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A48863	The harmony between the old and present non-conformists principles in relation to the terms of conformity, with respect both to the clergie, and the people : wherein a short history of the original of the English liturgy, and some reasons why several truly conscientious Christians cannot joyn with the church in it : humbly presented to publick consideration in order to the obtaining some necessary relaxation and indulgence : to which are added some letters that pass'd between the Lord Cecil, and Arch-bishop Whitgift.	Lobb, Stephen, d. 1699.; Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.; Burghley, William Cecil, Baron, 1520-1598.	1682 (1682)	Wing L2726; ESTC R23045	77,527	105

memory of them to cast away even such things as had a good Original and use if they be not still necessary or commanded of God when once they are known to have been defiled by Idolatry or abused unto it 3. By the equity and reasons of these Commandments which we find set down in Holy Scripture viz. 1. The detestation which the Lord our God being a jealous God beareth unto Idolatry and all the Instruments and Tokens thereof as unto Spiritual Whoredom 2. That we cannot be said sincerely to have repented of the Idolatry or Superstition whereby we or our Fore-fathers have provoked the Lord unless we be ashamed of and cast away with detestation all the Instruments and Monuments of it 3. That we shall be in danger to be corrupted in the Substance of Religion and purity of Doctrine and even to fall back again unto idolatry if we conform our selves to Idolaters in their Ceremonies and retain the Monuments of their Superstition yea if we shew not all detestation unto them 4. That our holding of Conformity with Idolaters in their Ceremonies wherein they repose the greatest part of their Religion will be a special mean to harden them in their Superstition 5. That seeing the Pope is reveiled to be that great Antichrist and his Idolatry troubleth the Church at this day more than any other and our people converse more with Papists than with any other Idolaters there is more danger in the retaining of the Ceremonies and Relicks of Popery than of any other Idolatry whatsoever 4. By the judgment of the Godly Learned of all Churches and Ages who have constantly taught and given Testimony to this Truth that Christians are bound to cast off the Ceremonies and Religious Customes of Pagans Jewes Idolaters and Hereticks and carefully to shun all Conformity with them therein In the Councell of Nice it was decreed that Christians might not keep the Feast of Easter at that time nor in that manner as the Jewes did Let us say they in nothing agree with that most detestable rout of the Jewes And in another Councill that none should fast on the Lord's day because the Manichees had taken up that day to fast on which also Augustine alledgeth and approveth of in another That such Altars as were set up in the Country and High-ways in memory of the Martyrs should be abolished although they were pretended to be set by Revelations or Visions and that solemn request should be made to the Emperour that all Reliques and Monuments of Idolatry might be utterly destroyed And this decree we find cited by Dr. Fulk In another Councill it was decreed that none of the Clergy should forbear or make scruple to eat Flesh that they might shew themselves to differ from the Priscillianists In another that Christians should not deck their houses with Bay leaves and Green Boughs because the Pagans did use so to do That they should not rest from their labours those dayes that the Pagans did and that they should not keep the first day of every Month as they did In another that Christians should not celebrate Feasts on the Birth dayes of Martyrs because that was the manner of the Heathen Tertullian is large and vehement in this point as saith he we may give nothing to the service of an Idol So may we borrow nothing from the service of an Idol If it be against Religion to sit at Table in an Idols Temple what is it to be seen in the habit of an Idol Again no habit or apparel is esteemed Lawfull amongst us that hath been dedicated or appointed to so unlawfull an Act. Thou that art a Christian must hate those things the Authors and Inventors whereof thou canst not choose but hate In another place he affirmeth that Christians might not wash their hands nor lay aside their Cloakes before Prayer nor sit upon their Beds after Prayer because the Heathen used so to do Melchiades Bishop of Rome decreed that no Christians should fast on the Lord's day or on the Friday because it was a known custom of the Pagans to fast on those dayes Ambrose taught Monica the Mother of Augustine as Augustine himself reporteth it which is also alleadged by Bishop Jewel to leave bringing of Wine and Cakes to the Church as she was wont to do because she might not Lawfully give such a shew of Conformity with the Gentiles Augustine himself also prescribing a direction how to winn the Pagans hath these words if you ask how the Pagans may be won how they may be enlightned how they may be called to Salvation leave all their Solemnities forsake their Toyes Gregory as we find him cited by Bishop Jewel