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A03269	An answere to a popish ryme, lately scattered abroad in the west parts, and much relyed vpon by some simply-seduced. By Samuel Hieron, minister of the word of God, at Modbury in Deuon	Hieron, Samuel, 1576?-1617.; Marlorat, Augustin, 1506-1562. Catholike and ecclesiasticall exposition of the holy gospell after S. Marke and Luke.	1604 (1604)	STC 13388; ESTC S119038	35,551	44

An Ansvvere to a Popish Ryme lately scattered abroad in the West parts and much relyed vpon by some simply-seduced By Samuel Hieron Minister of the Word of God at Modbury in Deuon Math. 10 17. Beware of Men. Phil. 3.2 Beware of Dogs LONDON Printed by Simon Stafford dwelling in Hosier lane neere Smithfield 1604. ❧ To my much esteemed friend J. L. YOu will wonder I am sure considering my profession to see me become a Poet. And indeed I do almost maruell at it my selfe knowing my selfe to want the two principal furtherances of Poetry the one is natures instinct a They say Poëta nascitur if a man be not as it were a Poet borne hee shall neuer prooue excellent in that faculty which God in his holy prouidence hath denyed me the other is a certaine retired freedom from all such businesses which may breed distraction b Carmina secessū scribentis otia quaerunt Ouid. de Trist which my publike Calling besides priuate encombrances will not afford me Yet notwithstāding vpon this present occasion I haue euen forced my selfe to this straiter course of Verse-making though I know that for mine owne case hauing to deale in such a distempered and vnruly Subiect that lesse-limited freer kind of discourse which Prose alloweth had bene more conuenient Because the rules of Cadence number to which our English Poetry especially is cōfined do many times so straiten an vnaccustomed Practitioner that he is in hazzard either of obscuring the sence which in a matter of this nature were something dangerous or of marring the Verse which to the apprehension of euery common conceit were very ridiculous But howsoeuer I haue erred in the carriage of this verse I hope to you and to others whose fauour eyther because of their Iudgement or their honesty I desire this shall excuse me that meeting with our common Aduersary who appeareth sometime in shape of a States-man debating of Titles and Common-wealth affayres c Witnesse the Quodlibets Dolman c. sometime as a Petitioner to the King and Parliament d At the Kings first cōming now since the Parliamēt sometime as a plausible perswader e Bristowes Motiues Bookes of that nature sometime as a Restorer of the holy Text to the natiue purity thereof f Rhem. Test and Grego Martin sometime as a man of a very tender Conscience giuing reasons why he cannot come to our Assemblies g Howlet somtime as a Rayler at our gouernment and an approuer of our open enemies h The wardword Quo teneam vultus mutantē Protea nodo that I say meeting with this time-seruing Proteus in the fashion of a Rimer or Balladine and crept in as the maner of false brethrē is i Gal. 2.4 Similes habent labra lactucas into both the hands and the heartes of many simply-seduced I haue endeuored to make the Lettuce like the lips as the prouerb is and to proportion my selfe to him in versing to whom I am sure without wilful forsaking the playne truth of God manifested in Scripture I shall neuer be like in beleeuing The Seruice it selfe which is heere sent vs in by this Runnagate k He confesseth hee was a Protestant is for substance agreeing with the rest of their Romish Cates thogh to say the truth it hath come through the hands of a very homely and sluttish Cooke by whom it is neyther seasoned with wit or argument no nor yet set forth after any good ordinary fashion But it is euen a very Gally-mawfrey of certayne naked and indigested Allegations as it were the leauings and scraps of some other without eyther order or proofe as though euery Papist were a Pope and euery word of his mouth an Oracle Belike the Slouen thought it good enough for those for whom it was prouided as indeed it is for those which turne their eares from the trueth and are giuen vnto fables l 2. Tim. 4.4 and by some vpon my knowledge to whome I feare me God hath sent strong delusions that they should beleeue lyes it is highly magnified m 2. Thes 2.11 as a speciall Preseruatiue against supposed Heresie and as a well-framed Sconce which none of vs all is able