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A13158	A briefe examination, of a certaine peremptorie menacing and disleal petition presented, as is pretended, to the Kings most excellent Maiestie, by certaine laye papistes, calling themselues, the lay Catholikes of England, and now lately printed, and diuulged by a busie compagnion, called Iohn Lecey	Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.	1606 (1606)	STC 23452; ESTC S117870	127,037	159

princes and say that for one of ours they haue an hundred but they shew themselues shame lesse to speake vntruth without any shew of proofe For if they looke into all histories they shall not finde eyther parliament or prince within this realme that allowed the wicked decrees of the conuenticle of Trent Neither did the clergy or the vniuersityes of England euer approue thē Here againe they they tell vs of a child King and woman Queene as if they had Queens that were no women or disallowed of the succession of children to their fathers So their fift reason is very childish Their sixth reasō had been more allowable if they could haue proued theire antecedent For if their faith had been that which Saint Paule so highly commendeth and which was first taught the English by Gregorie then should wee not much contend with them about matters of fayth But helas poret soules these laypapistes read not S. Paules Epistles nor canne they tell what he taught and as for their Masters they shall proue themselues desperate fellowes if thèy take vpon them to proue their transubstantiation and massing sacrifice and other poynts of popery out of S. Paule they should also but abuse their readers if they should vndertake to proue that popery is Catholike doctrine as hath been often shewed Finally if Gregorie the firste were iudge yet should they neither proue the popish worship of images nor the vniuersall headship of the pope nor the inuisibility and impalpability of Christes body in the sacrament the contrary rather out of Gregoryes doctrine may be concluded The 7. reason is nothing els but a repetition of matters formerly denyed They say we haue receiued our Bible our gospell and the canons from the Church of Rome The truth is that all true Christians haue receiued both the Bible the Gospell from Christ and his Apostles-likewise we haue receiued auncient canons from auncient general councels from the same the Church of Rome hath receiued both lawes and canons But the doctrine of the modern churche of Rome concerning the 7. sacramentes halfe communions the carnall eating of Christes body with the mouth and such like Mysteries of the masse they are contrary both to scriptures and actes of councels and were neuer knowne to the auncient church of Rome In theire 8. reason they affirme that the Romish Church is our Mother Church But then is she a cruell mother that persecuteth and murthreth her children Of the old Roman Church diuers nations receiued the faith and therefore to them she might be reputed the Mother church and so his maiesty meant when he spoke of the old church of Rome But this later Romish church is rather a stepmother then a mother and rather the mother of fornications as Saint John calleth her or the mother of errors as Francis Petrarch calleth her then the mother of Christians nay we haueby diuers reasons demonstrated that she is neither the mother church nor Christs church but the whore of Babylon and Synagogue of Antichriste Their ninth reason is drawne from the maner of the firstē arising and condemnation of heresyes For if there neuer yet arose any heresy but both the names of the authors and of the councells that condemned them were well known then if neither the authors of the masse or of Purgatory or of prayers to saints can be named nor any councell found out that condemned them then they suppose that these poyntes came from Christ and the apostles But by the same reason hee mighte prooue that the heresie of the Angelikes Collyridians Messalians Nudipedalls Nazarites Apostolikes and diuers of that sorte came from Christ and the Apostles For neither is Coleton able to name the first authors of these heresyes nor excepte it bee the Angelikes condemned in the councell of Laodicea can hee shew that any of these hereticks were condemned by councels Further wee shew who were the first deuisers of the masse and these lay papists confesse that the author of euery little ceremony and the time thereof is known we knowalso that purgatory for satisfaction for tēporal pains after that the guilt of sin is remitted praiers to saynts was first deuised by schoolmen among christians by idolaters among Heathen men Their last reason is deriued from the fruites of true religion which as they say are loue vnity concord piety acts of