which my Lord Mayor sayes that he the Earl of Strafford should say to His Majesty Sir there will be no good done with the Citizens of London till you have hanged some of them up which at first he said was to his best remembrance and upon recollection he says directly and absolutely for my Lord said he must not make it weaker against himself than it is and he wishes that rule might be kept on both sides which is to repeat the Evidence to their Lordships clearly and plainly as it is which duty he said he had Religiously observed since the beginning of the Cause and will perform to the last not misrecyting any thing for his advantage or disadvantage This being howsoever his comfort and joy that their Lordships are so wise as not to hearken to what is repeated of the Evidence but to the Evidence it self as it is plainly and clearly represented and that will not deceive them and therefore my Lord said to the best of his remembrance and the Witnesses said no more at the first he spake them not but he thinks they were spoken in so good company before their Lordships of the Council-Board that it cannot but be remembred by some of their Lordships if the words had been spoken and by His Majesty to whom it is said they were directed But being an equal Testimony however in this condition and misfortune and affliction it may be between this Gentleman and himself he thinks that before these troubles befell him he was as equally to be believed as the other and therefore all the difference is one sayes it the other denies it My Lord added That he denyed it in his Answer and he denies it at the Bar and in truth to his best remembrance he never spake the words and it is a thing of no great moment being a hasty word and at the most very excusable especially to a free spoken man as he is and he smarts for it which hath further engaged him perhaps than wiser man would have been that hath much worse thoughts than ever he had but he hoped it will be pardoned and not amount to make good the Charge against him but that their Lordships Honor and Justice will excuse it rather than punish it and so his Lordship said he would say no more to it Mr. Maynard made Reply thereunto in substance as followeth The Committee shall need to to say little to this Answer of my Lord of Strafford for whereas he sayes nothing of High Treason is proved their Lordships will be pleased to remember how oft this hath been answered for if their Lordships will look back to what they have proved from the beginning They charge not this as a particular Treason but having charged him with a design to subvert the fundamental Laws it appears he threatened it That the Kings little finger should be heavier than the loins of the Law They have shewed what he did in Ireland how he did not only threaten but gave sentence of death on one for words how there he hanged another it appears what a Jurisdiction he erected against Law and wayes were taken to maintain them how Soldiers were forced on mens Houses against their Wills and what Insolency they committed and that must not be questioned when it is propounded When he comes into England their Lordships hear what Counsels he gives which compared with the Plots he laid there is reason to think that these words proceeding from my Lord of Strafford that men should be Fined and Ransomed Hanged up and laid by the Heels comes not out of suddain passion but rise from those Principles and Resolutions that were in him to do all things according to his Will and Pleasure against Law They beseech their Lordships these may not pass as hasty words when they appear to be suitable and conformable to Actions and Counsels preceding for many years and not yet laid down by him for ought can be discerned The singleness of the Testimony hath been often Objected and as often Answered but this is no single Testimony My Lord Treasure speaks of his Advice to go on vigorously with Ship-Money Others prove Fine and Ransome and Hanging up Threatened which have all concurred to the general Charge being several circumstances proved by several Witnesses But whereas my Lord thinks to excuse himself because there was a Judgement in the Exchequer-Chamber God be thanked it appears to be a Judgement against Law and my Lord of Strafford spake these words after the King offered to lay down the Ship-Money for it was after the Parliament But there was never any Judgement that a man might be hanged in such a case nor be Fined and Ransomed for not certifying in matter of Loan my Lord of Strafford knows as well as any man that it is against Law himself having had a great hand in the Petition of Right Mr. Glyn desired he might observe one thing that fell from my Lord of Strafford not at this time only but at several times That it is hard he should for words be questioned as High Treason being a word spoken and no ill effect of it their Lordships may be pleased to call to mind that for words spoken concerning Treading on his Toe he prosecuted so far as to life and yet they were spoken as accidentally as these and not of less consequence and nothing came of them and yet he procured a sentence of death against the Speaker but here he extenuates it and must not be charged with words And so the 25th Article was concluded THE Six and Twentieth Article The Charge 26. THat the said Earl by his wicked Counsels having brought His Majesty into excessive charge without any just cause he did in the month of July last for the support of the said great charges Counsel and approve two dangerous and wicked Projects viz. To seize upon the Bullion and the Money in the Mint And to imbase His Majesties Coyn with the mixtures of Brass And accordingly he procured One hundred and 30000 l. which was then in the Mint and belonging to divers Merchants Strangers and others to be seized on and stayed to His Majesties use And when divers Merchants of London owners of the said Bullion and Money came to his House to let him under stand the great mischief that course would produce here and in other parts and what prejudice it would be to the Kingdom by discrediting the Mint and hindring the importation of Bullion he the said Earl told them that the City of London dealt undutifully and unthankfully with His Majesty and that they were more ready to help the Rebels than to help His Majesty And that if any hurt came to them they may thank themselves and that it was the course of other Princes to make use of such Moneys to serve their occasions And when in the same month of July the Officers of His Majesties Mint came to him and gave him divers reasons against the imbasing the said
S r THOMAS WENTWORTH Kt. EARLE of STRAFFORDE Viscount Wentworth Baron Wentworth of Wentworth Woodhowse Newmarch Oversley Raby Ld. Lievtenant Generall and Generall Governor of the Kingdome of Ireland and Ld. President of y e Councill established in y e North parts of England L d Lievtenant of y e County City of York one of his Ma ty most hon ble Privy Councill and Knight of y e most Noble order of the Garter THE TRYAL OF Thomas Earl of Strafford Lord Lieutenant of IRELAND Upon an Impeachment of High Treason BY The COMMONS then Assembled in PARLIAMENT In the Name of THEMSELVES and of All the Commons in England Begun in Westminster-Hall the 22 th of March 1640. And Continued before Judgment was Given until the 10 th of May 1641. Shewing the Form of PARLIAMENTARY Proceedings In an IMPEACHMENT of TREASON To which is Added A short Account of some other MATTERS of FACT Transacted in Both Houses of PARLIAMENT Precedent Concomitant and Subsequent to the said TRYAL With some Special Arguments in LAW Relating to a BILL of ATTAINDER Faithfully Collected and Impartially Published Without Observation or Reflection By IOHN RUSHWORTH of Lincolnes-Inn Esq LONDON Printed for John Wright at the Crown on Ludgate-Hill and Richard Chiswell at the Rose and Crown in St. Pauls Church-Yard 1680. To the Right HONOURABLE GEORGE EARL OF HALIFAX One of His Majesties most Honourable PRIVY COUNCIL My LORD NO Man I believe understands better than your Lordship the Interest and Concern that Posterity hath in a true account of all matters of moment that were transacted by their Ancestors and I know none in whose Devotion to the service of the King and Kingdom I could so confide as in your Lordships to Patronize this plain and full Relation of the proceedings in Parliament in the Case of the greatest Minister of State in his time I some times doubted that the Dedication