appear to lay any thing to their Charge when they came back againe Mary English went to him and asked him why he summoned them and did not appear to make known what he had against them but he answered not one word but his wife and servants beat and abused her cruelly Here is your fruits again William Stockdale and John Boweran being moved of the Lord to declare the truth in the Market-place of Strahavan on a Market-day were cruelly abused and many times knockt down with staves and stones and violently drawn out of the town by the wicked people William Stockdale and John Gill with many others having a Meeting in the Grave-Yard in Strahavan on a Market-day a company of the Priests Hearers came and fell upon them with staves and stones and broke up the Meeting and stoned them above a quarter of a mile out of the Town insomuch that some blood was spilt and many was sore bruised Richard Ismead for bidding James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton prove himself a Minister of Christ was apprehended by the Bayliff and was imprisoned in the Tole-booth of Hambleton and after was scarryed to a Justices Court at Glasgow who commanded him to be set in the Stocks and a Gag put in his mouth and a Paper pinned on his Brest and made an Order for him to depart the Nation William Stockdale being moved of the Lord to go to the Steeple-house of Damanoy and as he stood in the Yard declaring the Truth and against their Idolatrous Worship the Priest came who did encourage the people to beat him whereupon some of his Elders and other wicked people violently knokt him down and set their feet upon him and plucked much hair off his head insomuch that some people cried he is kild and if the power of the Lord had not born him up which bears up the heads of his Lambs whom he sends forth in the midst of Wolves when they are persecuted he had died amongst them for he was not able to speak neither to rise a certain time after off the ground William Jack Priest of Carlook said to the people of Lismahagow in his preaching as followeth Beloved If you will contribute and some of you give a six pence and others a shilling that
Magistrates would grant them an order that none should receive them into their houses and that they might not have their liberty and their servants would be much refreshed who cry stone them let us have a Law against them and if the Laws were right they would chop off their heads and make them remove by club Law but how was these Priests the Magistrates servants at Dunbar Fight when they excommunicated and cursed their now being army and Magistracy but now they would be their servants if they would execute their wills upon the innocent Surely these things cannot but stinck to all Magistrates that feare God These are the servants and servers of the times that the Prophets calls inchanters Lev. 19.16 and for their own false ends ye can never read that the Apostles nor Christ did ever teach any such doctrine that the people should be stoned or have their heads choped off or driven away by clup Law which shewes you are Apostatates from the Apostacy and of the Jewish nature The Synod at Glasgow in the second moneth did ordain concerning these persons in Clidsdale formerly Excommunicated who are called Quakers that no other people in other parishes should bargain with them or suffer them to come within their houses or have entertainment for mony Upon which the people persecuted and stoned them haled them out of their houses in several places viz. Three of them people called Quakers were in the night time between the 10. and 11. hours drawn by force out of an Inne in the Town of New mills in Aire-shire and stoned out of the town into the Fields to shift for their lodging And others three severall times were beaten stoned and shamefully intreated and persecuted in Stravan And others at Lithmahaga And others shamefully abused in the Town of Kirkantillough And others stoned at Kilbride And others pitifully stoned beaten and abused and some blood shed at Glasford And at many other places much harme hath been done These be the Priests fruits the bloody Presbytery who would have them stoned and their heads chopped off some of the Magistrates did stop the people for abusing of them so that the Priests malice was not altogether satisfied Andrew Brown and John Lacock of Glasford were cast into prison for asking him a question when he was Catechising and admonished them when they were far absent and if they come before them they will cast them into prison this makes them peepers and mutterers to admonish them when they are not present and is this like to change them or do they intend to change them who admonish them when they are out of hearing and did Excommunicate them when they were in prison what an unhumanly part is this wicked develish envious and unchristian Ministry And John Hart went to a steeple house to here the Priests admonishment for the Priest said he would admonish him and he went to hear him and when he had admonished him he spake to him and bid him prove himself in the docrine of Christ and they who he admonished out of it and then