alleadgeth and approveth of a decree of the Councell of Toledo which forbade the Ceremony of thrice dipping in Baptism because it was the custom of certain Hereticks Leo adviseth all Christians to shun the viperous conference of Hereticks and that in nothing they would be like unto them who in name only are Christians The judgment of the Church of Scotland appeareth in a Letter written from a general Assembly held at Edenborough 1566. unto the Bishops of England In which besides many other sentences to this purpose thus they write If Surplice Corner Cap and Tippet have been badges of Idolaters in the very Act of Idolatry what have the Preachers of Christian Liberty and the open Rebukers of Superstition to do with the dregs of the Romish Beast And more plainly in the confession of their Faith whereunto his right excellent Majesty with others of the cheif states of that Kingdom did solemnly swear and subscribe where we find these words We detest all the Ceremonies and false Doctrine of the Roman Antichrist added to the ministration of the true Sacraments We detest all his vain Allegories Rites Signes and Traditions brought into the Church without the Word of God Thus have such as have been chief Pillars in our own Church judg'd of the Monuments of Idolatry a●d all Conformity with Papists in their Ceremonies Mr. Rogers that Holy Martyr would not consent to a Canon that was to be made in King Edward's dayes for the Clergies Uniformity in Cap Tippet and the rest of the Apparel unless it might be decreed that the Papists for a difference between them and others might be constrained to wear upon their sleeves a Challice with an Host upon it Our late Queens injunctions require that all Monuments of Idolatry and Superstition be so utterly extinguished and destroyed that there may remain no memory of them either in our Churches or Houses And the Book of Canons made Anno Dom. 1571. That no man wear the grey Amice or any other garment defiled with the like Superstition Bishop Jewel in one place approveth the judgment of Tertullian and the Fathers of that Age who forbade Christians to wear Garlands of Bay not for that saith he the thing was ill of it self but for that they would not seem to follow Idolaters It had some appearance of

such a multitude of weighty Arguments against the Lawfulness of the Ceremonies c. that a giving the Reader all would take up a very large Volume but 't is not my business to insist on all that may be offer'd I 'le therefore close with this one Argument Argument VI. Notwithstanding the great Cry that has been made about the Antiquity of the English Service and the reasonableness of conforming unto it for that reason some Dissenters refuse to joyn in the use of it because such a practice is not agreeable to the best Antiquity They think that the Apostles were best acquainted with the Mind and VVit of Jesus Christ and that the Primitive Christians in the First Second and Third Centuries kept more exactly to the Rule of Christ than those who lived in the Fourth Fifth Sixth or Seventh c. whence the Antiquity the Dissenter pleads for is that which is most Ancient and most pure unto which pattern such as will aim at a thorough Reformation must attempt the reducing all things in matters of Religion 'T is generally agreed by all Protestants that in the Apostolical and most Primitive Dayes of the Gospel all things were most exactly conformed to the VVill of our Lord Jesus Christ and that the nearer any keep to his Rule the better A Deviating from the Primitive practice has been but the beginning of all those many corruptions that have infested the Church of Christ Seeing this is a truth acknowledged by most let us enquire after the Antiquity of such Liturgies as this in use among us and after the time when Liturgies were first imposed and from whom and when the present English Liturgy had its rise 1. From what has been already suggested 't is manifest That there were no stinted Liturgies impos'd on any Pastors of particular Churches the First Four Hundred years after Christ The which may be be further confirm'd out of what Dr. Burnet in the Second part of the History of the Reformation doth acknowledge who speaking of Liturgies doth say That they were not made the Subject of any publick Consultation till St. Austins time when in their Dealings with Hereticks they found they took advantages from some of the Prayers that were in some Churches Upon this he tells us it was order'd that there should be no Prayers used in the Church but upon common Advice After that the Liturgie came to be more carefully confidered Formerly the Worship of God was a pure and simple thing and so it continued till Superstition had so infected the Church that those Formes were thought too naked unless they were put under more Artificial Rules and dressed up with much Ceremony c. So far Dr. Burnet About this time which was in the Fourth Century St. Ambrose compos'd his Service Book which was the first that gained any confiderable Reputation in the VVorld The Spurious Liturgies that are ascribed unto the Apostles are such as have enough in 'em to convince the Reader that they were not so ancient as is pretended After this time the Pastors or Bishops of Churches were very