of these Papers to your Lordship might be improper because of your Lordships Descent from the Sister of that great Personage whose unhappy Fate is here related But having well considered that Honor Truth and Justice have the Supreme Empire in your truly Noble Soul and that a full and clear Narrative of all the Matters of Fact that occurred in this great Affairs with the Intentions and Constructions of them as declared from the mouth of your Noble Ancestor himself is the fairest and justest way to represent him truly to future Ages I conceived it not unfit for your Lordship to favour this true Account of him which may protect his Name from the injuries both of Ignorance and Malice I ought not neither can I flatter your Lordship you are too well known to need any thing that can be said by me of your Worth and true Nobleness and the Character of this your Ancestor is best to be collected from the following Papers His Letters published by me in the Second Part of my Historical Collections and his Behaviour in this solemn Tryal here published discovers the greatness of his Parts the quickness of his Apprehension the excellence of his Wit and Eloquence the contempt he had of Death and the serene Composure of his mind in that Part of his Life which falls within this History I should not have dared to present this Work to your Lordship so nearly related to this eminent Minister of State if I had not been a Witnesse to all the steps of the proceedings in this great Action and if I had not taken in Characters as well and truly all that was said for him as what his Accusers said against him and therefore I can with great assurance aver it to be a candid Representation of Matter of Fact which is all I pretend to publish to the World andas far as the exactest care could carry me I have done it so punctually true that I am hopeful there is none can have any just Exception to any part of it My Lord There is none alive can judge of a Work of this nature better than your self who as you are descended from a Race of Statesmen being Nephew and Grandson to the Two chief Ministers of the last age this Great Earl and the Wise and Fortunate Lord Keeper Coventry so are you lookt on by all as a Person born for the Service of the KING and the publique good of your Countrey And as I have always had a constant Experience of your Goodness and Indulgence to my self so I humbly hope your Lordship will favourably construe my intentions in this Dedication and accept of it as a tribute of Duty and Acknowledgement humbly offered by May it please your Lordship Your Lordships most Humble Most Faithful and Most obliged Servant JO. RUSHWORTH March 25. 1680. THE PREFACE I Cannot think that there wants an Apology for publishing the ensuing Papers although the Press seems over-charged The Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford was and is some way or other the Concern of every Man of England and the Commissioners of Scotland and Ireland thought those Kingdoms also Sufferers by his Deportment and joyned in the Prosecution against him All the Commons of England by their Deputies in Parliament were his Accusers and the Impeachment against him was in their Names The Matter of his Charge had Reference to every English Man and all their Posterities He was accused of designing to destroy the security of every of their Estates Liberties and Lifes and to reduce them all to be subject to meer Will and Pleasure It may therefore be said in the Maxim of our Government not much varying the sense Quod Omnes tangit ab omnibus tractari debet Every man ought doubtless to know his own Case to understand whether that Great Man was justly accused of such a hainous Crime and whether the Kingdom escaped such a fatal blow as was then alledged by his exemplary Fall under the Iudgement of the King and Parliament For this purpose I expose to the common view the whole Proceedings of his Trial being the most solemn deliberate and every way the greatest Tryal whereof we have any Account in our English Story The Preparations for his Tryal were made with an unusual solemnity and were the Results of the Prudence of many selected Lords and Commons as a Committee of both Houses The usual places for Administring Iustice and Tryals of Offenders were thought too mean upon so great an occasion and therefore Scaffolds were erected in Westminster-Hall fit to receive so great an Assembly as were to attend his Trial. His Majesty had a Closet provided for him the Queen and Prince near the place where the House of Peers sate and was every day at the Tryal of the said Earl and might hear what was said and see what Witnesses were produced and take a full view of the greatness of the Assembly and yet remain privately in His Closet unseen Seats were prepared for the Lord High Steward and all the House of Lords who sate as his Iudges Woolsacks
time or no. The Lord High Steward answered that their Lordships Commandment is to let his Lordship know That if the House of Commons proceed not by their Members to manage the Evidence this day then what his Lordship hath to say to this House may be put off to another time And so their Lordships Adjourned to the House above by which is meant the House where the Lords use to sit in Parliament and appointed the next morning to proceed in this business The Second day Tuesday March 23. 1640 THeir Lordships being set the Lord Steward recited in brief the proceedings of the day before adding that naturally and properly it belongs in the next place for those whom the House of Commons have deputed to manage their Evidence in pursuance of the Articles of Impeachment to begin the work of the day Then Mr. Pym one of the Committee appointed for the management of the Evidence began as followeth My Lords We stand here by the Commandment of the Knights Citizens and Burgesses now assembled for the Commons in Parliament And we are ready to make good that Impeachment whereby Thomas Earl of Strafford stands charged in their Name and in the Name of all the Commons of England with High Treason This My Lords is a Great Cause and we might sink under the weight of it and be astonished with the Lustre of this Noble Assembly if there were not in the Cause strength and vigour to support it self and to encourage us It is the Cause of the King it concerns His Majesty in the Honour of His Government in the Safety of His Person in the Stability of His Crown It is the Cause of the Kingdom It concerns not only the Peace and Prosperity but even the Being of the Kingdom We have that piercing Eloquence the Cries and Groans and Tears and Prayers of all the Subjects assisting us We have the three Kingdoms England and Scotland and Ireland in Travail and Agitation with us bowing themselves like the Hindes spoken of in Iob to cast out their Sorrows Truth and Goodness My Lords they are the Beauty of the Soul they are the Perfection of all created Natures they are the Image and Character of God upon the Creatures This Beauty Evil Spirits and Evil Men have lost but yet there are none so wicked but they desire to march under the shew and shadow of it though they hate the reality of it This unhappy Earl now the Object of your Lordships Justice hath taken as much care hath used as much cunning to set a face and countenance of Honesty and Justice upon his Actions as he hath been negligent to observe the rules of Honesty in the Performance of all these Actions My Lords it is the greatest baseness of wickedness that it dares not look in his own Colours nor be seen in its natural Countenance But Virtue as it is amiable in all respects so the least is not this That it puts a Nobleness it puts a Bravery upon the Mind and lifts it above Hopes and Fears above Favour and Displeasure it makes it always uniform and constant to it self The Service Commanded me and my Colleagues here is to take off those Vizards of Truth and Uprightness which hath been sought to be put upon this Cause and to shew you his Actions and his Intentions in their own natural Blackness and Deformity My Lords He hath put on a Vizard of Truth in these words wherein he says That he should be in his Defence more careful to observe Truth than to gain Advantage to himself He says he would endure any thing rather than be saved by Falshoood It was a noble and brave Expression if it were really true My Lords He hath likewise put on the Vizard of Goodness on his Actions when he desires to recite his Services in a great many particulars as if