breathe Nick. Had I beene his Herald hee should haue borne a Lady cow for his Crest It had beene a fit Embleme for a faire out-side Though his pen made him admirable in his age yet did his c Dumque moror mirorque simul fugit omnis in vndas miraculous lies make him ridiculous in his dotage d Suspendit calamum Marianae Lipsius arae Suspendi meruit c. Well did his pen deserue to hang at Maries Altar But of the twaine himselfe did best deserue the haltar He best deserued the whetstone for his lying That could not leaue the trade-when he was dying Ma. When Lipsius wrote did he sit stand kneele or leane Hee did lie most that 's flat witnesse his last Scene Min. Then I see you meane not to die in Iabals debt for an Epigram In lieu of his Ladies gloues you haue returned him a Cow with two prettie Calues by her side Lipsius will neuer bee dead as long as they liue Iab Among manie e Pag. 130 deuises the enemie of Mankind hath set abroach in this age to infect the world with Irreligion and Atheisme none seemeth to mee more potent then the deniall of miracles together with those shifts which Heresie hath inuented to discard those both of ancient fresh memorie which please not your tast Ma. That it doth so seeme vnto you seemes not strange vnto vs who doe assure our selues of your forwardnesse in aduancing the state and dignitie of your grand Bel-peor The point is whether our Sauiour his Apostles and the Fathers of the Church held the deniall of your vpstart Lapsian miracles such a potent meanes to infect the World with Atheisme and Irreligion If you will bee tried by these holde vp your f Ecce purissimas meas manus Praeceptor quoth the boy with the scabbed fingers hand A match Doth not Moses g Deut. 13.2.6 forbid vs to judge of the Doctrine by miracles Saith hee not that if any man shall giue vs a signe or a wonder which he told of should come to passe yet we must not hearken vnto him if he once say Come and let vs goe serue other Gods The h Ier. 23 Prophet complaines in the person of Almightie God against these Miracle-mongers Seduxerunt populum meum in mendacijs suis in miraculis suis Our Sauiour i Mat. 24. v. 23.24.25 forewarneth vs not to beleeue such For there shall arise false Christs and false Prophets and they shall shew great signes and wonders insomuch that if it were possible they shall deceiue the verie Elect. Saint k 2. The. 2.9.10 Paul prophetically auerreth that the comming of the man of sinne shall be after the working of Sathan with all powers and signes and lying wonders And with all deceiueablenesse of vnrighteousnesse in them that perish because they receiued not the loue of the truth that they might be saued And that for this cause God shall send strong Delusion that they should beleeue a lie What greater contrarietie can be imagined then there is betweene your position and these textuall verities Min. The Ancient Fathers haue likewise ioyned their forces in the same Encounter Doth not Saint l In Mat. hâ— 49 Chrysostome manacle these Quack-saluers for playing their Leger-de-main trickes Per signacognoscebatur saith hee qui essent veri Christiani qui falsi Nunc autem signorum operatio omnino leuata est magis autem inuenitur apud cos qui falsi sunt Christiani Saint m De Ciuit. Dei lib. 22. cap. 8 Augustine makes a monster of him who doth now desire wonders for the kindling of his faith after so cleare a demonstration of Euangelicall miracles Contraistos Mirabiliarios saith n In Iohan. tract 13. hee cautum me fecit Deus meus My God hath armed mee against such To what end doth hee say Behold I haue tolde you before but that his Spouse should not be entrap'd with such Sophisticall miracle Yea hee blasteth both Lipsius and his Shrine with a o Aug. de vnit Eccles cap. 19. Remoueantur Away saith hee with this geare p Miracula fiut aliquaado humana procuratione aliquando diabolica operatione Al. Hale Quast 53. Art 3 which is eyther the iugling of deceitfull men or the Illusion of lying Deuils It is in my opinion the next way to make men Atheists to see Papists so much distrust the efficacie of the word and the soliditie of Euangelicall truthes that they are euerie day driuen to seeke new supporters of their faith which they easily discerne to bee hammered by the hand of fraud Iab As no q Pag. 130 age since the Creation hath beene without prophane fellowes prone to denie Gods prouidence ouer mankind to iest and scoffe at his seruants so likewise the same prouidence hath not permitted anie age to passe without Miracles and markes of his power keeping the impious in awe by punishments miraculously inflicted vpon their mates and comforting his true worshippers with extraordinarie fauours and benefits bestowed on them aboue natures reach Ma. What authoritie you haue to Canonize them that worship your Ladie of Hall for true worshippers as your supposition intendeth wee will not dispute It would put you to a plunge to proue Image-worshippers true worshippers Christ r Ioh. 4.23 Da medium lunae Solem simul canis iram saith that the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and truth and not the Mother of Hall in stocke or stone Not to stand vpon this I doe not see how you can excuse your presumption in aduenturing to teach the Å¿ A posse ad esse non sequitur argumentum Almightie how hee should awe the impious and comfort his seruants The state of the Church were in a lamentable case if there were no other means for the producing of these effects besides the working of new t Miracula persequentes fugiunt fugientes persequuntur Aeneas Siluius miracles The persecutors of Gods people may be stricken with terrour when they heare the successe which Pharao Antiochus Senacharib Herod and the rest had If with the Adder they stoppe their eares against these neyther would they beleeue though an Angell should come with a fierie sword from Heauen The Lord is able by his secret Iudgements to preuent their malice and confound their deuices The patience which hee giueth vnto his seruants is a miracle which more astonisheth their Enemies and addeth a greater measure to their owne glorious reward then if they were rescued by a miraculous supply To you that desire fire and bullets to strike off the noses of your Enemies I may say with our Sauiour in the like case Nescitis cuius spiritus sitis Iab In what u Pag. 131 age since the comming of Christ hath eyther pietie more needed a spur or impietie a curbe then in this we liue in The Wolfe is said to be so stiffnecked and greedie of his prey that he neuer looketh back but when
