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A10620 An animadversion to Mr Richard Clyftons advertisement Who under pretense of answering Chr. Lawnes book, hath published an other mans private letter, with Mr Francis Iohnsons answer therto. Which letter is here justified; the answer therto refuted: and the true causes of the lamentable breach that hath lately fallen out in the English exiled Church at Amsterdam, manifested, by Henry Ainsworth. Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622? 1613 (1613) STC 209; ESTC S118900 140,504 148

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wicked spirit c. The Pope maketh his boast that he is the High Preist he is of equal power with Peter he cannot err he is head and spouse of the Church c. Mahomet braggeth also that he is that great Prophet the promised Messias the Apostle of both testaments c. He is wel contented that Christ be an holy Prophet and a most worthy creature yea the word of God the sowl of God and the spirit of God conceived of the Holy Ghost but he wil in no case grant him to be the Son of God nor that he dyed here for mans redemtion Both these two mainteyners of mischief allow Moses law the Psalter the Prophets and the Gospel yea they commend them advance them sing them read them honour them c. yet wil they have their own filthy lawes preferred above them the Pope his execrable decrees and Mahomet his wicked Alkoran ells wil they murther men without measure Thus though they outwardly appear very vertuous yet are they the malignant Ministers of Satan denying the Lord which hath redeemed them By these may wee mesure their inferiour Merchants having their livery mark I might allege many moe especially of the Martyrs in England which dyed in this testimonie against that false whore but it is ynough that Gods word dooth condemn her as before is manifested The 6. point of difference in the letter WE had learned that al particular congregations are by al means convenient to have the counsel and help one of another in al needful affaires of the Church as mēbers of one body in the common faith yet here when differences had arisen about our common faith and could not amongst our selves be cōposed they would not desire nor consent to have desired the help of our sister Church at Leyden although it were instantly urged by many members that their assistance should be had With this they joyn the 9. out of the printed copy to the effect of the former Against this they except 1. that though for some reasons they absteyned from desiring it or sending for them or giving their consent so to doo yet they were content to permitt it which was not a denying of the practise of it as the printed copy objecteth c 1 Cor. 7.6 Deut. 24.1 I answer the scriptures on which we grounded that article being Act. 15. chap. 1. Cor. 14.33.36 shew an other manner of dutie then a permission For when dissention had arisen in the church of Antioch they ordeyned that some should goe up to Ierusalem unto the Apostles Elders about the question And the messengers were sent forth of the Church and were received by the Church at Ierusalem the Apostles and Elders who came togither with one accord after discussing and agreement wrote to the Church of Antioch what had seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to them And Paul sheweth a reason of such mutual entercourse when he sayth Came the word of God out from you eyther came it unto yow onely 1 Cor. 14.36 Wherfore seing the word of God was come unto the Church of Leyden as unto us and considering the practise that was in the APOSTOLIKE Churches heretofore and our profession to walk according it is but a sory answer to say they would permitt of it if others did it as Moses permitted the bill of divorse for the hardnes of mens harts and as Paul spake a thing by permission not by commandement For we think those Apostolical practises Act. 15. to be in sted of commandements unto us Philip. 3.17 And our Confession noteth it as a dutie even by al means convenient By this al may see how weak a defense they make for their proceedings Their reasons folow 1. that the other Church we were in peace togither if by this occasiō the peace should be brokē they should not say they sēt for thē I answer this exceptiō wil lye against al Churches in the world that are at peace and might have been objected by the contentious at Antiochia Act. 15. and wil be colour to cut off al use of that practise and of our former profession 2. That the Church of Leyden was in the same error with us who desired their help I answer this also might the troublers of the Church in Antioch have objected as colourably against the Church of Ierusalem Act. 15. it is a barr to cut of al help from other Churches Yea if any heresie be raysed by the officers in a Church contrary to their former faith they may thus except against al Churches unless they wil fal into the same errors with them 3 Thirdly they allege former experience with others I answer we never had