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A10046 The defence of truth against a booke falsely called The triumph of truth sent over from Arras A.D. 1609. By Humfrey Leech late minister Which booke in all particulars is answered, and the adioining motiues of his revolt confuted: by Daniell Price, of Exeter Colledge in Oxford, chaplaine in ordinary to the most high and mighty, the Prince of Wales. Price, Daniel, 1581-1631.; Leech, Humphrey, 1571-1629. Triumph of truth. 1610 (1610) STC 20292; ESTC S115193 202,996 384

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bona sunt à fide Ecclesiae non recedere I would you had taken this course in reading Gregory But for the point in hand you haue not in al the words of S. Gregory the distinctiō of Praeceptū Consilium no place that defineth Evangelica consilia neither their name number or any thing concerning thē And therefore to any never so little intelligent you will seeme strangely ridiculous to make Gregory Godfather to that childe he never knewe or Author of that doctrine which he never taught or thought Wee call not his credit into question I would yours did it not as I formerly shewed and especially t Bar. Tom. 8. Annal. Ann. Christi 1593. num 62. p. 57. Baronius who speaking of the barrennesse of learning in Gregory his time sheweth that Gregory himselfe was ignoraunt in many things Mr LEECH And yet rather then the doctrine shall be thus odiouslie traduced and my Author want his promerited defence I will according to that poore ability wherewith God hath enabled me endeuor to defend both it and him and therefore if S. Gregory in this point hath not transgressed the boūds of Ancienter Church nor crossed any tenent of his owne Present Church nor yet for this hath hitherto been censured by the lawfull iudgement of any Catholique succeeding Church nay if the Church more ancient then his his owne present and the ever after succeeding Centuries of Catholique Church haue from hand to hand deliuered vnto him receiued with him and with vniforme consent followed him in this point of doctrine never so much as once noting it questioning it impugning it cōtradicting it which certainely they would haue done had the doctrine beene erroneous for their devoted piety spared no Heretique Origen Millienar Tertul. Montanising Cypr. rebaptising no not the most renowned martyrs nor glorious fathers of the Church in any of their errors repugnant vnto the vnity of Catholique verity then vpon these premises I may irrefragably conclude in defence of my Authour and doctrine that S. Gregory his position is no privat opinion hatched out of his owne braine but the vniforme deduction and tradition of Christ his spouse the true Catholique never erring Church inspired guided directed by God his holy spirit in all ages ANSVVER Rather then you will let truth haue the supereminence quae magna est praevalet you will continue to father your opinion vpon Gregory yea and vpon the Primitiue Derivatiue Church Act. 9. But it is hard for you to kicke against the truth The weedes of supererogation growing vnder the shaddow of Evangelicall Counsailes haue had no time of encrease of growing in the ancient primitiue Church None of the first and worthier Fathers taught it It is a common but not commēdable vse among you of imposturing interpreting the Fathers in a wrong sense The chiefest groūd for your doctrine is the misinterpreting of that place of S. Paule which sense neither the Originall will carrie nor any Greeke Father ever followed And that blessed servant of God Mr Perkins in his Probleme proveth against opposers how farre the Fathers were from mainetaining workes of supererogation Physitians that meane to cure the disease first beginnne with the cause so giue me leaue seeing workes of supererogation bee only the inductions and cause of teaching this doctrine First I desire you to answere whether S. Hierome thought any such works were performed who disclaiming them thus speaketh p Hier. lib. 1. c. 3. cont Pelag. Tum ergo iusti sumus quando nos peccatores fatemur iustitia nostra non ex proprio merito sed ex Dei consistit misericordia or whether S. q Retract l. 1. c. 19. Augustine doth thinke a man might supererogate who affirmeth a contrary positiō Omnia mandata Dei facta deputantur quando quicquid non fit ignoscitur or r Chrys in 8. Hom. in 4. ad Roman Chrysostome who in his 8. homily on the 4. to the Romanes affirmeth No man to bee iustified by the Law because none can fulfill the Law ſ Bern. in 73 ser in Cant. or Bernard in his 73. vpō the Canticles who wisheth no man to trust to his own iustice or fulfilling of the Law or to approch neerer what meant t De Consil Evang. statu perfectionis Gerson that famous Doctor to deny any perfection in Evangelicall counsailes Secōdly I desire you to answere why u Aq. 22 dae Art 5. Aquinas teacheth that perfection doth essentially which is perfectly consist in keeping the Commandements which none can do and in the fulfilling of the Lawe if that perfection of Counsailes bee so much aboue the Law why x In sent lib. 3. distinct 34 q. 3. Paludanus vpon the Sentences doth affirme that some men may attaine to as great