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be_v build_v upon_o he_o 122._o that_o he_o fall_v but_o not_o from_o the_o faith_n 123_o 124._o whether_o he_o be_v universal_a pastor_n 125._o the_o high_a power_n ecclesiastical_a how_o give_v to_o he_o and_o how_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n 109_o 110_o 247_o 248_o pope_n not_o infallible_a 2_o 3_o 4_o 5_o 6_o 11_o 12_o 58_o 59_o 124_o 147_o 253._o how_o improbable_a and_o absurd_a it_o be_v to_o say_v he_o be_v so_o 174_o 175_o etc._n etc._n he_o make_v more_o infallible_a by_o the_o romanist_n than_o a_o general_a council_n 172._o his_o infallibility_n hold_v by_o some_o against_o conscience_n 174_o 175._o if_o he_o have_v any_o it_o be_v useless_a 177._o how_o oppose_v by_o alphonsus_n à _fw-fr castro_n 172_o 173._o the_o belief_n and_o knowledge_n of_o it_o both_o of_o they_o impossible_a 177._o that_o he_o may_v err_v and_o have_v err_v 136._o that_o he_o may_v err_v as_o pope_n 174_o 175._o prefer_v by_o some_o before_o a_o general_a council_n 172._o not_o 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fidem_fw-la non_fw-la dederunt_fw-la non_fw-la ab_fw-la imperatore_n sigismundo_n ille_fw-la enim_fw-la dedit_fw-la fidem_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la violavit_fw-la ibid._n §._o 7._o but_o all_o man_n know_v that_o the_o emperor_n be_v use_v by_o the_o father_n at_o constance_n to_o bring_v husse_n thither_o sigismundus_n hussum_fw-la constantiam_fw-la vocat_fw-la &_o missis_fw-la litaris_fw-la publicâ_fw-la fide_fw-la cavet_fw-la mense_fw-la octob._n anno_fw-la 1414._o etc._n etc._n edit_n in_o 16._o et_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la primò_fw-la graviter_fw-la tulit_fw-la hussi_fw-fr in_fw-la carcerationem_fw-la tamen_fw-la cum_fw-la dicerent_fw-la fidem_fw-la haereticis_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la servandam_fw-la non_fw-la modò_fw-la â—â—mi_fw-la sit_fw-la offensionem_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o primus_fw-la â—â—â—rbè_fw-la in_o eum_fw-la pronunci_fw-la avit_fw-la ibid._n this_o be_v a_o mockery_n and_o becaâ—us_o his_o argument_n be_v easy_o turn_v upon_o himself_o for_o if_o the_o father_n do_v it_o 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posse_fw-la concitium_fw-la eos_fw-la punire_fw-la etc._n etc._n etiamsi_fw-la de_fw-la salvo_fw-la conductu_fw-la confisi_fw-la ad_fw-la locum_fw-la vinerint_fw-la judicii_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o much_o more_o plain_o simanca_n instit._n 46._o §._o 52._o jure_fw-la igitur_fw-la haeretici_fw-la quidam_fw-la gravissimo_fw-la concilii_fw-la constantiensis_n judicio_fw-la legitimâ_fw-la flammâ_fw-la concremati_fw-la sunt_fw-la quamvis_fw-la promissa_fw-la illis_fw-la securit_fw-la as_o fuisset_fw-la so_o they_o be_v not_o only_a protestant_n which_o charge_n the_o council_n of_o constance_n with_o this_o nor_o can_v becanus_n say_v as_o he_o do_v afferâ—ant_fw-la uno_fw-la consensu_fw-la omnes_fw-la catholici_fw-la fidem_fw-la haeâ—eticis_fw-la servandam_fw-la esse_fw-la for_o simanca_n deny_v it_o and_o he_o quote_v other_o for_o it_o which_o a._n c._n will_v be_v â—oath_a shall_v not_o be_v account_v catholic_n but_o how_o