charitie and deuotion as fasting praier almes building of monasteryes erecting of vniuersities founding of Hospitals conuerting of Nations and such like But first the erection of monasteries and such like dennes of superstitious persons and Sodomites is neither a worke of Charity nor deuotion Secondly these fruites of religion that are heere mentioned neuer proceeded from the modern superstition of Rome And that is most apparent not only by common experience but also by the testimony and confession of papists themselues In Jtaly other countries where popery moste reigneth there is little true loue no vnitie nor concord either among the teachers or among their followers no steppe of christian piety no acts of Christian charity nor signe of sincere and internall deuotion their prayers are directed to saynts angels for the most part and little vnderstood of the vulgar sort being in strange lāguages Their fasts ar superstitious their alms ar pharisaical for the most part euil bestowed The popes their cōplices massacre murdre true christians with deadly hatred prosequute on another Their enemies they empoysō murdre such as they cannot kill they curse and hate They make banks of vsury set vp bordell houses for maintenance of whoredom baudry they haue empouerished christians occasioned the progresse and successe of Turkes and as for new Rome it hath confuted no heresyes nor called any lawfull councels nor erected any vniuersityes nor taught any obedience to princes nay contrariwise the popes of Rome haue dissolued the bands of obedience and with preferring men vnworthy fostering Iebusites haue ouerthrowne vniuersities Finally teaching that the pope is aboue councels they haue taken away al authority frō councels teaching the idolatrous worship of saynts images and the sacrament and setting for ward their traditions they haue destroyed all religion and this in the abridgement or suruey of popery is proued both by testimonyes and examples agaynst vs certes they shall neuer be able to prooue any such matters They charge Master Caluin Knox Luther Godmā with teaching cōtēpt of power authority and neglect of laws obedience that vnder the colour of liberty of the gospel But this is a cōmō practise of papists when they are at a stoppe to father lies vpon Luther Caluin and other godly men How sincerely they deale it is apparent when they alledge such authors as lay papists vnder payne of excōmu nication may not read affirme that to bee taughte by them which those godly teachers vtterly dislike and condemne Absurdly also wher they vndertake to defend themselues they run out

and their hereticall adherents that abuse Gods seruauntes with their hereticall docttrines The scriptures also teache vs that as god prospered their endeuours which with seruent zeale sought to remooue all monuments and reliques of idolatry so nothing succeeded to those that shewed themselues either fauourers of false religion or negligent and cold in maintaining the purity of his seruice The angel of the lord Iudges 2 threatned the Jsraelits that they shoulde not preuaile because they had made a league with the Cananites and doe we thinke that contractes made with seditious hereticks can be either successefull or of long continuance Salomons seate was established so long as hee soughte the lord with his whole hart but giuing him selfe to women and suffering by their meanes idolatrous worshippes to creepe into his kingdom his glorye began to decline and his troubles to encrease Asah prospered so long as he put away the Sodomites and his fathers idols but when he sought to the Assyrians for help gods help and fauour began to faile him Hezekiah was highly fauorued of god because he tooke away the high places and brake downe the images and Iosiah as hee was greatly loued of god so was he much commended by men for that he put away the idoles and killed the idolatrous priests that were the maintainers of false Religion Contrarywise Ierobvam Rehoboam Abiah Amaziah Manasseh and other kings of Iudah and Israel for permitting idolatry were forsaken of god and continually vexed by their enemies Jt is a dangerous thing to fauour such as deuide themselues from gods Church to company with idolaters and impious perions Hardly shal a man touch pitch not be defiled Therfore Moyses Numbers 16. speaking of Corah Dathan Abiram and theire company exhorteth gods people to depart from the tents of those wicked men least they shoulde perish in all their fiunes Josuah Chapter 23. threatneth the Israelites if they shall cleaue vnto the nations and make mariages with them that they shall be a snare and destruction vnto them and a whippe on theire sides and thornes in theire eyes Such are the scandales that arise of tolerating and consorting