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A82555 The Quakers confuted, being an answer unto nineteen queries; propounded by them, and sent to the elders of the church of Duckenfield in Cheshire; wherein is held forth much of the doctrine and practise concerning revelations, and immediate voices, and against the holy Scriptures, Christs ministry, churches and ordinances &c. Together with an answer to a letter which was written and sent by one of them to a family of note and quality in the said county, which pleaded for perfection in this life, and for quaking. By Samuel Eaton, teacher of the Church of Christ heretofore meeting at Duckenfield, now in Stockport in Cheshire. Eaton, Samuel, 1596?-1665.; Waller, Richard, d. 1657. 1654 (1654) Wing E125; Thomason E719_8; ESTC R9865 69,620 98

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what hours were spent in their publike service nor Concerning hours in the publike service whether those hours that were spent were spent together and at one entire meeting without intermission and parting or whether they divided their hours according to the pattern and example which they had in the Offerings and Sacrisiees of the Old Testament which were not at once and together but at discontinued times there was a morning and an evening-Sacrifice which were offered about the third and ninth hours and there was a great expediencie in it that there might be some bodily refreshing betwlxt the times and the necessity of Nature was provided for in it and Sabbath-exercises were distinguished thereby from Fasts and upon this accompt it is equitable that Christian service should be carried for time after such manner but herein Christian Prudence hath the Principal stroke for we do not judge our selves Scripturally obliged to so many hours or so distributed that some should be in the forenoon and some in the afternoon but for conveniencies-sake we practise it yet not precisely keeping to an hour And for hours in Families we Concerning time spent in holy exercises in Families have read how holy men of God have carried it in their milies Abraham commanded his children and his houshold after him and they did keep the way of the Lord Jacob he reformed his Family and purged away the Idols and all the filth from it that they might more purely serve the Lord together Josbua resolved that he and his house would serve the Lord now he could not resolve it in reference to secret worship which each apart was to perform to God but it refers to Family-duties and service which should be on foot amongst them together And David would walk not in his own Person alone but in his house with a perfect heart And there is a Prophesie that respects Families mourning apart which is to be accomplished in the dayes of the Gospel Zach 12. 12. to the end And there is a Promise made where two or three are gathered together suppose in a Family or any other way Christ will be in the midst of them and where Saints are together in a Family the Spirit of God within them will be a Spirit of Prayer within them and will bring them together and there cannot be Family-duties but there must be a time to perform them in and if morning and evening be taken for them it is most congruous First because occasions wilt then best permiso for it will be before the works of these Callibas be begun and it will be afree they are finished Secondly all things are sanctified by prayer and so will their is bours be in the morning and their rest in the evening But where or when doth a good heart dispute against these things a spiritural heart will rather dictate to a Person to apprehend the opportunitigs unto prayer and all other spiritual duties both apart and with others and will practise what was commanded in reference to preaching will pray in season and out of senson at times which con●●eiency makes cheice of and at other times also will put up all manner of prayers and at all times as occasion requites And where Saipts are together they will encourage one another and say come let us joya together and pray and seek the face of God in prayer and in other duties also and in Families especially will this be done Querie 17. Whether you do not seduce the People to araw Concerning the Spirits teaching in what way to expect it And whether the outward must be denyed that the inward may be received them from the anointing within them when as John saith they need no man teach them but as the anointing and the Promise was Eternal Life to him that did abide in the anointing Ans The scope and intent of this Question is to overtura all out ward teaching by men to erect an immediate teaching of the Spirit in the room of it It is to carry men off from Gods outward Ordinances to wait for secret Inspirations of God and indeed it is to subject men to Satanical delusions instead of the Spirits suggestions For that which is insinuated is this viz that the drawing of any people to attend upon any out ward instruction becomes in effect a withdrawing of them from the annointing or from that inward teaching of the Spirit which indeed hath not one syllable of truth in it For