by mistaking of the word Canonicall which is sometimes taken largely to signfie aswel the Bookes that might concerne the Rule of Manners as those which serue for the foundation of the doctrine of Faith in which sence your Father and Councell are to be vnderstood whereas the same word in the strict and proper signification doth only comprehend the Bookes which agree with the Canon of the Hebrewes according to the generall consent of the Ancient Fathers of all Churches before the dayes of Saint Augustine To this end hee sent no worse p Letter to T.H. pag. 62. Messenger to cleare this doubt then a person eminent both by name and place I meane that famous Cardinall Cajetan Ne turberis Nouitie saith he Si alicubi reperias libros istos inter Canonicos supputari Cum hac distinctione poteris discernere dicta Augustini scripta in Concilio Prouinciali Carthaginensi Hee tels you that they are thus to be vnderstood as also that none but Nouices in the writing of the Ancient Fathers will trouble themselues by making any question in so apparaÌ„t a truth Nick. Iabal hath well requited him for his paines I trow he hath sent the Cardinall away with a flea in his eare If Caietan had beene Pope hee would haue beene twice aduised before he had so rudely reiected his Oracles My fellow Iack Footeman would haue no great Maw to carry a Message to such a currish Swaine from whom hee expects no better entertainment Min. Caietan I wis had more wit in his little finger then Iabal in his whole body Beati Pacifici was his aime Should such hot-spurres as our Nouice haue beene made Arbitrators there would haue beene such a broyle amongst the Fathers as would not be easily reconciled For if you take away this fauourable most probable distinction you should soone see a field pitch'd betweene q Vide Admon praefix Concord Bibliorum per haered Wecheli Cyril Cyprian Origen r Si quid extra haec inuenitur inter adulterinos libros numerandum est Greg. Nazian Nazian zene Å¿ Anthonin Summ. maior Parâ— 3. tit 18. cap. 6. § 2. Hierome t Alij libri sunt qui non Canonici sed Ecclesiastici a maioribus appellati sunt eiusdem ordinis Tobiae Iudith et Machabaeorum libri Ruffi in Symbol fol. 575. Ruffinus Epiphanius u Sunt Canonici veteris testamenti libri viginti duo lâ—teris baebraicis numero parâ—s Aâ—ban ex Synopsi Athanasius Eusebius and Gregory on th' one side discarding them and Augustine the Councell of Carthage Trent on th' other part defending them When this pitch'd battel should haue beene fought the Romanists might haue sought our valiant Sanga vnder the Trundle-bedde till the hurly burly had beene at at end vnlesse they had pluckt him out by the heeles no perswasion would haue drawne him to shew his face they are all so peremptory and plaine against the Canonizing of these Apogriphall bookes This was not vnknowne to the Cardinal who was thereby induced to thinke that S. Augustine tooke the word Canonicall in the larger sence as comprehending the Ecclesiasticall writings within the verge thereof Ma. Had it beene an error an the Iewes not to haue receiued these bookes as they did the Law and the Prophets I cannot thinke but that Christ or his Apostles would surely haue reproued so notable a crime seeing they were not meale-mouthed in the reprehension of lesser faults And whereas we receiue this maine benefit by the Apostacy of the Iewes that therby the world seeing them enemies vnto the Messias cannot but giue the greater credence to the bookes of th' old Testament without suspect of partiality which otherwise might haue beene doubted the adopting of these other Apocriphall into the Canon were as much as in vs lieth to vilifie th' authority of their authentique records who may not improbably be thought to haue taken in those that were adulterine as well as to haue degraded those that are found to haue beene diuine Min. If all other reasons were mute me thinkes the Author Matter and Manner of the history might well make an ingenuous person very sparing in the defence The Author if wee may credit the x Vide Zanch. de diuin attrib lib. 4. ca. 4. enlarging Epitomizer of these bookes is y 2. Mac. 2.23 Iason Cirenaeus a z Spiritu sancto inspirati loquuti sunt sancti Dei homines 2. Pet. cap. 1. v. 21. heathen man for-sooth a fit Secretarie for the Court of heauen It seemes pen-men were then as scanty as sometimes a 1. Sam. c. 13. v. 19. Smiths in Palestine This must needs bee 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which requireth so much b 2. Mac. 2. v. 26. watching sweating and pains in the refining Calamus Scribae velociter scribentis would haue eased all this toyle which is not to bee feared where the Omniscient spirit is the Dictator As touching the matter it is wouen in a webbe of such palpable contradictions that a man who regardeth his credit would be sorry at his heart to bee taken tripping in such contrary tales One while c 1. Mach. c. 6. v. 16. Antiochus died for griefe in Babilon Another while hee was slaine in the Temple of d 2. Mac. c. 1. v. 13. Nanea where his head was cut off And yet is not Antiochus out of his paine As if he had as many liues as a Cat you shal see him stalke once more vpon this historicall Stage and then at last fall downe and dye with a most noysome stinking smell consumed with e 2. Mach. c. 9. v. 9. Ducit ad inferos â— educit wormes Indeede I must needs say he is very modest in the deliuery He writes not f Math. 7. v. 29. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as one who had the custody of the mint to warrant the mettle whereunto he had put his stampe but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for the g 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pleasure and recreation of the reader Had he had the warrant of the spirit hee would haue spared the labour of begging fauor and suing out a pardon for which hee is faine to crowch to the Readers gentlenesse Ma. Then had the holy Father S. Augustin good cause to say that they are receiued profitably if they bee read Soberly For if they should bee read with a precipitate opinion as Canonicall Scriptures in the strict sence the many leakes which are transparant in them would goe very neere to sinke th' authority of the rest Iab It appeareth by that testimony against the Epistle of Gaudentius that the Christians gaue that authority to those h Pag. 55. bookes which the Iewes did not grant vnto them that the Church did set them vp in the throne from which the Synagogue had kept them which was the Imperiall throne of sacred Authority Otherwise S. Augustins opposition The Iews did not but The Church doth were vaine Ma. The