experiēce of the like M. Smyth in deed leaving the truth and broaching his heresie against the translated scripture would needs publish it in our Church It is one thing to raise up a new error as did he an other thing to mainteyn the ancient faith as did the Church of Leyden with us So that which they fourthly allege is but a pretence that al wil make be their errors never so new they that urged circumcision Act. 15. could plead the anciēt practise in Israel farr better then these our opposites can doo for the power of their Eldership 4 Their next exception about a letter written by some to that church a copy wherof was desired but not granted c. is an occasion taken by that accident But they know that before that letter was written they signified their unwillingnes to intreat their help and now were glad that they had gotten a show to hold them off 2. For the Letter mentioned I did think it was meet they should have sent it and so I wish they had though they shewed reasons of their not doing it for the present but have since that time sent thē a copy 5. They next object my own subscribing of those letters to Leyden c ask whether I denyed the practise of that article c. I answer first I had sundry times signified in publick my mind that their help should be desired in the end if we could not agree but we would first use al means among our selves so I never was of their mind who refused absolutely to desire their help this they wel know Secondly I subscribed those Letters because I thought it meet that a copy of the foresayd letter should have been sent as before I signified Thirdly for the last letter which to my remembrance I consented to they know I refused to subscribe it til some words which implied an absolute denyal of requesting their help were put out and changed Fourthly when no means among our selves could end the strife they know how I both intreated them to consent they might be sent for when they would not my self went and obteyned their cōming In deed I was loth to trouble them without urgent cause with my brethren
because the Idolaters heretofore repenting forsaking their false synagogues and lying signes in thē usurped needed not a new outward cutting or circumcising as is shewed at large in our former writings Discoverie p. 116. 120. Apologie p. 110. 113. For though the degree of syn in Rome be greater by farr then that of Apostate Israel as elswhere is also manifested yet seing they then were fallen from God and from his church and so were divorsed from the Lord and were not his wife but dead in their synns the ordinances of God which they in shew reteyned could not be unto them the signes and seals of forgivnes of synns and of life eternal and therfore were in their use of them false and deceytful as were also the ordinances of God reteyned in other nations as Altars Sacrifices Preists tithes firstfruits incense meat offrings drink offrings feasts baptismes or washings anoyntings excōmunications prayers vowes many the like wherof al histories doo bear record that the Gentiles did reteyn them 2. They proceed secondly and say Jf the baptism had in the church of Rome be not true baptisme then it is not the Lords baptisme and then they which have no other but it should get the Lords baptisme afore they come to the Lords table to eat the Lords supper c. I answer this reason is the same in effect with the former and there answered as also long agoe objected by the enemies of the truth and refuted by M. Barrow We have gotten the Lords baptisme by coming to the Lord in true faith and repentance who baptiseth us with the wholy Ghost and with fyre As for the outward washing which we had it need not be repeted as before is shewed and we may as lawfully eat the Lords supper without a new washing as the Idolatrous Israelites turning to the Lord might eat the passover with out a new cutting or circumcising 2. Chron. 30.1.5.11.18.19.20.21.25 Ezra 6.21 So wheras they charge us with profaning the Lords table it is turned upon their own heads for they have these many yeres professed the Romish baptisme to be not a true but a false Sacrament whiles yet without a new washing they did partake of the Lords supper If this be to pollute and prophane it as now they press us why doo they not first repent themselves of such prophanation why cal they not in their former writings and refute them 3. Agayn they dispute ther is but one baptism Eph. 4.5 Baptisme in the church of Rome eyther is that one baptisme or is not it Jf it be that one then is it true baptism if not then they which have no other but it have not that one baptisme and therfore must get it c. I answer 1. This agayn is the same argument with the former and before answered 2. This ground from Eph. 4.5 was that which Cyprian builded on who taught rebaptising of such as had been baptised by heretiks whose arguments seing our Adversaries thus urge we pray them tel us whither they be of Cyprians mind for rebaptising and if they be wherein they differ in that point from