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A16828 A true, sincere and modest defence, of English Catholiques that suffer for their faith both at home and abrode against a false, seditious and slanderous libel intituled; The exectuion of iustice in England. VVherein is declared, hovv vniustlie the Protestants doe charge Catholiques vvith treason ... Allen, William, 1532-1594. 1584 (1584) STC 373; ESTC S100110 150,813 230

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be praised as purposelie to dishonour our Prince and Countrie The true causes of publishing our miseries for whos loue in Christ so manie haue so meeklie lost their liues or to reueale their turpitude which we would rather couer if it were possible from the eyes of the world with our owne blood but we set forth the truth of al thes actions for the honour of our nation which otherwise to her infinite shame and reproche would be thought wholie and generallie to haue reuolted from the Catholique faith and consented to al the absurdities and iniquities of this new regiment and religion if none with zeale and extreme indeuour resisted such pernitious innouations Wher now as wel our owne people as al strangers in the Christian world perceauing the disorder to proceed but of the partialitie of a few powerable persons abusing her Maiesties clemencie and credulitie doe glorifie our Lord God that in so great a tentation al the Cleargie in maner and so manie of the laitie of al sortes constantlie persist in their fathers faith to the losse of goods landes liues honours and what soeuer besides and that the whole state excepting the authoritie of the Prince may yet be rather counted Catholique then heretical this is the honour of our nation in al places which otherwise for dooble reuolt and recidiuatiō into Schisme and for extreme persecution would be compted remediles hopeles and of al other places most infamous Secondlie we set forth thes thinges for the memorie and honour of such notable Martirs as haue testified the truth of the Catholique faith by their pretious death See S. Cyprian Which was an ancient Canon and custome of the primitiue Church which appointed certaine special persons or skil and learning to note the daies of euerie ones glorious confession and combat that their memories might afterward be solemlie celebrated for euer among Christians Thirdlie we doe it to communicate our calamities with our brethren in faith and the Churches of other prouinces standing free from this miserie both for their warning and our comfort and to excite in them Christian compassion towardes vs that therbie and by their councel and praiers we may find mercie and releef at Gods hand by the example of the Oriental Churches afflicted by the Arrians See S. Basile Epist 69. 70. which as we may read in S. Basile in their like distresses made their general complaints by often letters and messingers to the west Churches standing more entire and void of that Heresie and persecution Finallie we are forced to publish thes thinges so particularlie and diligentlie to defend the doings of the said holie Confessors and their felowes in faith against the manifold slaunders and calumniations of certaine Heretiques or Politiques vniustlie charging them with treason and other great trespasses against the Common-wealth to auert the eyes of the simple from the true causes of their suffering and to disapoint the holie personages if they could of the honour done to Martirs in Gods Church For that is one special cause among manie why they had rather make them away for forged treason or other feigned offences then for profession of the truth which in their hart they hate more then anie crime in the world S. Gregorie Nazianzene liuelie expresseth the condition of al Heretiques in the behauiour of Iulianus the Apostata thus writing of him Oratione in laudē Caesaris He openlie and boldlie professing impietie yet by coulor of clemencie couered his crueltie and lest vve should atteine to the honours done customablie to Martirs vvhich he disdeined to the Christians he vsed namelie this fraude and deceipt that such as he caused to be tormented for Christs cause should be thought and reported to be punished not for their faith but as malefactours For discouerie therfore of this sinful and deceiptful dealing of our aduersaries who not contented with the death and torments of Gods Saints would punish them by ignominie after their life we are driuen to this dutiful office of their and the holie Churches defence whos honour and innocencie we may not bewray for a thousand deathes Wherin we are not much terrified by the vaine and vulgar exordium of the Author of this inuectiue which we now must refute The Libellers vaine and vulgar Exordium who beginneth aboue al arte after their maner with a common sentence as meet for vs and our matter as for him and his cause telling vs that it is a common vsage of al offendours and speciallie rebels and traitors to make