give them a bill of divorsment but the Priests went to the Court and got a warrant from the Justice and so cast him into prison and when he was in prison Excommunicated him and said he disturbed him And here his devilish wicked art doctrine appears which shews him of Cains flock where is nothing but persecution murther and envious-slayers vagabonds cursed speakers that went on in the way of Balaam or Core that makes merchandize of the people through their covetousnesse and feigned words to the people And gives forth their Curses in their Congregations and all the people are to say Amen to them as followeth The Priests first Curse that all the people were to say Amen to Cursed be all they that say Grace is free and let all the people say Amen Answ ANd so they curse the Apostles and the Apostles doctrine and all that witnesse to it who said The free grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men Tit. 2.11 and was the Saints Teacher these things the Apostles commanded to teach with all authority Tit. 2.15 but the ungodly men turn this grace of God into wantonness of old ordained for condemnation Ye are the raging waves of the Sea sending and foming out your own shame whose fruits wither neglecting the common salvation read Jude Ye are like to Sodom and Egypt clouds without water who run greedily after the wages of Balaam going on the way of Cain and shall perish in the gain-saying of Core and walking despitefully against the spirit of grace and they that turn the grace of God into wantonness denies the Lord that bought them 2 Pet. 2. Jude 11. Ye are the trees without fruit wells without water carried about with tempests cursed speakers teaching the people to say Amen to your cursing the Apostles doctrine and so willingly ignorant that your damnation may be just that your madness and folly might appear to all and so sensual having not the spirit waves of the Sea wandring stars received for darkness of blackness read Jude The grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men Tit. 2.11 So that which brings salvation and hath appeared to all men ye curse that which is the grace of God which ye with your damnable doctrine and doctrine of Devils curse them that witness it 2 Pet. 2. 1 Tim. 4. upon whose consciences the hot Iron hath come hardned them that went to the doctrine of Devils went to them that did not hold forth the Saviour of all men but especiall them that beleeve 1 Tim. 4.10 These things command and teach let no man despise thy youth Now they that went to the doctrine of Devils from the Saviour of all men but especially them that believe and from the grace of God which hath appeared to all men which brings salvation are they which have turned the grace of God into wantonness ordained of old for condemnation which is the light Jude 4. Such be in Cains way from the command of God Cores way from the truth and Balaams way from the spirit those be the clouds and tempests upon whose heads comes the Woe The Priests second Curse which all the People were to say Amen to Cursed be all they that say the Scriptures is not the Word of God and let all the people say Amen Ans HEre they have cursed Luke who calls the Scripture a Declaration of the Word Luke 1.1 and Acts 1.1 where it is called a Treatise and they have cursed their own company who say the Scriptures signifies writings and they have cursed John who did not say the Scripture was the Word who said In the beginning was the Word Joh. 1.1 and the Scripture is words as Revel the last He that addeth to the words and Christ his name is called The Word of God Rev. 19.13 And the Scriptures are words not a word Exod. 20. and which words Christ
words 2 Tim. 3.5 and murthers them that enjoys their life and persecutes them The Devil abode not in the truth John 8.44 Adam and Eve abode not in the truth but transgressed Gen. 3. Cain abode not in the truth when he murdered Abel Gen. 4. The Jews abode not in the truth but crucified the just Jam. 5.6 The Antichrist and the false-Prophets since the daies of the Apostles and the Beast abode not in the truth 1 Iohn 2.19 that made the war against the Saints Rev. 13. And here is the murderers envious and persecutors warring and fighters and their sacrifice God never accepted Gen. 4.5 in all ages and these are them that persecuted those that was in the truth whose sacrifice God accepted to the witness of God in you all I speak that you may see your fall from the truth out of the Prophets life Christs life and the Apostles life so be out of the commands and fallen from God and say that none can keep the commandments that is the Word that shall stand for ever so ye are they that loves not not God Joh. 14.13 1 Joh. 2.4 but are of the Beast and false Prophets that makes war against them that keep the commands of God Rev. 22.11 so that which saith none can keep the Commandements is fallen out of the truth and the Commandments of God 1 Iohn 2.4 Ioh. 8.44 And to him the truth is death and the commands of God in which the Saints live to whom the Commandments are not grievous 1 Iohn 5.3 Thomas Garwine Priest of Edenborough his Doctrine and PRINCIPLES