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A05113	Mr Henry Barrowes platform Which may serve, as a preparative to purge away prelatisme: with some other parts of poperie. Made ready to be sent from Miles Mickle-bound to much-beloved-England. Togither with some other memorable things. And, a familiar dialogue, in and with the which, all the severall matters conteyned in this booke, are set forth and interlaced. After the untimely death of the penman of the foresaid platforme. & his fellow prisoner; who being constant witnesses in points apperteyning to the true worship of God, and right government of his Church, sealed up their testimony with their bloud: and paciently suffred the stopping of their breath, for their love to the Lord. Anno 1593.	Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.	1611 (1611)	STC 1525; ESTC S122418	73,650	164

being received into the soule by faith is the true nourishment therof and salvation of the whole man For he hath redeemed us from death destructiō iustified us in the sight of God and procured us life with him All which we apprehend thorow faith But in this trueth I know you are already grounded so as I need not speak further for your instruction and as for them should I speak should I write should I doe all I can it will not profite them For without the extraordinary work of God they must still beleeve as their church beleeves For that cannot erre as they fondly suppose So that it may hold what it vvill and they must hold the same vvithout all triall or mistrust Thus by one error they are fast fettered in many must be left to their blind guides till they fall togither into the ditch For other guides they will not haue Therfore I shall now spare a labour and speake no further of this point Desiderius Thus brought I you out of the way wherin you were shewing the unlawfulnes of kneeling in the sacramēt Yet vvas it not vvithout fruit for even by that vvhich you haue sayd men may playnely see that vvee ought not to conceite or imitate those supersticious idolatrous and absurd Papists vvho are so addicted to their ovvne vvayes and are like those that cried Great is Diana of the Ephesians Act. 19.28 And great vvith these is their goddesse the false church M. Mick But vvhat say you of the Christians whose cause I pleaded for that addict themselves to the wayes and word of God Desiderius I freely acknowledge that such ought to be lovingly respected And you haue brought me to like better of them then ever I did but espetially that you so well cleared their doctrine of faith to be sound and their separation to be but from sin and such outward orders and ordinances that are unsound and sinfull which they therefore forsake that they might doe the will of God according to his written word the light of our feet and lanterne to all our pathes M. Mick You haue sayd ynough to cleare them both from heresie and schisme for he is no heretique that is sound in the faith And he is no schismatique that separates onely from disorder sin For we ought not to communicate in sin either with men or Angels Desiderius And that is the ground whereupon I my selfe neyther doe nor dare communicate in the Church of England with that sinful ordinance of man the service book or book of cōmon prayer M. Mick If you professe so much in England by your practise as you haue here confessed with your mouth you may happen to be called a Brownist if not to tast of other hard intreaty Des. Yet the truth is the truth Which as it appeareth unto me so stand I bound to obey unto it But I pray you why doe the foresayd people solemnize mariage in civil Assemblies or dwellings M. Mick Because it is a civil action and ought civilly to be performed according to the true nature of it Desiderius Why it is the judgment almost of all men to haue it done in the Church by a Minister And in England it is a common received custome to haue it so performed M. Mick I wish rather that for the proofe of it you could haue sayd Thus saith the Lord. And then to haue shewed the chapter and verse where it is so sayd But you haue done nothing lesse neither in deed it is impossible to be done there being no such thing once named or implied in all the scripture And consequently the ground whereon you stand is not rocky and firme but unsure and sandy which shall wash away with the raine every house built upon such a foundation when the flouds come and the windes blowe shall certainly fall as we may learne both by Christs own doctrine in the Gospell and reason it selfe doth shewe the same And if an Argument drawen from a common custome be good then if it be a common custome to haue the Lords holy Sabbaths profaned with Beare and Bull baiting with dicing and carding with May games and morrice dance with laciviousnes and luxurie with rifling or revelling c. then all is good and all may be done sane conscientia But I hope that both you and every childe of God truely sanctified doe defie and abhorre all such things not onely on the Sabbath dayes but every day of the week and of their whole life And is it not a common received custome in England to worship God by their book of cōmon prayer in English as the Papists by their Massebook