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A45214	A defence of the humble remonstrance, against the frivolous and false exceptions of Smectymnvvs wherein the right of leiturgie and episcopacie is clearly vindicated from the vaine cavils, and challenges of the answerers / by the author of the said humble remonstrance ; seconded (in way of appendance) with the judgement of the famous divine of the Palatinate, D. Abrahamvs Scvltetvs, late professor of divinitie in the University of Heidelberg, concerning the divine right of episcopacie, and the no-right of layeldership ; faithfully translated out of his Latine.	Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.; Scultetus, Abraham, 1566-1624. Determination of the question, concerning the divine right of episcopacie.	1641 (1641)	Wing H378; ESTC R9524	72,886	191

authoritie and yet authoritie experience reason are worthy to sway with us in all matters of question and withall Hee that said I am the way said that the old way was the good way and if Custome without Truth as that Father said well be nothing but a gray-hair'd Error or as Sir Francis Bacon wittily Antiquitie without Truth is a Cipher without a Figure yet where Custom Antiquitie are backed with Truth there they are Figures multiplied with many Ciphers As for the time wherein their learned Ancients affirme The Church not to have beene governed by Bishops but by Presbyters and for the difference pretended to be betwixt the Primitive Bishops and ours wee shall meet with it in such due time and place as shall be justly occasioned What needs this frivolous waste of unseasonable words wherewith unlesse these men desired to swell up this their windy bulke why doe they tell us yet againe of that already answered and groundlesse exception against both their owne eyes and conscience where I say that this government hath continued in this Iland ever since the plantation of the Gospel without contradiction when as they cannot name any man in this Nation that ever contradicted Episcopacie till this present age or that ever contradicted this truth that Episcopacy hath so long continued in this Iland which is the only drift of my words For alas could I be so simple as not to know that this age hath bred opposition enough to the present government could I doubt whether these very men oppose it Yet let the boldest forehead of them all denie that it hath continued thus long in this our Iland or say that any till this age contradicted it so as that my assertion is just their exception false and vain As for that supplie of accessory strength which I did not beg but raise evince from the light of nature and rules of just policie for the continuance of those things which long use and many laws have firmly established as necessary and beneficiall it will stand long enough against the battery of their Paper-pellets If some statute Laws which seemed once necessary and beneficiall proving afterwards in processe of time noxious and burthensome have been justly and wisely repealed Let them tell mee whether the fundamentall Lawes of the Kingdome upon any mans abuse may be subject to alteration or whether rather their Wisdomes would not think fit to determine that the Laws must stand and the abuses be removed such is the cause we have now in hand and if we shall goe lesse I speak not against an impossibility but an easinesse of change the question being so stated which their guiltinesse would willingly over-look that things indifferent or good having been by continuance and generall approbation well rooted in Church and State may not upon light grounds be pulled up SECT V. I Justly fetch the pedegree of our holy calling from no lesse then Apostolicall and in that right Divine institution and prove it from the clear practise of their immediate successors and justly triumph in that confidence They tell me of one scruple yet remaining It is well if there be no more And what may that be That in Originall authority of Scripture Bishops and Presbyters went originally for the same Alas brethren what needed this to be a scruple in your thoughts or your words when it is in expresse termes granted by us That there was at first a plain Identity in their denomination here is one page and that not without some labour of proofs idly lost It is true that the Remonstrant undertakes to shew a cleare and received distinction of Bishops Presbyters and Deacons out of the undeniable writings of those holy men which lived in the times of the Apostles and after them with an evident specification of their severall duties And what say my Answerers to this Yet say they Let us tell him that we never finde in Scripture these three Orders Bishops Presbyters Deacons Brethren ye might have spared to tell me that which I had told you before I speak of the monuments of immediate succession to the Apostolique times Ye of the writings of the Apostles themselves How then doe you either answer or oppose my assertion Although I must also tell you that though in the Apostolique Epistles there be no nominall distinction of the titles yet there is a reall distinction and specification of the duties as we shall see in due place That ye may seem not to say nothing and may make your Readers beleeve you are not quite