they were Beneficial to the Common-wealth and State whereas we shall prove them Mischievous and Dangerous It is left upon me My Lords to take off these Vizards and Appearances of Truth and Goodness in that part of his Answer which is the Preamble And that I shall do with as much Faithfulness and Brevity as I can 1. The First thing My Lords that I shall observe in the Preamble is this That having recited all those great and honourable Offices which he hath done under His Majesty he is bold to affirm That he hath been careful and faithful in the Execution of them all My Lords If he might be his own Witness and his own Judge I doubt not but he would be Acquitted It is said in the Proverbs of the Adulterous Woman That she wipes her mouth and says she had done no Evil. Here is a wiping of the mouth here is a verbal expression of Honesty But My Lords the foulness and unjustness will never be wiped off neither from his Heart nor from his Actions I mean for the time past God may change him for the time to come That is the first thing I observe 2. My Lords In the second place out of his Apologetical Preamble I shall observe this He doth magnifie his own Endeavours in five particulars 1. That he hath Endeavoured the maintenance of Religion I may miss in words I shall not miss in sense 2. That he hath Endeavoured the Honour of the King 3. The Encrease of His Revenue 4. The Peace and Honour and Safety of the Kingdom 5. The Quiet and Peace of the People These are his five particulars and I shall give a short Answer to every one of them 1. For Religion My Lords we say and we shall prove that he hath been diligent indeed to favour Innovations to favour Superstitions to favour the Incroachments and Usurpations of the Clergy But for Religion it never received any advantage by him nay a great deal of hurt 2. For the Honour of the King My Lords We say it is the Honour of the King that He is the Father of His People that He is the Fountain of Justice and it cannot stand with His Honour and Justice to have His Government Stain'd and Polluted with Tyranny and Oppression 3. For the Increase of His Revenue It is true there may be some Addition of Sums but we say There is no Addition of Strength nor Wealth because in those parts where it hath been increased this Earl hath taken the greatest share himself And when he hath spoiled and ravined on the People he hath been content to yield up some part to the King that he might with more security enjoy the rest 4. For the Strength and Honour and Safety of the Kingdom My Lords In a time of Peace he hath let in upon us the Calamities of War Weakness Shame and Confusion 5. And for the Quiet of the Subjects He hath been an Incendiary he hath Armed us amongst our selves and made us weak and naked to all the World besides This is that I shall answer to the second Head of his Apology 3. The Third is
asked what was the sum and how long was it kept He answered The sum as I take it was 19000 l. on one Bond and 5000 l. on another and as I take it it was in the year 1638. Being asked again how long it was kept He answered It was paid lately within these three months Whence observe it was since the questioning of him in Parliament The Parliament proves a good Officer for the King there I shall reserve my self to give full satisfaction to this in its proper time it being part of my Charge But at present I desire Sir Adam Loftus may be ask'd the question Whether when I came into that Kingdom the constant Revenue fell not short of the constant Charge at least 20000 l. a year We except against Interlocutory discourses and having now concluded this part of the Charge we desire that if my Lord of Strafford would say any thing in answer to what hath been now said he might say it presently else we should be on great disadvantages My Lords I conceive the Proposition to be fair and it is that which I desire my memory being weak and not versed in these kinds of Proceedings I intended to have made it my humble suit for longer time to Answer to this days Proceedings but shall readily Answer every particular Article in order as they go along and shall obey and observe the Order proposed But as to these things which I did not expect as the Remonstrances and other Matters opened being not in this particular Charge I humbly crave Your Lordships leave and liberty to recollect my self and then I will give them the best Answer I can For to Answer them suddenly I confess I am not so well fitted as I trust I shall be And I desire leave to say in the presence of Almighty God That I shall desire to be delivered from the Afflictions that God Almighty hath laid on me for my sins no other way than as in the Intention of my heart and Endeavour of my mind I have been most faithful and true to His Majesty and the Common-wealth and I well trust and hope that by the time all these things come to conclusion and have been fully heard I shall recover in great measure the favour and good Opinion of the Honourable House of Commons in which House I have spent a great part of my time And I doubt not but it is known to divers that sit here what my Carriage and Behaviour hath been there And I desire no more and I am sure it will be granted they are so just and good but that they will reserve towards me an Opinion of Charity that I give such an Account as may preserve me to be the same in their Opinion that I was formerly I was never yet Impeached in my private Conversation of untruth and hope they will think of me charitably till they have heard the whole business and I doubt not but I shall take off in great part their hard Opinion and procure to my self their Compassion and Favour and that I shall go in peace and quietness to my Grave leaving all publick Employments whatsoever And I humbly beseech the House of Commons to incline a gracious Opinion to me so far forth that I am the same man in Opinion that I was when I was one of them and I doubt not but this out of their Nobleness and Goodness they will afford me But for these particulars I humbly crave that with Your Lordships good leave I may have a little time with my self to consider them because they be new and for the rest I shall obey Your Lordships Order and give them thanks No Exception is taken but to what is affirmed in his own Answer and the Commons will think it another mans Answer and not his own if he be not ready to make good the Truth of it These things should not be new for every man should be ready to maintain his own Assertions I am My Lords in an unknown way being not versed in these things if I might have had the Assistance of Council it would have been a great ease to me but it is not possible for me to recollect all which the Worthy Gentleman hath said so materially and with so much weight Matters of Fact I could answer to Article by Article but to answer presently so great and tedious a discourse so well delivered and so weighty I profess I am not able my Memory being not able to carry it But if Your Lordships would please out of Your Nobleness and Goodness to give me Respite to recollect my self to these things that be Generalities I should be able to give a good Accompt thereof protesting seriously That I think every part of the Preamble to be very Just and True and I hope under favour to make it appear so when I shall shew those things which have not yet been so fully informed and known as I trust they may be hereafter My Lords We humbly desire that since my Lord of Strafford is not ready to give Satisfaction to what hath been disproved in his Answer we may proceed to that which he is ready to give Answer and Satisfaction to and that my Lord of Strafford might understand That if he Answers not now what hath been said concerning the Preamble he must have no time to Answer it hereafter I Appeal to Your Lordships and I renew my Request That I may for these have time to recollect my Thoughts till next day If it may not be granted I beseech Your Lordships to bear with many of my Infirmities being very great both in Body and Mind and to consider That my sad Condition doth some way plead for a little Compassion and Favour I being in a way I was never in before and having not the great Parts that others have Yet rather than I should be thought to Abuse Your Lordships with Untruths I will do the best I can to maintain my Answer presently being confident through the Blessing of Almighty God that though the particulars thereof are delivered with a great deal of Weakness and Disadvantage yet Your Lordships shall find them Truths my own Heart I protest before God telling me so and hope that God will give me Help and Assistance to make it appear so And other than that I desire not to be for if I were the man I am represented I were not worthy to live I confess the Honourable House of Commons have proceeded against me with all Reason and Justice that can be being informed as they were they could do no less if they had done less they had not performed their Trust with that fulness they should and therefore I find no fault with them But I beg leave to express a Truth as well as God shall enable me hoping it will appear that all I have said is true as all is true to my knowledge And I know it is in the Heart of