forsitan Iab Indeed he doth Hierogliphick my name of u Preface I.R. in English Latin and Hebrew making mee in the one Iack Roague in the other Iscarioth de Rubigine and Ishmael Rashacheh in the third wherwith he ioyneth the Sirnâ—me of Cecropidan Licaonite Nick. Hee saw you were x I.R.F. Trium literarum homo therefore for want of a better god-father hee made bold to fit your Appellation according to your praedominant quality And seeing there was no one word or single language able sufficiently to expresse your worth hee thought fit by his variety to make you knowne for a viperous Sesquipedalian in euery coast where the frothy Libell of such a namelesse miscreant should arriue Min. Had you saide shamelesse you had giuen him no more then his due What will he not spare to speake who dares auerre that the Fathers of former ages doe without the contradiction of any peremptorily deliuer the doctrine of Purgatory and the same exposition of this place touching pardon in the next world How waueringly S. Augustine speakes his Forsitan back'd with an Ignoranius doth sufficiently declare Macarius his dicotomy of two sole receptacles doth exclude any opinion of a third Chrysost tells vs that God y In Pre. e. in Isay quando peccata abolet nullam reliquam facit cicatricem Tertullian ioynes in the same peremptory assertion z Tertul. de Baâ—t exempt to reatu eximitur et poena What think you of S. Hierome doth he deserue to stand in your Kalendar of Fathers As hee crossed you in your foundation of the Machabees so doth hee mar your market and raze your whole building with this a In Psal 31. gradation Quod tegitur non videtur quod non videtur non imputatur quod non imputatur non punietur That which is couered is not seene that which is not seene is not imputed that which is not imputed shall not bee punished Where is now the generality of consent Is this your certainty without contradiction Doth S. Chrysostom expound this place of Mathew otherwise then thus Non effugient poenam they shall surely be punished Speaks he one word to countenance your sence You shold haue shewed your selfe farre more Ingenuous in answering to this as Durandus Antonius in the behalf of Indulgncees De Indulgentijs say they pauca dici possunt per certitudineÌ„ quia nec scriptura expresse de eis loquitur Sancti etiaÌ„ patres Ambrosius Hillarius Hieronimus Augustinus minime loquuntur de Indulgentijs Touching Indulgences the inseparable b Per modum Causae Concomitants of purgatory little can be said by way of certainty because neither Scripture doth expresly mention them neither do the holy Fathers speake of them at all With the like speech did the Knight present you out of c Roffâ—aâ—tic 18. contra Luth. Lett. to T. H. pag. 77. Roffensis vizt whosoeuer shall read the Greeke Fathers shall finde very rare or no mention of Purgatory Ma. It seems the Doctor hath either a better paire of spectacles or a more piercing sight Shall we imagine he hath beene more industrious in the perusall of th' auncient Records then that eminent Bishop or haue wee not rather iust cause to thinke him too much deuoted to Lensaeus his lines which hee rendreth word for worde without any further perusall of the truth It is the customary d Motiue T. H. pag. 169. in Mâ—rg trade of the Romanists to vouch opinions when they want the Authors books The view of the Fathers writings would haue stopped the passage and curtold the Philactery of this his insolent bragge Min. How willing they are to misunderstand the Fathers their like collection in wresting the words of S. Paul 1. Corin. 3.13 doth sufficiently proclaime There the Apostle tells vs that Euery mans worke shall be made manifest for the day shall declare it because it shall be reuealed by the fire and the fire shall try euerie mans worke of what sort it is From this Metaphoricall speech they e Motiue T. H. pag. 110. would inferre a litterall necessity of Purgatory fire But their grand Doctor saw so little colour for this that hee is driuen to put them beside this plancke Patres aliqui saith f Bellar. de Purg. lib. 2. ca. 1. hee per ignem non intelligunt ignem purgatorij sed ignem diuini iudicij Some of the Fathers doe not by fire vnder stand the fire of Purgatory but the fire of Diuine Iudgement When the Auncients speake of this fire the Catholique spirits traduce their words and thinke they haue gotten a great purchase Sure it is the fire whereof S. Paul there speaketh hath no affinity with the fire of Purgatory for that trieth euery mans worke this onely purgeth some mens persons euery mans worke is subiect to that fire as well gold siluer and precious stones as timber hay and stubble but as for the fire of Purgatory they make it capable of no other fuell then timber hay and stubble the defilements of veniall and mortall sinnes S. Pauls fire makes euery mans worke manifest the Popes fire burning in an obscure place is without all lustre and light Besides if they vnderstand the Apostle as speaking of a reall fire they must also grant that hee speakes of materiall gold and siluer c. If th' one be Metaphoricall there is no reason they should deny th' other to bee Allegoricall Ma. Your Inference hath the warrant of Quintilian In Allegoria saith he tenendum est illud vt quo ex genere rerum coeperis eodem desinas secus Inconsequentia foedissima erit But as I remember I haue read sundry fathers alleadged g Motiue T.H. pag. 110. that the Apostle doth there intimate the fire of Purgatory Min. Those testimonies of the Fathers which speake of the fire of the day of doome or of Diuine Iudgement which is ignis probaâ—s non purgans these wrangling Sophisters take with the left hand to support the purging and tormenting flames which the bellowes of their superstition hath kindled in the forge of credulity As for this fire here specified h In Locum sermo Christi est saith S. Amb. It is the word of Christ i In Psal 118. Ser. 18.3 opus quod ardere dicitur mala doctrina est The worke which is said to burne is euill doctrine S. Bernard though elsewhere somewhat ouerswayed with the currant of those times is yet content to imforme k Bern. serm de Lig. foen Stipul vs That the bitternesse of the soule the confession of the mouth the punishment of the body which are all in this life are that fire whereby the loose and negligent builder shall bee saued l Lib. 2. aduers Iâ—uin S. Hierome by this fire vnderstandeth the furnace of tentation whereby a man is tried in this life Iab The fathers may somtimes m Pag. 78. bring places of Scripture which haue other sence yea perhaps the sence that one or
