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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A13880	A defence of the ecclesiastical discipline ordayned of God to be vsed in his Church Against a replie of Maister Bridges, to a briefe and plain declaration of it, which was printed An[no]. 1584. Which replie he termeth, A defence of the gouernement established in the Church of Englande, for ecclesiasticall matters.	Travers, Walter, 1547 or 8-1635.	1588 (1588)	STC 24183; ESTC S118502	153,730	244

Wherevpon he gathereth that either the Discipline declared in the booke which he laboureth to confute is not necessarie or else that the Church at least in some ages and places as a pillar of trueth hath vpholden and mainteyned it or striuen for it which he alleadgeth impertinentlie altogither to the especiall matter he was to intreate of yet agreeing with his generall purpose to laye in all places some stone of offence which may hinder the Reader to receyue the right and onely lawfull Discipline of the Church in such sort as by the word of God appertayneth In the former point whereof it is to be obserued that the Replyer graunteth the matter of Ecclesiasticall gouernement in some part thereof as well as other matters of doctrine to be necessarie to saluation which is worthie to bee obserued here because some other impugners of the holy Discipline and order appointed of God for the guydance of his Church make it no matter of such importance wherevpon it must needes followe by his owne rule that the Church at least in such pointes of it hath kept and ought to mainteyne the trew and right Discipline of the Church Furthermore for clearing of another point which he implyeth by his wordes that is that there is some trueth of God in matters of Ecclesiasticall Discipline and in other pointes of doctrine which are not necessarie to saluation and therefore not mainteyned by the Church it is to be vnderstoode that in some sense of necessarie in their place and degree all trueth both in the matter of Ecclesiasticall gouernement and also in all other Articles of Christian Religion is necessarie to saluation True it is that some pointes are so necessarie as that in the ordinarie dispensation of God no man can be saued without such meanes of whiche sorte also there are some euen in the Discipline of the Church as is the ministerie of the Gospell by such as are sent of GOD therevnto and such like There are othet whiche are not so simplie absolutelie and immediatlie necessarie but yet necessarie as meanes ordayned of God for the better furtherance of our saluation both in their owne vse and in the helpe they yeelde to make the other degree of meanes more fitte to doe vs good and more seruiceable and effectuall when they are duely prepared therevnto For example hereof to beleeue the promises of the Gospell in the ordinarie dispensation of God is simplie and absolutely necessarie to saluation and because there can be no faith of it except it be declared to men by such as are sent of God for that purpose this meanes is also alike necessarie Now for the better furtherāce of mens saluatiō hereby God hath apointed that there should be Pastors of it and Doctors in the Church for the ordinarie work of the ministerie of the Gospell He hath also declared howe suche Preachers ought to be qualified and in what manner they are to preache He hath appointed also his holy Sacramentes to be administred censures and corrections of offences to bee vsed with many other such like ordinances Which notwithstanding they be not all necessarie in the same degree that the former meanes are yet are they necessarie to prepare the same that they may be the fitter to doe vs good So the preachinge of the Gospell is the fitter to profite vs when it is preached as by the orders appointed of God it ought to be that is soundlie and sincerily without mixture of fables and phansies of men when it is preached by men of pitie and learning in the Scriptures that are able to teache to conuince to exhort and applie it in euery sort as it ought to be applyed And because God giueth not such men to his Church extraordinarilie the meanes whereby God hath prouided for the furnishing of the Church with such as their due ordination election examination and such like are in their degree also necessarie Whereof it were to be wished that wee had not so euident and certaine proofe as we haue in the daunger of so many amongest vs as are hazarded for want of sufficient Ministers of the Gospell and the necessarie meanes by the ordinance of GOD to haue such as may be worthie to beare the name of Christ before his people The same may be saide of the due execution of the censures of the Church Whiche howe necessarie it is in his place degree for the bringing of the obstinate sinner to the knowledge of his faulte and to repentance seeking by faith for pardō in Christ Iesus to saluation I thinke by former examples and daily experience of such as haue bin recouered by that meanes and of other that haue died in their sinnes for want of the same may easilie be discerned Besides these respectes they are also necessarie in regarde of Gods holie ordinance and appointement the contemptuous breache of whose commaundementes be they great or little in our account is damnable to all those that doe despise them Thus much may suffise to cleare these wordes of the Replyer so farre as is necessarie to saluation Vpon this glose he gathereth that the Discipline declared in the booke he would confute eyther is not necessarie or else at least in some ages and places hath bin mainteyned and kept or striuen for to bee established I answere that in such sense of necessarie as I haue mentioned it so to be the Discipline sett downe in the declaration is necessarie to saluation and further that it hath bin mainteyned in sundrie times and places and is at this day exercised and laboured for in the middest of the Church In the Apostles times and those which followed next after them it was exercised and mainteyned in all the places where the Apostles settled established any Churches as appeareth by their owne exercises and the storie of their Actes as it is alleadged in the Declaration and sundrie other bookes of like argument After that time it began in deede to decline in some partes as did other pointes of the Gospell But notable euidences are to be shewed of sundrie partes thereof in the writings of the auncient Fathers exercising some partes of it and lamenting the decay of some other In this age it is not vnknowen to be receyued mainteyned exercised in all the Churches of France of the lowe Countries and of Scotland for many yeares togither In this Church it hath bin laboured for nowe many yeares of the Ministerie by writing and preaching and by petitions offred to the Conuocation house of some of the commons in Parliament nowe three sundrie times by such meanes as to that high Court appertayneth by manie of all degrees and callings by most humble supplications to almightie God and all authoritie whiche he hath sett ouer vs and by sundrie other christian dueties and is not to be giuen ouer till God may heare vs and the righteousnes of Syon may come forth as the light of the day and hir saluation shine like a burning