every man that hears me That I should have time to clear a Truth no man can deny it And therefore I humbly pray I may not be suddenly taken protesting seriously I have said nothing but what I knew or verily believed to be true We pray Your Lordships Resolution in this point before we proceed any further Their Lordships thereupon Adjourned to the Upper-House and about half an hour after returned I am commanded to impart their Lordships Resolution That since the Commons do not press these things as matters of Crime but rather upon the matter of Truth they conceive my Lord of Strafford need not further time for these particulars And that if his Lordship will make any Answer to these particulars he is to do it now I shall never do other than readily obey whatsoever Your Lordships should please to command me my heart paying you Obedience and so in truth shall every thing that proceeds from me The question I observe is matter of Truth or not Truth in the Preamble as they call it of this my Answer and to that with all the Humility and Modesty in the World I will apply my self as not conceiving it any way becoming me to speak any thing of Sharpness in any kind but with all Humility and Reverence to bear all these Afflictions with acknowledgment unto Almighty God and to lay them so to my heart that they may provide for me in another World where we are to expect the Consummation of all Blessedness and Happiness And therefore to lay aside all these Aggravations by words wherewith I have been set forth to Your Lordships only with this that I trust I shall make my self appear a person otherwise in my Dispositions and Actions than I have been rendred and shortly and briefly I shall fall upon the very points as near as I can that were mentioned by that Noble Gentleman and if I should forget any I desire to be remembred of them that I may give the best Answer I can on a suddain with this Protestation That if I had had time I should have given a far clearer Answer than on the sudden I shall be able to do I will take them as they lye in Order And the first thing in this Answer is That in Ireland by my means many good Laws were made for increase of the Kings Revenue and for good of the Church and Common-wealth and this I humbly conceive was not denied directly only it was inferr'd That Laws were of no use where Will was put above Law That these Laws were made the Acts of Parliament that are extant and visible things do make appear For though I might express it darkly by reason I understood not matters of Law the truth of it is before such time as I came there the Statutes of Wills and Uses and Fraudulent Conveyances were not of force in Ireland by which there was a very great mischief that fell many ways both on the King and specially on the English Planters For by want of these Statutes no man knew when he had a good title and old Entayles would be set on foot and by that means the later Purchaser avoided by which means there was a great loss and prejudice to the King in his Wards which by these Laws are setled and the Laws of Ireland brought much nearer the Laws of England than before And in this point I conceive I am not absolutely gainsayed but only conditionally that is that notwithstanding this I have set up another Government Arbitrary and Tyrannical To which I shall not now trouble Your Lordships with an Answer that being in the particulars of my Charge And thus I think the first to be fairly and clearly Answered Then that there were more Parliaments in the time of my Government than in 50 years before There were two in my time and if I might call Witnesses it would appear that there were not so many within that time before but being not material to my Defence or Condemnation I will not trouble Your Lordships with proof unless you will require it I having them here that I think can make it good And whereas in my Answer I deny that I ever had hand in any Project or Monopoly and that I did prevent divers that otherwise would have passed I said that under favour with all duty and confidence I must still affirm it That I never had hand or share in any manner of Monopoly or Project whatsoever unless the Tobacco-business were a Monopoly which under favour I shall clear not to be but that being part of my Charge I think it impertinent now to give Answer unto it but will satisfie Your Lordships in that behalf in proper time and place But more than that of Tobacco I say absolutely and directly I never had my hand or share in any Monopoly or Project nay I did as murh as I could Oppose all of them particularly the Monopoly of Iron-Pots for which I reserve my self to Answer as part of my Charge And a new Book of Rates whereby it was proposed That the Rates of the Kings Customs might be increased And this I did Oppose and Disavow albeit I was a sharer in the Farm and consequently should have had the Benefit and Advantage of it for my proportion and by the Kings gracious Goodness when His Majesty came to be more fully and clearly informed of it it was stopped and never went on And this I will make appear in that point of the Articles that concern the Customs The Fourth is That I have not had any greater Power or larger Commission than my Predecessors in that Government have had which I conceive under favour is not controverted but granted and therefore stands good to me or if it were controverted I am able to make it appear that I have brought in nothing more than was formerly accustomed in the point of the Deputies-Commission The next thing in my Answer is That the Revenue of Ireland was never able to Support it self before my coming thither and that I say still with all Humility and Duty is most true And I trust to make it apparently true presently if Your Lordships will give me leave to call for and examine my Witnesses It being the Proofs Your Lordships will look to and not to what was only alledged by that Worthy Gentleman And further than Your Lordships shall find proved I desire not to be believed The proof offered against me is by Sir Edward Warder and Sir Robert Pye who testified That from the year 1621. nothing went out of the Kings Exchequer to supply the Irish Affairs saving only for the Maritime occasions And this I believe to be true for they be Gentlemen of Credit that speak it and I will believe them on their Words much more on their Oathes But under favour there was for eight years together before my coming a Contribution of 20000 l. a year paid by the Country which was no part of the Kings