Anabaptists If they be not then it seemeth they hold that al such as are baptised by hereticks Antichrists excommunicates schismatiks and other like have that one true baptisme of God Eph. 4.5 and so have the seal from God of forgivenes of synns and are one body with thēselves And if not then they reason but for fashion sake to trouble us and the world with questions 4. Furthermore they argue such baptism is eyther a seal of Gods covenant or not Jf it be then sure it is true baptisme Jf not then 1. they which have no other baptisme must with the Anabaptists get another that they may be assured they have the seal of Gods covenant c. 2. then that ther neyther have been nor shal be in Babylō any of Gods people c. Rev. 18.4 3. then baptism now had in Apostate churches is not answerable to the circumcision had in the Apostasie of Jsrael for that was true circumcision c. I answer they may by a litle varying of words make an 100. such reasons alone and the same al begging the question and prooving nothing What one scripture or reason frō thence is here brought to prove Antichrists baptism true baptisme Let any mā define by the word true Christiā baptism then compare therwith the blasphemous Christening before set out from Bellarmine and he shall see what accord is between them And wheras the burden of these mens song is wee must ells baptise agayn this is no proof at al for besides that which is before answered what if it be our errour that we baptise not agayn wher be then all their proofs are they not vanished into smoke Verily I should much rather incline to Cyprians error though I am farr from it for a new washing then approve the sacrilegious washing used by that man of syn with most high dishonour to the blood of Christ to be that one true Christian baptism the seal of Gods covenant For that of Rev. 18.4 because God caleth his people out of Babylon therfore Babylons baptisme is true baptisme is without all colour of reason As if one should argue thus God by Ieremie caled his people out of Babylon Ier. 51 45. therfore Babylons sacrifices and sacraments were true Who would not rather conclude hereby the contrary God caleth his people out of her therfore she vvith all her counfeyt service sacraments apish imitation of Gods holy things are detestable and cursed Agayn a people may be Gods though unbaptised as the uncircumcised Israelites vvere Gods people Deut. 29.10 13. vvith Josh. 5 4 5. The 3. point of Israels circumcision to be true is but barely by them affirmed vvithout proof and is before disproved And if they shal continue thus to say al things and prove nothing I vvill never trouble my self more to ansvver their discourses 5. Finally they reason if baptisme in Rome be not true baptism then as we also sayd it is an idol bearing shew and image of that which it is not in truth And jdols ar things of naught c. and so baptisme in Rome is a thing of naught and to be estemed as nothing in the world as filth or doung c. I answer idols are of two sorts some merely devised by men as Ieroboams calves some perverted by men from holy signes to Idols as the brazen Serpent Both these kinds are in popish baptisme For their crosses exorcismes greasings c. are Idols of the first sort worse then Ieroboams bullocks their washing with water in nomine patris c. is of the second sort that is Gods ordinance turned into an Idol as was the brazen Serpent Thus is there a mixture in Antichrists Christening of both sorts of abominations Therfore have we renounced that Romish baptisme as an impure idol in their abuse standing
Ministerie though with corruptions how wil they be able to bear out such as are excōmunicated for so great contempt and errour 3. Thirdly as Antichristians doo excōmunicate such as they should not so doo they baptise such as they ought not even open impenitent Idolaters and their seed the generation of Vipers which Iohn Baptist would refuse Yea Mr Iohnson himself hath sayd of a better estate then Romes that Gods covenant is sacrilegiously violated whiles it is sayd to the open wicked in delivering them the seals of Gods covenant Thou art righteous Therfore if the Popes excōmunicatorie bulls are but bubbles because they are unjustly executed his baptisme also will be found but a fiction no true seal of salvation to such as receive it of him Finally touching circumcision I think it cannot be manifested that any people 's fallen from God and his Church using it colourablie for a religious action as al Antichristians and heretiks doo baptism at this day did or were bound to cutt their foreskin the second time if they came unto the truth of God as for example the Colchians Aegyptians and Aethiopians whom histories mentiō to be circumcised or the Samaritans whom Mr Iohnson acknowledgeth to have stil vsed circumcision Hereunto we may add out of the Iewish records how they hold that Al have leav to circumcise yea though it be an uncircumcised person or a servant or a woman or a child circumcising in the place where ther is no