busie in composing Prayers in making Additions to what was done by such as went before ' em But no Liturgie as yet impos'd on any Churches Every Pastor tho' he communicated the prayers he had composed for his own use unto others The which he did only for the satisfaction of his Brethren that they might be assur'd there was nothing of Error in 'em yet none impos'd 'T is very probable that St. Ambrose's Liturgie in Divers places finding Acceptance was much in use But 't is most certain that until Pope Adrian the first who liv'd in the Eighth Century there was no general Imposition of any Liturgie In Petries Church History 't is storyed That about the later end of the Eighth Century there was a great contention for receiving the Mass of Pope Gregory into the Churches first by Authority of Pope Adrian and then of Charles the Great some Churches had one Directory and some another who would not change VVhen the Pope saw so great Opposition and it may be understood that it was not small when the Pope was put to such a shift he said he would refer it to the VVill of God whither he would by any visible sign approve the Mass of Gregory or Ambrose so these two Books were laid together upon the Altar in St. Peters Church and he cal'd upon God which of the Two he approved The Doors were shut all Night and the next Morning when they were return'd into the Church the Book of Ambrose was found lying as it was laid down and the other was all torn and dispersed through the Church The Pope maketh the Comment if we will belive Jacob de Voragine in Vita Gregorij That the Mass of Ambrose should be untouch'd and the Mass of Gregory should be used through the VVorld and so he did Authorize and Command that it should be used in all Churches and Chappels But many did expound that sign the contrary way and would not receive it till Charles did command all Bishops and Priests to use it through his Dominions he caused the Mass of Ambrose to be burned and threw many Priests into Prison who refused to accept the new Mass or Pope Gregories Liturgy The Church of Millaine would not change Walifred Strabo who lived about the year 900 testifieth in his Book de Exordijs rerum cap. 25. That in his time the Roman Mass was not universally in all Churches but almost saith he in all the Churches of the Latines and no Benedictine Monks did read it c. Thus Adrian the Pope and Charles the Emperour were the first hot Zealots for Gregories Liturgy who were much more fond of it than Gregory himsel● was for Gregory did as much detest the Vniversal Imposition as he did zealously reject the Title of an Vniversal Bishop whence he was not fond of imposing it on us in England 'T is very certain that the Christian Religion did many an hundred years flourish in this Kingdom before 't was troubled with a Romish Liturgie which came not hither till about the year 600 and then rejected by the British Christians who severely suffer'd for their refusing to comply with the prelatick Impositions of that proud Monk Austine who stirring up the King of Kent to fight against the Christians thereby to bring 'em if possible to a complyance with his Ceremonies was the cause of the Destruction of above a Thousand Godly Monks besides the many others who were cruelly slain at that time The which Austin most wretchedly did tho' he never receiv'd any such advice from Gregory An account of Pope Gregories Moderation we have in Dr Burnet who gives us also a short History of the Rise and Progress of Ceremonies thus Gregory the Great was the first that took much care to make the Church Musick very regular and he did also put the Liturgies in another Method than had been formerly used Yet he had no

Officers as Chancellors Commissaries Arch-Deacons and such like whose Offices are of more value and profit by such kind of proceedings might in such sort proceed against the Ministers of the Church yet your Lordship the Arch-Bishop of that Province of Canterbury have beside your general authority some particular interest in the present jurisdiction of sundry Bishopricks vacant and you also the Bishop of London both for your own authority in your Diocess and as head Commissioner Ecclesiastical would have a Pastoral regard over the particular Officers to stay and temperate them in their hasty proceedings against the Ministers and especially against such as do carnestly profess and instruct the people against the dangerous Sects of Papistry but yet of late hearing of the lamentable estate of the Church in the County of Essex that is of a great number of zealous and learned Preachers they are suspended from their cures the vacancy of the place for the most part without any Ministry or Preaching Prayers and Sacraments and in some places of certain appointed to those void roomes being persons neither of learning nor of good names and in other places of that County a great number of persons occupying the cures being notoriously unfit most for lack of learning many charg'd or chargable with great and enormions faults as drunkenness filthiness of Life Gamesters at Cardes hunting of Alehouses and such like against whom we hear not of any proceedings but that they are quietly suffered to the slander of the Church to the offence of good people yea to the famishing of them for lack of good teaching and thereby dangerous to the subverting of many weaklins from their duties to God and the Queens Majesty by secret Jesuites and counterfeit Papists and having thus in a general sort heard out of many partes of the like of this lamentable Estate of the Church yet to the intent we should not be deceived in the generality of the reports we sought to be informed c. Numb 4. A Letter from the Lord Treasurer to the Arch-bishop July 5. 