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A65699 A discourse concerning the idolatry of the Church of Rome wherein that charge is justified, and the pretended refutation of Dr. Stillingfleet's discourse is answered / by Daniel Whitby ... Whitby, Daniel, 1638-1726.; Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. 1674 (1674) Wing W1722; ESTC R34745 260,055 369

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worship_v the_o sun_n moon_n and_o star_n and_o all_o the_o host_n of_o heaven_n with_o all_o the_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n that_o have_v be_v use_v by_o the_o heathen_a world_n nay_o shall_v he_o have_v as_o many_o petty_a and_o inferior_a god_n as_o egypt_n rome_n or_o the_o whole_a heathen_a world_n do_v ever_o own_o and_o shall_v perform_v that_o homage_n which_o according_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o those_o nation_n where_o they_o be_v receive_v be_v due_a unto_o they_o yet_o will_v he_o not_o be_v guilty_a of_o the_o least_o idolatry_n because_o he_o can_v not_o possible_o conceive_v they_o to_o be_v the_o great_a creator_n or_o the_o high_a god_n and_o yet_o conceive_v the_o true_a god_n to_o be_v only_o so_o 2._o hence_o it_o will_v clear_o follow_v that_o those_o christian_n who_o refuse_v to_o sacrifice_n or_o offer_v incense_n unto_o the_o image_n and_o statue_n of_o the_o heathen_a emperor_n and_o to_o those_o daemon_n which_o they_o worship_v as_o inferior_a being_n and_o subject_a to_o that_o be_v who_o the_o heathen_n style_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o the_o supreme_a and_o high_a god_n be_v miserable_o out_o and_o wretched_o deceive_v in_o their_o apprehension_n for_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o all_o their_o writing_n and_o by_o the_o accusation_n of_o their_o adversary_n that_o they_o refuse_v to_o pay_v this_o homage_n to_o they_o because_o they_o think_v it_o be_v idolatry_n whereas_o according_a to_o this_o rule_n it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o they_o who_o own_v the_o true_a jehovah_n in_o contradiction_n to_o all_o other_o can_v commit_v that_o sin_n or_o just_o be_v suspect_v of_o it_o 3._o the_o christian_n constant_o pronounce_v the_o heathen_n guilty_a of_o idolatry_n in_o worship_v their_o lesser_a deity_n and_o when_o the_o arian_n and_o nestorian_n spring_v up_o they_o with_o one_o voice_n pronounce_v they_o guilty_a of_o the_o like_a heinous_a crime_n because_o by_o give_v that_o homage_n which_o the_o orthodox_n conceive_v due_a to_o god_n to_o he_o who_o they_o affirm_v to_o be_v only_a man_n they_o do_v 510._o do_v basil_n hom._n 27._o ed._n paris_n p._n 510._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i.e._n they_o introduce_v that_o idolatry_n the_o heathen_n practise_v the_o angelitae_n as_o b._n as_o nomo_n can._n tit._n 12._o c._n 8._o cod._n can._n ecc._n uniu._n cant._n 139._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d epiph._n haer._n 79._o p._n 1061._o b._n photius_n or_o the_o angelick_n as_o st._n austin_n style_v they_o who_o pray_v to_o angel_n and_o by_o they_o thought_n to_o have_v access_n unto_o the_o father_n the_o church_n of_o god_n do_v ancient_o condemn_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o be_v guilty_a of_o occult_a idolatry_n the_o collyridians_n who_o offer_a cake_n unto_o the_o bless_a virgin_n be_v say_v to_o do_v a_o devilish_a work_n and_o introduce_v a_o custom_n which_o make_v they_o guilty_a of_o