Durham being sent for on other occasions That he was at York in his Journey from Durham the first day of the Assizes and being at Dinner at Dr. Stanhopps there came a Gent. Sir Edward Stanhopp who called Dr. Stanhopp Uncle from the Assizes That the Doctor asked what news specially concerning my Lord Presidents Speech he told them that he prest hard to hear and could tell some passages of it Then they asked what they were says he My Lord President was speaking of this That the way of the Prerogative was in some particulars easier than the Common Law And in his expression he said these words The little Finger of the Common Law is heavier than the Loyns of the King This the said Sir Edward Stanhopp told him in the presence of divers others who he thinks do remember the words were so related and that he had related them often since and never took it otherwise till he saw it in the Charge and there it was clear otherwise And upon further question at my Lord of Straffords motion He Answered That he never acquainted my Lord of Strafford that he could say any thing in this till Sunday night and then talking with Sir William Pennyman he told Sir William the story My Lord of Strafford desired Sir William Pennyman might be heard and humbly acknowledged the Favour that had been done him by the House of Commons in giving liberty unto it upon his suit Sir William Pennyman being asked whether he was present at the time when my Lord of Strafford spoke the words of comparison between the Kings little Finger and the Loyns of the Law what was spoke and what was the occasion He Answered That he was present at the Assizes at York at that time and heard my Lord speak these words in another order and position than is testified by these three Witnesses And in truth he said he could wish he spake now on his Oath for he knew he spake on much disadvantage The occcasion was this A Rumour was cast up and down in the Country That my Lord of Strafford had received great sums of money concerning Knighthood which he had detained in his own hands and not paid into the Exchequer Hearing of this his Lordship thought himself much wronged in it and took occasion to vindicate himself and there spoke of it and told them to the best of his remembrance there was some omission on the Secretaries part or some of the Officers of the Exchequer Hereupon my Lord took occasion to discourse of the Legality of Knighthood-money and told them Gentlemen you may see this is a Commission of Grace and Favour for whereas you may compound with the King for a matter of 20 or 30 l. you have in two or three Terms run into great sums He added That he did not remember the proportion but the Inference was So that you may see that the little Finger of the Law is heavier than the Loyns of the King One of the Managers desired he might be asked by what means this was brought into his memory and how long since He Answered He had the retention of it in his memory before but it was revived on occasion of these Articles when they were exhibited It is enough and he did his Duty well that being a Member of the House of Commons he never informed the House of it My Lords I desire my Answer may be read wherein the occasion and the words are directly set forth quite contrary to those in the Charge and I protest that I will take my Oath on it That it was so And my humble request is That no Witness I produce may be prejudiced for any Testimony he shall give here being with the Liberty and Allowance of both Houses For if they should be discountenanced nay punished for it I should think my self a very unhappy man indeed and rather than I should prejudice any man in that kind I profess I would put my self on Gods mercy and goodness and not make use of any Member of either House and my principal Witnesses must be of both Houses rather than acquit my self by their prejudice for I accompt it an unjust thing to overthrow another to save my self The Testimony of a Member of the House hath great credit in the House and they take not the least exception against Sir William Pennyman for any thing he said before their Lordships but wish he may speak with clearness and truth but had he informed this particular himself to the House he had done my Lord of Strafford more right than by not informing to let it come in Charge and bring in his Testimony contrary to his Vote When a Witness hears a thing in question though it be not required of him certainly he should vindicate the Reputation of his Friend in contradicting it in season but it is not so done and certainly his silence to the House was not well My Lords This concerns me nearly This Gentleman Sir William Pennyman is my Noble Friend and a Worthy Gentleman and I would give him my Life on any occasion but I know him to be a Person so full of Virtue and Nobleness that he would not speak an untruth for all the world perhaps he might not think fit to speak it in the House men are left at their liberty The Charge came out in Print very lately and whether Sir William Pennyman might know any thing of it I leave it to those that better understand it But with this humble Request to the noble and worthy Gentlemen of the Commons House That they would please to regard it so that no man may suffer by me I protest I had rather suffer ten thousand times my self The business concerns the House of Commons the Committee knows not how they will apprehend it But it is only offered That the Judgment of the House of Commons may not be prejudiced The Lord Steward concluded this matter That his Lorship is put upon the Trial of his Peers who will give him all fair Respect That his Lordship shall be denied no just way for his clearing that he could say nothing in the Name of the Lords to this particular that 's come out on the present nor these Gentlemen in the name of the Commons only he may be sure to find all that is fit which my Lord of Strafford said he doubted not and hoped their Lordship would pardon him for moving it it concerning him very much As to the mistake in point of time the Commons laying it to be after the Commission 21. March 8 Reg. and prove it to be before the time is not at all material The offence is not that he spake it on that day but that he spake the words The Exception to Sir Thomas Leyton's Testimony that he had need to have better Ears he is a Gentleman of worth his Deposition is an Oath and he knew best what he heard the truth is
who lived in those famous times and spent their blood in Obedience to their Soveraigns Command So that by these words candidly and rightly taken no manner of ill could come being spoken not with any sharpness or upbraiding but meerly to let them see That being in that Condition they were infinitely bound to the Kings of England who were pleased to communicate to them the Laws of their own Kingdom And so far were they from being taken ill that no man at that time took offence at them For the words The King might do with them what he pleased let them relate to the Conquest and there is no offence in them for the Conqueror might give them what Laws he pleased and yet nevertheless hath been so gracious and good as to give them the Laws of his own People Give me that understanding of the words and then where is the Crime how can it be brought in Judgment against me in it self or be aggravated to High Treason I acknowledge I did speak to the Recorder of Dublin yet some things I am put in mind of which I am forced to deny with a great asseveration That I do not remember the words nay I am sure I never spake them let all the world and a cloud of Witnesses say the contrary when I know in my own heart I did not speak them though I offer not this to Your Lordships to convince your Judgments And on the other side there is nothing that is true but I will acknowledge it with all Ingenuity in the world on the Testimony of any one single Witness I desire that Mr. Slingsby his Servant might be asked whether he was not present when I spake these words and whether then any offence was taken at me in respect of the high manner of my speaking or whether they were not rather extreamly well satisfied Now if Your Lordships take words in pieces and not altogether any man living may be convinced but taking my words altogether though something might be thought harsh yet something gave abundant satisfaction I am upon a mighty prejudice in being denied to have my Witnesses examined upon Oath in these things that are not Treason But they be persons of good credit and I trust your Lordships will believe them as much as if they spake on Oath since I think none of them would say a word to your Lordships which they would not swear Mr. Slingsby being asked Whether he was present when my Lord of Strafford spake to the Recorder of Dublin what he said and what acceptance it received He Answered He was then present being on the occasion of presenting Sir Robert Dixton the Mayor of Dublin that he cannot remember the particular words nor deliver them to their Lordships as they were spoken by the Lord-Lieutenant But he remembers particularly the scope of the Discourse was to ingratiate His Majesties present Government to them That the words were well accepted by several persons whom he spake with and took that Effect that his Lordship was thereupon invited to the Mayors House where divers of the City Congratulated his coming to them I shall now proceed to the second part of the words That their Charters were nothing worth and they bind the King no farther than he pleases and I conceive I may say so still If their Charters be nothing worth they do not bind the King but he may do with them what he pleases In that I desire your Lordships to call to mind what my Lord of Corke said