defence of their lend and vnlauful factes by couering their deedes with pretence of other causes Which speech as it might be vsed where anie such trespasse could be proued so is it fondlie said where no crime can be auouched as in the processe of this treatise shal be by Gods grace most clearlie conuinced And it might not onelie be applied by the olde heathen or heretical persecutors against the first Apostles and Martirs of Christ being falslie charged with the same crimes as we be now and answered for them selues as we doe but may much more be verified and found in publique persons and common-wealthes when they erre or commit iniquitie then in anie poore priuate States Princes and common-vvealthes haue more pretēces for couering their misdeedes thē priuate mē or afflicted persons be they neuer so guiltie For Princes and communities in disorder haue a thousand pretences excuses and coulors of their iniust actions they haue the name of authoritie the shadowe of lawes the pennes and tongues of infinite at their commaundement they may print or publish what they like suppresse what they list wherof priuate men be they neuer so wicked or good haue not so great commoditie For examples we need not to goe farre out of our owne Countrie and memorie For when Richard the third intending to vsurpe the Croune of England slew diuers of the Nobilitie first most cruelly Richard Duke of Glocester and afterward murthered vnnaturallie his owne innocent nephewes what solemne Libels proclamations orations were put foorth to iustifie his abhominable iniquitie When the last Duke of Northumberland for the like ambitious purpose would haue dishabled and defeated traiterouslie Iohn Dudly Duke of Northumberland both the noble daughters of his owne Soueraigne and Maister and by the title of his daughter in lawe possessed him self of the Croune what a number of pamphlets and edicts were published on the sodaine for couloring of that foule treacherie and intollerable treason When Orange Orange and his confederats reuolted not long since from their natural Prince the Scottish Heretiques from their lauful Soueraine Iamy Murton c. and other Prouinces for the same cause from the vnitie and common faith of the Church who hath not seene the infinite Libels for their excuse in wickednes That therfore that may sometimes fal in priuate mens causes for couering their sinne and shame happeneth farre oftener and much more dangerouslie in powerable
folowing Math. 5. And thos men in such a case are onelie wise and godlie Councellours her Maiesties true subiectes and worthie members of the Common-wealth that humblie exhort her Highnes not to be beguiled by her present fortune or to thinke obstinate and forcible resistance of the Pope or Churches sentence of Excommunication True and good councel to her Maiestie to be her most securitie but to see what Theodosius the elder did whē he was excommunicated by S. Ambrose to remember how Theodosius the yōger behaued him self in the cause of S. Chrisostome for whos vniust banishment the said Emperours father and mother were excommunicated Lib. 10. trip hist cap. 18. 26. to consider wel what the end of the controuersie was betwixt King Henrie the second and the Pope and Bishop of Canturburie in his time and afterward betwene King Iohn and the Sea of Rome and Cleargie in thos dayes That al thes in fin as mightie Princes as they were yeelded and reconciled them selues to the Sea Apostolique A thing that after a litle heat or headines of yong Princes be past was and euer shal be found in fin the onelie sure and honorable way before God and the world to keepe them selues and their Realmes from perdition Which danger her Maiesties father in whom this reuolt of our daies and Countrie beganne both afore once or twice The meaning of K. Henrie 8. for reconciling him self to the Sea of Rome and speciallie towardes his death sawe and earnestlie sought to auert from his posteritie by the like reconciling him self to the Church Which yet through Gods iudgementes he had not time to accomplish in him self but was atchiued afterward most honorablie in his eldest daughter not onelie for consciēce sake otherwise but especiallie for effectuating her said fathers great desire therin as some of her cheefe Councellours to whom he had cōmunicated his mind in that matter did publiquelie testifie to the whole Realme at Paules Crosse Would God our sinnes and the Realmes could suffer her Maiesties wise Councellours to consider of the case with such sinceritie as were requisite for them selues and vs al who by their better or worse election in this one matter are like ether to be long happie or vnhappie for euer We trust the intollerable flatterie of this Libeller or other like telling her Maiesty Hovv al temporal princes haue superiours that she hath no superiour but God none aboue her but the Almightie none that she need to feare or care for but him and therfore that she hath not to regard anie sentence of Pope