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disgrace_n display_v the_o falsehood_n and_o absurdity_n of_o all_o your_o former_a disperse_a popish_a doctryre_n when_o your_o auditor_n shall_v easy_o perceive_v that_o you_o in_o your_o former_a write_n do_v much_o partake_v of_o the_o bird_n that_o owe_v the_o wing_n from_o which_o you_o borrow_v your_o pen_n and_o so_o till_o then_o i_o bid_v you_o a_o 〈…〉_z eu_fw-fr michaeas_n m._n vicechancelour_n i_o do_v contemn_v these_o your_o lucian_n and_o scoff_a vaunt_n unworthy_a to_o proceed_v from_o the_o mouth_n of_o a_o grave_n and_o learned_a man._n at_o the_o time_n appoint_v i_o mean_v to_o be_v present_a in_o your_o university_n where_o i_o trust_v through_o the_o aid_n of_o he_o who_o cause_n i_o be_o then_o to_o maintain_v to_o make_v good_a &_o justify_v all_o my_o former_a catholic_a doctrynes_n touch_v your_o malignant_a demeanour_n for_o i_o can_v term_v it_o no_o better_o against_o i_o throughout_o the_o whole_a process_n of_o this_o cavillous_a accusation_n know_v you_o 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he_o mask_v and_o take_v his_o last_o farewell_n with_o you_o in_o the_o plain_n and_o natural_a dialect_n of_o a_o 〈…〉_z prye_v the_o author_n of_o the_o say_a dialogue_n you_o have_v hear_v peruse_v the_o point_n discuss_v it_o have_v in_o the_o former_a dialogue_n i_o hope_v irrefragable_o bone_n prove_v that_o since_o the_o apostle_n day_n even_o to_o luther_n revolt_n our_o cathelicke_a faith_n without_o chanâ—e_n have_v even_o be_v profess_v the_o protestant_n faith_n have_v never_o be_v profess_v what_o demonstration_n more_o choke_v you_o also_o have_v see_v with_o what_o disadvantage_n diverse_a of_o your_o professor_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o most_o just_a retort_v of_o it_o upon_o themselfâ—_n have_v in_o great_a waist_n and_o profusion_n of_o word_n wrongful_o &_o promiscuous_o charge_v all_o catholic_n with_o the_o hateful_a crime_n of_o disloyaltye_n last_o here_o have_v be_v lay_v open_a before_o you_o beside_o some_o 〈◊〉_d discourse_n of_o certain_a catholic_a doctrine_n the_o venerable_a antiquity_n of_o priesthood_n the_o like_a antiquity_n of_o the_o
designâ—mus_fw-la upon_o the_o revelaâ—â—os_n p._n 66._o 66._o so_o say_v m._n hookerin_n his_o ecclesiastical_a poâ—cy_n poâ—cy_n in_o epist_n de_fw-fr abrogadis_fw-la in_o universum_fw-la omnibê°_n siatu_fw-la it_o be_v ecclesiast_n ecclesiast_n d._n whit._n cont_n camp_n rat._n 5._o say_v a_o mihi_fw-la erit_fw-la dicta_fw-la singula_fw-la quae_fw-la quisquam_fw-la protulit_fw-la aliquando_fw-la praestare_fw-la aut_fw-la defendere_fw-la defendere_fw-la in_o epist_n pauli_n coloss_n et_fw-fr thessaly_n p._n 246._o 246._o in_o his_o prognosticin_n finis_fw-la mundi_fw-la pag._n 74._o 74._o c._n 7._o 7._o god_n be_v more_o ancient_a than_o the_o devil_n &_o therefore_o truth_n more_o ancient_a they_o falsehood_n falsehood_n john_n 2._o 2._o act._n 15_o 15_o adverse_a haeres_fw-la haeres_fw-la epitem_fw-la haste_v cent._n 1._o l._n 3._o c._n 1._o p._n 78._o 78._o in_o his_o answer_n to_o certain_a assertion_n tend_v to_o maintain_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n p._n 35_o 35_o in_o his_o 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rhemish_a testament_n in_o 2._o cor_fw-la 12._o 12._o act._n mon._n print_v 1576._o p._n 463._o 463._o in_o jesuitism_n par_fw-fr 2._o 〈◊〉_d 3._o p._n 304._o 304._o beda_n hist_o 2._o c._n 2._o 2._o in_o his_o great_a chronic._n of_o the_o last_o edition_n volume_n l._n 5._o c._n 21._o pag._n 102._o 102._o act._n