That Ireland was a Conquer'd Nation and the King might give them what Laws he pleased and that the Charters were Antiquated and no farther good than it pleased His Majesty to make them It is likely I confess I might say so and yet not say amiss for it is most evident and clear their Charters are void in point of Law and therefore it is in the King 's good will and pleasure Whether he will make them good or no. And that they were void the King's Council informed me so that they were questioned at Council-Board upon it for divers unlawful Exactions they took under colour of Charters for divers by-Laws that they had made against Law by those Charters for divers neglects of Duties that they ought to do by those Charters and generally for not performing the trust reposed in them by those Charters with that Integrity and Care they ought to do And for the truth of it that many Complaints were made against the Mayor and Aldermen at that Board for neglecting their Duty I dare Appeal to my Lord of Corke I adding this That the greatest part of the Aldermen were Recusants and would never be brought to obey the Order of the Board but stood on their Charters and would be Masters and by that means great Disorders continued And to prove that upon Examination they appeared to be void in Law I desire Sir George Ratcliffe may be admitted to speak on what Grounds those Charters were called in and are now as I think deposited with the Clerk of the Council Sir George Ratcliffe standing charged with High Treason by the Commons of England before your Lordships and of a Conspiracy with my Lord of Strafford and whether it be fit to hear one charged with High-Treason to clear another so charged we Appeal to your Lordships That Sir George Ratcliffe is charged to be a Conspirator with me indeed and in truth I must confess Sir George Ratcliffe and my self under favour are equally guilty of Treason and I hope we shall both justifie our selves but I know so much of him that I am not ashamed to say That I think that Sir George Ratcliffe is my Friend and I wish him well and so I think will all other men I trust in God when they hear him But I conceive Sir George Ratcliffe might be heard in these Points if he be examined as a Witness against me I desire he may be examined as a Witness for me Sir George Ratcliffe is not examined nor at all sworn in the Cause on our Motion and admitted that if they produced him as a Witness they would not deny my Lord of Strafford to cross examine him The Lord Steward declared the sense of their Lordships That Sir George Ratcliffe could not be examined I shall readily obey but yet observe That if it were only matter of Misdemeanor he might be examined though charged But this is my unhappiness to be debarred of my Witnesses because I am charged with Treason in general though there be nothing in particular that 's near the complexion of Treason We desire to observe that this justifies a part of our Charge for the Charter of the Subjects Liberties are as his Lordship confesseth brought to the Council Table and judged there and not to the proper Courts where they ought to be judged the Council-Table having no Power to declare the Validity or Invalidity of Charters from the King to the Subject
pretence that he is impeached of Treason But they profess and he believeth them That when Sir George Ratcliffe came out of Ireland they had received in Money 80000 l. and they had layed forth in Rent buying Tobacco Stock and Charges 86000 l. so that they had not in their Money by 60000 l. And Sir George Ratcliffe who is now in Town and though his misfortunes are heavy and sad enough yet is known to be a person of Honesty and Worth he dares say will take his oath on it and they that know him know he would not take a false oath to gain all the world That there be indeed some debts which are not gathered and some collected and paid into the Exchequer and this he said is to the value of the bargain and where he hears the Gentleman say the Customs have been worth to him and his Partners 300000 l. Surely the Informations have been much mistaken from them that gave the notice out of Ireland for it is to be understood that whatsoever the Profits are the Kings Rent must be taken out which is 15500 l. of the rest the King hath â… parts and himself but ¼ part so that on the matter he thinks they have been worth to him 4 or 5 or 6000 l. a year better than the Rent though the value is not considerable in his Charge against him of Treason That their Lordships might see the Reasons why he could not prepare a particular Account of these things His Majesty had had a particular Account had not the Ministers been so dealt withal laid in prison and abused If you will speak of a tyrannical and arbitrary way of Government The Commons expressing some distaste at this Egression my Lord of Strafford saith he complains of Ireland not of things here and desires leave to read two Orders of the Commons House who have seized on all given order for sale of them taken the Contractors imployed and imprisoned them and he thereby rendred altogether unable to clear things as otherwise he might have done and these things they do he knows not how but to his undoing indeed Mr. Maynard did here interpose and desire to know to what purpose he would have them read and whereas he speaks of a Tyrannical usage he desires to know whom he presses whether the House of Commons there or here And Mr. Whitlock added That my Lord of Strafford in his defence of the last Article let fall some things that were an Aspersion on the whole state of Ireland the Lords and Commons there Assembled for he said Their Lordships might perceive the truth of the Remonstrance presented from thence on a former occasion and now he speaks of a Tyrannical Government on his making of Orders which himself mentions to be made by the House of Commons in Ireland And therefore their Lordships were desired to vindicate the Honor of the Kingdom of Ireland which suffers by those aspersions Sir Iohn Clotworthy further insisted on it That their Lordships are witnesses of the many Commendations my Lord of Strafford hath formerly issued concerning the people of Ireland as long as they were subservient to his Courses and could not find a way to extricate themselves from his Lord ships yoke they were cryed up to be numbred amongst the best of His Majesties Subjects Now when they are seeking to vindicate and relieve themselves from his heavy yoke they must be called a people he knows not how bad and therefore beseeches their Lordships that they may be set right in their Lordships opinions The reading of the Order being opposed by the Committee as tending nothing to the Cause Mr. Maynard alleadging that my Lord would have them ready to give their Lordships satisfaction why they should not be read for he imports they be tyrannical and something he would deduce out of them to the aspersion of others Whence my Lord of Strafford added only on the execution of them And Mr. Maynard replyed prove them on the Execution they were at last permitted to be read One dated 27 Feb. 1640. importing THat whereas great sums of Money have been raised by Customs above the Rent and my Lord of Strafford and Sir George Ratcliff are impeached of High Treason therefore it is Ordered That all persons that have Money of His Majesties in their hands concerning the Monopolies shall forthwith bring the same into his Highness Receipt and the Commissioners appointed to oversee the Ports shall bring in their Letters Patents to be considered of and because the Customs of Dublin amount to â… of Ireland and the now Collector is not responsible for his great charge if he should miscarry therefore Sir Edw. Bagshaw Kt. now Customer and Collector shall collect all the Customes and pay the same into the Receipt That the Magazine-keeper of Tobacco shall forthwith return a true List of all Tobacco remaining in his hands and what was sold since Michaelmas 1637. and to what account and what Moneys are received and to whom the same is paid and what Money Bonds Bills and other Debts remain unpaid of the Premisses and in whose hands they be And that all Customers and Officers in the Ports and Creeks do deliver into this House within two moneths a true List of all such seizures of Money Tobacco and other Commodities that they or any of them have made or compounded for or what remains in their hands and likewise all forfeited Bonds for Goods transported into England c. and