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A67284 A modest plea for infants baptism wherein the lawfulness of the baptizing of infants is defended against the antipædobaptists ... : with answers to objections / by W.W. B.D. Walker, William, 1623-1684. 1677 (1677) Wing W430; ESTC R6948 230,838 470

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too_o baptize_v their_o infant_n but_o their_o males_n not_o till_o forty_o day_n after_o their_o birth_n and_o their_o female_n not_o till_o eighty_o day_n after_o it_o so_o that_o from_o all_o the_o quarter_n of_o the_o world_n where_o christianity_n be_v profess_v witness_n come_v for_o infant_n baptism_n §_o 11._o but_o not_o more_o fruitful_a be_v this_o century_n for_o testifier_n to_o this_o truth_n than_o some_o of_o the_o forego_n be_v barren_a not_o from_o the_o rarity_n of_o the_o practice_n or_o opinion_n of_o man_n against_o it_o but_o from_o the_o scarcity_n of_o writer_n in_o those_o age_n who_o work_n be_v extant_a and_o from_o the_o little_a or_o no_o opposition_n make_v to_o it_o yet_o in_o the_o barren_a and_o dark_a of_o age_n we_o shall_v find_v a_o sufficiency_n of_o light_n and_o evidence_n to_o carry_v up_o this_o practice_n through_o they_o to_o the_o primitive_a time_n §_o 12._o in_o the_o middle_n of_o the_o fifteen_o age_n about_o anno_fw-la 1452_o we_o find_v nicolaus_n de_fw-fr orbellis_fw-la give_v his_o testimony_n to_o this_o truth_n 5._o yist_n 4._o 4_o libri_fw-la sent._n qu._n 5._o for_o to_o the_o question_n whether_o the_o effect_n of_o baptism_n be_v alike_o in_o all_o he_o answer_v by_o way_n of_o distinction_n say_v that_o the_o baptise_a be_v either_o infant_n or_o adult_n and_o that_o if_o the_o comparison_n be_v of_o a_o infant_n with_o the_o adult_n the_o effect_n be_v unequal_a the_o advantage_n on_o the_o adult_n side_n and_o upon_o the_o question_n whether_o the_o infant_n of_o infidel_n may_v be_v baptize_v against_o the_o 7._o ib._n qu._n 7._o will_n of_o their_o parent_n he_o determine_v that_o though_o a_o private_a person_n may_v not_o compel_v in_o that_o case_n yet_o a_o prince_n may_v and_o also_o he_o give_v reason_n why_o the_o infant_n to_o be_v baptize_v 8._o ib._n qu._n 8._o shall_v be_v catechize_v though_o they_o be_v not_o able_a to_o apprehend_v any_o instruction_n which_o be_v a_o sufficient_a indication_n both_o of_o his_o opinion_n and_o of_o the_o church_n practice_n in_o that_o age_n as_o for_o the_o catechise_v he_o speak_v of_o that_o none_o trip_v at_o that_o it_o be_v nothing_o but_o the_o ask_n and_o answer_v to_o the_o question_n solemn_o use_v in_o bapti_fw-la in_fw-la by_o the_o godfather_n for_o he_o tell_v you_o what_o the_o godfather_n mean_v when_o in_o the_o person_n of_o the_o infant_n he_o answer_v i_o believe_v and_o the_o reason_n for_o this_o he_o draw_v partly_o from_o the_o church_n partly_o from_o the_o godfather_n and_o partly_o from_o the_o infant_n §_o 13._o towards_o the_o latter_a end_n of_o this_o century_n about_o the_o year_n 1487_o flourish_v gabriel_n biel_n and_o he_o as_o the_o author_n new_o mention_v 4._o omnes_fw-la parvulirite_n baptiza●i_fw-la rem_fw-la &_o sacramentum_fw-la sus_fw-la cipiunt_fw-la sed_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la tantum_fw-la qui_fw-la fictè_fw-la &_o sine_fw-la