to ouerthrow In regard whereof knowing my selfe bound among others to contend earnestly for the maintenance of the Fayth n Iude 3. I haue vndertaken this which you here see For my desire and true intent therein it is best knowne to him which seeth in secret o Mat. 6.4 and in his due time will make the counsels of all hearts manifest p 1. Cor. 4.5 Touching the thing it selfe how it is and how well it is I submit it to the censure of the godly-wise praying them that with their fauourable if not allowance yet at least conniuence it may passe to the vse of those to whom it is intended And among others I haue directed it especially to you in part of recompence for a great deale of kindnesse entreating you to entertayne it with the like measure of loue wherewith it is offered And so beseeching God to fill you with the fruites of righteousnesse q Phil. 1.11 I commend you to his grace in Christ Iesus Modbury August 20. 1604. Your very louing friend SAM HIERON The Papists Ryme I Pray thée Protestant heare with mée a Indeede a man had need to be very patient that meaneth to heare thee To aske thée Questions two or thrée And if an answere thou canst make More of thy counsell I will take b Yet I feare that thogh thou were brayed in a Morter with a Pestell among Wheat thy foolishnesse will not depart from thee Pro. 27.22 Many sundry Sects appeare Now in the world farre and neere The Caluinist the Protestant The Zuinglian the Puritant The Brownist and the Family of Loue And many more which I can proue And the Romane fayth truely Which you call Papistry And euery one confesse IESV Saying that their Fayth is true But amongst these tell mee how The Trueth from fayned lyes to know All these in very deede Rehearse all Articles in the Creede And euery one of them sayth That theirs is the Catholique Fayth But this it is that I doe séeke c I beleeue thou art one of those which are euer learning neuer come to the knowledge of the Trueth 2. Tim. 3.7 Take the Lanterne which Dauid vsed and thou shalt soone finde the true Church Psal 119.105 To knowe the Church Catholique The Communion or Company Of holy men in Vnity Catholike IN your Bible I haue read The Church must through the world bee spred For Christ he his Apostles sent With power and Commaundement That to all Nations they should goe To preach and to baptize also Who hath done this to know I will For that is sure the Church of Christ d I hope thou wilt not say that Rome hath don this the charge was giuen and vndertaken before

themselues are croaking like Frogs in euery corner labouring to maintayne the Popes authority I meane the Iesuited Rout Do spread themselues in each country To draw men to disloyalty They counsell Subiects kill their kings Stabbings they vse and poysonings q Our Countrey and times afford store of examples to proue this Christ gaue no such commaundement When first he his Disciples sent Of this Conuersion if you boast Whereby poore soule Hell hath engrost I yéeld you full willyngly It well agréeth with Popery To draw Disciples is no marke For so doeth many a fayned Clarke r 2. Pet. 2.1 2. Acts 20.30 The Church to trueth which doeth conuert We doe imbrace with all our heart Thou sayst Romes Fayth once ouer all The world was famous so sayth Paul s Rom. 1.8 And Rome did first conuert our Land And hereupon you greatly stand Romes Fayth indéede once bare the bell And so it did deserue it well But Rome's not now as heretofore The faythfull City 's made a whoore t If. 1.21 So it was said of Ierusalem which had more excellent particular promises thē Rome can alledge any If new Rome now were as the old Then we with Romanists would hold If Rome become Christs enemy Then we from Babylon must flye u Apoc. 18.4 To say that Rome is therefore sound Because of old it was renownd It may a Papist satisfie But men of iudgement it denye Paul neuer Rome did magnifie As he did those of Thessaly w See 1. Thes 1.3 4 5 6 7 8. Yet now that Church is cleane defac'd And there the Turk himselfe hath plac'd The Asian Churches x Ephesus Smyrna Pergamus Thyatira Sardis Philadelphia Leodicea Apoc. 1.11 famous once Are turned to an heape of stones The golden lights y Those seuen Churches were represented by seuen golden Candlesticks Apoc. 1.20 of Saint Iohns age Are now become euen Sathans Cage Proue thou that Rome hath not declinde From th' ancient Church by Paul refinde And then I le say thou hast