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as_o every_o one_o may_v see_v in_o the_o catholic_n history_n of_o it_o be_v it_o not_o pure_a frowardness_n and_o pertinacy_n in_o your_o divine_a to_o spend_v some_o four_o leaf_n to_o prove_v this_o nonsense_n but_o you_o may_v reply_v for_o he_o that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o opposition_n of_o divine_n first_o i_o ask_v how_o he_o know_v it_o for_o he_o have_v cite_v never_o a_o diariâ—…_n of_o what_o pass_v about_o make_v of_o the_o bull._n but_o suppose_v there_o be_v not_o do_v what_o pass_v a_o day_n or_o a_o month_n before_o make_v the_o pope_n proposition_n as_o it_o lie_v to_o be_v sense_n or_o nonsense_n and_o the_o substance_n of_o this_o answer_n by_o all_o probability_n your_o divine_a have_v read_v in_o religion_n and_o reason_n pag._n 69._o since_o though_o without_o name_v it_o he_o often_o cite_v it_o and_o yet_o resolve_o ramble_n upon_o other_o solution_n without_o take_v notice_n of_o this_o which_o be_v the_o main_a i_o will_v entreat_v my_o reader_n who_o 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