idolatry_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v exceed_o manifest_a that_o neither_o any_o of_o those_o heathen_n do_v conceive_v those_o petty_a god_n as_o they_o be_v please_v to_o style_v they_o the_o supreme_a be_v or_o the_o great_a creator_n of_o the_o world_n nor_o can_v the_o like_a conception_n of_o christ_n the_o bless_a virgin_n or_o the_o angel_n be_v any_o way_n consistent_a to_o that_o christianity_n which_o the_o arian_n angelick_n and_o collyridians_n do_v constant_o profess_v as_o for_o the_o heathen_n their_o daemon_n be_v account_v 417._o account_v plutarc_n de_fw-fr def._n or._n p._n 416_o 417._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o minister_n of_o god_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d secundary_a god_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d minister_a spirit_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sen_fw-la 45._o sen_fw-la apuleus_n de_fw-fr daemon_n socratis_n p._n 45._o potestatis_fw-la mediae_n a_o middle_a sort_n of_o intercessor_n 840_o intercessor_n sen_n
be_v more_o absurd_a to_o think_v i_o shall_v be_v damn_v only_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o defect_n or_o wickedness_n of_o other_o which_o yet_o all_o r._n catholiek_n stand_v bind_v as_o firm_o to_o believe_v as_o any_o other_o doctrine_n of_o that_o church_n for_o it_o be_v certain_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n 7._o rome_n quoties_fw-la infans_fw-la aut_fw-la adultus_fw-la versatur_fw-la in_o aquavitae_fw-la periculo_fw-la potest_fw-la sine_fw-la solemnitate_fw-la à_fw-la quocunque_fw-la baptizari_fw-la servata_fw-la tamenforma_fw-la &_o intention_n ecclesia_fw-la ritual_fw-la rom._n de_fw-fr bap._n p._n 7._o that_o where_o the_o perfect_a form_n of_o baptism_n or_o the_o intention_n of_o 34._o of_o quicquid_fw-la enim_fw-la horum_fw-la deficit_fw-la scihect_n materia_fw-la debita_fw-la forma_fw-la cum_fw-la intention_n non_fw-la conficitur_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la miss_n rom._n p._n 34._o do_v what_o the_o churth_n do_v be_v want_v the_o person_n that_o be_v bring_v unto_o the_o fout_n be_v not_o baptise_a and_o it_o be_v also_o the_o definition_n of_o that_o church_n 5._o church_n siquis_fw-la dixerit_fw-la bapti●mum_fw-la liberum_fw-la esse_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la necessarium_fw-la ad_fw-la salutem_fw-la anathema_n sit_v coxcil_n trid._n sess_n 7_o de_fw-fr bept_fw-fr can._n 5._o that_o baptism_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o consequent_o that_o no_o unbaptised_a person_n can_v be_v save_v and_o hence_o the_o roman_a ritual_n speak_v thus_o 5._o thus_o ritual_a rom._n de_fw-fr bapt._n p._n 5._o that_o holy_a baptism_n the_o gate_n of_o christian_a religion_n and_o eternal_a life_n 11.5.31_o life_n nihil_fw-la magi●_n necessarium_fw-la videri_fw-la potest_fw-la quàm_fw-la ut_fw-la doceatur_fw-la omnibus_fw-la hominibus_fw-la baptismi_fw-la legem_fw-la a_o domino_fw-la praescriptam_fw-la esse_fw-la ita_fw-la ut_fw-la niu_fw-la per_fw-la baptifmi_fw-la gratiam_fw-la deo_fw-la renascantur_fw-la in_fw-la sempirernam_fw-la miseriam_fw-la &c_n &c_n interitum_fw-la a_o parentibus_fw-la sive_fw-la illi_fw-la fiddle_n sive_fw-la infideles_fw-la sint_fw-la procreentur_fw-la igitur_fw-la saepiùs_fw-la à_fw-la pastoribus_fw-la explicandum_fw-la crit_fw-fr quod_fw-la apud_fw-la evangelistam_fw-la legitur_fw-la nssiquis_fw-la renatus_fw-la suerit_fw-la ex_fw-la apua_fw-la &_o