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A95347 Tub-preachers overturn'd or Independency to be abandon'd and abhor'd as destructive to the majestracy and ministery, of the church and common-wealth of England. Proved in a satisfactory answer to a lybellous pamphlet, intituled A letter to Mr Thomas Edwards, with an infamous dedication. Shewing the vanity, folly, madness of the deboyst buff-coat, mechanick frize-coat, lay illiterate men and women, to usurpe the ministery, and audaciously vent their own hereticall opinions, in their hous- (alias tub) -- preachings. viz. Wiet a cobler. Robine a sadler. Sammon a sho-maker. Barde a smith. Kiffin a glover. Patience a taylor. Tue a girdler. Wilkin the meal-man. Fletcher a cooper. Hobson a taylor. Oates a button-maker. Ives a box-maker. Barbone a lether-seller. Parvis a gold-smith. Lamb a sope-boyler. Bignall a porter. Henshaw a confectioner, alias infectioner. Bulcher a chicken-man. Hawes a broaker. Duper a cow-keeper. Reader, I cannot inform thee of their christen names because 'tis questionable whether they have any. 1647 (1647) Wing T3207; Thomason E384_7; ESTC R201446 10,578 16

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Know you not who saith the weapons of our warfare are not carnall why then as men distracted crie ye out so loud for Magisteriall externall force Sir we know the Apostle so saith in that insancie of the Gospel-Doctrine of Jesus Christ the whole world almost in opposition against them they had nor nor could have such Magisteriall or outward force yet God invested them with Miracles mightily to compell or convince their like yours stiffe-necked and uncircumcised of heart which you more cunningly appropriate to tender conscience but we have the Precept of Jesus Christ for our example to inflict corporall penall punishments upon such incorrigible blasphemers and offenders Sir with a three string'd whip he yerkt out of the Temple those abusers of it Iohn 2. inferiour to your selves Sir can you denie this Legall punishment to be a Gospel-right and know if through our silence to God the Magistrate and Ministers you should persist in your unholyed unsanctified unwarranted progresse the very stones in our streets I verily believe would crie out against us Page 5. line 36. Ye warre indeed but it is after the flesh no wonder your conquest is no more for the Spirit of the Lord we feare is departed from you Pray ye speake softly give your charitie to ther stretch upon the Tenters or I le give you rope enough to stretch necks If you the troublers of our Israel were all departed far enough good enough to your good new Canaan a good riddance because you separate from us account your selves all the Spirit of the Lord. There is more reason and I rather believe it ye are of your father the Devil his worke ye doe then at least ye are the Devils Journeymen and I feare hee 'l recompence yee Sir we warre not after the flesh but against it we hold fight the good fight of Faith and our conquest over you is the overthrow of your Babel so vast and unlimited and all you that contribute your utmost assistance carrying up your Dung and untempered Mortar to make up the Bulke in this Fall or Confusion themselves are lost in the Rubbish Page 6. line 22. Tell us not Sir of a specious Ordination any farther then you can attest its Divinitie by the concomitancie of the Sp●r●t we shall else looke upon it as a meanes to delude the simple tell us not as your predecessors did of order and decencie in the Church Sir this specious Ordination which your Faction doth restractorily oppose we can and have done with all circumstances prove its Divinitie by the un-erring Spirit of Truth by the example of Christ that at one time ordained 70 Disciples and then sent them forth the practise of his blessed Apostles and since in the Primitive Church in all Ages successively which I here omit as I said to avoid prolixitie But now Sir I doe demand of your Il dependant illiterate partie man or woman by what specious Ordination or Call ordinarie or extraordinatie doe ye intrade your selves into our Pulpits to infect or touch our Congregations with your Leprous Doctrines In this ye imitate the Devils practise Iob 1. In the day the sonnes of God appeared before God Satan likewife came in amongst them but for hurt and affliction of godly Iob and therefore this Ordination we use it not as a meanes to deceive the simple were ye so wise as to believe it but as an Ordinance of Christ Tell us not of order and decencie in the Church Shall I tell ye if not worthy M. Edwards shall tell the world of you of your too too many disorders irreverent Antichristian behaviours in all Churches where ye come by your pragmaticall schismaticall preaching alias pratling Buffe-Coats and others I le name but one of 100000 where they pissed in a Font and brought a bald horse in the Church to the Font and baptized him by the name of Ball-Esau because said they he was Harry Gangrena 3. And although you will not be told of order and decencie in the Church I tell ye these disorders and undecent distractions and confusions the God of order and peace is not the Author of but the Devill 1 Cor. 14. 33. Page 7. line 18. Sir were you a messenger of Christ your work would be to goe and preach and hold forth the everlasting Gospel which alone is the arme of God to salvation you would more crie up the sword of God then of Gidion you would see more cogent convincing authority to subdue the heart by one Evangelicall scriptum est then a thousand politicall fiat Justitia's or all the arbitrarie boundlesse Canonicall Ipse Dixit's in the world Sir this I professe your Master-piece Sir to doubt M. Edwards to be a messenger of Christ I account it impertinent not worth resolving His servants or messengers ye are to whom ye obey That he obeyes followes Christs precepts or example I prove thus Christ his great and principall work was to redeem the world and save it but his first work as most necessary was to confute or convince the world of sin and this he began at 12 years age He had a greater work to doe yet this though inferiour was first as most requisite to confound put to silence such Rabbies and Ring-leaders as your selves that opposed his Kingdome Doctrine when he disputed with those Doctors that were astonied at his Wisdome Doctrine This was S. Pauls practise a chosen Vessell of Christs by a Call extraordinarie who fought the good fight of Faith with Beasts of Ephesus as M. Edwards doth in England after the manner of men he wrought with his hands not that every dispenser of the Gospel should doe so as ye doe but because he would not bring a reproach on the Gospel of Christ as ye doe Sir tell me now is there nothing to be done by a Minister or messenger of Christ but onely to preach you as we well know where God hath his Church the Devil hath his Chappell and though his messengers give all diligence yet the Devils Agents will make Bookes to sowe their Tares therefore there is something more to be done then onely to preach the everlasting Gospel Surely M. Edwards in these sad times holds forth this contention betweene the seed of the woman and the seed of the Serpent to be Evangelicall and approved of by the everlasting Gospel and as the right and strong Arme of God to salvation You would more crie up the sword of God then of Gidion Sir why must we have this distinction as if the sword of Gidion was not the Lords The Israelites as we doe cryed up the sword of the Lord and of Gidion or Magistrate This we well know is your way of babbling Sir this way of M. Edwards reprehending you and reproving you sharply as the Apostle commands is of a great convincing Authoritie to subject the heart and rip off that fore-skin were not your Adamite hearts harder then the Adamant yea it would be to you an Evange●icall