of all Fees they have received and their Warrants and a Note of all such persons as receive Fees and are no Officers and what Fees c. for seven years last past The Second Order was dated 3 Mar. 1640. importing in effect That FOrasmuch as much Tobacco lies in the Magazines which is perished It is Ordered that certain persons in the Order named shall make sale thereof to the best advantage and the Contractors are required to make weekly Accounts of all the Moneys they shall receive or which shall accrue out of the Tobacco by them sold and deliver the Money to certain persons therein named or any two of them who are required to take the burden on them and receive the Account weekly due c. and to be answerable to His Majesty c. My Lord of Strafford observed that these he shewed to justifie that he could not give particular satisfaction those imployed being in prison And further that in the whole proceeding of this he had done nothing but what 's warrantable and howsoever it proves a good or a bad bargain that 's not in question for he never knew the goodness of a Bargain could make a Treason If every one that makes a bad bargain with the King should be a Traitor it were hard but at that time none would be a partner with them among them all that say it was so great a bargain That in fine the worst of this can but be that it is a Monopolie a sole buying and selling of
many starved it must be occasioned by some other means than this That his Looms should be an occasion of starving so many men he conceives very strange for in truth the value of Cloth made in those Looms in a year which he left his Tenants to manage was not as he remembers above 16 or 1700 l. and if their Lordships consider the value of the Yarn with the Labour they would wonder the making of such a quantity in a year should starve so many thousands It is very true he said he 's sorry for that Remonstrance read of the Commons House in Ireland thinking he had merited a better opinion in that Kingdom but howsoever they have been informed he doubts not but when things are shewed them more clearly than they have been hitherto he shall have their good opinion still he never in truth doing or saying any thing in all his life but with very clear and faithful intentions to the good and prosperity of that Common-wealth and Kingdom his Lordship added That he had some little fortune amongst them not great indeed nothing near that which is reported hardly the fifth part but something he had there honestly and justly come by and for that reason he had cause to wish well to the Kingdom and it grieved him extreamly to hear such a Remonstrance read there would be a time he hoped when he should have means to give them better satisfaction but it is but a charge and cannot under favour be the proof of a Charge being only received by information of witnesses and no Oath being given by the Commons-House he conceived it could not be made a proof against him but the truth of the Charge comes to be examined for the Remonstrance says that these things will be proved by 20000. To which he can say nothing but that he is infinitely sorry he should be so mistaken in that Kingdom where to his best understanding his Conscience tells him he hath deserved very well with modesty be it spoken his Lordship added of them all and desired to do Justice amongst them and there would come a time when he should be better understood as well there as here he hoped For the testimony of Mr. Fitzgarret he speaks nothing of knowledge but what he hath been informed and heard and what hath been credibly reported to him and those are no proofs to be judicially taken as he conceived nothing being by Mr. Fitzgarret spoken but by report and their Lordships have heard this reported as well as he yet knew not whether it be true further than is proved So he concluded where he began something may look like an oppression in them that did execute it but nothing as to himself and the rest of the Counsel who issued the Proclamation on just and warrantable grounds and according to that power they had from the King which he conceived was a full and clear acquittal of him humbly submitting to their Lordships better Judgements of this Article so far forth as it amounts in any kind to convince him of High Treason To which Mr. Maynard made reply in substance as followeth And first he observed That my Lord of Strafford was still striking on the same string here said he is no Treason though something tending to oppression and so at this rate he can never want an answer for if this be not in this particular as high and wilful an overthrow of the fundamental Rules and Justice of the Kingdom as can be imagined I appeal to your Lordships and that is it wherewith he is charged not as if this singly would amount to Treason And Whereas his Lordship says his intention was good if when an oppression of High Justice is committed it be enough to say he had a good intention it is a good defence to take away mens Goods and apply them to his own use and so this being practis'd by him universally on a whole Kingdom may be excused by a good intention But God knows the heart your Lordships are Judges of his actions and oppressions He says the Proclamation was a Temporary Law to take away Goods break open Houses forbid and annihilate Contracts this he says in the face of the Kingdom so that there cannot be better evidence given against him than comes from his own mouth for that which is put upon him is That he would erect a Government that depends meerly upon Will and take away that which is obliged to Laws To say a Proclamation is a Temporary Law is to make a Law as long as it pleases them that award the Proclamation to continue for when shall it have an end but by the pleasure of them that send it forth He would excuse himself that he hath gone in good company Did the Commons insist on this as a single misdemeanor my Lord might say he is not the only man that deserves punishment but he cannot say but that he is the Principal man and indeed and in effect the sole man as it will appear in the answer to the rest They are too blame that follow his misguidance but he is not innocent that draws others into such actions with him Mr. Maynard observed the nature of the Proclamation it was not to appoint a regulation but to take away the Subjects Goods neither giving them time to vend the Commodities in their hands nor to depart from that if it were an ill usage but forthwith as soon as the Proclamation was out the Goods must be seized because they did not doe the things they could not doe He saith the Execution is nothing to himself but to his Agents Surely he that will command unjust and evil things is not a whit less guilty because he hath Ministers that will apply themselves to his pleasure to execute unlawful Commands He commands they execute it and when they had executed it they bring it to his Looms that is to his profit He says it was recalled after two years or thereabouts but your Lordships may remember on what misfortune and cruelty it was recalled the tumults the stirs the oppressions it did produce and his recalling it after two years makes him not innocent before when 1000 or 2000 or 3000 had perished by the oppression of it he was not innocent because 10000 or 12000 did not perish it was too long kept on foot and he that doth unlawful things in so great a measure is not to be excused because he cannot bring them wholly to pass For that 's all can be said He could go no further and therefore he leaves it off He says his Warrant is not amiss but it is extreamly amiss for the Minister should advertise the State touching the Subjects Conformities but my Lord of Strafford will have them presently enter the House and seize the Goods the Proclamation puts them on it but the Warrants command Justices of Peace and all Ministers of Justice to come in and countenance this cruelty and when they did not conform to it
