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A70039 Apokrypta apokalypta velata quædam revelata : some certain, hidden, or vailed spiritual verities revealed : upon occasion of various very prying and critical queries concerning God, the devil, and man, as to his body, soul, and spirit, Heaven, Hell, Judgement &c : propounded to George Fox, John Perrot, Samuel Fisher : and after that (with a complaint for want of, and stricter urgency for an answer) re-propounded to Edward Burroughs : by two persons, choosing to notifie themselves to us no other way then by these two unwonted (if not self-assumed) titles, viz. Livinus Theodorus, and Sabina Neriah : which truths (as there inspired by the spirit of God) are here expired in love to the souls of men / from ... Samuel Fisher. Fisher, Samuel, 1605-1665.; Fox, George, 1624-1691.; J. P. (John Perrot), d. 1671? 1661 (1661) Wing F1047; ESTC R31513 23,491 32

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Hills so that all Nations shall go up unto it while the proud and lofty dwel down below in a low place The way of life is above where the upright walk who are to have Dominion over the wicked in that Morning that is appearing who dwell in Hell which is beneath and lie in the grave and in the dust of the Earth where Death gnaweth upon their intrals and feedeth upon them as his Prey Query 10. What is Hell and where is it Is it a certain local place or that which through the creatures disobedience is manifested in him and that there is no other Answ Hell is the Valley of Jehoshaphat i. e. of the Lords judgment as the word is in English where with fire and his sword he pleadeth with all flesh where he easeth himself of his Adversaries and maketh his indignation known to his enemies whither the Lord comes like a whirlewind to render his anger with fury and his rebukes with flames of fire where the worm that eats in the intrals of the wicked never dies and the fire is never to be quenched The place that is ordained of old by the Lord yea for the King it is prepared i. e. for the Devil and his Angels the King of all the devouring crowned Locusts which come up in That Smoke that ascends out of the bottomless pit and darkens the Sun and the Air whose Name is Abaddon and Apollion i. e. in English the Destroyer The Valley which is also called Tophet or the Valley of the land of Benhinnom tipified by that which was of old about Jerusalem is its figure where men sacrificed their friends through the fire to the Idol Moleck which was their God the Pyle where of is Fire and much Wood and the Breath of the Lord which is his Spirit in mens own evil Consciences like a River of Brimstone doth feed and kindle it This is that Valley of Jehosaphat to which as much a Riddle and Mysterie as it may seem to be to say Come up to the Valley all the Heathen must be awakened and summoned to come up to account out of the dark Cells of their own deceitful and desperately wicked hearts even to that Light which is the least of Seeds and lies lowest under the lust of the world which is got above it in mens hearts yet is in truth the greatest and highest Power and seat of Judicature which whoever resist and rebel against receive to themselves Damnation This is as a burning within kindled under all mens fleshly glory of which mean while not denying it to be also a certain local place as ye speak we affirm that it is within in the Conscience of every Malefactor or impenitent Rebel against the Light where the wrath of God is manifested against sin and on the Creature for its disobedience where Heathenish People not liking to retain God in their knowledge nor glorifying him according to what knowledge they have of him but giving themselves over to vile affections and to act things that are unseemly receive mark within themselves as 't is said Rom. 1. the just recompence of reward that is meet for their works where as every one whose work is found approved by the Light that proves it hath his rejoicing with that joy which the stranger intermeddles not withal in himself alone not in another Gal. 5. So every one whose work is reproved by the same must bear his own burden which none can ease him of or take off from him whoever he is And this is Hell which is the Lake that burns with fire and brimstone which is the second death where the fearful unbelieving and abominable have their part who have no part nor portion in Gods holy City And in answer to the last clause of your sixth query this I say is the manner of the consolation and happiness or torment and sorrow of which ye ask After what manner shall the soul if it be sensible of either out of the body enjoy the one or have the other inflicted on it Query 11. What is it in man that must be made sensible of the joy of the one through obedience or the torment of the other through disobedience since what God hath loved he loves to the end and the Earth must return to the Earth and the Spirit to him that gave it Ans The soul of man is that in man which when once departed from its body which it 's the Life of and also from its a foresaid spirit which is its life must be made sensible of the consolation through obedience or of the tribulation through disobedience as it is written Ezek 18. The soul that sinneth shall dye though the Seed of God had it kept its union with it would have kept it A living soul So Rom. 2. it is written Tribulation and anguish indignation and wrath must be upon every soul of man that doth evil but glory honor and peace upon every soul of man that worketh good whether they be Jews or Gentiles And this with a non obstante to your words of exception at the end of the query viz. since what God hath once loved he loves to the end which are neither the words of Scripture nor of the truth for there it 's said having loved his own which are such onely who own him in his love he loved them to the end and this we say is unchangeably so although this is also as unchangeable a truth of God who cannot change That having from everlasting hated the foreseen subjects of ungodliness whom he afore unchangeably ordained to be objects of his wrath and condemnation he hated them unto the end for as immutably as he loves Jacob which is the righteous Seed that is ever blessed he hates Esau or Edom the Seed of evil-doers which is never to be renowned which because it is for ever the border of wickedness therefore is it the people against whom God hath indignation for ever And this notwithstanding also your other words in the Query viz. Seeing that the Earth must return to the Earth and the Spirit to God that gave it For as I said above then doth the evil Soul stand most nakedly open to its misery and sensible of its torment vvhen it 's divested of that body in which it took its pleasure and of its spirit vvhich should could and vvould have led it once but novv it cannot the gulph being fixed to those Rivers of pleasure that are at Gods right hand for evermore And as for that soul that is found doing good its most fully cloathed upon vvith its glorious House from above and its joy and rest in God vvhen it 's uncloathed of its house of Clay or earthly body vvherein it dvvelt in bondage to and vvas once groaning under the bondage of its ovvn corruption Query 12. What is that City that hath no need of the light of the Sun nor the Moon to shine in it c. And where is its s●●tuation