do still remayne at one tyme though far remote one from another whereas these Precedent and future tymes in both which one and the same Jnstant of Duration or Eternity is are euer in a flowing and departing Motion and consequently cannot by any possibility remayne together For we see that the tyme past doth euer giue place to the tyme to come Thus far of these former Animaduersions in this place to shew that it is possible that Christs Boâ—â— may be in seuerall places at one and thâ— same tyme. Animaduersion LXXXXIV IN all Positiue and Affirmatiue Points oâ— fayth the Protestants do agree with the Catholiks the Protestants borrowing thâ— said Affirmatiue points from the Church of Rome According hereto we find Luthâ—â— thus to wryte We (y) Luther lib. Contra Ana. baptist confesse that there is vnder the Papacy most of the Christian Good yâ—â— rather all the Christian Good and that from thence it came to vs. We confesse that there is iâ— the Papacy true Scripture true Baptisme the true Sacrament of the Altar the true keyes to the remission of sinnes the true office of preaching true Catechisme c. I say further there is in thâ— Papacy true Christianity or rather the truâ— kernell of Christianity Thus Luther To the former position I adioyne this following In such points of fayth wherin Protestancy dissenteth from the Roman Church all the said points are merrely Negations to the contrary Affirmatiue Articles belieued by the Church of Rome As for example Deniall of Reall Presence Deniall of praying to Saints Deniall of Freewill and so of the rest Now from these two propositions do result these Inferences or Conclusions following The first that the Protestant as he belieueth any affirmatiue Articles with the Church of Rome in that respect he is not a Protestant but rather a Catholike as â—king the beliefe of them from the Caâ—â—olike Church as is aboue said The seâ—ond Inference That Protestancy as Proâ—stancy consisteth in Deniall of such Affirâ—atiue points which the Church of Rome â—ffirmes to be true and not in belieuing â—ith the said Church certaine chiefe points â—f Christianity The third Inference Seeing â—he reduplicatiue formality of Protestancy reâ—teth in Negations or priuations of an Affirmatiue fayth and seing Negations or priâ—â—tions haue no Entity subsistence or reall being that therfore Protestancy as Protestancy hath no reality of Being but is in it selfe a meere Non-entity or nothing consequently it followeth that Protestancy cannot proceed from God who is the Authour of things and of that which is but not of that which is not or is Nothing The last Inference shal be That Protestants by their Deniall of so many Affirmatiue Articles of Christianity may seeme to beare great Reference to Antichrist who at his comming shall by his Deniall of all points of Christian Religion seeke what in him lyeth to annihilate and ouerthrow all Christian Religion And for such his proceeding some ancient Fathers do coÌ„iecture that his name shal be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifying Nego as Hyppolitus Martyr writeth in Oratione de consummatione mundi And this both by reason that this Greeke Word maketh vp the number to wit 666. which is ascribed peculiarly to Antichrist in the Apocalyps cap. 13. as also in that Antichrist his Ministers at his comming both in their Dâ—nialls and workes shall labour mightely to euert Christian Religion Animaduersion LXXXXV THough Protestancy seeme to maintaine some Affirmatiue Positions as Parity of Ministers Mariage of Priests and other Votaries Reprobation Christs only Mediatorship by way of Jntercession Christ suffering in Soule yet it is euident that these poutions are only Affirmatiue in words but merely Negatiue in sense since they are Negatiues to the Monarchy of the Churches Gouermentâ— to vowed Chastity to vniuersality of Grace to the Intercession of Saincts and to the all sufficiency of Christs Corporall Death All which our Catholike points are Affirmatiue Such is the subtility of Innouation in Doctrine as for the greater honour to inuest their Negatiue Tenets in Affirmatiue Titles Animaduersion LXXXXVI THough in shew of words Falshood as is aboue shewed may be deliuered in Affirmatiues so I here say that Truth sometimes is deliuered in Negatiue Words notwithstanding Truth is euer Affirmatiue and Falshood Negatiue and therfore the Schoolemen truly teach Intellectus (z) S. Thomas part 1. q. 17. decipituâ— non circa quid est sed circa quid non est To exemplify this Animaduersion To say God is cruel or Man is blind though these sayings be deliuered in Affirmatiue termes and false yet they are in sense and vnderstanding meerely Negatiue since Cruelty is exclusiue to Mercy and blindnes to sight so on the contrary to say God is not Cruell and Man is not blynd though they be in termes Negatiue true yet they are in sense Affirmatiue only as denying the Negation of Mercy in God and of Blindnes in Man Animaduersion LXXXXVII OVr Aduersaries cannot agree among themselues what Doctrines be Protestancy and who ought to be truly termed Protestants Can their Religion then be true and descend from Heauen Here then I will first