forsaken of Antiquity ye call Hierome Chrysostome Theophylact Irenaeus and Cyprian to the Book And what evidence will they give for you That the names of Bishops and Presbyters were not at first distinguished but used 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in a promiscuous sense and that some succeeding Bishops of Rome were styled Presbyters This is all but that your trifling may appeare to all the World Name but any one of our Writers who have hitherto stood up in the cause of Episcopacie that hath not granted and proclaimed this which you contend for Although withall let me tel you that you could not have brought a stronger argument against your selves for hence the world shall see how little force can be drawne from the name to the thing since the mentioned Anicetus Pius Hyginus Telesphorus Bishops of Rome are so famously known to have been in an height of elevation above Presbyters And since Cyprian who is styled by his Presbyters Frater is never found to style his Presbyters Bishops And being an holy Bishop himselfe in many Epistles stifly maintaines the eminence of his superiority And is some-whiles honored with the title of Beatissimus Papa Cyprianus which I suppose was never given to a meere Presbyter But what do I here follow them who confesse themselves out of the way At last acknowledging that their adversaries confesse that which they would needs spend time to prove let the names passe All the question is of the distinction of their offices which they wil follow as tediously as loosly And first they would faine know what we make the distinct office of a Bishop wherein they fall somewhat unhappily upon the very words of that branded Aerius Is it say they to edifie the Church by Word Sacraments Is it to ordaine others to that worked Is it to rule to governe by admonition and by other censures any or all of these belong unto the Presbytery Compare now the words of Aerius as they are related by Epiphanius whom that Father brings in speaking thus concerning Episcopacy and Presbytery There is one order of both one honor one dignity the Bishop imposeth hands so doth the Presbyter the Bishop doth administer Gods worship or service so doth the Presbyter the Bishop sitteth on the throne so doth also the Presbyter See reader and acknowledge the very phrases of that man whom holy antiquity censured even in this point both for a frantick man and an

could not but bleed to see but withall desired to have had them lesse publique your charity accuseth mee of excusing them and blaming my humble motion of Constantines example professe to desire the blazoning of them to the World Whether of us shall give a better account of our charity to the God of peace I appeale to that great Tribunall In your next Section like ill-bred sonns you spit in the face of your mother A Mother too good for such sonnes The Church of England and tell us of Papists that dazle the eyes of poore people with the glorious name of the holy Mother the Church If they bee too fond of their Mother I am sure your Mother hath little cause to be fond of you Who can and dare compare her to those Aethiopian strumpets which were common to all commers For your whole undutifull carriage towards her take heed of the Ravens of the valley As if wee were no lesse strangers then you enemies to the Church of England you tell the World that wee know not who she is and that we wonder when wee are askt the question and run descant upon the two Archbishops Bishops Convocation Even what your luxuriant wit shall please and at last you make up your mouth with a merry jest telling your Reader that the Remonstrant out of his simplicity never heard nor thought of any more Churches of England then one Ridiculum caput Sit you merry Brethren but truly after all your sport still my simplicity tells mee there is but one Church of England There are many Churches in England but many Churches of England were never till now heard of You had need fetch it as farre as the Heptarchie And to shew how far you are from the objected simplicity yee tell us in the shutting up that England Scotland and Ireland are all one Church Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae But now take heed of Obelisks You professe you for your parts do acknowledge no Antiprelaticall Church I am glad to heare it nor I neither but I beseech you if you make and condemne a Prelaticall Church of England what shall bee the other part of the Contradistinction The Remonstrant tels you of further divisions and subdivisions which upon this ground you must necessarily make of the Church your deepe wisdomes take this as of his upbrading of the divisions in the Church in meer matter of Opinion and fly out into the censures of the Prelaticall party as the cause thereof and would have them say Mitte nos in Mare non erit tempestas The truth is the severalties of Sects and their separate Congregations about this Citie are many and lamentable I doe not upbraid but bewaile them The God of Heaven be Iudge where the fault rests and if it bee his holy will finde some speedy redresse but in the mean time one casts it upon faction another upon ungrounded rigour wheresoever it bee Woe bee to those by whom the offence commeth Lay you your hands on your hearts