with wicked compagnions Jehosophat hardly escaped with his life ioyning in societye and giuing aide to the wicked King Ahab and was sharpelie reprooued for it The 2. Corinthians 6. teacheth Christians not to company with idolaters or profane persons what communion saith he hath lighte with darknesse and what concorde hath Christ with Belial and what part hath the beleeuer with the infidell and what agreemente hath the temple of god with idoles Sainte John in his second Epistle forbiddeth vs to communicate with such as bring not Apostolike doctrine or to salute them and his reson is very important He that biddeth such a one god speede saith hee is partaker of his euill deedes Seeing then holy scriptures are the canon of fayth we may not thinke that toleration of false religion can well stand with the rules of faith and religion being so repugnant to holy scriptures Chapter 3. That conniuence and toleration of false religion and heresy and of the professors thereof is reproued by the authority both of the Fathers of the Church and of ancient Christian Emperors WITH the doctrine of scriptures both the Canons of councells and writings of the fathers of the Church do also well agree And with them all the lawes of godly Christian emperors doe concur the Canons of the Apostles c. 11. doe pronounce him excommunicate that prayeth or talketh with an excommunicate person c. 45. they forbid cleargie men to communicate with heretikes The councel of Laodicea c. 31.32 and 33. dooth directlye condemne communion with heretiques either in mariage or prayer The fourth councel of Carthage c. 70. forbiddeth cleargy men all feasting and felowshippe with heretikes and schismatikes So zealous likewise haue the fathers shewed themselues against false teachers that they haue bothe shunned theyr companie and disallowed all participation with them and their followers Tertullian in Scorpiaco wold haue such compelled and not praied to do their dutie Athanasius de Synodis writing of heretiks spreading theyr erroneous doctrine How I pray you saith hee are they not woorthye of all punishmentes when they write such things When impietie beginneth to shewe it selfe openlie sayeth Gregorie Nazianzen in orat pro pace wee oughte to resist it as much as we may by sword fire or by any other meanes least we be partakers of euill leuen or consent vnto such as he infected with pernicious doctrin And againe in homil in dict euangel Cut off sayeth he the Arian impietie cut off the pernicious error of Sabellius This I speake to lay men this I speake to the cleargie and this I speake to the Magistrates My wordes fighting for the holy trinitye shall not haue so much efficacye as thy edict shall if thou wilte represse such as are infected with pernitious opinions Hierome in cap. 5. epist. ad Galat. sheweth that as soon as the sparkes of heresie appeare they must presently be extinguished and that Arrius in Alexandria was but one little sparke yet because he was not presently oppressed that the flame arising thereof consumed the whole world Saint Augustine epist 48. ad Vincentium proueth that Christiā men are to be forced to embrace truth both by the example of Paul that by violent compulsion was conuerted to Christe and by these words of the Gospell compell all that you find to come in The same father Epist 50 ad Bonifacium sayth that Kings then serue god when they forbid and punish with religious seuerity those things which are done against the commandements of god The like sayings and arguments he hath lib. 2. contra Gaudentij epist c. 17. and lib. 4. contr Crescon grammatic c. 2. contr lit Petil. lib. 2. c. 83. To these fathers we may also adde the testimonies of Ambrose epist 32. ad Valentin imperat and in orat ad Auxentium de Basilicis non tradendis in Luc. c. 10. of Chrysostome homil de auaritia and of Optate of Mileuis contra Parmenian lib. 3. and of diuers others But what need many proofs in matters so apparant Irenaeus aduers haeres lib. 3. c. 3. sheweth how Saint Iohn the Euangelist fled out of the bath wherein the heretike Cerinthus was least it should fall vpon him There he sheweth also howe the ancient fathers refused to communicate so much as in speeche with such as adulterated the truth Eusebius lib. 7. hist. c. 6. by the authority of Dionysius and Heraclas proueth that such as conuerse with hereticks are excommunicate The pious Christian Emperors did likewise establish that by law which the fathers by their doctrine and practise taughte Constantin the great was no soner setled in his state but he forbad idolatrous sacrifices caused idoles to be defaced and demolished as is testified by Eusebius in diuers places of his books de vita Constantini Augustine lib 1. contr Parmen c. 7. and contra Petil.