shew within what narrow Limits our Aduersaries do confine Protestancy and the members of the Protestant Church Next then I will discouer such is the fluctuating and wauering iudgment of them herein how they are content at other times to extend and enlarge those bounds by affording Protestancâ— and the members therof a greater space or compasse as I may say to expatiate and walke in And to begin D. Whitaker thus sayth of the Papists J will (a) L. 2. contra Duraum Sect. 1. not allow the very name of a lawfull Church vnto the Roman Church because it hath nothing which a true Chuâ—â—â— ought to haue The Confession of Ausburg excludes the Anabaptists in these words we (b) Cap. â— condemne the Anabaptists who disallow the Baptisme of Infants and thinke them to be saâ—â—â— without Baptisme to which sentence the Confession of Switzerland (c) Cap. 20. subscribeth The Arians are excluded from being Protestants by the foresaid Confession of Ausburg in these termes We (d) Act. 1. condemne all Heresies rising against this Article meaning the Article of the Trinity as the Manichees Arians Eunomians c. All Heretikes are excluded out of the number of Protestants for thus D. Suâ—cliffe teacheth Heretikes (e) In his first Booke of the Church c. 1. are not of the Church meaning of the true Church and consequently in his iudgment of the Protestant Church With whom agrees D. White saying All (f) In his way to the Church pag. 10. Heretiks teach the truth in some things yet we deny them to be of the Church of God That Schismatikes are not of the Protestant Church is taught for thus writeth D. Fulke (g) Of the succession of the Church What skilleth it whether one being drawne by Heresy or Schisme from thâ— body of Christ be subiect to eternall
Superstitious then a Protestant And a Protestant sooner becom an Atheist then a Catholike The Reason of both is euident And first whereas the Catholike Religion besides the beliefe of many dogmaticall points of fayth retayneth the practise of many Ceremonies the true vse of which Ceremonies as being first instituted by the primitiue Church are most lawfull but now if the ignorant Catholike through want of due instruction do ascribe more to them then is due or do put greater cōfidence in them then he ought as forgetting them to be but Ceremonies then perhaps he may haue a superstitious conceite of them as it happened in the Brazen Serpent though otherwise seruing as the figure of Christ To which the Iewes through abuse thereof in ascribing more worship to it then they ought at length bare a Superstitions respect But now touching the Protestants greater propension to Atheisme the reason is in that Protestancy euer refynes it selfe by Negatiues Thus for example The Caluinist or Puritan denies more then Lutheran or the moderate Protestāt The Anabaptist more then the Puritan The Anti-trinitarians more then the Anabaptists the Iew or Turks more then the Anti-trinitarians and for the last sublimation through deniall of all Iudaisme and Turcisme resolues into Atheisme And hereupon we find that whereas many Protestants by their often refyning of their Religion and all by Negatiues do in the end become Atheists denying euen the being of a Deity that few or no Catholikes immediatly from Catholike Religion euer fall into the open Blasphemy of Atheisme Animaduersion CVIII THe preaching of the Word and Sacraments supposing them to be Notes of the Church as our Aduersaries do suggest proue only the Place where the Church is but not which is the Church For the Church consisteth of men and we cannot tell who they are that receaue the Word truly preached or the Sacraments truly administred Againe whereas as Lubbertus (k) L. 4. de Eccles cap. 1. a Protestant truly teacheth Notius est duplex vnum Naturae alterum nobis Now here the Question is only of such Notes as are Notes in respect of vs for our better informing which is the true Church and not as they are Notes in respect of Nature For here we are instructed a posteriori and according to the measure of that knowledg which God vouchsafes to afford to vs. Now in reference hereto we freely grant that the true preaching of the word and Administration of the Sacraments may be termed Notes of the Church but not Notes to vs which is only the point here stood vpon For though they be Notes in Nature of the truth of the Church yet what doth this auayle vs since they are not Notes to vs for our direction to find which is the true Church Againe the true preaching of the word and the Administration of the Sacraments cannot be Notes to vs which is the true Church seeing the Scripture it selfe cannot be made knowne to vs for Scripture but only by the attestation of the Church as M. Hooker testifieth in these words Of (l) Hooker in Eccles Pol. saec 14. l. 1. pag. 86. things necessary the very chiefest is to know what Bookes we are to esteeme holy which is confessed impossible for the Scripture it selfe to teach And againe We (m) Vbi supra l. 3. p. 146. all know the first outward Motiue to esteeme of the Scripture is the authority of the Church Thus he Now this being granted it ineuitably followeth that first we must know which is the