or others can much moue anie of their wisdomes this being a most shameful Heresie vntruth that a King hath no superiour in matters of his soule conscience When not onelie the general Pastor of the whole Church is his superiour if he be one of Christes flocke or fould al the sheepe wherof without exception by our maisters expresse sentence were committed to Peter his successours feeding and gouernment but also other Prelates of his owne kingdome that haue charge of his soule to whom likewise he oweth al Christian obedience in spiritual affaires no lesse then the poorest man in the Realme For kinges were not excepted from S. Paules rule and admonition giuen to al the faithful in thes wordes Obedite praepositis vestris subiacete eis Heb. 13. Obey your Prelates and be subiect vnto them wherof he yeeldeth immediatelie the cause For that they vvatch as being to render accompt of your soules If Princes then haue soules they must needes be vnder the accompt and charge of Prelates if they haue Prelates they must obey them and be subiect vnto them if they be bound to obey them and be subiect vnto them they must acknowledge them for their superiours How then say thes wicked flatterers that Kings Queens haue no superiors none to be subiect vnto but God That they be the cheefe eue● in causes ecclesiastical in matters of religion soule and conscience within their Realmes That neither Pope nor Prelate can excommunicate them or vse other discipline for correction of them when they fal from their faith If Theodosius the Emperour had had such bolsterers of his pride about him or so litle grace and wisdome as to haue giuen eare to them The exāple of Theodosius he would litle haue esteemed S. Ambrose authoritie sentence and censure against him But he was more happie and Christian then to plead his superioritie in such matters aboue his Bishop or to chalenge exemption or impunitie in this world for what so euer he did or beleeued and onelie to be reserued to God And it is a singular note of irreligiositie in our dayes that thes prophane Heretiques godles persons doe prefer humane thinges before diuine the regiment temporal before spiritual the bodie before the soule earth before heauen Regalitie before Priesthood and this life before the next and al eternitie Which is an euident demonstration that al tendeth in this Heresie to plaine Paganisme and Epicurisme esteeming and admiring none but such as be in worldlie height power dignitie that can yeeld them thes transitorie honours pleasures and preferments The sayings and doings of ancient Fathers in this case But the truth of this matter may and ought to be learned partlie of the old glorious and most excellēt Doctors and Bishops of the primitiue Church and partlie by the behauiour of the first great Emperours and Kinges that were professours and defendours of the Catholique faith VVhat is more honorable saith S. Ambrose then that the Emperour be called a child of the Church Epist 33. for a good Emperour is vvithin the Church and not aboue the Church And S. Chrisostome admonishing Priestes of their dutie in keeping from the holie altar great offendours expreslie warneth them to vse their authoritie therin euen towardes Kinges or what soeuer they be VVhether saith he he be Duke Prefect or crouned Prince that vvould vnvvorthilie approche Hom. 60. ad Popul 83. in Math. forbid him thy authoritie povver is greater thē his So S. Gregorie Naziāzene speaketh to his owne Emperour The lavve of Christ hath made you subiect to my povver and to my tribunal for vve haue our soueraintie Orat. ad Ciues Nazianz. and that more excellent and perfect vnlesse the spirit should subdue it self to the flesh and heauenlie thinges yeeld to the earthlie VVhich my libertie of speech I feare not O Emperour but thou vvilt allovve seeing thou art an holie sheepe of my sacred fold and a pupil of the great Pastor and vvel instructed by the holie-Ghost from thine infancie Also S. Athanasius plainlie auoucheth and proueth the Emperour Constantius the Arrian Epist ad Solit. vit degent to be the precursor of Antichrist in that he made him self iudge superiour in causes ecclesiastical ouer Bishops and that his arrogated preeminence and exercise of iurisdiction in such matters which our gentle