onwards and consider well Whether your fomenting of so unjust and deep dislikes of lawfull government have not been too much guilty of these wofull breaches As one that love that peace of the Church which you are willing to trouble I perswading an unity ask what bounders you set what distinction of Professors you make what grounds of Faith what new Creed what different Scriptures Baptisme means of salvation are held by that part which you mis-call the Prelaticall Church You answer according to your wonted Charity and Truth What bounds Those you say of the sixth Canon from the high and lofty Promontory of Archbishops to the Terra incognita of an c. Witty again Alas brethren if this bee all the Lists are too narrow Here are but four ranks of Dignities and few in each put if that inclusive c. reach far yet what will you make of all this Doe you exclude Bishops Deans Archdeacons c. from being members of the Church of England sure you dare not bee so shamefully unjust If therefore that they have an interest in the Prelacy cannot exclude them for their interest in the Church What becomes of your bounders This is fit work for your Obelisk What distinction you say worshiping to the East bowing to the Altar prostituting perhaps you meane prostrating themselvs in their approches into Churches and are these fit distinctions brethren whereupon to ground different churches if they difference men doe they difference Christians What new Creed you say Episcopacie by divine right is the first article of their Creed For shame brethren did ever man make this an article of faith who will thinke you worthy to have any faith given you in the rest of your assertions you adde absolute and blind obedience to all the commandements of Bishops Blush yet again Bretheren blush to affirme this when you well know that the words of the oath of Canonicall obedience run only In omnibus licitis honestis mandatis in all lawfull and honest commands You adde Election upon faith foreseene What nothing but grosse untruths Is this the doctrine of the Bishops of England have they not strongly confuted it in Papists in Arminians have they not cry'd it downe to the pit of Hell What means this wickedly false suggestion judge Reader if here bee not work for Obelisks What Scripture you say Apocrypha and Traditions unwritten Mark I beseech you unwritten Traditions are Scriptures first then Apocrypha and why I pray you is it more our Apocrypha then yours Are all our Bibles Prelaticall too Shortly all those Churches and houses and persons that have the Apocrypha in their Bibles belong to the Church Prelaticall what have wee lost by the match What Baptisme What Eucharist You tell us of the absolute necessity which some Popish fooles have ascribed to the one and of an Altar and table set Altarwise in the other What are these to the Church of England doth the errour of every addle head or the sight or posture of a Boord make a different Church What Christ You answere near to a blasphemy A Christ who hath given the same power of absolution to a Priest that himselfe hath This can be nothing but a slanderous fiction No Christian Divine ever held that a Priests power of absolution was any other then ministeriall Christs Soveraign and absolute If you know the man bring him forth that he may be stoned What Heaven you say such as is receptive of Drunkards Swearers Adulterers Brethren take heed of an Hel whiles you fain such an Heaven and feare lest your uncharitableness will no lesse bar you out of the true Heaven above then you bar Prelaticall sinners from their accesse thereinto but if you had rather goe on still in your owne way separate your selves from us that professe wee are one with you Charge upon us those doctrines and opinions which wee hate no whit lesse then your selves fasten upon the Church of England those

I must needs say and I speake it in the presence of God to whom I must shortly give an account that I never saw any Writer that would dare to profess Christian syncerity so fouly to overlash as if yee made no conscience by what means you uphold a side or win a proselyte God touch your hearts with a true sense of that whereof you cannot be but in this discourse convinced Now you thinke to garnish your worke with a goodly Pasquin borrowed for a great part out of Sion's Plea and the Breviate consisting of a rhapsodye of Histories concerning the pride insolence treachery cruelty and all other the deadlie sins of popish prelates but especially of those who swayed the See of Canterbury in those days of Darknesse and Renish Tyranny Whereto I suppose you expect no answere as being a thing utterly unconcerning us and that whereof I might say setting aside the ill intention of an application as Huntingdoniensis said of the Cardinals adultery Celari non potuit negari non debuit But tell me brethren what can be your drift in this your tedious relatiō Is there any man that offers to undertake their patrocination or is it any advantage to you to make their memory yet more odious Let them have beene as foule as ill will can make them Let them have been in their times Devills incarnate what is that to us They were Bishops you say True but they were popish bishops limmes of that body whose head wee abjure the fault