Pr. THat the Childe that is not sprinkled with outward water is in a damnable state and worse then an infidell Answ Now here he and the rest of the Presbyterian Priests of Scotland may say Abraham was in a damnable state Isaac was in adamnable state Jacob was in a damnable state and Joseph was in a damnable state and David was in a damnable state and John the Baptist was in a damnable state which were not sprinkled by a Priest with outward water nor named by the Priest so thou and you with your traditions that say a Child is in a damnable state if ye do not sprinkle it with water and the Apostle bids them not look at the things that are seen and you are in the damnable state and the damnable doctrine teachers of lies and many simple people have been deceived by you and given over to believe you but God hath taken the vail off their hearts that you begin to be seen and their salvation shall they know stands not in elements as though you with your sprinkling Infants with outward water could bring out of the damnable state Oh ye deceivers did not the Apostle say they that were Circumcised Christ profited them nothing Gal. 5.2 ye have long deceived people with your beggerly rudiments and elements and doctrines and traditions Col. 2. hatched up at Schools and never commanded of God and say if people will not observe your traditions or your elements which you call a Papist word Sacrament and perishing they not observing it are in a damnable state and worse then the Heathen and Infidels an Infidel is an Heathen one that knowes not God But your generation says it is blasphemy to say any hath known God and hath seen God and spoken to God so they themselves have concluded to be Heathen The Heathen know not God The Heathen observes traditions and they that know God cannot observe the traditions of the Heathen but obeys the Apostles doctrine and touches not tasts not nor handles the traditions of men and Ordinances which will perish so not saying so they that observe not traditions are not worse then Heathens but they that observe traditions are as the Heathens and be out of the Apostles doctrine in their own traditions and rudiments and are offended at those that will not touch them Robert Semple Priest of Lasmahagow came to George Weare of Saffield to reason with him and he laid down these following things for his doctrine and principles His first doctrine and principles was to prove the lawfulnesse of being called of men master standing praying in the Synagogues going in long Robes and he mentioned Ezras Pulpit of wood upon which he stood and read the Law to the people and for the rest he said nothing for his mouth was stopt concerning these things being found in the steps of the Pharisees Mat. 23. we do grant that Ezra had a Pulpit of wood but you profess your selves Ministers of the Gospel and plesbyterians and are ye sain to run to Ezra in the Law for a Pulpit now you have shewed your selves what you are and brought your deeds to the light but the Priesthood was made by the Law of God so were you never that priesthood changed and the Law changed also by which it was made and pulpit and Tythes ended and Christ the everlasting Priesthood witnessed so thou and you have proved your selves no Ministers of the Gospel Christ Jesus the power of God and the wisdom of God the ever lasting Priest-hood who is the end of Priests Pulpits and Tythes that was true in their place So you that have got up another Pulpit Tythes Temple like Readers of the Law and not like ministers of the Gospel and Priests are separated from the Apostles in the delusion and from Christ the everlasting Priesthood Heb. 7. and are them that Jude 19. and 2 Pet. 2. speakes of That separates themselves having not the Spirit that they were in who witnessed against Pulpit Tythes and Priest-hood and witnessed Christ the everlasting Priest-hood which Pulpit Tythes and Priesthood ye are crying up and so Antichrist George Weare bad him prove his practice for sprinkling of Infants and whether or no they were not to believe before they were Baptized He said the promise was to Abraham and his seed George answered him it was not to seeds as to many but to thy seed which is Christ Robert the Priest said That seed Christ was natural contrary to the Apostles doctrine Gal. 3.16 who said Christ was the power of God 1 Cor. 1.14 15. and Christ the mistery Col. 1.2.7 The first man is of the earth earthly the second man is the Lord from Heaven heavenly 1 Cor. 15. the spirituall man judgeth all things 1 Cor. 2.15 The seed of the woman bruiseth the serpents head Gen. 3.15 and the promise is to the seed and the seed is Christ the power of God And Christ the seed is the spiritual man and so not natural but the Priest said the seed is natural Now let all see in this whether he be not given up to delusion to speak lies in hypocrisy 1 Tim. 4.1 to delude and deceive people for dishonest gain Ezek. 22.13 Which seed he and all the Presbyterians shall finde spiritual to judge them and bruise the heads of them and break their wicked cords and bonds of iniquity which they have laid upon the people Mat. 23. Ezek.
