Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	affirm_v	scripture_n	word_n	1,714	5	4.4575	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A47189	A true relation of a conference had betwixt G. Keith and T. Upsher, at Colchester the 6th of the fifth month, 1699 the truth of which is attested by three witnesses who took it from their mouths in short-hand and afterwards by joint consent writ it out at length : the question stated at the said conference was whether Thomas Upsher's preaching in the forenoon that faith in Christ, as he was born of the Virgin Mary, and dyed for our sins, &c. was absolutely necessary to salvation, ..., and in the afternoon his preaching that the light within ... is sufficient to salvation is a contradiction : and a brief account of the uncivil and illegal treatment used by some principal Quakers at Colchester and Bristol toward G Keith ... : and a postscript, containing some notes and observations on the assertions of T. Upsher and his brethren, detecting their self-contradictions : and a certificate from Parson Shelton of Colchester, to the truth of the case in debate ... and to the truth of the conference / by George Keith.	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.	1699 (1699)	Wing K222; ESTC R14758	20,930	32

consequence_n either_o g._n k._n be_v no_o apostate_n for_o his_o say_n the_o light_n within_o be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o salvation_n without_o something_o else_o or_o if_o they_o think_v he_o be_v for_o his_o so_o affirm_v they_o be_v as_o great_a apostate_n as_o he_o and_o guilty_a of_o the_o same_o apostasy_n with_o he_o again_o be_v it_o not_o a_o palpable_a contradiction_n betwixt_o these_o colchester_n quaker_n who_o say_v it_o be_v their_o absolute_a belief_n that_o faith_n in_o christ_n without_o they_o be_v necessary_a to_o their_o salvation_n and_o g._n whithead_n who_o have_v positive_o and_o express_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o scripture_n to_o confide_v in_o christ_n without_o man_n and_o to_o tell_v of_o a_o christ_n who_o person_n be_v above_o the_o cloud_n and_o of_o a_o christ_n within_o be_v to_o make_v two_o christ_n see_v his_o book_n truth_n defend_v the_o quaker_n p._n 65._o and_o p._n 23._o and_o in_o his_o book_n call_v the_o light_n and_o life_n p._n 61._o he_o say_v it_o be_v contrary_a to_o scripture_n viz._n deut._n 30._o and_o rom._n 10._o for_o people_n to_o seek_v their_o saviour_n above_o the_o cloud_n and_o firmament_n or_o to_o look_v to_o the_o blood_n that_o be_v shed_v at_o jerusalem_n for_o justification_n and_o in_o p._n 56._o he_o say_v expound_v act_n 20._o 28._o now_o the_o blood_n of_o god_n or_o that_o blood_n that_o relate_v to_o god_n must_v needs_o be_v spiritual_a he_o be_v a_o spirit_n and_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n be_v inward_a and_o spiritual_a and_o so_o be_v the_o blood_n of_o it_o here_o g._n whithead_n perfect_o agree_v with_o w._n bailly_n in_o his_o notion_n that_o the_o blood_n be_v the_o life_n and_o the_o life_n be_v the_o light_n of_o man_n see_v w._n b_n testimony_n of_o the_o light_n in_o he_o pag._n 23._o this_o i_o do_v take_v to_o be_v also_o t._n v'_v notion_n of_o the_o blood_n see_v he_o tell_v we_o he_o differ_v not_o in_o his_o faith_n from_o other_o friend_n and_o yet_o 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and_o rom._n 3._o 30._o where_o faith_n in_o christ_n jesus_n as_o he_o outward_o suffer_v etc._n etc._n be_v declare_v to_o be_v necessary_a as_o well_o to_o the_o gentile_n as_o the_o jew_n 2._o if_o the_o light_n in_o heathen_n be_v sufficient_a to_o salvation_n without_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n outward_a manifestation_n be_v it_o not_o as_o sufficient_a in_o christian_n without_o that_o faith_n otherwise_o it_o be_v less_o sufficient_a in_o christian_n than_o in_o heathen_n and_o consequent_o that_o faith_n be_v superfluous_a or_o at_o least_o not_o more_o necessary_a in_o christian_n than_o in_o heathen_n 3._o why_o be_v that_o faith_n necessary_a to_o the_o christian_n but_o not_o to_o the_o heathen_a if_o it_o be_v say_v because_o that_o the_o doctrine_n concern_v christ_n as_o he_o outward_o come_v and_o be_v crucify_a be_v preach_v or_o declare_v to_o the_o christian_n though_o not_o to_o the_o heathen_n by_o the_o scripture_n and_o other_o outward_a mean_n but_o the_o 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