spiritu_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la int●oire_fw-la in_o reguum_fw-la dei_fw-la catechis_n rom._n part_n 2._o cap._n 11.5.31_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n be_v testify_v by_o truth_n itself_o in_o these_o expression_n unless_o a_o man_n be_v bear_v again_o etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o in_o the_o due_a ministration_n of_o it_o the_o great_a diligence_n be_v needful_a 2_o it_o be_v most_o certain_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o sinner_n be_v not_o absolve_v by_o the_o priest_n unless_o the_o 31._o the_o nihil_fw-la magis_fw-la necessarium_fw-la videri_fw-la potest_fw-la quàm_fw-la ut_fw-la doceatur_fw-la omnibus_fw-la hominibus_fw-la baptismi_fw-la legem_fw-la a_o domino_fw-la praescriptam_fw-la esse_fw-la ita_fw-la ut_fw-la nisi_fw-la per_fw-la baptismi_fw-la gratiam_fw-la deo_fw-la renascantur_fw-la in_fw-la sempiternam_fw-la miseriam_fw-la &_o anteritum_n a_o parentibus_fw-la sive_fw-la illi_fw-la fideles_fw-la sive_fw-la infideles_fw-la sint_fw-la procreentur_fw-la igitur_fw-la saepiùs_fw-la à_fw-la pastoribus_fw-la explicandum_fw-la crit_fw-fr quod_fw-la apud_fw-la evangelistam_fw-la legitur_fw-la nssi_fw-la quis_fw-la renatus_fw-la suerit_fw-la ex_fw-la aqua_fw-la &_o spiritu_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la introire_fw-la in_o regnum_fw-la dei_fw-la catechis_n rom._n part_n 2._o cap._n 11._o §._o 31._o priest_n intend_v to_o do_v it_o and_o yet_o that_o church_n define_v that_o this_o 2._o this_o siquis_fw-la dixerit_fw-la in_fw-la ministris_fw-la dum_fw-la sacra_fw-la mentum_fw-la conficiunt_fw-la &_o conferunt_fw-la non_fw-la requiri_fw-la intentionem_fw-la saltem_fw-la faciendi_fw-la quod_fw-la facit_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la anathema_n sit_v council_n trid._n sess_n 7._o cap._n 1._o can._n 11._o f_o est_fw-la autem_fw-la hoc_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la paenitentiae_fw-la lapsis_fw-la post_fw-la baptismum_fw-la ad_fw-la salutem_fw-la necessarium_fw-la ut_fw-la nondum_fw-la regeneratis_fw-la ipse_fw-la baptismus_fw-la ibid._n stss_n 14._o cap._n 2._o sacrament_n of_o penance_n be_v necefsary_a to_o salvation_n to_o those_o that_o after_o baptism_n do_v fall_v and_o tell_v the_o penitent_a 6._o penitent_a non_fw-la debet_fw-la poenitens_fw-la adeò_fw-la sibi_fw-la de_fw-la suaipsius_fw-la fide_fw-la blandiri_fw-la ut_fw-la etiam_fw-la si_fw-la nulla_fw-la illi_fw-la adsit_fw-la contritio_fw-la aut_fw-la sacerdoti_fw-la animus_n seriò_fw-la agendi_fw-la &_o verè_fw-la absolvendi_fw-la deslt_fw-la putet_fw-la tamen_fw-la se_fw-la propter_fw-la svam_fw-la solam_fw-la fidem_fw-la verè_fw-la &_o coram_fw-la deo_fw-la esse_fw-la absolutum_fw-la nec_fw-la enim_fw-la fides_fw-la sine_fw-la penitentia_fw-la remissionem_fw-la ullam_fw-la peccatorum_fw-la praestaret_fw-la nec_fw-la be_v esset_fw-la nisi_fw-la salutis_fw-la suae_fw-la negligentissimus_fw-la qui_fw-la sacerdotem_fw-la joco_fw-la se_fw-la absolventem_fw-la cognofceret_fw-la &_o non_fw-la alium_fw-la seriò_fw-la agentem_fw-la sedulò_fw-la requireret_fw-la ib._n cap._n 6._o he_o must_v not_o so_o far_o flatter_v or_o deceive_v himself_o as_o to_o expect_v to_o be_v absolve_v by_o god_n by_o reason_n of_o his_o faith_n if_o the_o priest_n do_v not_o in_o his_o mind_n intend_v true_o to_o absolve_v he_o and_o to_o act_v serious_o in_o the_o matter_n so_o that_o t._n g._n and_o all_o of_o his_o persuasion_n must_v recant_v this_o principle_n which_o he_o have_v