vāts seing lay mē are little skilled in tōgs stānd prohibited to reade them in vulgar tongs with out licēce furthermore these felowes art not so far trauelled as to know what is cōteined in scriptures fathers coūcels aūcient writers concerning matters in cōtrouersy if they resolue thēselues by relatiō of the massepreests friars thēar they most simple ideots to beleeue matters vpon heresay and to found themselues vpon the reports of such lying compagnions Lastly they seeme to haue theire braynes distempred that are made to beleeue that the popish sacrifice of the masse for quick and deade their carnall eating of Christs flesh with the mouths of men nay with the mouth of bruit beasts their transubstantiation halfe communions and idolatrous worship of the sacrament the popes vniuersall and plenary power conteined in decretales their 7. sacraments and doctrine of iustification by orders mariage and extreame vnction theyr worship of saints reliques and images and all the rest of their abhominable doctrine may be proued by authority of scriptures fathers saints doctors councels Parliamentes and that the same is confirmed dy vnitie vniuersality succession and. antiquity beside the testimony of virgins and Martyrs This we may affirme of the Apostles creed and the Catholike fayth taught and published in auncient Councels but by no meanes of the fayth of the moderne sinagogue of Rome Nay in our abridgemente or suruey of Poperie we haue plainely demonstrated that the same is contrary to scriptures fathers councels auncient writers and is deuoyde of the testimonies of martyres virgins and decrees of Parliaments and all other authenticall proofes Secondly they alledge that neuer any vniversall innouation in matters of religion hath been made but that the commission and vocation of the messengers hath beene authorised by signes and wonders But this allegation as it concearneth vs nothing so it vtterly ouerthroweth the petitioners cause For we haue made no vniuersal innonatiō Nay we do not alter or abrogate-any one article of the Christian faith but as in Spaine true teachers in former tymes caused Arianisme to cease and true religion to bee receiued and as the Christians in the land of Palestine some 400. yeares sence for a time caused the impieties of Mahomet to be suppressed Christian religion to be taught and practised so do we onely abolish the corruptions false doctrines heresies and impieties of popery and reteine euery article of the Auncient christian fayth But the massepreests friars and monkes adhering to the Pope haue made an vniuersall alteration in the worship of God bringing in the idolatrous worship of saints of images of the sacrament and receiuing many old condemned heresies and new deuised schoole doctrines and decretaline deuises and yet neither shew signes nor wonders vnlesse a man list to beleeue the wondrous lyes of their legends and breuiaries Thirdly they take it as a matter most euident and that cānot be denied that the first apostles and conuerters of Englād Scotland Ireland France and Germany were sent from the Church of Rome and deliuered vs the same fayth which the Papists now professe But they take boldly and affirme impudently that which no man either giueth them or yeeldeth to bee true Parsons hath spent much idle talke in this argument and proueth nothing Coleton is as mute as if hee were turned into a Codfish and replieth nothing to that which is answered to the petition of Masseprecstes the last session of parliament and their discourse touching this poynt As for these petitioners they shewe themselues ignorant of learning that beleeue that the doctrine of Romish traditions of the Popes authority of the masse of the 7. sacramentes of Purgatory and indulgences and such like matters was known to the anciēt Bishops of Rome but suppose old Rome had sent true preachers abroade to conuert nations to the Christian fayth what is that to new Rome that sendeth out false apostles to corrupt the true fayth and assassins Cut-throates to murder such as fauour the truth this false doctrine and cut throate practise certes was neuer confirmed with true signes and wonders Fourthlie they require vs to shew a Commission from God if we meane to conuince the papists that they haue not true scriptures or interpret them not right or that they are idolaters or hereticks a deuise likely to proceed from such idle heades For neither did those fathers that conuinced the Marcionists Arrians Manichees Angelicks and other hereticks either of corrupting or misconstruing the scriptures or any other poynt of false doctrine shew a commission