you cannot deceive the Nations any more as ye have done Again the Priests of the Presbytery belonging to Glascow made a fast and excommunicated these persons viz. William Gray and James Findly and charged people not to let them come into their houses commanding them to have no commerse with them in buying nor selling nor borrowing nor lending and James Findly being a Smith they charged people that they should not work with him for if they did they should be excommuicated also and Henry Foreside Priest of that parish again told them that it was acted in the presbytery that if any work any longer work that pertaines to the Smiths trade with James Findly they should be excommnicants and should not parake with any of his Church-Ordinances as marriage sprinkling the children and communion of bread and wine which act several of the people murmures under but say they must obey it contrary to their minds because they cannot bear the Priests wrath Again John Burnett Priest of Kilbrid charged his hearers to have no dealings in civil affaires with these people called Quakers that were excommunicated and he summoned such to his Sessions which had eaten or drunken bought or sold with them requiring them to make publick confession before the people that they had given offence in so doing c. Again Robert Paul one of the Priests elders said he would convert James Findly and his doctrine to convert him by was this That the Scripture was the word And secondly That the Scriptures was God Thirdly That the Scriptures is the way to the Kingdom of Heaven and no other under Heaven Fourthly That the scriptures is the Holy Ghost that the Father promised that he would send that should reprove the world of sin c. Ans If he had said that the Scripture is that which testifie of these things that doctrine had bin more like to have converted for the scripture saith That the word was in the begining before scripture was and it saith that Christ is the way and there is no other Name under Heaven by which men shall be saved but by Christ it doth not say that by no other name but the scripture so that all such doctrine will pervert people from God and not convert them to God And the same Robert Paul said he would respect mens persons and that he would never be free from fin neither was it possible Answ How can thou do any other but respect persons and commit sin while thou denyes God to be God and Christ to be the way and would make the scriptures both to be God and the way to God and would make them the spirit the gift of the Father but herein thou art blind and leads none but the blind and doth pervert and not convert for thou art ignorant of that which convinceth the world of sin yet which is the Spirit of truth which the scripture testifies of but that thou must first come to know to convince thee of and to condemn thy darkness before thou do either convince or convert any unto God James Gartsore Priest said they loved God which keeped not his commandements Answ Which is contrary to the Apostles doctrine which saith If any man saith that he loves God and keeps not his Commandments he is a lyar and the truth is not in him and hereby do we know wee love God because wee keepe his commandements 1 John 2.3 4. and his Commandements are not grievous but joyous And Christ saith Why call ye me Lord and doth not the thing that I command you so that none loves God but he who keeps his Commandements and abideth in him and he that abideth in him sinneth not 1 John 3.6 Peter Kid Priest of Douglasse said Put a man in never such a close place his soule will run like a post horse Answ Thou shewest that thou art ignorant of the soul and never knew what it was nor knowes how to Minister to it nor how to watch over it But if thou had seen thine own condition thou might have said that thy vain thoughts and wandring imaginations runs to and fro in the earth and thy mind is not staid upon God and art not come to know the first principal of the the time Religion that which should stay thy mind upon God so thou art to wait to be taught and not to teach William Simerwell Priest of Petinance said that Christ died for the Elect and godly people of the world and not for the Turks and Pagans and Barbarians c. Answ Christ died for sinners according to the Scriptures Rom. 5.8 And he came to call sinners to repentance not the righteous or godly Mat. 9.13 And Christ died for all 2 Cor. 5.14 15. And is the propitiation for our sins saith the Apostle that was the believers and not for ours onely but for the sins of the whole World and the Gospel is to be preached to every Creature and remission of sins in his Name to Turks Pagans and Barbarians So herein thou hast shewed that thou was never made a Minister of the Gospel unto any neither knoweth what the Gospel is to be Ministred unto so therefore be silent and learn no more to blaspheme God and his truth as thou hast done Again Priest Simerwell saith Christ calls all men every where to repent but he will not that all should Repent Answ Here thou would make Christ a deceiver and so hath manifested thy selfe to be Antichrist what doth Christ call men to do that which he would not have them to do What is there any guile to be found in his mouth would thou go about to turne the truth of the Scriptures into a lye which saith That God wills that all men should come to the knowledge of the truth that they might be saved and thou here hath charged Christ foolishly and falsly in saying that he calls them to do that which he would not have them to do when he calls all men every where to Repent The Priest of the Presbytery belonging to Glascow summoned James Findly and William Gray to be examined by him for Heresy as they say and when they appeared they shut the door and would let none hear their examination manifesting themselves to be in darknesse and afraid to bring their deeds to the Light left their deceipts should have been laid open and reproved but they would not answere untill the doors were set open and all people to here that would come in Truth is bold and seeks no Corners They Priests affirmed that the Light which every one is enlightened withall is naturall c. Answ Here they manifest their ignorance of the life of Christ which is spirituall whose life is the light of men and this is the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world and this light is pure that Christ doth enlighten every one withall and whosoever doth truth love the Light and brings his deeds to the light to be proved and by the Light