John the Baptist did draw the people after him so did Christ so did the Apostles to hear the Word of God which they preached which was an outward word an outward teaching did they withdraw such Persons from the inward teaching from the annointing within them or were they not rather drawn to the annointing within them by attending and giving heed to the outward preaching did not the Spirit of God accompany their outward preaching did not John come in the Spirit and Power of Elias in his outward Ministery and were not many turned from their disobedience to the wisdom of the Just and could this be without the Spirit was there not an admirable power of the Spirit attending both Christs teaching and the Apostles preaching did their outward instruction withdraw the people from the Spirit or did they not rather convey the Spirit to them Is not the Gospel as it is presented to men in an external way said to be the administration of the Spirit 2 Cor. 3. 8. Gal. 2. 5. And were not many annointed with enriching gifts by that Spirit which is the Spirit of the Gospel which comes along with the Gospel preached How then are any seduced by being being brought to the hearing of the Gospel preached or are not they rather seduced who are drawn off from the external Means and Ministery by which the Spirit is given and Faith is wrought to wait for the receiving of the Spirit without any Word to conveigh it to them which Spirit when they have it is not the Spirit of Truth but of Delusion as is confessed by one of their own newly redeemed out of such hellish captivity under which these poor Creatures are held Object But they produce a Scripture which seems to erect and set up one only Teacher which is the Spirit and to throw down and cast under foot all outward Teaching which is performed by men John saith to them he wrote 1 Ioh. 2. 27. That they needed not that any man teach them but as the annointing teacheth them of all things and is Truth Answ First This is not spoken of all men but of those 1 Ioh. 2. 27. Answered viz. ye need that no man teach you but as the anointing teacheth you all things who are come to Christ and had the Spirit that they needed no man to teach them But what must they do that have not the Spirit how must they obtain it if not by the Word of the Gospel which conveys it therefore an outward teaching
is necessary for such Secondly The Apostle seems to speak of such an annointment which they had received which had already taught them by which they should abide in Christ and not be seduced as those words shew Even us it hath taught you you shall abide c. Now indeed the Spirit of God hath taught us of all things in the Scriptures which were of his inspiring whereto if we attend we shall abide in the Truth and not be misled by Seducers and to this teaching of the Spirit in the Scriptures we need not that any teaching of man should be added but as we are taught in them Thirdly The words You need not that any man teach you but as the annointing teacheth you are hyperbolical expressions there is an excess in them as in many places of Scriptute as where it is said If all things should be written which Jesus said and did the whole world would not contain the the Books that would be written The meaning is there would be very many Books written if all should be written And in vers 20 of this very Chapter the Apostle tells them that they knew all things it is an excessive speech for no one knoweth all things but God Christ himself as man knew not all things who yet had the Spirit not according to measure but beyond it the meaning then is they had much knowledge and knew many things and so they needed not that any man teach them that is they knew so much already of the Doctrine of the Gospel that if onely they persevered in that which they knew they might be kept without much teaching it is to be understood in a comparative sense not in an absolute consideration as to exclude all teaching but to exclude much of that teaching which others do require and it respects the abundance of knowledge which they had in comparison of Believers of former times before the Gospel was revealed as from the Prophesie from which these words of John were fetcht appears Jer. 31. 34. They shall teach no more man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them saith the Lord Knowledge should so abound in the dayes of the Gospel that they should not need teaching so much as in the times of the Law For it points at the days of the Gospel after Christ should be revealed of which Christ saith That he that is least in the Kingdom of Heaven should be greater then John the Baptist who yet was greater then al the Prophets so exceedingly should Light shine in Gospel-times but that teaching should be absolutely excluded was not the Apostles meaning for though they never did need it less yet they never had it more then in the days of the Apostles and of the Primitive Churches For there were many who were eminently gifted besides Pastors and Teachers who did teach And it is to be observed that the Spirit was never given so plentifully in any Age as in that Age wherein