montanus_n print_a 1576_o pag._n 120._o 120._o beda_n l._n 2._o c._n 2._o 2._o volume_n 1._o p._n 103_o 103_o in_o his_o catalogue_n of_o the_o bishop_n p._n 6._o 6._o print_a anno_fw-la 1606._o l._n 3._o c._n 13._o p._n 133._o 133._o in_o jesuitisin_n part_n 2._o rat._n 5._o pag._n 5._o &_o 627._o 627._o in_o the_o alphabetical_a table_n of_o the_o six_o century_n after_o the_o first_o edition_n thereof_o at_o the_o word_n gregory_n gregory_n epitome_n histor_n eccles_n cent_n 6._o pag._n 289._o 289._o d._n â—hit_n cont._n camp_n rat._n 10._o 10._o d._n whit._fw-la ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la supra_fw-la math._n 27._o 27._o gal._n 2._o 2._o act._n montanus_n print_a 1576._o pag._n 120._o 120._o lib._n 2._o c._n 2._o 2._o in_o his_o confutation_n of_o purgatory_n p._n 335._o 335._o so_o say_v d._n hiâ—_n cont_n duraeum_n lib._n 7._o pag._n 480._o 480._o in_o proverb_n 13._o where_o he_o so_o say_v in_o dutcz_n as_o be_v here_o english_v english_v luther_n tom._n 7._o in_o epist_n ad_fw-la wophangun_n fol._n 505._o 505._o in_o apolo_n ad_fw-la pammach_n cap._n 3._o 3._o contra_fw-la vigilant_a cap._n 1._o 1._o haeres_fw-la 59_o 59_o in_o num._n homil_n 23._o 23._o in_o eâ—am_n council_n trident_n p._n 50._o &_o 62._o 62._o council_n carth._n 2._o can._n 2._o 2._o can._n 3._o 3._o this_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o socrates_n lib._n 1._o c._n 8._o by_o sozom_n l._n 1_o c._n 22._o by_o the_o centurist_n cent_n 4._o c._n 9_o and_o by_o m._n d._n fulke_n against_o the_o rhemish_a testament_n in_o math._n 8._o 8._o d._n whit._fw-la contra_fw-la duraeum_n l._n 7._o p._n 480_o 480_o lib._n 2._o a._n achab_n c._n 2._o 2._o in._n l._n zoar._n in_o c._n 18._o gen._n gen._n de_fw-fr verb._n apost_n serm._n 34_o 34_o agust_n in_o encheriâ—_n c._n 110._o 110._o against_o the_o rhemish_a testament_n in_o 1._o cor._n 3._o 3._o math._n 10._o 10._o in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o counterfeit_a catholic_a p._n 44_o 44_o in_o his_o confutation_n of_o purgatory_n p._n 2._o vid._n 303._o et_fw-la 393._o 393._o justit_fw-la 〈◊〉_d c._n 5._o sect_n 10._o 10._o so_o say_v d._n whit._n cont_n duraeutin_n l._n 7._o p._n 480._o 480._o in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o cöterfait_a catholic_a p._n 36._o 36._o d._n whit._n cont_n camp_n rat._n 4._o 4._o cent._n c._n 4._o col_fw-fr 64._o l._n 2._o 2._o histor_n l._n 5._o c._n 24._o 24._o d._n whit._n instance_v in_o these_o three_o pope_n l._n 7._o conl_n durae_fw-la um_o pag._n 480._o 480._o tertul._n tertul._n in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o conterfeytâ—_n tho_o lick_n p._n 37._o 37._o lib._n 4_o instit_n cap._n 7_o sect._n 9_o 9_o in_o his_o commö_n place_n in_o english_a part_n 4._o p._n 39_o 39_o so_o say_v d._n whitâ—kcr_n cenâ—ra_fw-fr duraeuml_n p._n 48_o 48_o adner_n haeres_fw-la versus_fw-la finem_fw-la finem_fw-la in_o 1._o timoth_n timoth_n act._n 1._o 1._o cod._n de_fw-fr summa_fw-la trinitate_fw-la leg_n 4._o 4._o de_fw-fr ingratis_fw-la c._n 2._o 2._o de_fw-fr persecut_n wandal_n wandal_n epist_n 48._o ad_fw-la anastasium_n anastasium_n d._n 〈…〉_z hit_v cont_n camp_n rat._n 6._o thus_o write_v g_z 〈…〉_z g._n magnus_fw-la parum_fw-la ne_fw-la tuu_fw-la pôificem_fw-la perstringit_fw-la quado_n quisquis_fw-la se_fw-la vniversale_fw-la episcopum_fw-la vocat_fw-la cum_fw-la antichristi_fw-la praecursore_fw-la procul_fw-la dubio_fw-la appellat_fw-la appellat_fw-la d._n whit._n l._n de_fw-fr eccles_n cont_n bollar_n p._n 336._o 336._o lib._n 7._o epist_n 69_o add_v euseb_n say_v si_fw-la unus_fw-la est_fw-la