in Latin and by their Images beades crucifixes and other the like in stead of true invocation upon the Name of God by the work of his Spirite But being all vvithout and against the vvarrant of the vvord of God your self dare neyther practise nor approve them And vvhy then doe you not minde the like in other things no less unvvarrantable As is the solemnization of mariage ecclesiastically and other such like Many abominations might be pleaded for by common custome and multitude of men in that minde But lay aside these sandy grounds and heare the vvords of the Lavve Thou shalt not follow a multitude to doe evill neyther agree in a controversie to decline after many and overthrow the truth Exod. 23.2 Beleeve it for truth That All Church actions are layd dovvne in the scriptures vvhich is the rule of truth But in them vve finde no mention of mariage to be a Church action Therefore it ought not to be so made or used And againe All the dueties of the Ministerie are expressed in the scriptures But in them there is no more mention or vvarrant for the ministers solemnizing of mariages to the living then is for their burying of the dead vvhich is just none at all Ergo they are both unlavvfull and ought not to be done And where you affirme the contrary saying it ought to be done by a Minister doe you meane a minister indefinitely without any respect whether he be true or false Desiderius No But I meane a true Minister onely For no true Christian ought to goe to false minister for any such end M. Mick Your reason is right and good But then the Ministers of England haue no right in that work they being in respect of their offices not true but false Ministers and so proved Desiderius But in respect of their guiftes they may be sayd to be the Ministers of Christ. For many of them haue excellent giftes M. M. So had Balaam likewise who yet was but a false Minister and a Southsayer And so haue many Lawyers others in our Land if they would and might be suffred to exercise their gifts who yet are no Ministers at all Gifts then doe help to make men fit for a Ministerie but doe not make them ministers much lesse true Ministers For every true Minister must not onely be

cannot be approved by the word of God Shall then this famous Land Right honorable lie still in the knowne dreggs of Popery under Gods wrath for the same Shall a few pompous Prelats for their own private lucre pride and idlenes with hold the practise of Christs testament and misleade the whole land to judgement Shall her Majesties most loyall subjects be persecuted and miserably made away in Prisons for not bowing downe to these confessed abominations Shall her Majestic and her most Honourable Councell be thus guiltie of innocent bloud through the Bishops evill dealings God forbid Especially the the Lord alluring her Majesty the Councell both with spiritual promises heapes of earthly treasures with much peace and happinesse to the whole Land without injurie too or just complaint of any her subjects so highly shall they be contented So that if this be not now received being thus by Gods providence put into your hands it will be received in the age to come whatsoever come of our miserable bodies it will be looked upon It is Gods word wh●●● hath now discovered it which goeth not out in vaine nor returneth fruitlesse but surely effecteth the will of God We haue then further in our discourse right Honourable taken briefly away some of these silver smithes deceitfull objections being ready upon the dispence of our lives through the assistance of Gods spirit to make all appeare mist chaffe and dounge that they can allege for thēselves in this their estate The other parts of our Treatise how this should be effected what the true Ministery of Christ is how it should be erected and brought in wee haue purposely reserved till we know your Honours pleasure for the discussing of these which must be agreed upon before we can proceed to the other and then upon your honours acceptation though we are more willing and haue more need to heare learn then to instruct and speake we shall to the utmost of our power make your Honour partaker of that truth God giveth us to see Even of these things also which ought to be abolished we haue yet refrained to mentiō some which necessarily follow upon the rest and will bring yet more present benefit unto her Majestie of earthly wealth an unutterable Summe Not meaning of the Universities for they may be imployed to the maintenance of Teachers and Students in the knowledg of tōgue● and other honest christian lawful Arts the Monkish orders and prophane learning with all unlawfull Arts abolished and suppressed If any thing shall be objected against the points we haue written we beseech your 〈…〉 may b● set downe and discussed eyther by publick conference under notarie o● in private before your Honour with whom your honour shal think meet or in writing yea if your Honour shal be willing to heare any of the pointes discussed by the scriptures your Lordship may procure any of the learned whom yet your Honour may best trust in such busines call us to triall in your owne audience without making any acquainted with the end of the Question lest they