faithful_o simanca_n say_v the_o one_o or_o becanus_n the_o other_o let_v they_o take_v it_o between_o they_o and_o the_o reader_n be_v judge_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n the_o very_a title_n of_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n sess._n 19_o be_v this_o quod_fw-la non_fw-la abstantibus_fw-la salvis_fw-la conductibus_fw-la imperatoris_fw-la regum_fw-la etc._n etc._n possit_fw-la per_fw-la judicem_fw-la competentem_fw-la de_fw-la haeretica_fw-la pravitate_fw-la inquiri_fw-la inquiri_fw-la for_o so_o much_o a._n c._n confess_v p._n 4â—_n for_o if_o they_o shall_v give_v way_n to_o the_o alter_n of_o one_o then_o why_o not_o of_o another_o and_o another_o and_o so_o of_o all_o and_o â—he_v trent-fathers_n in_o a_o great_a point_n of_o doctrine_n be_v amaze_v and_o not_o know_v what_o to_o answer_v to_o a_o bishop_n of_o their_o own_o yet_o be_v resolve_v not_o to_o part_v with_o their_o common_a error_n certum_fw-la tamen_fw-la erat_fw-la doctrinam_fw-la eam_fw-la non_fw-la probare_fw-la sed_fw-la quam_fw-la antea_fw-la didicissent_fw-la firmitèr_fw-la teâ—ere_fw-la etc._n etc._n hist._n con._n trid._n l._n 2_o p._n 277_o edit_n leyd_n â—6â—2_n a._n c._n p._n 57_o 57_o biseech_v god_n to_o inspire_v continual_o the_o universal_a church_n with_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n unity_n and_o concord_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o prayer_n for_o the_o militant_a church_n and_o in_o the_o three_o collect_v on_o good-friday_n a._n c._n p._n 57_o 57_o campian_n praesat_n rationibus_fw-la praefixâ_fw-la praefixâ_fw-la §._o 26._o nu._n 1._o 1._o §._o 21._o n._n 6._o 6._o modo_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la ad_fw-la cathedram_fw-la pertinent_a recta_fw-la praecipiant_fw-la s._n hier._n ep._n 236._o 236._o l._n 4._o instit._fw-la c._n 1._o §_o 13_o etc._n etc._n etc._n ep._n 48._o a_o malis_fw-la piscibus_fw-la cord_n semper_fw-la &_o moribus_fw-la seâ—arantâ—â—_n etc._n etc._n corporalem_fw-la separationem_fw-la in_o littore_fw-la marry_o hoc_fw-la est_fw-la in_o fine_a saetuli_fw-la expectant_a expectant_a vix_fw-la ullum_fw-la peccatum_fw-la sola_fw-la haerest_fw-la exceptâ_fw-la cogitati_fw-la potest_fw-la quo_fw-la illa_fw-la sedes_fw-la turpiter_fw-la maculata_fw-la non_fw-la fuerit_fw-la maximè_fw-la ab_fw-la anno_fw-la 800._o relect._n cont._n 1._o q_o 5._o art_n 3._o 3._o biel._n in_o can._n miss_z lect._n 23._o 23._o stel_n in_o s._n luc._n c._n 22._o almain_n in_o 3._o sent._n d._n 24._o q._n 1._o fine_a multae_fw-la sunt_fw-la decretales_fw-la berâ—ticae_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o so_o they_o err_v as_o pope_n pope_n eph._n 1._o 23._o 23._o s._n aug._n epist._n 50._o et_fw-la itâ—rum_fw-la columbae_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la qui_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la dissipant_fw-la accipitres_fw-la sunt_fw-la milvi_fw-la sunt_fw-la nâ—â—â—aniâ—â—_n columba_n etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n tract_n 5._o iâ—_n s._n john_n a._n c._n p._n 55._o a._n c._n p._n 56._o 56._o 3_o reg._n 12._o 27._o 27._o hos._n 4._o 15._o 15._o super_fw-la haereticis_fw-la prona_fw-la intelligentia_fw-la est_fw-la