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A20471 A disswasiue from poperie, containing twelve effectual reasons by vvhich every Papist, not wilfully blinded, may be brought to the truth, and euery Protestant confirmed in the same: written by Francis Dillingham Master of Arts, and fellow of Christs Colledge in Cambridge, necessarie for all men in these times. Dillingham, Francis, d. 1625. 1599 (1599) STC 6883; ESTC S111897 57,357 173

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