without any scarre Nick. I pray you what likenesse is there between Sacer dotes and Scortatores yet as I haue heard my master say in one Edition of the new Testament set out at Coleyn in steed of these words h 1. Cor. 6.9 Neque Scortatores regnū dei possidebunt he hath found it thus printed Neque Sacerdotes regnum dei possidebunt I hope you will not challenge the Printer for allusion to your olde trade I perswade my selfe it was his misprision though some haue thought hee did it to cry quittance with his wiues Confessour I hope this was more then the change of one poore sillable the tayle of the g being the same with a Romane s and a running o. not vnprobably to be supposed to haue lost the head of a d. through hast of a speedy pen. To put vt for at is no such capitall crime Ma. You should rather demand of him what likenesse there is between 34. and 42. 169. and 168. 176. and 172. Such errours are so frequent in his booke that it must of necessity cause wrong quotations yet in my conscience I do not thinke the Doctor was accessary to these or the like scapes wherewith his lines doe abound T is like the Printer thought hee had no great good match of your booke Had hee not misdoubted the currant sale thereof hee would haue had a more vigilant eye ouer the presse this his presage made him put i Pag. 63. N. 43 lin 6. giue for deny k Io. lin 8. Indeleble for vndeniable l Pag. 92 N. 3. Edition for Reddition m Pag. 101. N. 13. Deuised for deuided n Pag. 52. N. 29 long for low o Pag. 129. N. 6. Ioyned for moued p Pag. 180. N. 27 Burned for drowned q Pa. 40. N. 15 was for his old seruiceable attendant As. The surplusage and defect of many other words giues vs iust cause to suspect either the Printers care or the Authors skill so that you may well winke at such small faults as the scape of a Monosyllable or two Iab Why r Pag. 42. should he make his Inference in Latin writing in English what English Author vseth that idle manner of Writing but himselfe Min. As if a Schollar being in his owne Element may not be easily carried away with a strong imagination that he is in the Schooles especially writing to a Schollar about Theologicall questions This I haue many times obserued in the Knight that it is yrksom vnto him to write any thing Verbatim which hath passed his penne before neither doth hee without vrgent necessity render that authority in English which hee hath quoted in Latin All wittes haue not the patience alike to endure the repetition of the same things and such for the most part take that first which first offereth it selfe and may bee dispatched with fewest Characters taking vp the least roome Ma. Whether his Inference were in Latine or English it is litigium de forma I am sure he vouched S. Hieromes ſ In praef lib. Sal authority that the Church read the book of Machabees for the edification of the common people but receaued them not amongst the Canonicall Scriptures for the authorizing of Ecclesiasticall decrees which was as much as the Knight intended by secluding them from the Canon of Faith Iab This is nothing to the purpose t Pag. 43. to proue S. Augustine did reiect them who might bee contrary to S. Hierome in this point not beeing then defined by any generall Councell Ma. S. Hierome contrary to S. Augustine Is not this goodly Rhetorique to draw the Ladies to build their faith vpon the writings of the ancient Fathers Is there any more then one truth Either the booke of Machabees is Canonicall or not You say S. Augustine auerrs it wee proue that S. Hierome Lyra Brito Rabanus Caietan c. deny it Whom shall your Creatures beleeue Will you suffer them to haue such reeling and tottering Consciences Iab u Pag. 44. Caietan whom he citeth iumps not altogether with your conceit and though he did his sayings are not oracles with vs. Min. This kind of disputing will neither get you a Miter nor a Cardinalls Hatte Set you so light by the head-men of your parish Good Dctour let vs know to whose verdit you will stand dare you say to S. Augustines are all his sayings Oracles in your Church Nay saith x In Act. Apost cap. 1. p. 9. a. Lorinus Augustinus incertum putat an Iste Theophilus idem sit cui Lucas Euangelium et Acta nuncupauerit Atqui res certa videtur The Diuines of y 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 De Trinit l. 9. c. 2. in Marg. Louane lay Sophistry to his charge So likewise writeth your Iesuite z Comment in Iohan. 6.53 Maldonate Augustini et Innocentij primi sententia fuit quae sexcentos fere annos viguit in ecclesia Eucharistiam etiam infantibus necessariam esse quae tandem ab ecclesia reiecta est The opinion of Augustine and Innocentius the first which was receiued in the Church well nigh sixe hundred yeares was this that the Eucharist was necessarily to bee ministred vnto Infants which at length is reiected by the church Negare non possumus saith a In Thom. disp 154. cap. 2. 3. Vazquez praedictam opinionem fuisse Augustini et Fulgentij a qua non multum Gregorius Magnus abhorret tamen meo iudicio probabilior eos nulla alia paena quam damni id est priuatione beatitudinis puniri Albeit we cannot deny that b Ser. 14. de verb. Apost et l. 5. cont Iuliā c. 8. Aug. and Fulgentius did teach that Infants dying without Baptisme did presently descend into the place of the damned to be sensibly tormented in hell-fire yet notwithstanding in my iudgement it is more probable that they vndergoe no other punishment then the losse and priuation of beatitude The like censure doth c Concor Euang tom 1. lib. 7. ca. 8 Barradius passe vpon Euthymius Hocloco saith he Euthymius non recte de Virgine sanctissima haec scripsit Non credidit sicut Zacharias c. Procul a Christiano pectore et auribus huiusmodi sint verba Thus doth your Church spunge out the opinions of the ancient Fathers vpon whom you seem so stedfastlie to relye Ma. Then it seems the matter is not great what S. Augustines opinion was touching the Legitimation of the Machabees seeing his words are no Oracles euen with the Doctors of the Romish Church and the rather because the booke according to Iabals confession was not then naturalized by the consent of any Occumenicall Couacell Nick. This is a prettie slight The Fathers are but as feathers when they doe not stick to the Popelings I trow Saint Hierome shall find more fauour at your hands Iab Saint d Pag. 43. Hierome may seeme to speake acoording to the opinion of the Hebrewes as hee vseth to doe not in