here_o lay_v down_o and_o which_o shine_v with_o the_o bright_a evidence_n or_o else_o he_o must_v renounce_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o one_o will_v wonder_v at_o the_o stupidity_n 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lapsi_fw-la ad_fw-la luxum_fw-la libidinemque_fw-la plus_fw-la quam_fw-la profano_fw-la licet_fw-la tendebant_fw-la leges_fw-la latae_fw-la sunt_fw-la avent_n lib._n 4._o p._n 359._o isti_fw-la octo_fw-la pontifices_fw-la sequentes_fw-la brevi_fw-la tempore_fw-la sederunt_fw-la nescio_fw-la notabile_fw-la aliquid_fw-la de_fw-la ipsis_fw-la dicere_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la nisi_fw-la scandalosa_fw-la de_fw-la ipsis_fw-la reperi_fw-la fascic_fw-la p._n 67._o quod_fw-la proinde_fw-la seculum_fw-la ab_fw-la historicis_fw-la infaelix_fw-la inscribitur_fw-la genebrard_n ad_fw-la ann._n christi_fw-la 899._o nine_o 1000_o nine_o cent._n 10._o quo_fw-la tempore_fw-la ipsa_fw-la
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pauperem_fw-la dive_v ille_fw-la superbus_fw-la &_o sterilis_fw-la in_o medit_n suis_fw-la tormentis_fw-la vidit_fw-la à_fw-la longè_fw-la qutescentem_fw-la tom._n 8_o in_o psal_n 36._o fol._n 61._o g.h._n austin_n nondum_fw-la ibi_fw-la eris_fw-la qu●s_fw-la nescit_fw-la thou_o shall_v not_o as_o yet_o be_v there_o who_o know_v it_o not_o 2._o it_o be_v confess_v by_o many_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o if_o the_o saint_n decease_v do_v not_o hear_v and_o understand_v our_o prayer_n it_o be_v a_o vain_a and_o idle_a thing_n to_o pray_v unto_o they_o if_o this_o say_v 25._o say_v debeatitud_n disp_n 25._o lorca_n be_v not_o suppose_v by_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n she_o will_v first_o pray_v unto_o god_n to_o reveal_v our_o prayer_n and_o then_o will_v put_v up_o her_o petition_n to_o they_o now_o almost_o all_o the_o father_n cite_v by_o t.g._n hold_v that_o the_o dead_a do_v neither_o know_v nor_o be_v acquaint_v with_o our_o petition_n or_o our_o want_n or_o at_o the_o least_o they_o be_v of_o 472._o of_o s●etiam_fw-la ex●ra_fw-la corpus_fw-la positi_fw-la vel_fw-la sancti_fw-la qui_fw-la cum_fw-la christo_fw-la sunt_fw-la agunt_fw-la aliquid_fw-la &_o laboran●_fw-la pro_fw-la nohis_fw-la ad_fw-la similitudinem_fw-la angelorum_fw-la qui_fw-la salu●is_fw-la nost●ae_fw-la ministeria_fw-la procurant_fw-la habeatur_fw-la hoc_fw-la queque_fw-la inter_fw-la occulia_fw-la dei_fw-la ●ee_o char●ulae_fw-la committenda_fw-la mysteria_fw-la orig._n in_o rom._n l._n 2._o p._n 472._o origen_n opinion_n that_o it_o be_v doubtful_a whether_o they_o do_v or_o no._n thus_o ambrose_n speak_v of_o his_o dead_a brother_n say_v do_v thou_o now_o know_v how_o satyri_fw-la how_o si_fw-mi nunc_fw-la urgeri_fw-la italiam_fw-la tam_fw-la propinquo_fw-la bosie_n cognosceres_fw-la quantum_fw-la ingemisceres_fw-la ambros_n de_fw-fr obitu_fw-la sir_n satyri_fw-la italy_n be_v press_v with_o so_o near_o a_o enemy_n how_o will_v thou_o groan_v within_o thyself_o st._n hierom_n in_o nepotians_n epitaph_n profess_v he_o belieu_v he_o b._n he_o quicquid_fw-la dixero_fw-la quia_fw-la ille_fw-la non_fw-la audit_n m●tum_fw-la vide●ur_fw-la f._n 8._o b._n scimus_fw-la quidem_fw-la nepotianum_fw-la nostrum_fw-la esse_fw-la cum_fw-la christo_fw-la &_o sanctorum_fw-la mixtum_fw-la ch●ris_fw-la ib._n 1._o f●lix_fw-la nepotianus_n qui_fw-la haec_fw-la non_fw-la videt_fw-la felix_fw-la qui_fw-la haec_fw-la non_fw-la audit_n p._n 10._o b._n mingle_v among_o