of their wickednesse was in the Popery not in the Episcopacie in the men not the calling why should you think to choake us with these hatefull instances If I should goe about to rake together all the insolences murthers incests treasons and villainies that have beene done by Popish Presbyters in the time of that lawlesse ignorance superstition would you think these could bee any blemish to you why will you then bee so miserably uncharitable as to cast upon us the crimes of those whom we equally condemne and to feoffe their faults upon their chaires what one profession is there in all mankind which if wee should go about to ransack would not yield some persons extreamely vicious shall the vocation bee condemned for the crimes of the men At last to make up the mouth of your admirable charity You tell us of the gracious practices of the Prelates from the beginning of Queene Elizabets Raigne to this present day whose great designe you say still hath beene to hinder reformation to further Popery and Arminianisme to beat downe preaching to persecute zealous Professors and some such other noble projects of Episcopall pietie Tell me Brethren as you will answere it before the just Iudge of all the World Have these beene the main designes of Bishops Are they all guilty of these wofull enormities or are they not If yee say they are the World will cry shame on your falshood If they are not the World will cry no lesse shame on your injustice in taxing all for the fault of some What are these the onely remarkable works that your eyes could discover to fall from the hands of Bishops could you see no Colledges no Hospitalls built no Churches re-edified no learned Volumes written no heresies confuted no seduced persons reclaimed no hospitality kept no great offenders punished no disorders corrected no good offices done for the publique no care of the peace of the Church No diligence in preaching No holinesse in living Truly brethren I can say no more but that the fault is in your eys and not in your object Wipe them and looke better Yea I beseech God to open them rather that they may see good as well as evill As for that base and scurrilous Proverb to which you say it is now comne whereas the World knowes it is elder then your Grandsires and was taken up in the popish times it were more fit for a Scurra in trivio or some Ribald upon an Ale-bench then for grave Divines How easie were it for mee to reckon up an hundred of such spightfull Adages which vulgar envy hath beene wont to cast upon the rest of the Clergie worthy of nothing but scorne and so had this bin if your wit and charity had not bin alike But surely Brethren if whatsoever is spoiled they say The Bishops foot hath beene in it I doubt not but they wil say The Bishops foote hath been in your Book for I am sure it is quite spoiled by this just confutation Afier your own pottage for your Proverb sapit ollam you tell us of Boner's broath I should have too much wondred at this conclusion but that I hear it is the fashion in some Countries to send in their Keal in the last service and this it seems is the manner amongst our Smectymnuans Well to shut up all let them of their Boners beef and broath make what Brewesse they please for their credulous guests Learned and worthy Doctor Moulin shall tell them that the restauration of the English Church and eversion of Popery next under God and our King is chiefely to be ascribed and owed to the learning and industry of our Bishops some whereof being crowned with Martyrdome subscribed the Gospell with their blood Thus hee Neither doubt I but that many of them if occasion were offered would be ready to imitate them in those red Characters In the mean time I beseech the God of Heaven to humble you in the sight and sense of your own grievous uncharitablenesse and to put at last into your hearts and tongues the Counsels of Peace FINIS An Advertisement to the READER KNow Reader that whereas in one of those many angry Pamphlets which have beene lately published there is an intimation given of some disgracefull language that fell from Dr. Voetius the learned professor of Vtrecht concerning the person of Doct. Hall B. of Exeter there hath been serious inquisition made into the truth of that report and that the said D. Voetius disavowes to the party that inquired of it any such words of under-valuation by him spoken as it is testified under the hand of Sir William Boswell Knight his Majesties Lieger with the states And if upon the sight of a displeasing title of a Booke contrary to his own judgement any learned Divine should have passed a censure upon the worke there was small reason for the reporters to reflect upon the person of the authour Yea I am confident that many of our worthy brethren at home who are differently minded concerning this tenet of the right of Episcopacie if they would be pleased to informe themselves throughly of the state of the question as it is defended by the Authour of that treatise would find small cause of scruple in this opinion For whereas there are three degrees of truths and holy institutions as they are commonly distinguished Humane Apostolike Divine The first from mere men The second from men Apostolical The third from God himselfe immediately The Authour