done more Then euer Papist did before But for first turning of our Nation I trow thou namest it but for fashion For they that looke in History Thereof can find no certainty Simon Zelotes as some say z Niceph. lib. 2. cap. 40. Did first Christs Gospell here display Euen whilest that Emperour did raigne By whom our Sauiour Christ was slayne a Gildas Lib. de victoria Aurelij Ambrosij Some say that he of Arimathy b Ioseph who buryed Christ In the yeere of grace sixty thrée From France by Philip c Philip the Apostle was sent ouer To vs the Fayth for to discouer d So sayth Gildas also Hereto agréeth a learned man That ancient Clarke Tertullian That by th' Apostles Brittanny Was turn'd to Christianity e Tertullian in his book against the Iewes amongst other places couerted by the Apostles reckoneth diuers partes of France and of Brittayne So doth Origene Hom. 4. vpon Ezekiel Pope Eleutheriuo long agoe f About the yeere of Christ 180. As his Epistle plaine doth show g This Epistle hath bin found out of the ancient records of the Kings of England Vnto king Lucius hither sent Ere Ethelbert was king of Kent h Which was about 600. yeres after Christ We hold the Fayth that then was taught But you the same do set at naught i Eleutherius referred K. Lucius to the Scriptures clean against the Papists course now and called him Gods Vicar in his kingdome which Title the Pope alone doeth now challenge When Rome the Trueth doth once forsake Then we of Rome our leaues must take If that our Church were Catholicke To come to Church thou wouldst not sticke If of the word thou knewst the sense Thou soone would'st leaue that fond pretēce Our Church that Truth doth firme imbrace Which all those hold in euery place Who leauing mens Traditions cleane Vpon the Scriptures onely leane k That is truly Catholike which euery where alwayes by all viz. true Christians is beleeued Vincent cont Haer. cap. 3. Let Papists proue that the word Catholike being takē in that sence ours is not the Catholike church Prophet THou cit'st a Text of Malachy l Mal. 1.11 Hoping to prooue thy Masse thereby Alas the reason is but small And helpes that Idol not at all In it God threateneth the Iewes Who their great Priuiledge did abuse And thought the Lord was tyed to them And vnto their Ierusalem The Prophet telles that God elsewhere Will find out those which shall him feare And in an order without blame Shall call vpon his holy Name Speaking to their capacity The Legall termes he doth apply m So Ioel 2.28 the holy Ghost foretelling the plenty of spirituall enlightening which the people shall haue vnder Christ doeth deliuer it vnder the names of visions and dreames which notwithstanding were not ordinary in the times of the Gospell And calls our Gospel-like Seruice A pure n Pure in Christ being accepted of GOD through him 1. Pet. 2.5 and spotlesse Sacrifice What ground is here then for the Masse It stil remayneth as it was A grosse deuice defaming Christ Who is our true and onely Priest o See more of this hereafter in speaking more directly of the Masse The speach of Dauid of the Skyes p Psal 19.3 But according to their account Psal 18. Vnto the Apostles Paul applyes q Rom. 10.18 And sayth their sound went farre and neere As in the stories doeth appeare Tell mee I pray what good to you This place you haue alledg'd can doe It maketh nought for Popery Or for your idle trumpery Indéed th' infamous Fame is spred Of Antichrist your hideous head And all Gods children him doe sée The man of sinne r 2. Thes 2.3 alone to bee Th' Apostles Faith was farre disperst And heere in England was reherst Sith then our doctrine is the same To it belongs part of their fame Continuance YOu say Christs Fayth must still endure I yéeld that nothing is more sure And alwayes God a Church will haue Though thereat Sathan rage and raue s Math. 16.18 It glads my hart that Christ hath prayd Thereby I know my Fayth is stayd t Luke 22.32 The Comfort of Gods holy Sprite Is eche good Christians sole delight This prooues there still a Church shal bée And herein thou and I agrée To prooue the Church tyed to one Sea Requireth yet a better Plea The Fayth of Christ may styll abide Though Rome should into Tibur slide Gods spirit is frée and is not bound v Iohn 3.8 Within the Lists of Romish ground When thou canst proue by holy writ Christs Fayth to Rome by Charter knit Then shall thy tale some credit find Where now it turneth all to wind But yet Continuance is a Note Of Gods true Church Paul hath wrote That there should still some teachers be w Eph. 4.11