imployment of your Logical fragments Ma. You giue him this fatherly aduertisment in good time for me thought I heard him very captious about the examples of the Knights ground which he tearmed childish Iab He talkes Å¿ Pag. 82. like a great Doctor when he hath an ignorant reader Is he not a Nody Logician a youÌ„g gamester in that Art that cannot distinguish betwixt praedicatum subiectum but taketh the one for the other The praedicatum in his two propositions is not the same the subiect beeing different as hee saith but the contrary to witte two different praedicates are spoken of the sâ—me subiect The thing spoken is Iudge of those without Iudge of those within which are diuers titles praedicates and properties the thing of which it is spoken is God one and the selfe same subiect on whom both those titles light And seeing Subiectum in a speech is that which goeth before the verbe Praedicatum that which followeth the boyes of Eaton may serue to laugh him out of his witlesse bragging Min. Now doe I beleeue you haue as little Logicke as Diuinity Vnlesse you had a purpose to shew Midas his eares and to be hooted out of your Lions skinne I cannot see what should mooue you thus grossely to bewray your captious folly The Knight propoundeth his proposition as it lyes in the text t 1. Cor. 5.13 Eos qui foris sunt deus iudicabit which hee matcheth with another as true and so placed Eos qui intus sunt Deus iudicabit Now the question is which is the Praedicate and which are the subiects of these two propositions Let them bee Logically reduced as they lye and then they stand thus u Nomen ex pluribus â—ocibus combinatum debet ad vnicam simplicem vocem reduci Ethnici sunt à x Or Subijciuntur iudâ—cio diuino Deo iudicandi Christiani sunt à Deo iudicandi Is not the Praedicate which commeth after the Copula the same in both propositions are not the Subiects which goe before different Is it not spoken as well of those that are without as of those who are within that they are liable to the iudgement of one and the same God The thing spoken is to bee iudged of God which is one selfesame attribute the Subiects of which it is spoken are different viz. those that are without those that are within If Iudging those without Iudging those within be the Praedicates then are you to seeke a Copula Wherefore you should first make your proposition Logicall according to the y Interpretatio facienda est ex dicentis vel serâ—entis primaria intentione Propounders sence before you had passed so rash and childish a Censure I confesse you may by a Cripticall disposition and Grammaticall construction turn the Cat in the panne and change the places which made the Knight adde E contra to the proposall of his ground But the former enunciation as it was directly mentioned by the Knight so is it more z Propria praedicatio est quando superius de suo inferiore enunciatur proper the Iudge being superiour to the thing iudged Besides the Knight did not so much direct his Reader to the placing and marshalling of the words in the Proposition as to their order and reference in Argumentation implying that it is no good consequence to argue thus They that are without shall bee iudged by God Ergo They that are within shall not be iudged by God because both are indifferently a Illud in propositione est verum et naturale Subiectum quod extra propositionem 〈◊〉 ipsa reruÌ„ natura subijcitur subiect to the sentence of that great Iudge whose Iudgement may be most truely spoken of them as comprizing both within the generality of the verge thereof Nick. The Doctour is so studious in the rules of Prudency that he is to seeke euen in the Principles of Logick Many a one talks of Robin-Hood who neuer shot in his bow his meaning is to lead vs ouer hedge and ditch right the wild-goose chace that so by stooping to these trifles wee might loose the sent of the question Doth not my Masters ground exemplified with these instances nullifie your deduction Iab He must take b Pag. 85. 86. to himselfe the Nody he laid vpon our Exposition That must needs bee the meaning of the words which taken away leaueth them in an empty sound void of graue and full sence the speech should be absurd for want of sence or mystery should he expresse a truth in a Disiunctiue speech one clause whereof is sencelesse This superfluity of speech wee take it a great blasphemy in you to suspect in the Doctrine of Christ Min. Wee hold it no superfluity but rather a weighty enforcement of Diuine elegancy Thus when the Euangelist speaking of Christ saith c Mat. 5.2 Aperiens os suum à ocebat eos opening his mouth hee taught them wee may not inferre that a man may speake without opening his mouth or else one clause is idle and sencelesse the setting out of one and the same thing in a diuers phrase giueth a d Tanquam magna profunda sed aperta dicturus Gorran weight to that which is spoken Vbicunque legitur Dominus aperuisse os saith S. e De Serm. domini in monte Augustine inspiciendum est quia magna sunt quae sequuntur Illud diligenter notandum saith f In Psal 1. Bellarmine Consuetudinem Dauidis et aliorum Prophetarum esse vt id ipsum bis repetant ita vt vna pars versiculi sit repetitio explicatio alterius This is diligently to be noted that it is the custome of Dauid and the other Prophets to repeat the same thing twice so that the one part of a verse is the repetition and explication of the other T is an ordinary phrase in the Scripture to say g Psal 72. v. 5. As long as the Sunne and Moone endureth May he hence imagine that therefore the Moone shall endure after the Sunne or shall we taxe the Prophet for a superfluous speech Id ipsum explicat verbis idem significantibus saith Bellarmine of the like Hee expresseth the same thing in other words tending to the same sence So heere when he saith nec in hoc saeculo nec in futuro the words do Rhetorically and Emphatically giue life vnto the assertion in the former verse viz. h Mat. 12.31 Non remittetur it shall not be forgiuen him which this annexed Disiunctiue explayneth to signifie as much as neuer Ma. The Doctor I presume is not ignorant that there were in those dayes not a few highly renowned Saduces who denied the i Act. 23.8 Resurrection and by consequence any after-life Wherefore the addition of the latter part touching the World to come were in no sort to be deemed idle had it only reference to the abating of the courage of these Heretikes who confining their ioyes and sorrowes within the