the_o choir_n of_o saint_n and_o yet_o he_o add_v whatsoever_o i_o shall_v say_v will_v be_v but_o speak_v to_o the_o deaf_a because_o he_o hear_v not_o and_o again_o happy_a be_v nepotian_n who_o neither_o hear_v nor_o see_v these_o thing_n 13._o thing_n ibi_fw-la ergo_fw-la sunt_fw-la spiritus_fw-la defunctoru●_n ubi_fw-la non_fw-la vident_fw-la quaecunque_fw-la aguntur_fw-la aut_fw-la eveniunt_fw-la in_o isrâ_fw-la vitâ_fw-la hominibus_fw-la de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la c._n 13._o the_o spirit_n of_o dead_a man_n be_v there_o where_o whatsoever_o thing_n be_v do_v or_o happen_v in_o this_o life_n to_o man_n they_o do_v not_o see_v they_o so_o st._n augustine_n and_o therefore_o anselm_n in_o his_o interlineal_a gloss_n upon_o that_o text_n abraham_n be_v ignorant_a of_o we_o note_v thus_o austin_n say_v that_o the_o dead_a do_v not_o know_v what_o the_o live_a do_v else_o where_o he_o be_v less_o positive_a and_o only_o say_v a._n say_v respondeo_fw-la magnam_fw-la quidem_fw-la esse_fw-la quaestionem_fw-la utrum_fw-la vel_fw-la quatenus_fw-la vel_fw-la quomodo_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la circa_fw-la nos_fw-la aguntur_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ver●nt_fw-la
advantage_n to_o our_o cause_n the_o father_n speak_v upon_o this_o text_n if_o we_o have_v nothing_o more_o to_o say_v but_o what_o they_o have_v deliver_v on_o these_o word_n yet_o shall_v we_o have_v what_o be_v abundant_o sufficient_a to_o confirm_v our_o faith_n and_o justify_v that_o imputation_n which_o we_o lie_v upon_o the_o cburch_n of_o rome_n for_o first_o they_o do_v express_o say_v that_o this_o exposition_n of_o t._n g._n and_o his_o infallible_a mother_n be_v not_o only_o false_a but_o a_o heretical_a exposition_n 15._o exposition_n ac_fw-la si_fw-la aliquis_fw-la haereticus_fw-la pertinaciter_fw-la obluctans_fw-la adversus_fw-la veritatem_fw-la voluerit_fw-la in_o his_o omnibus_fw-la exemplis_fw-la proprie_fw-la angelum_fw-la aut_fw-la intelligere_fw-la aut_fw-la intelligendum_fw-la esse_fw-la contenderit_fw-la in_o hoc_fw-la quoque_fw-la viribus_fw-la veritatis_fw-la frangatur_fw-la necesse_fw-la est_fw-la de_fw-fr trin._n c._n 15._o if_o any_o heretic_n say_v novatian_n who_o pertinacious_o strive_v against_o the_o truth_n will_v have_v we_o in_o all_o these_o example_n proper_o to_o understand_v the_o angel_n or_o will_v contend_v for_o such_o a_o sense_n of_o that_o expression_n in_o this_o he_o must_v assure_o be_v break_v by_o the_o force_n of_o truth_n this_o exposition_n of_o the_o papist_n say_v st._n cyril_n 115.116_o thesaur_n p._n 115.116_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i.e._n the_o sottish_a exposition_n of_o the_o arian_n the_o exposition_n of_o the_o protestant_n must_v therefore_o be_v both_o true_a and_o orthodox_n 2._o they_o add_v that_o 116._o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d cyril_n alexandr_n thesaur_n p._n 116._o if_o the_o enemy_n of_o christ_n do_v think_v that_o jacob_n be_v a_o holy_a man_n and_o one_o endn_v with_o the_o prophetic_a spirit_n when_o he_o speak_v these_o word_n they_o may_v be_v well_o ashamed_a to_o charge_v he_o with_o so_o gross_a a_o error_n as_o be_v the_o invocation_n of_o a_o angel_n with_o god_n this_o custom_n therefore_o of_o put_v up_o the_o same_o petition_n in_o the_o same_o sentence_n to_o god_n and_o to_o the_o bless_a angel_n or_o to_o god_n and_o to_o the_o saint_n or_o angel_n must_v be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v