so much outward teaching was so that there is no such measure of reception of the Spirit that can thrust out outward teaching while we are here yea and John himself thought there was need of teaching while he tells them of an unction that they had received and that they knew all things and needed not that any one should teach them for vers 36. he saith These things have I written unto you in reference to them that seduce you that is least you should be carried away from the Truth by them he taught them to stand fast in the Truth they had received Fourthly It holds forth that they were not neither should be Babes which knew nothing themselves were able to judge of nothing themselves but do depend wholly and really upon others to teach them and were led wholly as others guide them in this sense they should not need teaching for there was a light set up in their souls and they had the Spirit of God which is a light and enables them to discern with such clearness that they believe not because others tell them so but because they can look into the Truth themselves Concerning the last words of that question viz. that the Promise was eternal Life to him that did abide in the anointing because there is no such Scripture that saith so and because no course we take in our teaching doth tend as hath been shewed to withdraw from the anointing therefore I shall not insist upon them Querie 18. Whether you do not bewitch the people and draw them from the Spirit of God within them to observe those Sacraments and Ministery maintained and other practises in Church-meetings things which God never commanded to tell the people of a Sacrament and following your outward Teaching who stand praying in the Synagogues and are called of men Masters which Christ d●d forbid Mat. 23. And have the chiefest places in the Assemblies Whether these be not called Antichrists which act contrary to the Commands of Christ yea or no Answ In this Question besides the repetition of former things they strike at Sacraments at the teaching and praying of Pastors and Elders for to them they speak in al their questions at the posture of standing in prayer at the places of meeting calling them Synagogues in a derisive way at the Title of Master which is put upon them and charge them with ambition in assuming chiefest places which they say such take I must clear up the truth in all these particulars First Concerning Sacraments there are no Ordinances on foot amongst us which we call by that name though there Concorning Sacraments might be a defence for it but there are Ordinances which others call Sacraments and we call them Seals of the Covenant which are to confirm Faith in the Covenant of God concerning Remission of sin by the blood of Christ and other Grace of the like nature which is vouchsafed in Christ and they are Baptism and the Lords Supper and they are both of them instituted by Jesus Christ Mat. 28. 19. 1 Cor. 11. 23. and they both point at Christs Death and the shedding of his Blood Rom. 6. 3. 1 Cor. 1. 26. Mat. 26. 28. and they serve to Seal Remission of sins by Christs Blood Act. 22. 16. Mat. 26. 28. and indeed both of them are to put us in remembrance of Christ and that which Christ hath instituted who dares abrogate And those that destroy the Seals therein attempt the destruction of the Covenant for Seals are the ratification of Covenants or at least they do despise Gods grace of condescendency who for the cause of our weakness in belief of his Covenants vouchsafeth to grant us Seals to confirm them And Gods Covenants have never been without Seals and though there hath been change of Seals yet Seals are as old one or other of them and are to last as long as the Covenants and the Lords Supper
expresly till Christ come 1 Cor. 11. 26. And let all take heed least slighting Seals and gracious Covenants they be hereafter accompted despisers of Gods Grace which will be reckoned amongst the greatest sins Secondly Concerning our outward teaching I have declared already in part the necessity of it It is the ordinary way Concerning outward teaching and Ministery by which a people that are in darkness are brought to light Mat. 4. 13 14. Act. 26. 16 17 18. It is the way and means by which the deep and profound and many most sweet and necessary Truths of Scripture come to be understood Acts 8. 30 31. It is the means which God hath appointed for the bringing of men to Faith Rom. 10. 14 17. It is the power of God to Salvation Rom. 1. 16. It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save those who do believe 1 Cor. 1. 21. Upon which accompt it is that the Apostle concludes wo unto himself if he preach not the Gospel of Christ 1 Cor. 9. 16. It is the means of exalting Christ which made the Apostle so much to rejoyce that Christ was preached though from an envious Spirit Phil. 1. 18. And hence it is that God in all times and ages in which he hath had a Church hath had such which have preached and taught the people as James observed in that speech of his in the Councel Act. 15. 