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A50493 A defence of the antiquity of the royal line of Scotland with a true account when the Scots were govern'd by kings in the isle of Britain / by Sir George Mackenzie ... Mackenzie, George, Sir, 1636-1691. 1685 (1685) Wing M156; ESTC R228307 87,340 231

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had a noble Camp and whereof the Vestiges are very remarkable to this day and in which there are Stones found with Roman Inscriptions designing the Stations of the Legions And certainly it is more proper to say the loss was lamented in that Country where the Battel was fought than in that Kingdom where the Romans never fought any And why did the Poet join Ierna in the same lamentation with Caledonia if he had not design'd by it to express Ierna as a part of our Scotland And this is more proper than to make the Poet join part of one to another different and remote Kingdom As also Starthern in Scotland is indeed a place where the Frost is strong and continues long as being very near the Hills But Ireland was known to be and is yet a Country much freer from Storms and Ice and was believ'd by the Ancients to be so as is most clear by Beda 2. Though the Poet had understood Ireland by Ierne yet it does not follow that because Ireland lamented the loss of the Scots who were kill'd here that therefore the Scots that were kill'd were not the Scots that were planted in Scotland since certainly Ireland could not but have lamented even the death of Scots who were setled here as Scotland and as the Scots here did lament very much the death of the Scots who were kill'd in Ireland in the late Massacre And as the Bishop himself argues in the Case of the Panegyrick above-cited I may far more justly argue here that this sense agrees better with the Poet 's noble flight who makes the loss that the Scots sustained to be so great that it was lamented even in Ireland Selden also l. 2. c. 8. Mar. Claus. applys this to us and not to the Irish. And these Verses in the same Author design'd likewise to the praise of the same Theodosius Pictos Edomuit Scotumque vaga mucrone secutus Fregit hyperboreas remis audacibus andas Are only applicable to the Scotish Colony setled in Ireland For he magnifies Theodosius Grand-father to Honorius for having pursued so far his Victory that he beat the Northern Seas with his bold Oars Now beside all the other Arguments formerly us'd can it be said that Theodosius's Souldiers ever went to Ireland that Ireland lies North-west from Clyde or Severus Wall Whereas it is certain they were in Scotland and it is very probable that they would follow the Scotish Colony into the North-west Isles or over Clyde where it 's formerly prov'd the Scotish Plantation first setled The Third Testimony shall be that of Hegisippus where he brings in Ben-gorion disswading the Iews to fight against the Romans the Conquerors of all the Earth whom the unsearchable Places of the Ocean and the furthest places of India obey What shall I say of the Isles of Britain divided from the rest of the World by Sea and reduc'd by the Romans to be a part of the World who makes Scotland to tremble which owes nothing to any part of the Earth To which Cambden answers That this must be interpreted of Ireland because the words Quae terris nihil debet must be interpreted as if the Scotia here spoke of were joyn'd to no other place and that is only applicable to Ireland and not to Scotland But what a hard shift is he here driven to for none can interpret Quae terris nihil debet in that sense there being nothing more different than these two expressions which is not joyn'd to the other Parts of the Earth as Cambden would interpet it and which owes nothing to any part of the Earth as the Author expresses it There is nothing more ordinary than for one who thinks he depends not upon another to say I owe you nothing And certainly it agrees much more with the Author's Intention to interpret these words so Scotland which ow'd homage to no place does tremble at the Roman Arms. 2. It cannot be said that ever the Romans did attack Ireland And to clear this beyond answer in the same harangue cited out of Ben-gorion himself by Vsher Ben gorion says to the Iews that when the General of the Nations only came these Nations resisted them but when the Roman Emperours themselves came they submitted to them And I desire to know if ever Ireland was invaded by the Romans So that what is said in the harangue is not applicable to the Scotia Hibernica as they pretend but to that Country wherein we now live As also by the same Ben-gorion it is clear that Nero being discourag'd upon the rebellion of the Iews and Vespasian comming to him comforted him by remembering him that some of his Captains had conquer'd all the Western World France Scotland and the land of Tubal And whereas Vsher to lessen this Authority is forc'd to alledge that Hegesippus's Works were spurious This contradicts Eusebius who makes him to have liv'd Anno Christi 160. And tho Vsher contends that both these Authors must be late because Hegesippus who only cites Ben-gorion names Constantinople which chang'd not the name of Bizantium till about the beginning of the 4th Century Yet the Answer is easie viz. That this being a Translation from the Greek the Translator has us'd the name that was best known in his own Time And the English and other Nations have acknowledg'd this to be the Work of Hegesippus and translate it as such Vsher himself indeed is inclin'd to think that this was the Work of St. Ambrose but even that is sufficient for us for not only is St. Ambrose himself older than the 503 Year and so proves that our Country was before that time called Scotland but St. Ambrose relating this Speech made in Vespasian's Time must prove that this Country was call'd Scotland in Vespasian's Time who was elected Emperour 72 Years after Christ. Tertullian who died in the Year 202 and so must have written some time before that and could not have written of us as Christians and a Nation if we had not been so for a considerable time for Informations did spread slowly in that Age when there was so little Commerce and at so great a distance This great Doctor of the Primitive Church writing against the Jews who he knew would examine the truth of the matter of Fact alledg'd against them says for the honour of the Christian Religion which he was defending That those Inhabitants of Britain which could not be subdu'd by the Romans yet willingly yielded to the Yoke of Christ. From which it is urg'd that in Tertullian's Time there were Nations in Britain which had never submitted to the Roman Yoke but yet submitted to the Yoke of Christ. But so it is that could not be meant of the Britains for all the World knows and the Bishop confesses that long before that Time they had submitted to the Romans And therefore it is plain that there were other Nations in the Isle and that could not be true except the