deal partially and so seek to trouble and not to edify as their custome is In the meane time by reason of our long close imprisonment we having had no exercise to our bodies ayre or other things needfull even for the preserving of life this three yeares in effect our bodies weake and memories impaired and greatly broken as also in no small perill to be indirectly hastened to our grave by our adversaries in this prison as they haue heretofore endeavored Most humby beseech your Honour we may be placed at some honest mans house where your Honour please to appoint or where we can provide putting in sufficient bonde for our appearance when and where we shall be called to any lawfull triall Thus beseeching Almighty God by his owne holy spirite to direct your Lordship in these weighty affaires yea to drawe forth your honourable yeres in health safety and prosperity to your own endlesse comfort and good of the whole Land craving pardon for our boldnes and giving most humble thanks for your honourable compassion alreadie shewed we in all due reverēce take our leave until we further understand your Honours will From the Fleete this 13. of this 9. Moneth Your Honours most humbly in the Lord to commaund Iohn Greentwood Henry Barrowe Desiderius GOod morrow Monsiour Mi●●● ● am glad of your returne and tha● not onely because I love your person company but also that I may haue a little further discours● with you who have been so profitable unto me b● writings and conference Here I give you again the Platforme wishing that it the rest were printed togither but especially if it hath a second part Bu● how is it that towards the end of this there are cer●tain words wanting Miles Those wordes were spoiled by ill acciden● in my custodie but the reader may gather the sense or help himself as he may For I am now where ● cannot haue another coppie to perfect it but our hope must be that London Arnsterdam or L●yden will supply all such defects Desiderius But what say you for the second part● Miles I know not where to haue it neyther doe I think that ever it was finished For the adversary-Prelats thought better to finish the authors lives Desid Oh miserable murtherers God give thē repentance and raise up others that remaine with abilitie power will and readiness to p●●form that thing which their fellowes and friends christianly intended Miles It were in deed a work worthy the undertaking and I doubt not of the sufficiencie of sundry men for the well performing of it if they set themselves unto it Desid To whom was this work presented Miles As I haue heard To the Right Honourable S. William Cicill Knight Barron of Burleigh Lord High Treasurer of England c. Desiderius They in their writing haue praised his wisdome but had he preserved their lives from the violence and cruelty of the Prelats that would have praised his vertue Miles What shall we say there hath seldome any truth come to light but it hath cost som bloud that should teach men to love it the better Such use let all people learne to make of it Desid What is that Iohn Greenwood whose name also is subscribed in the end of this first part Miles He was a coepartener with Mr Barrow in his testimony imprisonment and death it self A learned man he was as appeareth by an answer of his to Mr G. Gyfford touching read prayer He had formerly been a Minister according to the order of the Church of England but degraded himself by repentance as he saith of himself in his Examination And afterwards he was Teacher in a particular church separated frō the publike assemblies of the land A Gentleman of a good house tolde me that Queen Elizabeth asked the learned Doct. Raynolds what he thought of those two men And he answered her Majestie that it could

verily The Prophets Apostles and Evangelists haue in their authentick writings layd downe the ground ●herof and upon that ground is all their buiding reared up and surely setled Moreover many of the Martyrs both former and latter haue mainteyned it as is to be seen in the Acts and Monuments of the Church Also in the dayes of Queen Elizabeth there was a separated Church wherof Mr Fitz. was Pastor that professed and practised that cause before Mr Browne wrote for it But he being one of the first writers in her Majesties reigne therfore those that followed him or Christ rather thorow his means directing them by Gods word were called Brownists as if they had been baptised into his name Which were falshood to think blasphemie to speake Desiderius The name makes them very odious to others and to say the trueth it caused me to carry some prejudice against them to the forestalling of my judgement in the things they holde Miles There are too many that doe so But let not the name offend you or any for ther was never any trueth brought to light but Satan through his notable craft and cunning hath caused some to paint it out after the names of men that it might seem base and contemptible in the eyes of all and to be ●eceived of none Hereupon haue Christians been called Hussites Hugonotes Lutherans Zuingliaus Calvinists Puritans Brownists and the like But there could be no name more odious then was given to our Maister Christ himself vvhom the vvicked