to the Donatists Tract 1. in Ep. Iohan. Christ bids vs we the Church should tell If things be not reformed well By Church hee meanes all such as bée Indued with Authority i The same which Paul calleth Presbyterion 1. Tim. 4.14 The Eldership These Office-bearers all men sée In times of setled Souerainty Yea and among them selues th' are knowne When th' outward state is ouerthrowne The Error of this Popish Argument When that was said in speciall You turne to Church in generall Thereby you may deceiue some fooles But soone it will be séene in Schooles This Argument of outward state Which for a Marke you intimate Against that thing doth strongly make Which you to prooue do vndertake Romes state hath sometimes bin obscur'd And hath disgraces soule endur'd Burnt k By the Gothes 547. sackt l By Charles Duke of Burbon in the dayes of Pope Clement the 7. wherevpon was made the clause in the Letany Sancta Maria c. O holy Mary pray for Pope Clement c. some Popes imprisoned m Iohn 14. Boniface 8. about the yeere 1304. Some glad to fly n Iohn 17. fled to Hetruria some banished o Vigilius 18. Gregory 9. about the yeere 1227. Where did your glorious Church abide When Popes were glad themselues to hide Peace peace no more of this for shame Rome sayth thou wilt her cleane defame * Succession Succession cometh next in place Whereby thou séekst thy Church to grace Your turne Succession cannot serue If from the Trueth Succession swerue The Iewish Church from Aaron A iust descent might stand vpon Euen when they crucifide our Lord And hated all that lou'd his Word If we shall say that Church was true Consisting of so vile a crue We cast Christ and the Apostles out Among the base and damned rout The Grecian Churches at this day For their defence as much can say p At Constantinople there hath beene a perpetuall Succession from S. Andrew Niceph. At Alexandria from Saint Marke Yet you of them doe giue this doome That in Gods church they haue no 〈◊〉 Yet if Succession were a signe Which your graund captayne Bellarmine Dares not auouch q Bellarmine sayeth it followeth negatiuely that where there is no succession there is no church but not affirmatiuely that where there is succession there is a Church I sayne would sée How Rome can proue her Pedigrée You call your Church Saint Peters chayre As though the Pope were Peters Heyre But if that ground we once deny What Papist can it verify You cannot proue by holy Writ Peter at Rome did Bishop sit The onely place which you doe name r 1. Pet. 5.13 The Rhemists say that there by Babylon is ment Rome so they cōfesse Rome to be Babylon Returneth to your greater shame The things you fetch from History Touching this poynt doe not agrée s Osorius sayth Peter came to Rome in the beginning of Claudius raigne Hierome in the 2. yere others in the 4. yere other the 13 yere Damasus saith he came thither in Neroes raign so that there is no certainty in that which they make an vndoubted principle And what our part hath herein sed By Papists stands vnanswered But if hee Bishop were indéede Tell me who next did him succéede Some Clement t The Popes decrees hold so and some Linus hold v Dorotheus Euseb li. 3. cap. 4. Hieron in Catalo Thus your succession is controld Once was a Pope suppos'd a man w Iohn 8. Platina The womans name was Gilberta a Dutch woman of Maguntium But prou'd in time a Courtezan Then eyther your Succession shranke Or you must put her in the ranke When Popes there were some two x Two Popes together Anno 1083. Anno 1058. 1062. or thrée y Bened. 9. Siluest 3. Greg. 6. all at one time and at another time Ben. 13. a Spanish Pope Greg. 12. a French Pope and Iohn 23. an Italian Pope Where thē might your successiō be One Schisme held almost fourty yere z 39. yeeres From Pope to Pope as doeth appeare a Let their Ancestors speake One Councel b The Councill of Constance did these Popes put downe And to another gaue the crowne When these false Popes the place possest I thinke you le say Succession ceast Vnity 'T Is true Christs Church is alwayes one Tyd vnto him as Head alone The partes thereof do well agrée c Acts 4.23 Like children of one Family But yet not euery company Together linckt in Vnity Must by and by be called good If Trueth by them shal be withstood To make a