1584. IT may please your Grace I am sorry to trouble you so often as I do but I am more troubled my self not only with many private Petitions of sundry Ministers recommended for persons of credit for peaceable persons in their Ministry and yet by complaints to your Grace and other your Collegues in commission greatly troubled but also I am daily now charged by Councellors and publique persons to neglect my duty in not staying these your Graces proceedings so vehement and so general against Ministers and Preachers as the Papists thereby are greatly encouraged all evil disposed persons and subjects animated and thereby the Queen's Majesties safety endangered with these kinds of Arguments I am daily assailed against which I answer that I think your Grace doth nothing but being duely examined tendeth to the maintenance of the Religion now Established and to avoid Schism in the Church I also have for example shewd your papers sent to me how fully the Church is furnish'd with Preachers and how small a number there are that do contend for their singularity but these occasions do not satisfie all persons neither do I seek to satisfie all persons but with Reason and Truth But now my good Lord by chance I have come to the sight of an Instrument of 24 Articles of great length and curiosity formed in a Romish Stile to examine all manner of Ministers in this time without distinction of persons which Articles are Entituled apud Lambeth May 1584 to be executed ex officio mero c. and upon this occasion I have seen them I did recommend unto your Graces favour two Ministers Curates of Cambridge-shire to be favourably heard and your Grace wrote to me that they were contentious seditious and persons vagrant to maintain this controversie wherewith I charg'd them sharply and they both deny'd these charges and requir'd to be tryed and so to receive punishment I answered that your Grace would so charge them and then I should see afterwards what they should deserve and advis'd them to resort to your Grace comforting them that they should find favourable proceedings and so I hoped upon my former commendations the rather What may be said to them I know not nor whether they have been so faulty as your Grace have been inform'd neither do I mean to treat for to favour such men for pardon I may speak upon their amendment but now they coming to me I asked how your Grace proceeded with them they say they are commanded to be examined by the Register of London and I asked them whereof they said of a great number of Articles but they could have no copies of them I answer'd that they might answer to the truth they said that they were so many in number and so diverse that they were afraid to answer to them for fear of captious interpretation upon this I sent for the Register who brought me the Articles which I have read and find so curiously penn'd so full of branches and circumstances and I think the Inquisitors of Spain use not so many questions to comprehend and to trap their preyes I know your Canonists can defend these with all their particles but surely under your Graces correction this Juridical and Canonical sifting of poor Ministers is not to edifie and reform and in charity I think they ought not to answer to all these nice points except they were very notorious Offenders in Papistry or Heresie Now good my Lord bear with my scribling I write with the Testimony of a good Conscience I desire the peace of the Church I desire concord and unity in the exercise of our Religion I fear no sensual wilfull recusant but I conclude that according to my simple judgment this kind of proceeding is too much savouring the Romish Inquisition and is rather a device to seek for Ossenders than to reform any This was not that charitable instruction that I thought was intended If these poor Ministers should in some few points have any scrupulous conceptions meet to be removed this is not a charitable way to send them to answer to your common Register upon so many Articles at one instant without commodity of instruction by your Register whose office is only to receive their answers by which the parties are first subject to condemnation before they be taught their errors It may be that I say that Canonists may maintain this proceeding by Rules of their Lawes but though omnia lice●t omnia non expediunt I pray your Grace bear this one perchance a fault that I have willed them not to answer these Articles except their Consciences may suffer them And yet I have sharply admonished them that if they be disturbers in their Churches they must be corrected and yet upon your Graces answer to me ne sutor ultra erepidam neither will I put falcem in alterius messem My paper teaches me to make an end Your Graces at command William Burleigh