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in_o to_o furnish_v your_o table_n and_o let_v the_o indifferent_a reader_n judge_n whether_o you_o may_v safe_o trust_v m._n brerâ—ly_o or_o we_o you_o in_o allegation_n especial_o out_o of_o protestant_a writer_n who_o word_n either_o you_o corrupt_v or_o adulterate_a their_o meaning_n or_o both_o as_o evident_o appear_v in_o all_o the_o place_n above-cited_n and_o thus_o have_v i_o now_o at_o length_n sponge_v out_o all_o the_o spot_n which_o your_o pen_n have_v cast_v on_o the_o conference_n as_o for_o personal_a aspersion_n upon_o i_o especial_o of_o want_n of_o gravity_n and_o patience_n i_o hold_v it_o fit_a to_o refel_v these_o and_o the_o like_a slander_n by_o silent_a and_o patient_a endure_v they_o as_o you_o herein_o take_v petilian_n the_o donatist_n for_o your_o precedent_n of_o impudent_a rail_n so_o i_o will_v take_v saint_n austen_n for_o my_o pattern_n of_o silent_a patience_n and_o close_v up_o all_o further_a answer_n in_o his_o word_n 11._o quid_fw-la mirum_fw-la si_fw-la cum_fw-la grana_fw-la de_fw-la areâ_fw-la domini_fw-la excussa_fw-la simul_fw-la &_o paleam_fw-la intror_fw-la sum_fw-la trabo_fw-la iniuriam_fw-la resilientis_fw-la pulueris_fw-la suffero_fw-la what_o marvel_n if_o in_o sweep_v the_o lord_n floor_n and_o seek_v to_o gather-in_a grain_n that_o be_v fly_v out_o i_o endure_v a_o little_a dust_n homo_fw-la sum_fw-la enim_fw-la de_fw-la areâ_fw-la christi_fw-la palea_fw-la si_fw-la malus_fw-la granum_fw-la si_fw-la bone_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la hâ—ius_fw-la area_n uâ—niâ—labrum_fw-la lingu_n petiliani_fw-la i_o be_o a_o man_n and_o i_o know_v i_o be_o of_o christ_n floor_n that_o be_v in_o his_o true_a visible_a church_n all_o the_o papist_n in_o the_o world_n shall_v never_o disproove_v it_o if_o i_o be_o evil_a i_o be_o chaff_n if_o good_a i_o be_o wheat_n and_o whether_o i_o be_v the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o this_o be_v my_o comfort_n i_o be_o sure_a the_o
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nèque_fw-la meis_fw-la temerare_fw-la oculis_fw-la neque_fw-la alienis_fw-la patere_fw-la velle_fw-la sed_fw-la aversum_fw-la tegere_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la erratum_fw-la sancti_fw-la viri_fw-la nec_fw-la approbâsse_fw-la nec_fw-la prodidisse_fw-la all_o that_o i_o have_v already_o intimate_v rather_o than_o express_v in_o this_o kind_n be_v to_o show_v that_o every_o prick_n be_v not_o a_o wound_n every_o spot_n not_o a_o sâ—ain_n in_o a_o ancient_a writer_n that_o every_o difference_n in_o judgement_n make_v not_o a_o rent_n in_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o that_o although_o waldo_n or_o wicklef_n or_o husse_v or_o any_o other_o forerunner_n of_o luther_n reformation_n in_o our_o day_n may_v have_v some_o private_a difference_n between_o themselves_o and_o from_o we_o as_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n have_v yet_o that_o these_o discord_n hinder_v not_o but_o that_o they_o and_o we_o may_v bear_v a_o part_n in_o some_o consent_n and_o harmony_n of_o belief_n on_o earth_n and_o 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