vse May not such a Pilot as Dr. Iabal steere their vessells vpon the rockes and sandes how shall they know that this or that is the sence or Tradition of the Catholique church I see no remedy for them but to fly to Socrates Zozomen Eusebius Theodoret and the other Antiquaries for releife and then they must be well skilled in the tongues Nick. Yf there should be a grammar schoole erected for the feminine gender it would be a braue world Iabal would sue for the Vsher-shipp O how featly would he discipline their Albes There would be Tollo tollis sustuli The Girles will neuer consent to so harsh a motion they had rather speake true english at home then make false latin at Schoole vnder such an yll-faced Tutor Iab Had not m Pag. 58. Luther the first fruites of the protestants spirit Yet he erred most grossely that euen Zuinglius his fellow-witnes against the Pope doth giue this testimony against him Thou Luther doest corrupt the worde of God thou art seene to be a manifest corrupter of the holy Scriptures If he be so corrupt what translation or spirit of your church may your Ladies trust Ma. These are not the first fruites of your witlesse malice neither was Luther the first Coyner of our protestant faith which doth carry the right stampe of the most auncient sacred and primitiue truth Let the Scripture be the arbitrator of his writings then will your slaunder be soone silenced and supprest with shame As he was a man he might be subiect to some particular error which if Zuinglius reproued by warrant of the Scriptures it proceeded from his loue to the truth not out of hatred to his person And haue there not bene worse broyles among your scholasticall Diuines Haue not the positiue Constitutions of former Councells bene repealed by those that succeded Haue not the Popes Decrees bene censured and discarded by their successors Where was your Catholique spirit all that while It is in vaine to looke for a n Foelix qui minimis vrgetur heauen vppon earth Shall the whole fabrick be puld downe because a Wyndowe or a Chimney or a Tyle is misplaced He is a good Architect that leaues nothing to mend Zuinglius his reproofe may informe you that our Church is more deuoted to the Scriptures verity then to the most prime mans authority Iab This is o Pag. 98. 99. the felicity of our Catholike Ladies that by the worde of the Church they know certainlie which is the letter of the scripture Which your Ladyes like stray-sheepe must seeke on the topp of craggy mountaines as the Knight tearmeth the Hebrew language not without eminent daunger of an eternall downefall Nick. Here is a doe with the Ladies falling Yf you were their Gentleman Vsher should they not haue a stout supporter Stand to your tackling good Doctor Iab There is such a Ibid. confusion in your Church that as Irenaeus noted of auncient Heretikes one shall scarce find two that will spell the same sence out of the same wordes Ma. Why hath God giuen such diuersity of guiftes to his Church but that there should be q Quid in diuinis eloquiis largius vberius potuit diuinitus prouideri quam vt eâ—dem verba pluribus inte ligantur modu Aug. de Doct. Chris lib. 3. variety of applications Is not the Kings Daughter in fimbrijs aureis circumamicta r Psal 45.14 varietatibus Clad in a vesture wrought about with diuerse colours If the stuffe be the same t is no great matter though the lace and embrodery be not laid in all alike What contradictions can can you specify in their expositions Iab These foure Å¿ Pag. 99. wordes Hoc est corpus meum contayning not aboue fourteene letters you haue deuised aboue fower times fortie expositions so different as the Authors of the one damne the Fauorers of the other to Hell Ma. A fitt receptacle for all such loud lyars who care not what Crudityes they vomit vppon the bosome of the most eminent and innocent persons without either feare or shame Min. They that are conuersant in the writings of your Catholique Authors know that there is allmost as much difference among them about the three letters of this one sillable Hoc as is amongst the Protestants in the whole sentence Ma. If Mercury himselfe were amongst them with his rodd of truce all his Rhetorique would hardly teach them their t Quid dem quid non dem renuis tu quod iubet alter Concordes Iabal forgets how Leo the second condemned Pope u In Epist ad Imperat. ad fin 6. Synod Honorius for an Heretique Had Zuinglius serued Luthers bookes as Pope x Platina in Sabin Senens lib. 4. pag. 23. Sabinian did the workes of Gregorie his predecessor wee should haue an outcry against fiery spirits then he might more tolerably haue demaunded What shal your poore Ladies do in this combate Iab They may y Pag. 99. rashly perswade themselues that this or that exposition is the best but certaine of any thing they can neuer bee till they admit the Catholike Ladies A.B.C. the Churches authoritie learning of her the sence of whom they tooke the text Nick. When the men of Thessalonica z Act. 17.11 tried the Apostles Doctrine whether it were true or no did they send a Legate to learne the judgement of the Church of Rome Vnto whom did they repaire but vnto a Scrutabantur Scripturas him that had the wordes of life Our Ladies are not so raw in the Scriptures but that if there were such difference amongst our Ministers as you suppose they can take that which doth best agree with the Analogie of Faith and the Rule of Charitie The spirit of God is not so fixed to the Doctors chaire but that it is most free to make euen them of the lowest forme b Super Senes intellexi quia mandata tua quaesiui Psa 119 v. 100. wise vnto saluation Ma. I haue heard a worthie speech of Panormitan often alleaged to this purpose that there is more credit to be giuen to one c Plus credendum viro Laico afferenti Scripturas c. Laick that bringeth Scripture then to a generall Councell representing the vniuersall Church if it haue not the warrant of the word It is not long time since I read how Paphnutius by this meanes preuailed against a whole Synode and stopped the passage of the warrantlesse superstition of single life And not without great reason For if antiquitie be to bee respected or consent to be regarded the Prophets and Apostles haue the superioririe in both Min. Whereas he complaines of confusion and danger of misinterpretation for the magnifying of Tradition he forgets the censure of d Lib. 3. Cap. 2 Irenaeus vpon the prime Heretiques for the same quarrell e Difficilis paucisque conueniens eruditis Aug. aduers Iulian. l. 5. c. 1 Iulian the Pelagian thought by