height of perfection liuing in marriage and possessing much as they that liue single and giue away all that they haue I will aske no more questions but seeing this is so taught by so many reverend Ancients yea by many of your owne later y Ians in 100. Cap. in Evang Iansenius in his 100. chapter vpon the Evangelicall concord professing with Gerson and Aquinas that only the fulfilling of the law doth iustifie and z Cus excit lib. 10. Cardinall Cusanus confessing that none but Christ ever did fulfill the Commandements seeing all this is thus why will you so boldly affirme that this doctrine was never impugned never contradicted c which indeede was never rather taught never approved It is true S. Gregory was never contradicted in this for hee never taught any such thing But this opinion was gainesaid and disliked and the Church never received never generally delivered any such position Although if it had your epithet of never erring Church is scarce currant for you cannot deny but the Church hath had her blots a Dial. contra Lucif S. Ierome cōplained that the whole world groaned and wondred to see it selfe Arrian b Aduers proph Novit Vincentius Lerinēsis confesseth that not only some portion of the Church but the whole Church may be blotted with contagion But this was none of her blots spots or infectious blemishes for shee never generally mainetained or taught this Doctrine Mr LEECH But M. Doctour Hutton lending a deafe eare vnto my defence though in my conscience and iudgement it ought to haue satisfied him sounded another alarome and ringed a fresh peale in my eares charging nay surcharging me ad nauseam vsque for holding any distinction betwixt Precepts Counsailes For saide hee there is no such distinction those which you falsely cal Coūsailes are in deed Precepts and not Counsailes ANSVVER The Comoediā c Plautus Plautus taxeth some that had no stuffe in them but in their tongue and that only in speaking lewdly of their betters Isthic est thesaurus stultis in lingua situs ut quaestui habent malè loqui melioribus Let the lawes of God Nature and Nations
How the Fathers haue vnderstoode hath beene sufficiently delivered The point is this doth S. Hierome S. Gregory or S. Augustine any where affirme that a man furnished with gifts beyond other men is not bound by Gods cōmandement to make vse of those giftes to the vtmost of his ability to set forth Gods glory his own good If you shew this you proue somewhat if not nothing Where you inferre that Counsailes not observed haue no punishment Bellarmine in those words wrested out of S. Austin against himselfe Lib. de Mon. cap. 7. § 2. is thus evicted The Cardinall confesseth that a Counsell includeth a Precept if therefore he that observeth not a Coūsell bee not punished then the observation of the Precept is not punished And if the carefull keeping of a Coūsell be not punished it is to be only so interpreted that it is not punished in those who are not tyed to it as if Abraham neglect virginity it is not censured but if the Nazarite breaketh that iniunction it is condemned Mr LEECH And to this purpose almost in the very selfe same words speaketh S. Augustine in his 61. sermon de tempore his 18. sermon de verbis Apostoli his second booke of Evangelicall questions cap. 19. in his Enchiridion ad Laurentium cap. 12. S. Ambrose in the 10. booke of his Epistles the 82. Epistle ad Vercellensem Ecclesiam and his tract de viduis propè finem generally the Greek and Latine Fathers such is the vniforme consent heavenly harmony of all orthodoxe Antiquity in this point of Doctrine ANSVVER You quote strangely sometimes words but not the places and often places as here but not words so that it proveth that either these often vrged authorities make but weakely for the cause or else you tooke thē vp in grosse from Coccius Treasury or some Polyanthy The madde man in Athenaeus Athen. Dipnos that thought all the ships that came to the hauen to be his was for no other cause more ridiculous then for such a bragge as yours that all the Greeke and Latine Fathers heavenly harmony of all Antiquity is yours In your Pithagorean cares you holde the orbes to make musicke and dreame of a harmony and consent where there is none Al the Fathers disclaime as illegitimat this opinion and so your Iury hath given verdet against you And * Ierom pa. 145 Ambros p. 146. Aug. pag. 147. these in particular are answered Mr LEECH The defence therefore of Evangelicall Counsailes of perfection quoad viam quoad gradū which I woulde only commende vnto the learned and iudicious who well know that the whole course of Antiquity and concurrence of the fathers do often mention them is this that there are in the gospel of Christ certaine Counsailes which the Ancient pillers and Patriarches of divinitie call consilia perfectionis Counsailes of perfection and they are so called nō quòd ipsae sint perfectiones sed dispositiones quaedam ad perfectionē quae constat in hoc vt mens hominis Deo vacet that is not that they are in themselues perfections indeed but rather dispositions directions preparations to perfectiō which consisteth mainly in this that the soule wholly sequestred from the world may