true Church to giue this approbation of the Scripture before we can know which is the Scripture and much more then before we can be assured of the true preaching of the Word and which is the true construction of the Scripture To these former Arguments I adioyne this pertinent obseruation It is this When the Catholikes demand to set downe the true Notes of the Church our Aduersaries answering That is the true Church which enioyeth a true preaching of the Word and an auayleable administration of the Sacraments Now I here affirme that this description of Notes is but our owne Question returned vs back in other termes and consequently but a Sophisme consisting in an idle circulation of the same point inuested with a new forme of words For when I demand which is the true Church I vertually implicitly and according to the immediate meaning of my words demand which Church is that which enioyeth the true preaching of the word and the true vse of the Sacraments since only the true Church is honored with this kind of preaching and distribution of the Sacraments Thus far touching the Notes prostituted by our Aduersaries as the true Notes of Christ his Church Animaduersion CIX SVch Protestants as do mantayne that there were Protestants in all ages before Luther giue the reason that the feare of Persecution was the cause why the said Protestants did then lye latent and became not visible to the world But this is a meere aēry suggestion For thus I argue The Church of God vnder persecution either communicateth openly with a false visible Church in participation of Sacraments and externall professiō of fayth Or els she doth refrayne from all such externall Communion if she do communicate with a false Idolatrous Church as diuers of our Aduersaryes repute the Church of Rome to be then is she not the true Church since the true Church cannot brooke any such dissimulation For we read With the hart a (n) Rom. 10. Mā belieueth vnto Iustice and with the mouth confesseth vnto Saluation If she doth not communicate with it then by such her forbearing she is made knowne and consequently is become thereby visible for who are persecuted but Men that are knowne Or how can one lying secretly and hiddenly be said to be persecuted The truth of this point is further warrantable from the examples of the persecution in the primitiue Church which of all other pressures of the Church was incomparably the greatest And yet we fynd that the particular Bishops Confessours and Martyrs are euen to this day made knowne who they were what false Opinions and Heresyes they impugned And the like may be said of the English Catholikes persecuted in Queene Elizabeths reigne since the names and memoryes of those reuerend Pryests and others of the Laity to speake nothing of many worthy Confessours and other suffering great losses and disgraces who lost their lyues in her dayes only for Religion are euen to this day fresh and recorded Therefore I heare demaund that if the Catholiks in this our Country being but a small part of Christendome could not but for some few nūbers of yeares in comparison escape the search and hands of their persecutours and become thereby most visible knowne How could then the Protestants being supposed to be dispersed thtoughout many Nations lye hid and auoyd for so many ages together as is pretended the force of that persecution which is affirmed by
mâ—n forcible to wring out Confession then any racâ—â— torment For the proofe of this verity I refer the studious Reader to the Booke of the Protestants Apology where beginning at the Page 684. sâ—quentib at the letter M. in the margent he shall find fyfty at least of our Affirmatiue and Catholike Doctrines defended and maintayned by the most learned Protestants that euer did write I will here only reckon the tiles of diuers of the said Articles so belieued and taught by the Protestants viz. 1. Real presence 2. That Sacraments do confer grace 3. The sufficiency of Chricts corporall Death 4. That Christ descended in soule into Limbus Patrum 5. The continuall Visibility of the Church 6. The Necessity of Good works to Saluation 7. Euangelicall Counsells 8. The Doctrine of vniuersality of Grace 9. That God doth only permit sinne but decreeth it not 10. That men are not certaine of their Election 11. That to Children of the faythfull dying vnbaptized saluation is not promised 12. Free-will 13. That in regard of Christs Passion and promisse our Good works are meritorious 14. TeÌ„porall punishment reserued by God in Iustice after the sinne is remitted 15. Peters Primacy 16. Intercession of Angells 17. Intercession of Saincts 18. Jnuocation of Saincts 19. Vowed Chastity 20. Voluntary â—ouerty Chastity and Obedience 21. Prayer for the Dead 22. Purgatory 23. Limbus Patrum 24. Images in Churches 25. Worshipping of Images 26. Reuerence and bowing at the name of Jesus 27. That the good Works of one may help another 28. Power of a priest to remit sinnes 29. Confession of sinnes 30. Distinction of mortall and veniall sinne 31. The indifferency of Communion vnder one kind 32. Sacrifice of the New Testament according to the Order of Melchisedech 33. The possibâ—lity