intended to bestowe certaine bookes of prayers and spiritual exercises and meditations which he had in his custodie Which may suffice to refute th' aduersaries asseueration that none haue bene tormented for other matter then treason But the wordes of M. Thomas Cotam M. Cotam vttered in sense at the barre and thus verbatim left in writing discouereth the case more plainlie to the shame of this cruel heresie for aduauncement wherof so shameful thinges be committed Thus therfore he spake and auouched openlie in the presence of the racke masters In-deed quoth he yow ar searchers of secrettes for yow wolde needes knowe of me what penaunce I was enioined by my ghostlie father for my sinnes committed and I acknowledge my frailtie that to auoide the intollerable torment of the racke I confessed God forgiue me what they demaunded therin but when they further vrged me to vtter also what my sinnes were for which that penaunce was enioined me a lothesome and vnchristian question I then answered that I wolde not disclose my offences sauing to God and to my ghostlie father alone Wherupon they sore tormented me and stil pressed me with the same demaund and I persisted that it was a most barbarous inhumane question and that I wolde not answere though they tormented me to death Thus spake M. Cotam at his arreignmēt wherwith the enimies being ashamed the Lieutenāt of the Tower ther present begā to denie the whole wherūto M. Cotā replied againe thus And is not this trew Here is present D. Hammō with the rest of the commissioners that were at my racking to whos consciences I appeale God is my witnesse that it is most trew and you knowe that Sir George Carie Sir George Carie. did aske me thes vnnatural questions denie it if you can In truth al your torture and demaundes euerie one were of no other treasons but matter of mere conscience faith and religion or els of such folies as I haue rehearsed As for the moderation great pitie and courtisie which by your Libel you wold haue the world beleue her Maiesties ministers haue euer vsed The crueltie in racking Catholiques in giuing the torment to the persons aforesaid and other Catholiques the poore innocentes haue felt it and our Lord God knoweth the contrarie And we can put you in remembrance that you did it with extreame rigour and dispite commonlie vpon no dew presumption nor reasonable suspition of discouerie of anie important matter therby Looke in your recordes what suspicion of treasons or great matters you could haue in yong Sherwood who was the first in our memorie that was put to the rack for matters of conscience then when no man dreamed of anie thes feined new conspiracies See whether a portable Altare be a sufficient cause to giue the torture to a graue worshipful person not so much as suspected of treason or anie disobedience other then in cases of conscience Whether bookes of prayers and meditations spiritual or the printing and spreading of them be a racke-matter in anie common wealth Christian Looke whether your ordinarie demaundes were of that weight and qualitie as were to be answered by cōstraint of the racke Let the world see what one confession of treasonable matter you haue wrested out by the so often tormenting of so many and what great secresies touching the state which you pretend so earnestlie to seeke for you haue found amongst them al No no nothing was ther in thos religious hartes but innocencie and true religion it is that which you punished tormēted and deadlie hated in them Yf they wold haue in the least pointe in the world condescended to your desires in that or but once for your pleasures presented them selues at your Schismatical prayers al racking treasons had bene cleared and past Wherbie al the world seeth you did al for religiō not as for anie conscience that way wherwith most of you ar not much troubled but because the particular state of a number dependeth on this new religion Remember whether you layd not M. Thomson on the racke against al good vse and order before you euer examined him what presumptions had you so pregnant that you must racke the famous man father Campion about the Irishe commotion or collection of monie for the maintenance of the same or of anie knowledge he had of killing the Greatest as you mistically speake in your booke Fol. 2. Haue you not ordinarilie threatned men with the rackes and dongeons and sometimes brought them to the racke-house doore yea and laid some on the racke without either cause or intent to touche thē but onely by thos terrors to driue them to denie their Faith or to confesse wher they had said masse or other like thinges which you desired to knowe How often haue you by famine and filthie dongeōs tormented the happie yong confessor M. Iohn Harte M. Harte which could not now be after his condemnation for anie thing els but for his religiō and because he wold not yeeld to one Rainoldes a minister with whom you appointed him to confere For what other cause did you threaten the torture to M. Osburne but to make him confesse that he had said Masse before the true noble confessors of Christ my L. Vaux and Sir Thomas Tressame And which is more vntollerable is not your racke vsed or threatned to force men by the feare therof to speake thinges against truthe by your appointment and speciallie for false accusation of innocent gentlemen In his epistle to D. Alane set forth in prīt Fo. 10 Iohn Nichols him self a protestant and one of your owne instrumentes hath acknowledged so muche ī publique writing affirming that Sir Owen Hopton lieutenant of the Tower enforced him to accuse diuers gentlemen by name of highe treason whom he neuer knew which he did to auoide his threatned tormentes