a_o thing_n arr._n thing_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d orat._n 4_o contr_n arr._n exceed_o repugnant_a to_o the_o doctrine_n which_o then_o obtain_v in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o that_o which_o they_o esteem_v the_o 115._o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d b._n cyrill_n alexandr_n thesau_n p._n 115._o gross_a error_n 3_o they_o give_v we_o this_o as_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n that_o jacob_n speak_v not_o to_o a_o creature_n because_o he_o say_v 260._o orat._n 4._o contra_fw-la arian_n p._n 260._o the_o angel_n that_o deliver_v i_o from_o all_o evil_n hence_o it_o be_v manifest_a say_v athanasius_n and_o st._n cyril_n that_o he_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o a_o create_a angel_n but_o of_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o covenant_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o these_o petition_n prescribe_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o often_o tender_v both_o to_o saint_n and_o angel_n be_v in_o the_o judgement_n of_o these_o father_n such_o as_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v tender_v to_o a_o creature_n and_o so_o be_v guilty_a of_o idolatry_n as_o therefore_o athanasius_n to_o the_o arian_n so_o say_v i_o to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n 369._o rome_n contr._n arian_n ora_fw-la 2._o p._n 369._o let_v they_o know_v that_o never_o any_o good_a man_n put_v up_o such_o a_o prayer_n to_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v beget_v they_o be_v teach_v by_o christ_n to_o pray_v to_o god_n the_o father_n to_o be_v deliver_v from_o all_o evil._n 8._o c._n 16._o v._n 8._o and_o by_o the_o son_n of_o syrach_n to_o confess_v that_o it_o be_v he_o who_o deliver_v from_o all_o evil_a and_o this_o interpretation_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n will_v manifest_o appear_v to_o be_v the_o truth_n if_o we_o consider_v who_o this_o angel_n be_v for_o the_o angel_n who_o deliver_v he_o from_o all_o evil_a must_v be_v that_o very_a angel_n which_o deliver_v he_o from_o laban_n wrath_n and_o from_o the_o fury_n of_o his_o brother_n esau_n now_o the_o angel_n which_o say_v unto_o he_o i_o have_v see_v all_o that_o laban_n do_v unto_o thou_o 13._o 31_o gen._n 13.20_o 28_o gen._n 13._o return_v thou_o therefore_o into_o the_o land_n of_o thy_o kindred_n be_v the_o god_n of_o bethel_n the_o god_n to_o who_o he_o vow_v a_o vow_n that_o god_n who_o do_v appear_v in_o haran_n to_o he_o it_o be_v the_o god_n of_o his_o father_n abraham_n and_o the_o fear_n of_o isaac_n that_o rebuke_v laban_n and_o charge_v he_o not_o to_o do_v he_o hurt_v 4._o v._o 29.42.32_o gen._n 23._o 12_o hos_fw-la 4._o the_o angel_n that_o he_o wrestle_v with_o and_o with_o who_o he_o prevail_v be_v the_o god_n of_o heaven_n last_o it_o be_v his_o prayer_n to_o this_o god_n that_o make_v his_o brother_n esau_n melt_v into_o expression_n of_o the_o great_a love_n 2._o i_o answer_v this_o be_v no_o prayer_n but_o a_o wish_v thus_o when_o st._n paul_n conclude_v in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n the_o grace_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n and_o the_o love_n of_o god_n 13.14_o 2_o cor._n 13.14_o and_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v with_o you_o all_o i_o hope_v he_o do_v not_o pray_v unto_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o love_n of_o god_n and_o the_o