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A33979 A supplement to a little book entituled, A reasonable account why some pious nonconforming ministers cannot judg it lawful for them to perform their ministerial acts in publick solemn prayer, ordinarily, by the prescribed forms of others : wherein is examined whatsoever Mr. Falconer in his book called, Libertas ecclesiastica, and Mr. Pelling in a book called, The good old way, have said to prove the ancient use of forms of prayers by ministers : and it is proved, that neither of the two aforementioned authors have said anything that proveth the general use, or imposition of such forms of prayer in any considerable part of the church, till Pope Gregories time, which was six hundred years after Christ, nor in any church since the reformation, except that of England, and (which is uncertain) some in Saxony. Collinges, John, 1623-1690.; Falkner, William, d. 1682. Libertas ecclesiastica.; Pelling, Edward, d. 1718. Good old way. 1680 (1680) Wing C5343; ESTC R18940 53,644 120

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or matter which some words signifie and other words may signifie too The Leper is said Mar. 1. 45. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 we translate it to blaze abroad the matter and that very truly Christ is said to preach the word to the people Mar. 2. 2. that is the matter of the Gospel for no doubt he did not always use the same syllabical words so Mark 4. 14 15 16 17 18 19. Matth. 13. 19 20 21 22 23. where word signifies the matter of the Gospel though in diversified words it were easie to produce an 100 Texts The truth is it is an Hebraeism 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 answering to their 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifies matter or things as often as syllabical words and those who know not this are very ignorant of the Dialect of the Hebrew or the Greek Tongue Christ went and prayed saying the same thing that is to the same sense the same matter and this must be the sense for we shall find that Christ did not use the same syllabical words the first time Mat. 26. 39. The words are O my father if it be possible let this cup pass from me nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt V. 42. He went away the second time an●… prayed saying O my father if this cup may not pass from me except I drink it thy will be done V. 44. He prayed the third time saying the same words Mark 14. 36. He said Abba Father all things are possible unto thee take away this cup from me nevertheless not what I will but what thou wilt V. 39. He prayed and spake the same words Luke 22. 42. Father if thou be willing remove this cup fr●m me nevertheless not my will but thine be done It is agreed on all hands by the Evangelists that our Saviour at this time prayed but three times Luke mentions but one Mark mentions two Matthew mentions three Here are four forms how is it possible that he should then use the same syllabical words twice and yet use all the forms as they lye before us In earnest the Argument from this Text is such a trifle as I am ashamed to examine it lest some should think me as simple as they that use it for it is as much idleness to pelt a Puppet as to make it Those who argue from this Topick must be acquainted little with the Hebrew or the Greek or with the Scripture and those that think it militates against my Position must have as little acquaintance either with it or with common sense chuse they whether My Hypothesis is That it is unlawful for Ministers whom God hath furnished with the gift of Prayer ordinarily to perform their ministerial Acts in publick solemn prayer by the prescribed forms of others No must they say Christ did it Say they so who made these forms for him I wonder who denies but that a person furnished with the gift of prayer may pray by a form composed in his own heart who says forms of prayer are sinful in that degree as blasphemy so that God himself cannot legitimate them who saith that when we are to pray for one and the same thing we may not use the same words which we have before conceived in our own hearts Now what doth this Text prove more If it could be proved that our Saviour did use the same words syllabically two or three times which it is plain he did not if he did not pray six times instead of three which are all the Evangelists mention yet I hope he made use of words conceived by himself and I do not read that he left any order that his Disciples or the Church should afterwards use these very words and no other in a state of affliction if he had surely we ought to have had no other Collect for sick and afflicted persons and by his varying four times or three times he taught us that we may lawfully vary our words and yet 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pray to the same sense and make the same to be the matter of our Petitions So that those who triumph in this Argument do not only triumph before the Victory which the Proverb makes absurd but they triumph in the thing by which they are conquered which yet if it be rightly done is but ingenuous for we ought to rejoyce when Truth to which all rational souls are debtors prevaileth By which Reverend Sir you may see I am very well pleased at the news that my little book shall be answered I do not think it worthy of a man to be afraid of an Answer and profess to you rom my heart that I should be glad to see an ingenuous answer to which I should not be able to make a reply satisfactory to my self or any reasonable persons I will assure you it would go a great way to deliver me from the name of a Dissenter But for a Minister of Christ to be made a meer Minister of men to read or say in his Ministerial Acts only what men would have them is what I am so far from thinking lawful that I cannot entertain a thought of it with that patience I ordinarily use in causes which appear to me of a lighter nature This is my present apprehension of this matter I seek for Truth and not for Masteries and shall therefore rejoyce if any can inform me better but you see it must be with better arguments than these though this be as good an argument I must needs say as that from Hosea 14. Take unto you words and say c. and many others But I have enlarged too much upon so inconcludent an argument unless as I hope it will conclude that I am Your most affectionate Brother and Servant