testis Dei aut Sacrilegus habeatur Which Censure I can hardly perceiue how the Doctor wil shun seeing that without either euidence of Scripture or warrant of anie Primitiue Father he would a Stamen flaccidum arancosi pertexit Basil impose vs vnder the glorious title of his Church so super-stitious a Custome Nick. Their Romish Church is Magna Diana Ephesiorum of more principalitie then the rest her authority must out-sway Scriptures Fathers whatsoeuer else is of most sacred esteeme Iab Saint Irenaeus a b Pag. 120. most Ancient Bishop and Martyr who liued immediately after the Apostles dayes doth giue the former stile to the Roman Church planted by the most glorious Apostles Peter and Paul Ad quam propter potentiorem principalitatem necesse est omnem conuenire Ecclesiam which principalitâ—e you cannot imagine what else it may be besides the Primacie of Peter to whome Christ did make subiect all other Pastors and Churches by the light of which singular priuiledge bestowed on this Church in her first Pastor shee doth shine Velut inter ignes Luna minores And in this respect the Roman Church may be termed Diana Nick. It is not vnlike for shee hath turn'd you into a fugitiue and sencelesse Creature If you bee wearied in the Chase you know whom to thanke Ma. In my opinion Iabal is taken in his own toile tript in his own turne The Roman Church saith he shines as the Moone amongst the lesser starres He doth well to say as the Moone which is still in the change Shee that was a beautifull c Fuimus Troes Queene in the dayes of Irenaeus is now become a painted d Peiora nouissima primis Harlot prostituted to all manner of Impuritie Superstition hath blowne vpon Dianas Nimphes so that they can now no longer stand vpon tearmes of virginitie She that was Princesse amongst the Churches is made tributarie to Sathan her light is ecclipsed with Idolatrous positions and Antichristian practises She hath changed her e Tune lignei calices aurei Sacerdotes Nunc aurei calices lignei Sacerdotes Bernard wodden Chalices but she hath lost her golden Priests Min. Had Irenaeus taken Principalitie in your sence for an absolute spirituall and vniuersall preheminence and jurisdiction ouer al other Churches he would not haue beene so bold as to controle that great Victor chiefe Superintendent of so predominant a Sea You may probably imagine he intended no such necessarie subiection thereunto as would serue your turne seeing hee f Euseb li. 5. c. 23 joyned with those who did communicate with the Asian Churches notwithstanding the excommunication which the Pope had denounced against them The Church of Rome was then in the ful glittering with splendencie of Martyrdome wherefore hee sendeth the Heretikes with whom hee was confronted thither for light where the brightest rayes of orient truth were most conspicuous Had hee liued to see Turbanus that man of sinne with the furze-bush of superstitious Trumperies at his backe seated in your Moone hee would haue blessed himselfe at the sight of so strange a Metamorphosis Iab Heretikes g Pag. â—01 in all ages haue beene condemned by the Iudgement of the Roman See by the light of her authoritie they were forced to see the deformitie of their hellish pride This consideration mooued Saint Augustine to say that the Catholike Church deriued from the Apostolike See partly by the authoritie of Councels partly by the Consent of the World partly in the Maiestie of Miracles had obtained the height of authoritie frustra circum latrantibus haereticis Nick. Forward Children are seldome long-liued Wel-fare him that hath a winter-witte long a ripening Did you euer heare such an vnmellow kind of arguing That which Saint Augustine speakes of the Catholike Church hee applies to his Romish Synagogue Admit hee had spoken of Iabals Apostolike See as it then was Whence did it obtaine the height of authoritie but from the Consent of h Propter quod vnumquodque tale illud magis tale Councels and from the maiestie of truth Doth this make any thing for the Principalitie of Rome innouated which is now so farre from taking her authoritie from Councels that she disanulleth and ouerswayeth them at her pleasure So farre from receiuing countenance from the truth that shee discardeth the most sacred veritie which beareth not the Impresse of her partiall sences If I bee not deceiued Heretikes haue beene also confuted and condemned by Damascene Epiphanius Irenaeus and other Greeke Fathers as sufficiently as by the Popes of Rome It were wel if you would now dippe the tippe of your tongue in one dramme of witte to giue a better relish to your speech Min. Whilest Rome being the most opulent populous and eminent Citie of Christendome helde forth the burning Taper of Gods truth there was great reason she should bee held in especiall regard but now the Candlesticke being remoued it is as iust that her authoritie should bee lessened Saint i Lib. de peccat merit remis cap. 27. Augustine was not so Parasiticall as to flatter her in her errours There was a Case wherein bee did not sticke to say Magis me mouet authoritas Ecclesiarum Orientalium And Aeneas Siluius is not afraid to say that before the Nicene Councell there was no great respect had of Rome So thar it is not the person of Peter but her Constancy in the faith of Peter that did make her great Besides the greatnes whereof S. Augustine doth speake is not ascribed to the Roman but to the whole Catholique Church Ma. I doe not remember that we receyued either Scriptures Creede or the fower first generall Councels or any foundation of faith from the Roman Church Iab Perhaps k Pag. 102. your reason is because these Councells were held not in Europe but in Greece but the cause was the purity of one neuer falling into heresy and the infelicity of the other neuer to be without the inuentors of such Monsters Those heresies against which such Councells were called did spring vp in Greece This was the cause that the Orthodoxall Bishops of Greece in defence of trueth were often forced to fly for succour to the Roman Ma. Had there bene such Principality in the Papal Sea as you surmise those Heretiques would rather haue bene cited to the Romish Consistory and there receyued their doome Those worthie Patriarches Athanasius and Paulus sent not vnto the Pope as vnto one Supreame vnder God vppon earth ouer the flock of Christ but as vnto a Christian Bishop who was bound to interpose his best ayde for the Peace of the Church Besides those of Rome there also were other Bishops whose presence was there also required I hope you will not saie there was a superiority in all Min. Nay l In vita Bonifacij 3. Platina tells vs that the whole Greeke Church was so farre from yeilding to the Popes m It differed also in the obseruation of the