21. Moses saith he of old time hath in every City them that preach him being read in the Synagogue every Sabbath-day And must Christ be worse provided for then Moses no Christ himself was a Preacher of himself Luk. 4. 18. Mat. 4. 23. and he gave Commission to his Disciples to preach and sent them into all the World for that purpose Mat. 18. 19. and in them he commissioned others in all Ages to the end of the World for he promised his presence to the end of the world and consequently not to them only which were not to continue so long but to such also who should succeed them impreaching If any one should attempt to make this place invalid by interpreting the words which are translated to the end of the World to be meant only to the end of that Age because of the diversity of the sense that is put upon the Greek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is translated World and sometimes signifies Age to shew the weakness thereof I shall only give this hint these words together 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 are used for the end of the World in a plain proper sense in many places of Scripture as Mat. 13. 39 40. a●d cap 24. 3. Heb 9. 26. and I know not that they are together used in any other sense Secondly It seems to be too gross and wicked to restrain Christs presence to an Age much more the things that are given in charge to be preached and observed vers 20. as if one only Age were to observe Christs Commands for howsoever the Apostles were the Persons that immediately received the Commands and had the Promise yet there is a further scope in Christs words and a clear intimation of the continuation of the work by others who should succeed after they should cease to be For sutable to this is that charge which Paul gives to Timothy 1 Tim. 6. 13 14. I give the● charge in the sight of God who quickeneth all things and before Iesus Christ c. that thou keep this Commandment without spot irrebukably until the appearing of the Lord Iesus Christ Was Timothy to continue til the appearing of Jesus Christ or is there not another thing implyed viz. that Timothy should have successors in that work to whom Paul gives the charge as well as to him and lays it upon them to keep the same Commandment And because it is one work Paul speaks to them all as to one man and so did Christ in the Commission above mentioned And Christ ascended up on high and gave gifts to men and he appointed some Apostles some Evangelists some Prophets some Pastors and Teachers for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministery and for the edifying of the Body of Christ till we all come to the unity of the Faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man unto the measure of the Stature of the falness of Christ Eph. 4. 11 12 13. that is till all Saints come to a State of Perfection so as neither to be subject to errour nor to sin which is not attainable in this World Christ was born in weakness and littleness of stature as other men and he grew up to a perfect man the Apostle alludes to this Saints are growing up whilest they are here in knowledge and in all spiritual Gifts and Graces till nothing be wanting of that proportion which God hath appointed for them which is not in this life And Ministery must last while Saints are in their growing state while any thing is wanting of the measure they must come unto Object But ministerial gifts are not now to be found in the world such which the Ministers of the Gospel had in the Primitive times the Apostles were not to go forth into the world but were to tarry at Ierusalem though they had a Commission to Preach the Gospel in all Nations till they were first endued with power from on high that is till they were annoynted with the holy Ghost as was done at the time of Pentecost as is mentioned Act. 2 1 2 3. c. then had they the Spirit given them and were enriched greatly with gifts by which they were enabled to discharge that service they were called unto so Gal. 3. 5. the person that preached the Gospel had the ministring of the Spirit but now no such gifts therefore no such work ministerial as was then nor any such Officers as Pastors Teachers c. as was then Answ First When the Apostle Paul layeth down the qualification of Bishops or Elders for they are one he mentions many things respecting a good conversation and some other things respecting a right dispensation he must be ●ound in the Faith and setled and established in the Truth and mighty in the Scriptures that he may convince gainsayers and inclinable to communicate what gift he hath by an aptness to teach and he must be good and upright in his life in all things But not one word proceeds from the Apostle of any extraordinary gifts wherewith he is to be endued but a total silence in that point Now if such an anointment had been necessary with such an absolute necessary as that without it there could be no Bishops no Pastors and Elders of any kind at all how comes it that the Apostle omits the mention of so main a thing which is made the principal when he nominates many other things Therefore that anointment which the Apostles had and thole gifts wherewith they were enriched they served for other ends then to qualifie them