called Belzebub and his people must in their measure be partaker of his reproch Let none therfore seeke to haue a good name by doing any evill thing nor yet for avoiding a bad name neglect any good that God requires at our hands neither let any man mesure any truth by the face that foes doe set upon it Desiderius I perceive by your plea that if these men had their right they should be acknovvledged for true Christians and not to be calumniated by the name of Brovvnists Miles Your perceiving then is good your vvords are just and right for so they ought to be esteemed Desiderius But vvhy then doe you so often call them so your selfe Miles For distinction sake onely but not at all in reproch And if you could alvvayes understand me vvhom I meane vvhen I call them Christians then vvould I give them no other name Desiderius You haue shevved me that many of those people vvere imprisoned some brought there to their end others executed by death and novv I aske vvhether any haue been banished Miles Ye sundry tymes And once in my ovvne sight and hearing at the Sessions in London foure of them vvere enforced to abjure the land and in what sort and manner it may appeare by a vvriting that seemes then to be taken by some that were beholders thereof and affected therewith Which writing was this A Memorandum Anno Domini 1604. IN the Raigne of our now Soveraigne Lord King Iames who is a defender of the Gospel foure persons were inforced to abjure the Land for the Gospels sake who practised the Ordināces therof in obedience to the King Christ whom God set to Raigne in his Church by the scepter of his word separating themselves frō our Church of England refusing to communicate joyne or partake with the same in the publike Ministerie worship and government ecclesiasticall with many other corruptions derived from Poperie and are still reteyned in the body bosome of the English Church This abjuration was urged upon the Statute of the 35. of Q. Eliz. after they had suffered 3. moneths imprisonment And at the publike Sessions in Lōdon it was thus carried That they should take their oathes to depart the Realme within one moneth and not to returne againe into any of the dominions of the late Queene without leave from his Majestie or his Highnes Successors Their chiefe speaker pleaded that they were true and faithfull subjects to his Majestie and had not deserved so to be dealt with and desired to be discharged without an oath and they would both promise and be bound to depart But that not being granted he desired that their oath might be with conditions and not so strictly against returning For sayd hee we may be occasioned to travel by sea to other coūtries by crosse winds be driven again into those dominions contrary to our purpose Or we may be taken at sea and brought hither by force and divers the like and so be forsworne though against our wills Then it was tolde him that all such things was to be borne with But he replyed it could not save their oath from being broken without such things were expected Moreover he told the bench that they held themselves so bound to Parents Prince and Country that if in an other land they heard of any treason it was their duetie to come disclose the same And therefore sayd he I wil never take my oath without conditions Which he affirmed sundry times And when he saw notwithstanding that the oath was strictly administred unto them according to the Statute he adjoyned this speach himselfe But if the performance of any dutie to Prince Countrey Parents or the like doe move me to returne I will then be free of the oath And thus he would haue the Bench to understand he swore but not otherwise And they all keping silence the Towne-Clark answered that in such case they should seeke for leave And the party replyed that the case might require such hast as they could not stay for leave Then were they commanded to pay their fees and to be gone within a moneth ANd was not this a lamentable case Desiderius that in the daies of the gospell men should be thus entreated for the gospels sake and for resistance of the ordinances of Antichrist Desiderius Yes doubtlesse if it were so M. Mick Were so Yes upon the adventure of my best limme or life it selfe it was so And for those things wherein they differ from the opinions and practises in our Church of England I never savve any trueth more cleare in all my life As you also may easily perceive if you scan the difference from point to point by the scriptures And there is no trueth in England but they hold the same dissenting onely from them wherein they dissent from the word of GOD ALMIGHTY which ought to be followed in every jote tittle thereof Now by the Memorandum that I shewed you I remember a saying in the Preface of their Confession of faith at their first publishing of it which sayd They hoped God would raise up another Iohn Fox to compile togither the latter Martyrs and Witnesses of our Lo Iesus in these our dayes And it seemes that the work goes foreward in that God stirreth up some to keep records of such thinges for further use in tyme to come Now for the Statute above mentioned I knowe it was intended against popish Recusants and not against these And