immediatly from god neither doe the masse preests that dispute nowe against Turks Arrians and Anabaptists shewe forth any such commission All Christians and not onelie publike teachers haue commission sufficient to descry to take heed of false Prophets that come vnto them in sheeps clothing but inwardly are rauening wolues What needeth then this extraordinary authority Fiftly they tellvs that we had our scriptures from Rome and had been scripturelesse if we had not receiued them from thence He sayth also that the same bible which Angustine brought into England is yet reserued by gods especiall prouidence But firste it is not materiall from whence Christians receiue holy scriptures The Romaines receiued them from the Iewes and yet I trow Parsons and Coletou as they are turned Romanists will not turne Iewes Secondly that the Britous receiued the scriptures from the Romanes it is not likely they being as the common report goeth conuerted by Ioseph of Arimathaea Neither doe these petitioners shew where the Bible is to be foud that was brought in by Austen the Monk nor doe they make proofe that this which they shew is the the same Bible which Austen brought in Jf it bee the old vulgar translation it is not likely that Gregory sent it For he doth not alwayes follow that translation Heere also they tell vs that we haue reiected and discanonized diuers bookes of scripture because they be expresse testimonyes againste our religion which it pleaseth them to cal new and negatiue But neither doe we reiect any booke of canonicall scripture nor can any argument be drawne from the bookes apocryphall added in the vulgarlatin translation to the old testamēt that doeth hurt vs. Furthermore if we do onely deny the heresies of the papists then doe we not frame any new religion vnto ourselues and if the papists affirme matters not known to fathers then is theire religion new positiue if not wicked in the superlatiue For the sence of scripture they tell vs that we haue onely the warrant of our priuate spirit and they the assistance of gods holy spirit promised to his Church But absurdly they talke of the interpretation of scriptures following therein the priuate sence of a sencelesse pope and neither the interpretation consonant to the meaning of gods holy spirit speaking in scriptures nor to the iudgement of fathers vpon whome they bragge most fondly Lastly they tell vs againe of parliaments and

hath well sayd we are in deed but halfe subiects not that our bodies minds wills wittes vnderstandings sences memories iudgements intentions or our breaths blouds or liues are deuided or deuouted to the supreme honour or seruice of any terrene 1 Is the pope a terrene creture if he be hovv can you say that you are not deuoted to his supreme seruice creature other then your Maiesty only but that the (a) In what sense the Catholikes may be called halfe subiects better-halfe of our liuings goods friends and fortunes wherewith we should be the better able and haue greater courage to serue your Maiesty are taken from vs and yet your Maiesties coffers little the better therefore Our desire then is most gratious Prince to become your Maiesties whole 2 Hitherto then you are not come to be subiects subiects your Maiesty may so make vs in the twinckling of your eye or stamp of your foote wherewith you are able to raise vp more 3 Not one true papist may serue the king if the Pope excommunicate him But to omit this case if papists can raise vparmies so easily in England it is time to looke to them Let vs remember Persies late treason armies then euer Pompey the great could doe from whom the metaphor is borowed in all his pompe and presumptuous pride Vouchsafe then Dread Soueraigne to make vs as others your subiects are of all professions The conclusion with an Apostrophe to his maiesty intire and absolute 4 You must be founded in another mould then popery if you vvill become true Euglishmen Englishmen for nothing by Gods holy assistance can or euer shall deuide vs from our subiection and dutifull affection to your Maiesty but death which is vltima linea rerum the last period of all things for all other deuisions we renounce from all other seruices 5 VVill you leaue to serue Saints images and the pope you may not vvithout renouncing popery we disclaime but that onely which is due to God in the supernaturall course of our saluation which being gouerned by secret influences and supernaturall concurrences of his grace we alot to God without disparagement to your Maiesty assuring our selues that your Maiesty so conuersant in all good writers and perfect Theologie is well assured