better prooued by witnesses then Lipsius his bare assertion Iab I haue heard y Pag. 138. that those potent pious and prudent Princes whom the Knight so commends did shew this miraculous Creature and monument of Gods infinite power and goodnesse to that noble personage he waited on in that Embassage assuring him vpon their knowledge who knew the partie both before and after the cure that the miracle was most vndoubted at which sight it is very probable the Knight was present Nick. Nay then wee will no more meddle with your miracles Haue you the face to beare vs downe with such shamelesse z Quid domini facient audent cum taâ—a fures falshoods What will hee not vndertake who thinkes to make a man beleeue hee saw that which he did not so much as heare Shall I tell you vpon my faith and credit I saw an answere written from that noble a Earle of Hertford Earle vnto my Master the tenor whereof was this I receiued your Letter on Satterday by my seruant Gregorie Boys c. What you account to be a fauour I esteeme as a due of honour to giue witnesse to the truth when it is questioned c. My answere vnto your request for your full satisfastion is this When it pleased his Maiestie to imploy my seruice in the Lowe Countries all thinges considered very vnworthie any way for such an Embassage vnto those great Personages the name of Iohn Clement was not knowne to mee by any occasion whatsoeuer nor I thinke from the best to the meanest of my troope much lesse did I heare any word from the mouth of eyther of those great Princes the Infanta or the Arch-Duke at any time no not when I had the freest conuerse with them which was at the dinner I was inuited vnto by their Highnesses c. So that by this you must giue vs leaue to guesse of your sinceritie in the rest of your ridiculous Legends Iab I cannot wonder b Pag. 138 enough at the miraculous impudencie of your Ministers who hauing accused such famous miracles as ours are for false dare set to sale their owne toyes and trifles as most credible things Ma. You shall doe well to tell vs who those Ministers be and what those trifles are Iab Ioseph c Pag. 138. 139. Hall brings you a miraculous tongue which hee got in his trauels in the Lowe Countries A Graphieâ—e told him that a certaine Heretike being condemned to be burned went singing to the stake for which the Magistrate caused his tongue to be cut out and in punishment heereof the Magistrates sonne that was borne afterwards had his tongue hanging down vpon his chinne like a Deere after a long chase Ma. Mirabilia sunt opera tua domine The right hand of the Lord bringeth mighty things to passe Such is his Iustice that he oftentimes retaliateth cruelty in the like kind An eye for an eye and a tongue for a tongue But seeing the Author doth not Iurare in verba magistri if you will not beleeue it you haue it as good cheape as he he doth not deny but that his mother might loose her longing for a neates tongue That which hee credibly surmizeth is this that Lypsius would haue made a great matter of a lesse hint had there bin a shadow of halfe this probability to serue his turne Min. Iabals partiality is worth the noting Wee must beleeue that d Capgraue Austen the Monke obtained by prayer that certaine men of Dorset and all their posterity should haue tayles for hanging fish tayles in scorne at his backe and that Thomas Becket furnished our Kentishmen with the like Pickadillies for cutting off his horse tail These mushrumps grounded vpon a lesse motiue may not bee questioned though nothing so euident as a blareing label-lolling tongue which without the helpe of a Muffler could not be so well concealed Iab How would e Pag. 135. these hennes cackle could they lay an egge worth the finding that thus bragge of a shell full of wind Ma. Where such demonstrations of Gods iustice doe occurre they are not to bee smothered When the scout you send into those parts shall disproue the relation wee will say the Graphiere was a knaue till then we haue reason to conceiue the best neither do we doubt but the generall good opinion of Doctor Halls sincerity will turne Lipsius his credit out of the Hall into the Kitchin Iab Iohn Foxe brings a f Pag. 140. dainty and rare dish Cranmers owne heart which in the fire his whole body beeing consumed into ashes was sound whole and intire which wonder seemeth to me the greater in regard of the tendernesse of your Martyrs heart more flexible then waxe to any religion which the Prince would haue him bend vnto Ma. Si satis g Seneca sit accusasse quis erit innocens Cranmers Epistles sent to the Queene his confession of the true Faith with detestation of Popery found in his bosome at the time of his executioÌ„ the reuenge which he shewed in burning the hand that through frailtie and cruell vsage had inconsiderately subscribed do sufficiently free him from the suspition both of irreligious leuity which the voluntary neglect of his worldly dignities for the maintenance of the Faith and a good conscience doth euidently disprooue as also of all proditory or trecherous entendments wherewith your Garnetian brood is so generally and notoriously inured Iab By whom I h Pag. 140. 141 pray you was that heart found by Catholikes why are they not named by Protestants why did they not take it vp Did they feare to scorch their Protestant fingers in the ashes of that fire that spared a Protestant heart If they tooke it vp what is become of it where is it kept Nick. T is fit indeed you should be made acquainted Would you serue Cranmers heart as your associates did Bucers bones If the fire wold not burn it you would try what the Butchers chopping-knife could doe I haue heard good Diuines say that the body of Moses was purposely concealed least it should haue beene Idolatrouslie worshipped neither did it stand with the wisedome or safetie of those professors by whom this heart was discouered to make proclamation thereof least the subtiltie or cruelty of your Iesuites might haue exposed it to a second ignominious doome Wheresoeuer it is it is safe enough from the scorching of your scandalous pen. Min. Touching this holie mans heart I will say vnto thee as the Angell of the Lord spake vnto the Deuill i Zach. 3 2. The Lord rebuke thee O Sathan euen the Lord that hath chosen Ierusalem rebuke thee Is not this a brand pluckt out of the fire Iab It is not k Pag. 141. wisedome for any mans faith to feede ouerhastily vpon so dangerous a dish of meat Min. Haue we not the like instance of Gods powerfull prouidence in the preseruation of Zuinglius his hart from the fiery flames