as he writeth Thomson Borschoe Henslovve Clifton We speake nothing of the pitiful extremities you haue brought diuers vnto by horrible Fetters Stockes Dongeōs Famine Or of the deathe of welneare twenty happie Catholiques at once infected and pestered in Yorke prison wher they perished by the vnmercifulnesse of the protestantes of whom by no pitiful complaintes they could obteine libertie or freshe aire for the sauing their liues without condescending to goe to their abhominable seruice We tel you not here againe that for the more affliction of Catholiques a thing to be marked and lamented Most barbarous cruelties of al christian hartes that you haue prophanelie made choice of Sōdaies great Holidayes to practise your torments vpon them after th' olde fashion of the Pagans rather then vpon workedayes that you bring other catholique prisoners neare to the place of torment to heare their brethrens sorowful cries and eftsoons leade some newlie taken from the racke vnder their fellowe prisoners windowes and to their doores that by hearing their pitiful complaintes sighes and grones proceding of infinite paines they may relent in religion Of al which
that then were arraigned with him in iudgement as conspirators in one and the same treason before they met ther together at the barre nor euer knowen to the witnesses them selues The same serued against M. Shert that had not bene in ether place of manie years before Against M. Briant also and M. Richardson that neuer had bene in Rome nor in Remes of eight monethes before the time wherin the false witnesses fained the conspiracie to haue bene ther contriued Yea and against father Bosgraue it serued also that was neither Seminarie man nor sent by the Pope or Superiour nor acquainted with anie other English Priestes that returned home nor of the cause of their coming hauing bene so long absent in the North-partes of the world that he had in maner forgotten his owne language repairing home him self for his health onely and yet al or the most part of thes men being so different amongst them selues in age life state calling place of abode time of absence from their countrie and in the cause maner purpose of returning were condemned together at one barre for one and the self same particuler treason for cōspirīg forsooth her Maiesties death at Rome Rhems such and such dayes which in it self hath most manifest contradiction But yet when thes things were for the impossibilitie of the fact laid doune and opened at the barre by the holie Cōfessors them selues it preuailed nothing though otherwise also the euidence were giuen by such persons and of such matters as it was nether possible nor credible that they could be guiltie It was found sufficient for their condemnation that they had kissed the Popes foot that they were his scholars and had receaued Viaticum from him that they had seene or spoken with Cardinals in Rome and were made Priestes ether ther or at other places and finallie sent home by authoritie of their Superiours accompted enimies in the present state of our Countrie Which thinges together with the partial vnwonted and vnlawful dealing vsed in the proceeding of that day of their iudgement and the knowen innocent qualitie trade of the persons cleareth them against this Libel and al other false accusation whatsoeuer The protestations of the cōdemned at their deathes But most of al euery ones sincere protestation in the houre of their honorable conflict and Martyrdome that they were ignorant of al conspiracies and most innocent of that for which they were condemned in particuler cleareth thē throughly in the iudgment and conscience of euery reasonable man seing it is not probable that such men would against their consciences and against the truth haue auouched a falshood at that instant to the present and ●uerlasting perdition of their soules which would not relent in anie point of their faith to saue onely their temporal liues And this is also an inuincible proofe of their innocencie and that al was for Religion and nothing in truth for treason that yf they would haue confessed the Q. to be their Cheef in causes spiritual or haue relented in their religion they should haue had life and perdō which was profered to euery one of them not onely at th' execution but often before Yea for once going to their heretical seruice any of thos whō they pretend to be so deepe traitors might haue bene quit with fauour as also with great thākes goodlie preferments And plaine it is An euident reason that now at the houre of their death being past further feare of mans lawes yf they had ment any thing against the Q. person or had receaued order by their Superiours or had thought it agreable to their spiritual profession to deale in other matters then religion and conuersion of soules by preaching persuasiō praiers other preestly means they might haue spoken their mindes boldelie now at their passage and departure from this world M. Iames Laborne put to death at