Calfe they all agréed d Exod. 32.1 All cry'd Let Christ be crucifi'd e Math. 27.22 Great is Diana with a shoute At once the people all cry'd out f Acts 19.34 Iohn sayd they should yéeld to the Beast Euen from the greatest to the least g Apoc. 13.16 As Christ his City is but one So is the Deuils Babylon h Vt est dei vna ecclesia sic est diaboli vn a Babylon Aug. de Ciui Dei The best sometimes do disagrée i Peter and Paul Gal 2.11 Paul Barnabas Acts 15.39 Chrysost Theophilact and Epiphanius Augustine and Hierome Cyrill Theodoret Each man hath his Infirmity Better the Discord bringing Light Then is agréement without right k Kreisson empathous omonoias he vper eusebeias diastasis Nazianz Oratione prima de pace Yet by this Marke if Rome be try'd It will fall hard vpon your side Your ioynt-consent we can not find Nor that you all are of one mind If we shall credit History You can not bragge of Vnity Where twenty seueral schismes haue béen l Genebrardus in Chro. What Harmony may there be séene The Lawes which one determineth The Pope that follows cancelleth m Stephen 6. abrogated all his Predecessors decrees Formosus tooke vp his body cut two fingers of his right hād off and buried him agayne Yet things by him abolished By next Popes are established n The following Popes Theodorus 2. Romanus Ioh. 10. confirmed all Formosus his actes And yet another o After all Pope Sergius disanulled their acts tooke vp Formosus his body cast it into Tibur Ex. Poly. Chron. comes behind Who with the former fault doth find And all which they did quite displace Reduceth to the former grace Thus one sage Counsell doth decrée Another sayth it may not bée p The first Nicene Coūcell allowed Priests mariage and the Communion in both kinds The Councels of Constāce Basil forbade the Laity the vse of the cup. The coūcel of Trent forbiddeth both the Cup to the Laity and marriage to the Clergy The third Coūcell of Carthage pronoūced him accursed called him the Forerunner of Antichrist whosoeuer should terme himselfe Vniuersal Bishop but now the Councel of Trent curseth him who shall deny the

yeeres 1164. 1165. 1166. The Waldēses which held in many poynts against the Pope were in anno 1167. after increasing in diuers places Almaris a Bishop burnt in Paris for holding against Transsubstantiation Images Altars and praying to Saints 1206. Many in Sueuia did preach the Pope to be an heretike in the yeres 1236. 1237. 1238. Grosted Bishop of Lincolne wrote against the Pope anno 1246. Arnold de noua villa against Masses Sacrifices for the dead taught that the Popes beliefe was the deuils beliefe anno 1259. All Histories are ful of the like examples These few may serue for a taste to satisfie an indifferent Reader and to stop their mouthes who say none were heard of of our Religion and Church till Luther But now the Lord hath let vs sée Your Antichrists deformity That all men might him fully know Before his finall ouerthrow Our Pastor chiefe f 1. Pet. 5.4 in heauen did sit And so doth stil sayth holy Writte g Acts 4.21 On earth a Vniuersall Priest None dare be call'd but Antichrist h Gregory the great a Bishop of Rome sayd that whoso calleth himselfe or desireth to bee called Vniuersall Bishop is the Forerunner of Antichrist Epist ad Eulogium lib. 7. He that our Church and Keyes had sought By tokens in the Scripture tought Our Church and Keyes he might haue found Euen when the world was most vnsound Building of Churches nothing makes For that which héere thou vndertakes For then commend Demetrius Who builded Shrines at Ephesus i Acts 19.24 Well may the Heathen people boast Of Piramées and Churches cost In houses made God doth not dwell As holy Scripture doeth vs tell k Act. 7.48 Yet neyther all the Churches here Erected by the Papists were Nor are by vs abolished Places where God is worshipped If priuate men haue euill done For it blame not Religion Those men which do Church-spoyling loue Our Fayth and Church doth not approoue Those Celles and Dennes of Idlenes And Nurseryes of wickednesse Vpon good causes were displac'd As Baals Temples were defac'd l 2. Kings 10. * Touching Luthers Mariage A Lawlesse vow m It is wel called a Lawlesse Vow because it is of a thing which is not in mans power If it be said that by fasting prayer it may be performed continency obtayned I answere the giftes of God are twofold Some cōmon to all Beleeuers as Faith c Some peculiar to some