was never any since the world began was free from sin nor never shall be write that said he Answ Which is quite contrary to plain Scripture Rom. 6.18 20 22. Being made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousnesse for when ye were the servants of sin ye were free from righteousnesse but now being made free from sin and become servants of God ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end everlasting life for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord And Paul said Rom. 8.2 The Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death A Relation of some of the Sufferings of Friends to the Truth in Scotland JOhn Roberton called Lord of Ornock publickly refused to enter Andrew Hambleton in Shawton-hill in his possession under him because he was excommunicated by the Priests Witnesses of this Elexander Hambleton and John Strudders William Gray James Findly John Gray Robert Smally John Robine was summoned to be upon a Jewry at Dunbarton and when they came there and went within the Barr they puld off their Bonnets and bad them swear unto whom they answered they would not swear But they will tell the Truth and take God to be their Witnesse upon it but this they would not receive for John Callhonne called the Sheriffs deputy bad them swear by God and hold up their hands or go into prison and it was answered we dare not transgresse the Doctrine of Christ who said swear not at all he said it was but the Law of Christ that bad men not swear but the Law of God bad men swear and so would have set the old law over Christ who is the end of it who forbids swearing And because they durst not transgresse the Doctrines of Christ in which the Apostle lived who said Above all things my Bretheren swear not at all they put them all five into Prison The Heads of that which past in Discourse betwixt the People called Quakers and the two Priests of Hambleton in the Priests house The Names of the Priests are Jam. Nesmith and John English in which Discourse they have manifested themselves and all the rest of their Generation to be none of the Ministers of Christ but the Ministers of Anti-christ who preaches another Gospel then the Apostles did as in the Discourse following you may plainly see And also some Reasons why we deny them First JAmes Nesmith said There is no salvation in an ordinarie way for sinners without externall Revelation from the Scriptures Answ Here all may see they hold out another way to salvation then the Prophets and the Apostles did for they said Christ was given for salvation to the ends of the earth Isay 49.6 and there was not salvation in any other nor no other Name given by which any can be saved but by the Name of Jesus Acts. 4.12 But that salvation they tell of which is by external revelation from the Scriptures was never held forth by the Prophets nor the Apostles nor declared of in all the Scriptures of Truth therefore all may see they are such as preach another Gospel then the Apostles did and so are to be holden accursed and turned away from Gal. 1.8 Jam. Nesmith said That Christ doth not excommunicate the knowledge of himself but by the Scriptures and that the Scripture is the means by which the knowledge of God is imparted Answ This is a lye and Scripture contradiction For Christ who doth communicate the knowledge of himself by his own Spirit saith none knows the Son but the Father neither doth any man know the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveal him Mat. 11.27 So it is not by the Scriptures that the true knowledge of God is imparted to any man but by Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 The second Priest John English First Said the Vail that was over people in the time of the Law was the Old Testament and it was taken away by the New Testament Answ Sin was and is the vail by which the mystery was vailed all the time of the Law until now for when Moses is read the same vail remains over their hearts for their minds was and is blinded by the God of this World lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the Image of God should shine unto them 2 Cor. 4.4 nevertheless when their hearts shall be turned to the Lord the vail shall be taken away 2 Cor. 3.16 which vail is done away in Christ 2 Cor. 3.14 and not by the Scripture which they call the New Testament and here John English is proved to be a lyar and of his father the Devil who is a lyar from the beginning 2. John English said That the Gospel that was preached to Abraham was the same for matter but not for substance neither was it a clear Gospel Answ The Gospel that was preached to Abraham was the same for matter and substance which Paul preached for matter and substance is one and it was a clear Gospel for Christ the substance was preached to Abraham and Abraham saw his day and rejoyced John 8.56 Therefore give over deceiving the people with lies and repent 3. John English said The Scripture is the glasse by which we see the Face of God Answ This is a lie and Scripture contradiction for the Apostle saith God who commanded the light to shine out of darkness hath shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 Mark the Priests ignorance or the Scriptures and here all may see that he is one of them that keeps people in darkness from seeing the face of God and erres not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God 4. John English said The foundation of the Prophets and Apostles was meant the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament Answ The Prophets and Apostles meant what they speak and the same foundation which they declared of and builded upon did 〈◊〉 Enoch Noah and others who died in the Faith before the Old and New Testament was written build upon which foundation was Christ the Rock of Ages the foundation of the chief Corner Stone 2 Tim. 2.19 1 Cor. 2.11 But thou art one of them that drawes people from the foundation of the Prophets and the Apostles to build upon thy lies and consequences which building and foundation the Lord will bring to naught for he is risen to sweep away the refuge of lies which thou and thy generation hath been covered with and will make you naked and bare for your covering is too short that your shame cannot be hid any longer 5. John English said That they had their commission from Paul to give Bread and Wine Answ Here hast thou made it plainly manifest that thou and thy generation are none of the Ministers of Christ who say you have your