man But an hethen may not circumcise at al yet if he doo circumcise ther is no need to return circumcise the second time If this rule stand we shal not need to repeat our outward washing in baptism though given us by Antichrist or any other aliants from the church covenant of promise Of the Church of Rome The Church of Rome being acknowledged by al that fear God to be the throne of Antichrist Mr Iohnson himself having professed that the hierachie and Church-constitution of Antichrist is the most detestable anarchie of Satan that ever was yet imitating now M. Gifford M. Bernard and other professed enemies of the truth he pleads for that Church after this manner The Apostle expressly teacheth that Antichrist should sit in the Temple of God 2. Thes. 2 4. And by the Temple understanding the Church of God it wil folow that Antichrist should sit in the Church of God and is there to be sought and found and not among Jewes Turks Pagans c. neyther that Antichrist takes away wholly the church of God and every truth and ordinance of the Lord c. I answer truth errour are closely couched togither in this their plea for the discerning wherof we are to consider first how Antichrists church is described in Gods word secondly what the state of the church of Rome is at this day The Antichristian synagogue is by the holy Ghost caled a Beast which signifyeth a kingdom it is named also a great citie which noteth the largenes of that politie and kingdom It cometh up out of the earth as being of this world which Christs kingdom that cōmeth down from heaven is not and therfore is caled a man of syn and a great whore whose head is Abaddon or Apollyon the destroyer of others and himself the son of perdition and they that follow him are the children of damnation This wicked generation warreth against the Lamb Christ and against the saincts blasphemeth Gods name tabernacle and them that dwel in heaven ●hat is the true Church whose conversation is heavenly Yet doo they all this mischeif under shew of Christian religion therfore this beast hath horns like the Lamb Christ this whore is arayed with purple skarlet guilded with gold precious stones and pearles as if she were the Queen and spowse of Christ she hath peace offrings Vovves as if she were devowt in Gods service bread and waters as ready to refresh the weary sowls Her doctrines sweet amiable lye● spoken in hypocrisie but yet confirmed with signes and miracles as if they came from heaven her power and efficacie great prevayling over the many and the mighty the Kings Princes of world deceiving al nations with her inchantments and if it were possible Gods very elect her continuance and outward prosperitie long her end miserable consumed with the spirit of the Lords mouth and abolished with the brightnes of his cōming and for her destruction the heavens shall rejoyce and sing praises to God Now for to find the accomplishment of these things we are directed by the now Romish religion to a Catholik or Vniversal church one part wherof lives on earth an other under the earth and a third part in heaven 1. On earth is the whole multitude of such as are named Christians through the world united as a catholik body under one visible head the Pope who with his 2 horns like the Lamb pretendeth to be Christs Vicar in the Kingdom Preisthood and is professed of his vassals to be that tri●d precious corner stone that sure foundation in Sion Jsa 28.16 and it is declared defined and pronounced that it is of necessity to salvation for al men to be subject unto him Vnder this Captain are three bands of souldiers the first clergie men as Bishops Preists Deacons Subdeacons and the rest of those shavelings the second Lay men as Kings Pinces Nobles Citizens and Commons of al sorts and vocations the third sort is both of the Clergie and Laitie caled Monks or Regulars 2. Vnder the earth or in Purgatorie fyre are the sowles they say of al such as dye with venial synns whose payns are to be holpen by prayers and masses sayd for them by such as are alive on earth 3. In heaven are the sowls of men departed in the popish fayth and delivered from purgatorie some of which the Pope canonizeth for Saincts whom the people on earth are religiously to honour and pray unto as their mediators with God This church on earth cannot err in things which it commandeth men to beleev o● doo whither they be expressed in scripture or not therfore men must beleev in her and trust her in al things for the truth of the faith as touching us relyeth upon her authoritie and she hath power to make lawes which doo bind and constreyn mens consciences These things premissed I come to our Opposites arguments Their first reason from 2. Thes. 2.4 is unperfectly alledged for the text there sayth of the man of syn that he dooth sit as God in the Tēple of God wherupon their conclusion must be that Antichrist sitteth as God in the church of God And if they can prove that he is the true God I wil yeild that his temple is the true temple his Church the true