nothing here worth the answering most of this speach being spent in a tale or two out of Aesope Of a Dogge and a Foxe with much gybing and iesting vppon the same matters fitter for some other stage then he is nowe vpon For nowe he is vppon a Theatre where men and Angells looke vppon him yea the Lorde blessed for euer Amen And where the Church especiallie amongst vs attende to heare of him whether it be in good state such as may promise the continuance and the increase of the blessing of God vpon vs or in an euill estate and such as may threaten the wrath of God and such grieuous punishmentes as in his anger he chastiseth the disobediences of his people with if being warned and called vpon to reforme them they doe not redresse nor amende them Whiche presence and expectation requireth a farre other speache and style then is here vsed Therefore I wishe he may take this warning hereafter to leaue this kinde of speache except hee will occupie him selfe with making playes as he was wont to doe but if he will deale with matters of grauitie and diuinitie to intreate grauilie of them and as becommeth a Diuine Nowe let vs come to his reasons Hee argueth that the order of the primitiue Church is not restored nowe in the best reformed Churces for his first reason hee alleadgeth that the offices of Apostles and such like are not restored Wherein knowing his answere to be readie that it is to be vnderstoode of that order which was setled in the primitiue church to continue these being but temporarie and extraordinarie he maketh him selfe this answere and then replyeth to it that so were also the Elders whose office is restored or if it bee otherwise that they were to remayne alwayes why then did they not alwayes continue but haue ceased so many yeres till they were nowe in this age restored agayne Wherevnto it is to bee answered as he partlie teacheth that most of the principall poyntes of the doctrine were not knowen in the publike ministerie of the Church for many yeares at the least not so as all partes might take knowledge of it I am not ignorant that there are many notable testimonies that in all ages the trueth of Religion was through the goodnes of God made knowen to some and so was it also I doubt not in the matters of the Discipline of the Church But as in the most publike and apparant visible Churches in all partes the holy doctrine it selfe ceased and the true worship of God was turned into superstition and idolatrie So in the order and guydance of the churche the right meanes and onely lawfull instituted and ordayned of God ceased in them This yet doeth not satisfie the replyer because he sayth of the rest Pastours Teachers Deacons we are able to shewe that there were in all ages good badde why then should not the like bee shewed of the Elder if it were alike perpetuall In which replye it is by the way to be obserued that he acknowledgeth the perpetuitie of the Teachers office and so good witnesse to warrant it For the continuance of these in the church he did wel to shuffle good and badde togither But lawfull Pastours Teachers and Deacons such as our Sauiour appointed to be in his church where will hee shewe them to haue continued I doubt not but he will alleadge the popishe Priestes Doctours and Deacons but he is to remember thar hee set downe in an other place that the Churche of Roome doeth ouerthrowe the foundation whiche hee declareth to bee Christ IESVS in an other place without whom neither can any particular man bee saued nor anie assembly bee the visible Churche of Christ And if the church of Roome haue not bene for many yeeres a trewe visible Church of Christ then could not the priestes and other their Cleargie-men be true and lawfull Pastors or officers in any place of the Church This hee thinketh to take away with sayinge good and badde In deede if their euill had bene onely in lyfe or in some one principall point of doctrine it were something hee saide But their defect was in the very calling For Christ being the dore and GOD that openeth to the Pastours that enter by it and all that enter otherwise are theeues and murderers What reckoning can bee made of their callinge to bee lawfull since the time that the doctrine of saluation by Christe IESVS and by faith in him onely was condemned But to deale more easilie with them and not to bringe them to the triall of the worde which they are in no sorte able to endure and to iudge them by the Cannons amongest so many as they were where can hee shewe anye for many yeeres togyther lawefully called accordinge to the best Cannons whereby a dewe examination of learning and lyfe going before the free consent of the Church whom it concerneth and ordination or layinge on of handes by those to whom it appertayneth is so required as if default bee made eyther in the examination or election the whole action is disanulled and made voyde Nowe if the Symoniacall compactes and bargaynes the brybes to procure fauour for benefices the buyings of aduousons and resignations whiche are generall mischiefes in the popishe Church And I would to God it might be sayde they are only there and the agreede authorized default of due election in all be compared with these Cannons it wil be founde that for many yeares no one of their Priestes hath bene by those Cannons lawfully called But if the manner of calling them were lawfull howe vnlike are the offices and functions exercised with them to those which our Sauiour hath appointed Their Priestes are ordayned not to preache the Gospell or to any other duetie of a true Pastour but to offer vppe Christ in sacrifice for the liuing and for the dead Teachers they haue none at all but schoole Doctours and created by the Popes writte which is nothinge like the Teacher of the Church set in it by our Sauiour Christe for the worke of the ministerie A Deacō by the first institutiō should be the disposer of the liberalitie and bountie of the Church bestowed for the reliefe of the poore such as are in miserie whereof no shadowe appeareth in their Deacons and I woulde this were onely trewe of theirs Whereby appeareth that in the Romish Church if he meane that as I take it hee must needes doe he shall not finde in it for many yeares any lawfull Pastour Teacher or Deacon neyther by the worde of God nor by the better Cannons that haue bin made concerning their calling yet nowe the thirde time the Replyer helping him selfe with good and bad tagge ana ragge mainteyneth that Pastours Teachers and Deacons haue alwayes continued in the churche that by such pretence he might seeme to saye somewhat agaynst the Elders office because as hee sayeth it did not so continewe But I haue alreadie shewed this was no continuance of the