that there is no diuision so honorable for a Prince as that which was attributed long sithence to Caesar and now is not improperly applied to your Maiesty Iupiter in coelu Caesar regit omnia terris Diuisum imperium cum 6 This is a prophane speech and repugneth to the vvords of scripture Further it cannot vvell stand vvith the vvords of decretales Ioue Caesar habet Whiles this Apologie or Petition was a printing there came to my hands the copie of a Letter written by the late banished Priests to the Lordes of his Maiesties most honourable priuie Councell which for the coherence of the argument I thought good to annexe hereunto The examination of the 7. chapter THE matter hādled in this chap. is of more cōsequence then all the rest For therein they craue an immunitye or toleration for their massing Preestes to which no man that is truly religious can be enduced to yeelde although he coulde be content to yeeld any lawful fauor to the rest For albeit seduced souls ar to be pitied and may percase be reclaimed from their haggarrd popish superstition yet no mā hath reasō to tolerate seducers grosse idolaters especially when they depend vpon forreine enemies and are gresed and marked for the popes slaues haue heeretofore been blotted both wiith trecherous doctrines and treasonable practises The treason first of Watson and Clerke and lately of Garnet Hall Hamond and others that consorted with Percy and his complices doth demonstrate this to be true But yet no parte of the petition is more loosely or foolishly handled For first in this conclusion they inuolue a request for their masseprests hauing spoken nothing of thém before which is alone as if they should conclude without premisses Secondly they require some quiet graue and vertuous clergy men for the comfort of their souls But this is spoken against the polshorne Prestes of Antichrist For they are not quiet but turbulent and seditious they are not graue but light giddy headed ready to runne vp the gallowes for the Popes seruice They are not vertuous but base filthy and lecherous fellowes and this is proued by diuers particulers Finally the confort of Christian mens soules confisteth not in faculties indulgences popish absolutions and such antichristian trash as they bring but in Christs sweete promises and in apostolike doctrine and comfortable wordes of true preachers and to such if they would open their eares they should haue both quiet graue vertuous clergy men and true and godly pastors also Thirdly they tel vs what fauours were doon to Queen Maryes Preests and other lay men affected to popery especially in the beginning of Queen Elizabeths reign But they could not do vs a greater fauor or thēselues greter dishonor thē to mētion these matters For first they testify against themselues Queen Elizabeths greate Clemēcy that spared thē who had dealt so rigorously her self others did not proced against the papists before they began to practise attēpt against her Secondly wee seeheerin that al fauor doon to papists is lost as bestowed vpon vngratful persons enemies irreconciliable We may deal mercifully with thē giue thē life that otherwise wold perish But if they haue once the sword in their hands they satiffy thē selues with nothing but the death and destruction of such as professe the truth But to let this passe little doth the exāple of Queene Maryes preests relieue thē For they were made preests at home these by forreine enemyes they acknowledged the princes supreme authority these defend the authority of the Pope They depēded on the princes grace fauor these depēd on the popes grace withal their forces defēd his authority they offēded of ignorāce notknowing the truth these of malice rūning out of their countrie and oppugning a truth once known They professed a playne kind of popery and were not factiously disposed these are factious compagnions and professe a more desperate kinde of doctrine newly forged in the conuēticle of Trent Finally they acknowledged the Queens mercy these bark at her being dead neuer ceased to work against her being aliue For proofe of the conformity of their petition to reason they adde in the fourth place that no religion did or cold euer consist without preestes and pastors But what is that to these preests of Baal that at no true Prcests succeeding the Apostles in teching administring sacramēts according to christs institution but idolatrous sacrificers ordeined by Antichrist to offer for quick ded again what is that to these murdrers bloudsuckers that are no pastors but rather gunpowder traitors sheepbiters and destroyers of Christ his flock Lastly if