onely as this of Continency Now if by fasting and Praier we labour for the first sort we shal in some measure receiue them but we haue not the like assurance for the gifts of the latter sort because it may be the Lord is pleased otherwise to dispose Now to make such a Vow is a sinne but to persist in it is a double euill of single life Luther well brake and tooke a Wife Better the pure and Spot-lesse Bed n Koite amiantos Heb. 13.4 Then by vncleane lustes to be led o 1. Cor. 7.9 Better the marryed Chastity p Papists doe oppose mariage chastity but Paul bids yong women to be chaste subiect to their Husbands Tit. 2.4.5 Then violent Virginity They ought not single to remaine Who are not gifted to containe q 1. Cor. 7.9 Wedlocke it selfe can not defile It hath an Honourable Stile r Heb. 13.4 God doth it not to each man giue Without the marriage bonds to liue s Math. 19.11 And it is allowed to a Bishop to be the Husband of one wife 1. Tim. 3.2 The forced vowes of Singlenes Haue brought foorth beastly Filthines Thou maist behold in History The fruits of Monkish Lechery t There were 6000. infants heads found in Pope Gregory his mote as appeareth by the letter of Voluntianus Bishop of Carthage or as some thinke of Huldericus Bishop of Augusta to Pope Nicholas against the forbidding of Priests mariage Thy poysoned Tongue doth further reach The noble Saxon to impeach Because to Truth he did encline Thou callest him a Libertine When God was pleas'd to let him sée How Christ his Death hath made vs frée Then did he déeme it slauery To beare the Romish tyranny Though Antichrist did Rome possesse ‡ Who kept the Scriptures You kept the Scriptures I confesse And in that long Apostacy Those Bookes were in your custody So I a Pirate false haue knowne To kéepe the goods were not his owne And in the Ship to rule and raigne When the right Owner hath bene slaine So did the Iewish Synagogue Safely kéepe Moses Decalogue And th' other Bookes u Viz. the Prophets Psalmes for so is the old Testamēt diuided Moses the Prophets and Psalmes Luke 24.44 when cruelly They did Christ Iesus crucify § Touching the calling of Ministers The Pastors which did first restore The Trueth which lay long hyd before Thereto were called lawfully And euen by your Authority You did them Priests and Doctors make And they from you this charge did take w In their admittance That they the Truth should soundly preach And in the same the people teach Hereto you caused them to sweare That to the Fayth they should adheare And neuer should errours endure That were against the Doctrine pure That whereunto you did them call Full well they haue performed all Trueth they haue sought to propagate And Heresyes to ruinate As we account your Baptisme true And neuer do the same renue So may you make a lawfull Priest Yet be not the pure Church of Christ We know that now you wiser bée And sweare your Priests to Popery x In their othes and admissions they put in this clause The Catholike and Apostolike Church of Rome which in elder times was not vsed And binde them to maintayne the state Of your thrée-Crowned Potentate Sée now O Papist thou recant Th' art answered by a Protestant I counsell thée if thou be wise No new euasions to deuise Thy tale of Ethelbert of Kent Is but a slender Argument y It is also answered before It sails not whence the Fayth was brought Or who it first amongst vs tought Let vs into the Scripture looke z Isay 8.20 And duely search a Iohn 5.39 Acts 17.11 that holy Booke Thence shal we know which Church to leaue b We haue found Christ in the Scriptures there wee must also finde the Church Aug. de Pastoribus And vnto which alone to cleaue These swelling wordes c 2. Pet. 2 18. of Vnity Succession and Antiquity Are but poore groundlesse fantasyes To blind the simple peoples eyes Though that an Angell thou shouldst sée Let him sayth Paul accursed bée d Gal. 1. ● If from the Scripture he doth erre Account him not Gods Minister If one arise and wonders show Séeking the Trueth to ouerthrow Though that might séeme a motiue strong Yet vnto him death doeth belong e Deut. 13.1 2 5. If thréescore Byshops here and thrée Haue bene with vs successiuely It eyther prooues our Church is true Or els that marke makes nought for you That Fayth for which Peter was slayne Our English Church doth still retayne We heare the voyce f Iohn 10.27 of Christ Iesu Who is the Sonne of God most true FINIS