of the Commandements 34. Transubstantiation 35. That Christ is God of God 36. Thaâ— Christ as Man was from his Natiuity free from Ignorance and was full of knowledg 37 Baptisme of Women and Lay persons in tyme oâ— Necessity 38. Seauen Sacraments 39. Implicitâ— fayth called Fides implicita 40. That Antichrist is yet to come 41. Patronage and protection of certaine Angells ouer certaine Countryes and Kingd mes 42. That the Obseruation of Sunday for our â—abaoth is not alterable 43 That the alteration of the â—aboth from Saturdâ—â— to Sunday not proued by Scripture 44. Set tymes of fasting 45. The true visible Church cannot erre 46. Externall iudgment and not onâ—y Scripture appointed for determining of Contrâ—uersies 47. That the gouerment of the Church is Monarchicall 48. Which is true Scripture determined to vs only by the Church 49. That the Church of Rome is a part of the house of God 50. Vnwritten Traditions besides some other Catholike points taught by the learned Protestants Here now I demand that if the Protestants Proselyts and followers do belieue their Grand-maisters in diuers points of their owne Religion why then should not they belieue the learned Protestants maintayning our Catholike doctrines â—ntâ— abstracting from the authority of the Church both the said seuerall sorts of Protestants do maintayne their contrary Tenets euen with equall and indifferent priuiledg of their owne Priuate Spirit Animaduersion CLXXXVIII AS aboue I compared Luther being Catholike touching manners and Conuersation of Lyfe with Luther being Protestant So heere I will make another comparatiue betweene the Liues of Catholikes and of Protestants And here it is to be obserued that I will not compare the most pious men in former tymes with the best of the Protestants nor the worst men for life of the one Religion with the worst of the other but for the greater confronting of our Aduersaries and aduantage to our Catholike Cause I will compare the declining state of Catholike tymes with the best tymes of Protestancy which is presumed to be at the first entrance and beginning of Protestancy when the first Protestants enioyed the â—rimitiae and first fruites of their Religion This point will be made euident euen from the confessions of the Protestants themselues First then we fynd Luther himself thus to write From (n) Luth in postill super Euangel Dominiâ—ae primae Aduentus the tyme in which the pure Doctrine of the Gospell was first reuealed to light the world hath growne dayly worse Men are more reuengefull couetous licentious then they were euer before in the Papacy With whom Musculus agreeth thus complayning hereof Vt verum (o) Musculus in loc com in cap de Decalog pag. 62. essâ— fateor c. To confesse the truth men are become so vâ—â—ike themselues that whereas in the Pâ—pacy they were religious in their Errours and Superstition now in the light of the knowne truth they are more prophaâ—â— then the very Sonnes of the world I wiâ—â— conclude with the testimony of Erasmus thus discoursing of this point Quos (p) Erasmus Ep. ad fratres Inferioris Germaniae aâ—tea noueram c. Such men as I knew to be before vpright candid modest and sincere in theâ— Conuersation after they had embraced thâ—â— new Sect meaning of the Gospell they iâ—stantly begun to talke of young Women to playâ— dice to leaue of prayer to be most impatient reuengfull of Iniuries and to conclude to abaâ—don all humanity expertus loquor Thus far â—rvsmus And thus much of the balancing oâ— men of these two seuerall Religions Noâ— I heere refer to an indifferent Iudgmenâ— whether it be not a great blemish to Protestancy that it is confessed by the Protâ—stants that the Professours thereof euen 〈◊〉 their best tymes were far worse and moâ— wicked in manners then the Catholikâ—â— their worst and most declyning tymes Animaduersion CLXXXIX THe Protestants much solace themselâ—â— in alledging certaine Texts of Scriptâ—â— in proofe of Iustification by fayth only whâ—â— passages being truly weighed are found 〈◊〉 be most weakely or rather impertineâ—â— alledged as in Math. 9. Thy fayth hath sâ—â— thee Iohn 3 Who belieueth in the Sonne hâ— eternall Lyfe Finally to omit some oâ—â— such seeming Texts Rom. 5. We being â—â—â—fyed by fayth let vs haue peace towards God Tâ— these and such like I answere and deny that it followeth That Fayth only iustifyeth though only Fayth be named For sometymes also other Vertues are only named or the Sacraments For example Luc. 7. we read Many sinnes are forgiuen her because she loued much Iob. 12. Almes deeds freeth from death Rom. 8. By hope we are saued Finally Titus 3. He hath saued vs by the Lawes of regeneration besydes many other such passages And yet no man will gather from theâ—e authorities that Charity or Almesdeeds or Hope or Baptisme do iustiâ—y without Fayth Therfore when many different causes concur to produce one Effect the Scripture ascribeth the same Effect sometymes to one Cause sometymes to another and yet the Scripture doth not intend thereby to signiâ—y that one cause is sufficient without the other causes Now the reason why the Apostle more frequently attributes Iustification to fayth