s._n hier._n ibid._n ibid._n non_fw-fr tamâ—â—_n cessavit_fw-la deus_fw-la &_o populum_fw-la hunc_fw-la arguâ—râ—_n per_fw-la prophetas_fw-la nam_fw-la ibi_fw-la extiterunt_fw-la magni_fw-la illâ—_n &_o ensign_fw-la prophetae_fw-la elias_n &_o elizaeus_n etc._n etc._n saint_n aug._n l._n 17._o de_fw-la civit._fw-la dei_fw-la â—_o 22._o multi_fw-la religiosè_fw-la intra_fw-la se_fw-la dâ—i_fw-la cultum_fw-la babebant_fw-la etc._n etc._n de_fw-fr quo_fw-la numero_fw-la â—â—â—â—mve_fw-la posteris_fw-la septem_fw-la illa_fw-la â—illiâ—_n fuissâ—â—tatuo_fw-la qâ—â—_n iâ—_n persecutione_n sub_fw-la aâ—habâ—_n deum_fw-la siâ—i_fw-la aâ—_n idâ—lolatrâ—â—_n immunes_fw-la reseruârunt_fw-la nec_fw-la genua_fw-la ante_fw-la baal_n flexerunt_fw-la fran._n monceius_fw-la l._n 1._o de_fw-fr vit._n aureo_fw-la c._n 12._o 12._o 3_o reg._n 17._o sub_fw-la achaâ—o_fw-la achaâ—o_fw-la 4_o reg._n 3._o sub_fw-la jehoram_fw-la â—ilio_fw-la achabi_fw-la achabi_fw-la 3_o reg._n 19_o 18._o 18._o hos._n 9_o 17._o 17._o 4_o reg._n 9_o 6._o 6._o non_fw-la â—portuit_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la eâ—s_fw-la vocare_fw-la qâ—um_fw-la authoritas_fw-la fuâ—rit_fw-la publicaâ—di_fw-la apud_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la romanam_fw-la prâ—â—ipâ—è_fw-la cum_fw-la unicuique_fw-la etiam_fw-la particulari_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la liâ—â—at_fw-la id_fw-la quod_fw-la catholicum_fw-la est_fw-la promâ—lgare_fw-la alb._n magn._n in_o 1._o do_v 11._o a._n 9_o 9_o non_fw-la â—â—rare_fw-la conuâ—â—it_fw-la popae_n â—t_a est_fw-la caput_fw-la â—â—â—â—aâ—_n l._n â—_o de_fw-fr rom._n poâ—t_fw-la c._n 3._o 3._o l._n 2._o de_fw-fr câ—riâ—tâ—_n c._n 〈◊〉_d â—_o quande_fw-la auâ—â—m_fw-la so_o you_o can_v find_v record_n of_o your_o own_o truth_n which_o be_v far_o more_o likely_a to_o be_v keep_v but_o when_o error_n be_v eâ—ept_v 〈◊〉_d wâ—_n must_v be_v bind_v to_o tell_v the_o place_n and_o the_o time_n and_o i_o know_v not_o what_o of_o their_o beginning_n or_o else_o they_o be_v â—ot_n error_n as_o if_o some_o error_n may_v not_o want_v a_o record_n as_o well_o as_o some_o truth_n truth_n omninò_fw-la rectè_fw-la nisi_fw-la excepisset_fw-la etc._n etc._n net_n consideravit_fw-la quanti_fw-la referat_fw-la concederi_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la particularibus_fw-la jus_o condendorum_fw-la canonum_fw-la de_fw-la fide_fw-la inconsultâ_fw-la romanâ_fw-la sede_n quod_fw-la nunquam_fw-la licuit_fw-la nunquant_a factum_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n capel_n de_fw-fr appellat_fw-la eccl._n africanae_n c._n 2._o nu._n 12._o 12._o rex_fw-la coâ—â—itetur_fw-la se_fw-la voensse_n concilium_fw-la tertium_fw-la tolet_n anum_fw-la quia_fw-la dâ—â—â—rsâ—s_fw-la retro_fw-la temporibus_fw-la haeresis_fw-la immineâ—s_fw-la in_o tota_fw-la eclesia_fw-la catholica_fw-la agere_fw-la synodica_fw-la negotia_fw-la denegabat_fw-la etc._n etc._n council_n toleâ—an_n tertium_fw-la can._n 1._o s._n james_n 1._o 20._o 20._o §._o 24._o nu._n 2._o 2._o nole_n tamen_fw-la dicere_fw-la quin_fw-la in_o multis_fw-la partibus_fw-la possit_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la per_fw-la 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