Lancaster as since that time we vnderstand that a certaine worshipful lay gētilman did who protested both at his arreignement and at his death that her Maiestie was not his lauful Quene for two respectes the one for her birth the other for the excommunication her Highnes hauing nether sought dispensation for the first nor absolutiō for the second But none of al our Priestes made any such answere nor otherwise vttered any vnlawful speach that might ether offend her Maiestie or the state present irritate enimie or scandalize frend Al their confessions both voluntarie and forced by torments ar extant in the persecutors handes is ther any word soundeth or smelleth of conspiracie They haue al sortes and sexes of Catholikes in prison for their faith Confessions of Catholiques and diuers honorable personages onely vpon pretence of dealing and conuersing with them hath any one of al the Realme in durance or at libertie by faire meanes or foule confessed that euer ether Priest or Iesuite perswaded them in Confession or otherwise to forsake the Q That euer they were absolued on that condition That euer they receaued Agnus-dei at their hādes or other spiritual token for earnest or prest to rebel and ioine with the enimie as this slaunderons Libel doth not so much auouch for that were intollerable as by guileful art insinuate without al proofe or probabilitie Wherin as at the place of their iudgement the Magistrate professing that nothing should be preiudicial vnto thē that touched onelie their religiō yet indeed had no other matter for their conuiction but the functions of their order Priesthood so this Libeller now pretending their treasons to be old and of an other sort and acquiting them for their Romish tokens ceremonies bookes beades and opinions as he speaketh yet cōninglie windeth him self about in wordes and onelie condemneth them in the end for the same not as capital forsooth in them selues but as seruiceable to the Pope and appliable to the benefite of rebels at home or abrode So cōninglie they play in such mens liues and deathes as our countrie was vnworthie of But now when thes innocent persons were condemned and so manie of them as they thought was necessarie for their practize Machiaueliā Policies executed because they perceiued great scruples and suspitious conceites to rise in al mens hartes and heades about the fact and vnwonted proceeding no man ether so euil or ignorant as to take thē guiltie of thos crimes wherof they were appeached and euerie man not so wise as to spie that it was done of necessarie policy without much regard of Conscience or diuinitie knowing also that one Iohn Nichols a Minister and protestāt who gaue the first false ouerture of this sinful stratageme touched by God absented him self at their condemnatiō and death and afterward cried the innocent men mercie vpon his knees In Roan 1583. confessing both by word and letter authenticallie recorded that partlie vpon his motion they had condemned innocent blood and that him self was forced by certaine persons in authoritie whom for honor sake we
put none to death for religion you haue no lawes to put anie man to death for his faith you haue purposelie repealed by a special statute made in the first yeare and parliament of this Q. reigne The difference of proceeding in Catholiques and protestātes al former lawes of the Realme for burning heretiques which smelleth of something that I need not here expresse you haue prouided at the same time that nothīg shal be deemed or adiudged Heresie but by your Parliament Con●ocatiō you haue not yet set doune by anie new lawe what is Heresie or who is an Heretique Therfore you ●an nether adiudge of our doctrine as of heresie nor of ●s as of heretiques nor haue you any lawe left wherby ●o execute vs and so to put anie of vs to death for religion is against Iustice lawe and your owne profession and doctrine But neuerthelesse you doe torment and punish vs both otherwise intollerablie and also by death most cruel and that as we haue prooued for Agnus deis for ministring the holie Sacraments for our obedience to the Sea Apostolique for persuading our frendes to the Catholique fayth for our Preisthod for studying in the Societie or Colledges beyond the seas and such like which you haue ridiculouslie made treason but after-ward being ashamed of the foule absurditie acknowledge them to be matters of religion and such as none shall die for And therfore we most iustelie make our complaint to God man that you doe vs plaine violence persecute vs wythout al equitie and order On thother side Q. Marie against the Protestants executed onely the old lawes of our countrie and of al Christendome made for punishment of heretiques by the Canons and determination of al Popes Counsels Churches Ecclesiastical tribunals of the world allowed also and authorised by the ciuil and imperial lawes and receaued by al kingdomes Christian besides and who thē hath any cause iustly to be greeued Why should