vutuersalis_fw-la restat_fw-la ut_fw-la vos_fw-la episeopi_n non_fw-la sitis_fw-la sitis_fw-la lib._n 4_o epist_n ad_fw-la eulogium_fw-la si_fw-la unus_fw-la patriarcha_fw-la universalis_fw-la dicitur_fw-la patriaâ—charnm_fw-la nâ—men_fw-la â—aeteris_fw-la der_fw-mi ogatunr_n ogatunr_n lib._n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 62._o 62._o so_o write_v the_o câ—turists_n of_o gregory_n cent._n 6._o col_fw-fr 462._o 462._o cent._n 6._o col_fw-fr 427._o 427._o ubi_fw-la suprà _fw-la col_fw-fr 428._o 428._o cent._n 6._o col_fw-fr 425._o 425._o in_o their_o treatise_n entitle_v english_a puritanisme_n print_a anno_o 190_o 〈◊〉_d p._n 16._o 16._o penry_n in_o his_o supplication_n to_o the_o high_a court_n or_o parliament_n parliament_n so_o say_v d._n whitaker_n coutra_n duâ—â—um_fw-la l._n 7._o p._n 490._o 490._o ini_fw-la meditat_fw-la c._n 9_o 9_o epict._n 91._o add_v theodorun_n foro_fw-la julii_fw-la episcop_n episcop_n in_o questio_fw-la brevioribê°_n in_o terogat_n 288_o 288_o cent._n 3._o c._n 6._o col_fw-fr 127._o 127._o de_fw-fr arcanis_fw-la catholicae_fw-la veritatis_fw-la l._n 10._o c._n 3._o 3._o lense_v 2._o 3._o etc._n etc._n &_o â—5_n 6._o etc._n etc._n etc._n d._n whit._n cont_n duraeum_n p._n 480._o say_v qni_fw-la transubstantiatione_fw-la primus_fw-la excogitavit_fw-la be_v suit_n innocentius_n tertius_fw-la in_o lateranenst_a concilio_n concilio_n tract_n 2d_o in_o joaniâ—em_n joaniâ—em_n lib._n 6._o contra_fw-la parmenianum_fw-la parmenianum_fw-la crispinus_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 345._o 345._o act._n &_o mon._n print_n 1576_o p._n 1121_o 1121_o in_o iâ—suitisâ—_n part_n 2._o rat._n 5._o p._n 628._o 628._o cent._n 4._o c._n 10_o col._n 985._o 985._o centurist_n cent._n 4._o c._n 4._o coâ—_n 496._o 496._o in_o margarit_n theol._n pag._n 256._o 256._o we_o find_v the_o testimony_n of_o these_o rabbin_n here_o produce_v to_o be_v allege_v by_o galatinus_n de_fw-fr arcanis_fw-la catholicae_fw-la veritatis_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 3._o see_v rab_n by_o judas_n in_o c._n 24._o exo_fw-la d._n and_o rabbi_n simeon_n in_o l._n entitle_v revelatio_fw-la seâ—retorum_fw-la seâ—retorum_fw-la d._n whit._n cont._n duraeun_n l._n 7._o p._n 480._o say_v qui_fw-la primus_fw-la docuit_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la â—esualiter_fw-la tractari_fw-la frangi_fw-la et_fw-la dentile_a 〈◊〉_d ri_fw-la suis_fw-la nicolaâ—s_fw-la secâ—dus_fw-la secâ—dus_fw-la chrysi_v in_o 1._o cor._n hom._n 24._o 24._o chrys_n in_o mat._n hom_n 83_o 83_o chrysost_n in_o joan_n hem_n 45._o 45._o in_o consut_o disputant_n joamnis_n grâ—naei_n p._n 214_o 215._o 215._o so_o say_v d._n whit._n cont_n duraeum_n l._n 〈◊〉_d c._n 480._o 480._o act._n 15._o 15._o serm._n 8._o 8._o rat._n 10._o edm._n campiani_n rat._n 7._o 7._o d._n whit._n so_o say_v cont._n camp_n in_o rat._n 7._o 7._o so_o say_v d._n whit._n contra_fw-la duraeis_n p._n 277._o 277._o d._n whit._fw-la contra_fw-la camp_n rat._n 7._o thus_o say_v of_o this_o point_n de_fw-fr tempore_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la sacile_fw-la respondere_fw-la neque_fw-la id_fw-la necessarium_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la temporum_fw-la momenta_fw-la prodantur_fw-la prodantur_fw-la so_o d._n whitak_n contra_fw-la duraeum_n pag._n 277._o 277._o bucanus_n in_o loc_n come_v pag._n 466._o 466._o m._n powl_z in_o his_o consideration_n of_o the_o popist_o supplication_n pag._n 43._o 43._o d._n whitaker_n for_o prose_n of_o the_o change_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o rome_n