communication_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n so_o then_o this_o passage_n may_v be_v thus_o expound_v i_o wish_v to_o god_n that_o he_o and_o that_o good_a angel_n who_o under_o he_o preserve_v i_o from_o all_o evil_n may_v preserve_v the_o lad_n some_o roman_a catholic_n confess_v that_o which_o we_o now_o contend_v for_o and_o tell_v we_o 18._o vide_fw-la vossium_n de_fw-fr invoc_n sanct._n disp_n 2_o th._n 18._o that_o although_o this_o practice_n in_o its_o self_n be_v good_a and_o profitable_a god_n will_v not_o suffer_v his_o own_o people_n to_o invoke_v these_o bless_a spirit_n lest_o they_o shall_v worship_v they_o as_o god_n idolatry_n be_v a_o vice_n they_o be_v so_o prone_a upon_o the_o least_o occasion_n to_o commit_v answer_v we_o find_v that_o notwithstanding_o the_o proneness_n of_o this_o people_n to_o that_o sin_n god_n often_o do_v appear_v in_o the_o similitude_n of_o angel_n to_o they_o he_o use_v the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n in_o the_o delivery_n of_o that_o law_n they_o do_v so_o high_o reverence_n he_o use_v their_o ministry_n both_o in_o confer_v of_o the_o choice_a blessing_n on_o his_o people_n and_o the_o inflict_a of_o the_o most_o remarkable_a judgement_n both_o on_o they_o and_o on_o their_o enemy_n and_o he_o deliver_v those_o thing_n touch_v the_o ministry_n and_o custody_n of_o holy_a angel_n which_o romanist_n conceive_v to_o be_v sufficient_a ground_n and_o motive_n for_o their_o invocation_n whence_o we_o may_v very_o well_o conclude_v it_o be_v not_o out_o of_o fear_n of_o any_o proneness_n of_o that_o people_n to_o this_o idolatry_n that_o he_o do_v not_o enjoin_v this_o practice_n but_o only_o because_o he_o be_v a_o jealous_a god_n and_o will_v not_o give_v his_o honour_n to_o another_o against_o the_o worship_n of_o a_o image_n or_o of_o the_o host_n of_o heaven_n or_o any_o other_o god_n which_o by_o the_o heathen_n be_v still_o worship_v under_o some_o visible_a representation_n we_o have_v frequent_a caution_n and_o very_o dreadful_a threaten_n in_o moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n but_o against_o this_o idolatry_n of_o worship_v those_o spirit_n which_o in_o their_o nature_n be_v invisible_a those_o writing_n give_v we_o not_o one_o caution_n or_o prohibition_n though_o they_o do_v often_o call_v they_o god_n of_o which_o affair_n i_o be_o not_o able_a to_o conceive_v a_o better_a reason_n than_o this_o be_v that_o it_o be_v just_a matter_n of_o suspicion_n that_o this_o rude_a heavy_a people_n may_v be_v prone_a to_o worship_v what_o they_o see_v but_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v fear_v that_o they_o shall_v worship_v what_o be_v invisible_a and_o seldom_o do_v appear_v and_o hence_o we_o find_v this_o people_n continual_o revolt_a from_o the_o invisible_a jehovah_n to_o the_o sun_n moon_n and_o star_n and_o to_o the_o heathen_a deity_n but_o never_o do_v we_o find_v they_o in_o the_o least_o incline_v to_o the_o worship_n of_o these_o bless_a spirit_n moreover_o if_o we_o do_v consider_v that_o in_o the_o whole_a new_a testament_n 8._o §_o 8._o we_o have_v not_o any_o precept_n to_o enjoin_v example_n to_o commend_v or_o promise_v to_o encourage_v we_o unto_o this_o invocation_n we_o have_v a_o further_a reason_n to_o believe_v that_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n disapprove_v of_o it_o for_o can_v we_o think_v that_o christ_n himself_o and_o all_o his_o servant_n and_o apostle_n will_v have_v neglect_v to_o