any man complaine or thinke strange for executing the lawes which are as ancient as general as godly against Heretiques as they are for the punishment of traitors murderers or theeues Secondly we complaine iustly of persecution for that our cause for which we suffer is the faith of al our Forefathers the faith of our persecutors owne auncestors the faith into which our countrie was conuerted and by which we ar called Christian the faith of the Catholique Churches Kingdoms round about vs the faith that we promised in our regeneratiō and therfore can not be forced from it nor punished for it by any lawe of God Nature or Nations VVhy Heretiques may be forced to the Catholique faith though born and bredd vp in Heresie Wher contrariwise thos that in our time or otherwise haue fallen from that faith which not onely their elders religiously receaued but them selues also for most part were many years brought vp in or if not yet had they promised and vowed the same by their parentes and spiritual suerties though protestants in their Baptisme wherin solemne promise is both made and taken to folow the Catholique Church faith with abhomination of al heresies sectes whatsoeuer thes men I say though borne of parēts ether Arrians Macedonians Pelagiās Anabaptistes Zwinglians Protestants or other sect or opinion are not permitted and much lesse charged or bound as the Libellerful ignorantly surmiseth to hold that profession of peculiar Heresie Fol. 9. wherin they were first brought vp seing they can not be deemed to haue professed that sect in their Baptisme or as idly this poore deuine addeth in their Confirmation which was first taught them by their maisters of error according to the time or place of their first education but are to be instructed how that their profession in Baptisme was of the true Catholique receaued knowē Christian faith dispersed ouer the world in Christ his Church wherunto they afterward stand bound and consequentelie by al lawe both deuine and humane may be inforced albeit their actual baptisme or education were neuer so much amongest heretiques So that as no lawe of God or man can force vs to be protestantes no more can any reason be alledged nor iust excuse made for ether yong or old why being baptized or brought vp amongst Arrians or Caluinists they may not be forced to returne to the Catholique Church and faith againe And we may maruel in what age or world those people were borne which the Libeller noteth to haue bene burned in Q. Maries time Fol. 9. hauing neuer heard as he sayeth of any other religion then that for which they suffred For the sect which they pretended to die for was not extant in England aboue fiue or six years before in the short reigne of K. Edward the sixt or rather of his protectour for before that in K. Henries dayes the same profession was accompted heresie and the professours therof were burned for Heretiques and that by publique lawes no lesse then in the reigne of Q. Marie But the truth is that because we Catholique Christian men doe iustly ground our selues vpō the former professiō of our faith notoriously knowen to be and to be called Catholique thes men apishlie would imitate our phrase and argument in a thing as far differing as heauen and hel Thirdlie we say that we haue iust cause to complaine of this present persecution The maner of proceedīg in persecuting protestants for that the maner of it is such and the proceding so conformable to the old Pagane Heretical and Apostatical fashion and dealing against Gods Church and children that nothing can be more like They hated al Catholiques and compted them traitors so doe you They speciallie persecuted Byshops Priestes and religious so doe you They killed them indeed for their beleef but yet pretended othe● crymes more odious and speciallie matters of conspiracie and rebellion against the ciuil magistrate so doe you They droue the innocent by captious interrogatories into dangers of lawes that neuer offended the lawes so doe you They pressed men by torments to denie their fayth vnder colour of trying their secret intentes against the Prince so doe you They punisshed and haue put to death one Catholique for an other mans fault of the same profession and vpo● general supposals common to al of the same faith made away whom they lyst so doe you I referre th● indifferent readers to the persecution of Iulianu● Apostata of the Gothes and Vandals in Italie and Affrique It is not onelie the slaughter of manie and them speciallie the Priestes of God which is most proper to heretical persecution but th' other infinite spoile of Catholique mens goods honors and libertie by robbing them for receyuing Priestes hearing Masse retayning Catholique Schoolmasters keeping catholique seruantes mulcting them by twentie poundes a moneth which by their cruel accompt they make thirtene-skore a yeare for not repairing to their damnable Schismatical seruice By which a number of auncient gentlemen fal to extremitie ether