be truly and sincerely ravished with the loue of God and of his neighbour ANSVVER You should say the offence therefore of Evangelicall Counsailes for the defence was so bad that heresie novelty and almost blasphemy were the best vpholders of you I would not possesse your will vnles I entred in with authority by the portall of your Iudgement but certainely if you woulde driue away those impediments of conceit opinion preiudice and error from the entrance of your soule you might easilie admit the truth to keepe mansion in you where now shee hath small habitation You present your doctrin you say to the iudicious and learned that knowe the course of Antiquity you should say iniquity for who knoweth not by reading of you howe you derogate from the law approue that a man may do more then is commanded by God make Angels but equall to mē before teach the greatest degrees of perfectiō now whē you haue better cōsulted about your Counsels you teach they be not the perfections of man but dispositions to perfection Whē you were among vs you were such a one as the souldiers of Gastro Polycenus de strat an Aegyptian in Grecian harnes and as you were then ready to hold Papistical Paradoxes among Protestants so now you are constrained to confesse a truth of Syon in Babilon that counsels are but dispositions Act. 9.5 Tho. 22 ae q. 184. And so hard a point it is to kicke against the Truth that Bellarmine is also forced to confesse out of Thomas that perfection doth cōsist essentially in Precepts And thus what Gerson hath formerly delivered truely that Coūsels do only dispose to the better fulfilling of the Precept the same at length you are drawne to acknoweledge vnwillingly Where be your entia transcendentia in regard of the generall precept Logicke will not admit a particular to transcend a generall And whereas you require that the soule shoulde bee ravished with the loue of God thus much the precept cōmādeth in the highest manner that may be performed What did David practise and professe but the law he was so ravished by this law as that he protesteth twice Psal 69 4. Ps 119.139 that the zeale of Gods house had eaten him vp If your counsels stretch further then the law you know the storie of Esops Frogge that would swel bigger then his skin could stretch and so brake Mr LEECH And therefore as Origen excellently obserueth in his commentary vpon S. Matthew his 8. Homily vpon those words of our Saviour giuen by way of Counsaile to the young man if thou wilt be perfit c. Non sic debemꝰ intelligere vt in eo ipso tempore quo homo dat bona sua pauperibus efficiatur omnino perfectus sed incipit ex eo tempore speculatio Dei adducere eum ad omnes virtutes vt incipiat ex eo tempore proficere that is to say we are not so to vnderstande perfection ●hat in the very moment wherein a man giueth all his goods to the poore he is made altogither perfit but from that time forwardes the speculation of God beginneth to leade him vnto all vertues that ever after he maketh a good progresse ANSVVER Origen his speech is most true and none deny it But I may aske you as the Poet did Quo nunc se proripit ille I confesse the true vrging of an orthodoxall Father in a sound point of religion it is either a light to confirme or as lightning to confound any that contradict that doctrine But as Pliny mentioneth when divinations were made vpon the fall of lightnings Plin. lib. 2. c. 43. those lightnings that fell into the sea or on tops of mountaines were neuer brought into observatiō but were
in the gainesaying of Corah None here will be worthily thought men deceived by vaine and vnlearned suggestions Mr LEECH And if some men will obstinately shut their eies yet my trust is that others will looke vp to Heavē whence this doctrine descended and whether it doth most readily conduce and that they will no longer take darknesse for light night for day poyson for medecine Heresie for verity since truth bringeth ever with it certainety peace and security at the last ANSVVER Psal 135.16.17 The legend giveth Scripture the lie Scripture saith that Idols haue eies and see not eares haue they and they heare not Legend Aurea and yet the legend reporteth that manie of the Idols Images haue spoken seen and hard They open their eies and see not we may shut our eies and yet see that this Doctrine never proceeded frō heaven or if it descended from thence the descention was like to Lucifer that fell from thence into the bottomlesse pit and no doubt Lucifers sin was no other then this so farre by elatiō to superlatiue man that in pride he rebell against God By respiratiō we send our praiers to heaven by inspiration wee receiue instruction from heavē but I finde not that Phrase in any approved Author that doctrine descended from heaven And though the Priest in the law coulde only distinguish betweene a Leaper and a Leaper yet in the Gospell the Lord hath so illuminated his servants that they can easily discerne betweene the darknesse of the vnderstāding which is falsum and the light thereof which is verum Which truth is the daughter of Syon and is attēded with Peace of Cōscience ioy in the holy Ghost remission of sinnes communion of Saints and life everlasting Mr LEECH THE SECOND PART CONTAIning the irregular and violent processe of the Vice-chancellour and his complices against me and the former doctrine VVherein the Reader may excellently discerne the nature of heresie and the condition of Heretickes as in a perfit glasse * ⁎ * As Iannes and Mambres resisted Moses so doe these resist the truth men corrupt in minde and reprobat concerning the faith 2. Tim. 3.8 ANSVVER THE SECOND PART CONTAIneth the exorbitant and virulent disobedience and palpable hereticall ignorance of the Author of the Triumph as also the false suggestions and vncharitable imputations against most of the Reverend and worthy Doctors of the Vniversity of Oxford wherein the nature of a conceited malecontented Apostat is discovered who having out of heresie spun the Spiders web an opinion Popish ridiculous out of slander and vnsavory words hatched the Coccatrice e●ges phrases reproachfull malitious doth beholde his naturall face in a glasse Psal 75. I said vnto the fooles deale not so madly Iud. 11. They haue followed the way of Caine and are cast away by the deceit of Balams wages and perish in the gainesaying of Korah A TRIVMPH OF TRVTH OR DECLARATION OF THE DOCTRINE CONCERNING EVANGELICAL COVNSAILES Mr LEECH CHAP. I. When I had ended my sermon it seemed good vnto Mr Doctor Hutton who was there present confronted me with ridiculous behaviour to cite me before himselfe immediatly in his owne lodging where I foūd him accompanied with two other Doctors D. Kilby and D. Benefield who gaue speciall attention vnto my sermō with great shew of discontent ANSVVER Chrysost in 2. epist ad Tim. 2. IT is S. Chrysostomes observation that the cause of all evill is the neglect of the authority of spirituall governours when no reverence or feare or honour is vsed towardes them If this had not proved true in you you had not presumed when authority contradicted it to reiterate your former opinions Or to accuse D. Hutton of ridiculous behaviour whose gravity and reverent deportment according to his place age founde not in the whole course of his life any accuser but you his resolution in iudgement and office then in goverment were the motiues causing him to send for you you confesse that the Doctours accompanying him attended but much disliked your sermon so did not they only but the whole Church many standing amased to see you bring forth so publikely those two twins ignorance and impudence Of these two Doctors in the former part you affirmed that one of them approved your Doctrine and Apologisd for your opinion which is most vntrue for he ever abhord your assertiō as formerly I haue answered you that his worthinesse protesteth and as here plainely vnto all appeareth in that you say these two Doctors gaue attentiō to your sermon with great discontent Mr LEECH Before these men D. Hutton began to charge me with scandalous erroneous and Popish doctrine fitter to be preached in Rome then in Oxford and therefore in no case to bee suffered there to disturbe the peace of the Vniversitie ANSVVER The Provice chancellor and these Doctors as Indices et iudices veritatis did discharge that true care of Gods glory to charge you with the breach of the peace of the Church by obtruding a doctrine scandalous for the occasion erroneous for the opinion vnsafe to bee read and vnsound to be preached Mr LEECH To this accusation I framed my answer to the same tenour and effect as you haue formerly seene in the kitchin-conference adding farther that the doctrine of the Trinity consubstantialitie c. might be branded with the imputation of Popery as well as this doctrine of Evangelicall Counsells ANSVVER You preached this doctrine twise over verbatim almost as appeareth by the Coppies vnder your hād that now I haue in keeping at least verbatim in your extorted producing of testimony and now verbatim you haue the same Apology for your doctrine of the Trinity consubstantiality c. which you rank with Evangelicall Counsells and of which I shall haue occasion to reckon with you in your motiues Mr LEECH But such is the temerity of some men that they will rather disclaime a manifest truth then they will concurre in opinion with the Church of Rome And for my part I see no reason why you may not as well renounce that Popish doctrine of the Trinity as this of Evangelicall Counsells since both haue their evidence from the same ground Canonicall Scripture and Ecclesiasticall Tradition yea the later hath more cleere deduction and testification out of the Scripture then the former ANSVVER Such is the miserie of some men that they will in the corruption of their rotten hearts vndertake the defence of some manifest vntruth to get them a name as Reverend D. Kilby protesteth he oftē warned you and it is the basenesse of some that in the fruitfull grounds of learning they smell after some dunghill questions of Popery to obtaine a title of singularity Mistake not slander not we disclaime not positions so much because Rome maintaineth them as because Antichrist and heresie invented them and yet looke into her streets marke well her Bullwarkes and religiously cōsider what fountaine hath she not poisoned what part of