from this Statute he shall stand clear abroad and this cannot be brought as to this Case to convince him of Treason And his Lordship did recall one thing in the Lord Dillons testimony which he had formerly omitted That the Assessing of Soldiers was on men being in Rebellion for any unjustifyable Act. And so his Lordship conceived there remains no more for him to do at this time but to answer that objection That this proceeding of his was Treason by 25 Edw. 3. though he had thought Treason had been like Felony in this respect That there must be a felonious intent to make Felony and so to make Treason there must be a Treasonable intent And he said God knows he had no Treasonable intent in all this for if he had a mind to have raised War against the King and his People surely he should never have done it by laying two or three Soldiers on a private man and then taking them off again And is this that levying of War against the King and his People that is meant in the Irish Statute of 25 Edw. 3 The words of which Statute his Lordship read viz. If any man levy War against the King in His Realm or adhere to His enemies c. He appeals to their Lordships desiring them to lay it to themselves and tell him whether 2 or 3 poor Soldiers sent in this manner to bring in a man that will not be lyable to the Kings Justice could by any construction be brought to be a War levied against the King and his People which said he if it be an error he knew it was no Treason for he had thought it had been for the Honor and Authority and Justice of the King and not done as an enemy to him And therefore all laid together though he must needs say Men are dark towards themselves and towards their own Cases and less able to judge than in the Case of other men in truth under favour withall Humility and submission to their Lordships better judgements he cannot believe nor fear but for any thing proved this day against him as he is clear in his heart from all Treasons and treasonable Intentions towards the King and His People so he stands clear from Treason upon this Charge not only in respect of the Irish Statute but likewise the English Statute and he shall beseech their Lordships when it comes to its time they will give his Council leave to urge these things for him who he is sure will be able to do it with far greater reason and strength than himself it being out of his profession Here his Lordship took notice that there was another part of the Charge which he desired to speak to but Mr. Palmer said That was subsequent and not yet come to To which his Lordship Answered That he should do all things without offence only so long as he doth mannerly move any thing for his clearing he hopes he may do it And so the Defence was concluded And then Mr. Palmer replyed in Substance as followeth That their Lordships have heard a very long Defence made by my Lord of Strafford and that he would not apply himself to inforce any thing by circumstances but to represent the truth and to avoid those things offered by way of Answer for most part of that may be confessed and yet avoided Whereas my Lord of Strafford hath made the greatest part of his Defence in matter of Fact from Usage their Lordships may please to consider that there can be no legal Usage contrary to an Act of Parliament made before time of memory as 25 E. 3. in England and 18 H. 6. in Ireland much less can there be Usage for committing of Treason The Usage insisted on is First for Soldiers being Assest on Septs till Rebels and Traitors not apprehendible were brought in and by Rebels his Lordship would have understood not Rebels against the King and State but petit Offenders and Felons and for that did examine Witnesses But the Witnesse says That when such had committed Felony and withdrawn themselves into Woods a Proclamation went out to call them in and if then they came not in they were esteemed Rebels and Soldiers were laid on their Septs which is not to lay Soldiers on Subjects in time of Peace when they will not conform to his private Orders The Stat. 11 Eliz. describes what the laying Soldiers on the Sept was viz. When Outlaws and Rebels lye in the Woods and will not be apprehended with the ordinary Arm of Justic then five of the best of the Sept shall be Fined but not that Soldiers shall be laid on them And this being a Statute and lately made must needs give the Rise to this laying of Soldiers on the Septs by the Council-Board instead of a Fine so this is no justification or excuse it not bringing a full Answer home to the present Case nor is this of right to be justified The next Usage was concerning the Kings Rents which Mr. Conley only extends beyond the time of my Lord of Faulkland he speaks of it in the time of my Lord Grandison and Chichester yet it was no positive Testimony and he was an old man and his Evidence uncertain for those times Besides there was no account given of the certain reason whether by a legal Process or no For there might be due Process awarded and a Writ of Assistance to carry the power of the Countrey and so the thing be done by legal authority and therefore since it cannot be applyed to any rule it must be intended to be an illegal power if at all The rest were all for Rents in the time of my Lord of Faulkland The instructions were produced by my Lord of Strafford himself in time 1628. which was before my Lord of Faulkland went out of that Government And by these instructions there is an Agreement and it is taken to be for the benefit of the people that the Kings Rents should be levied by Soldiers so that for all the time of my Lord of Faulkland and the Justices since it was within the compass of the Instructions and reduced to the consent of the people and the words of the Statute are No Soldiers shall be Assest without consent but this remains charged to be by force and against consent That concerning the Contribution-money in which another Usage is alledged is set forth to be an agreement of the people That because it might not come into the Exchequer to be made a Precedent it should not be levyed by ordinary Process but by Soldiers if it were behind it being assigned for relief and pay of Soldiers and being by consent is out of the present case Sir Arthur Tyrringham speaks of this Use in case of a petit debt of 16 or 20 s. on a Warrant from my Lord Faulkland which is the only Case of Debt prooved but he could not tell whose or what debt it was nor how determined or judged If it were
but a Charge to call him to Accompt rather than to Condemn him or Judge him by For it is the Remonstrance of the Commons House that have not power to give an Oath and so may be easily misinformed when they want a Meanes to try out the Truth But for the Great Fees exacted for these Licences Here are two of his Secretaries imployed in this business whom his Lordship desired might be Examined What Fees they demanded and had in this particular He added That he durst say Thousands that went over without Licence were never question'd for it nor any but where there was Cause as in Case a Man was ill-affected and then he was looked after Mr. Slingsby being Asked about the Fees for Licences He Answered They did give the Clerks directions never to demand any Fees for Licences and that the Clerk never accompted to him for above Five shillings for any Licence which he said was voluntarily given not demanded Mr. Little being Asked to the matter of Fees He Answered That he Charged his servant still to demand no Fees for Licences except of Privy-Counsellors or Officers of the Army and when they had Licences they paid for them and the Fee of the Licence from the Captains was 20 Shillings the ordinary Fee for others Five shillings and many times none at all was paid And then my Lord of Strafford added That he had now gone over all the particular Proofes as near as he could remember them And the last he shall insist on is this That there is nothing in this Charge as he conceives of Treason and he must needs Conclude every Article so in regard Treason is the only thing he is Charged withal And he conceives he hath given such Answers to this that nothing shall convince him before their Lordships of Treason And for matter of Misdemeanors he knowes their Lordships will give him time to examine Witnesses and leave for his Counsel to be heard and then he shall Acquit himself as becomes him and so with all humility submit it to their Lordships And thus his Lordship concluded his Defence ARTICLE XVI REPLICATION Mr. Palmer Replyed thereunto in substance as followeth THat my Lord of Strafford in the Preamble of his Defence hath made a great Profession to their Lordships of his endeavour to preserve the Laws in Ireland and that no Deputy did ever less interrupt the Legal Proceedings Which though it be not the matter of the Cause he desired leave to put their Lordships in mind how much he hath interrupted the legal proceedings because it hath been another part of his Army That it hath been fully proved How he Assumed to himself out of the ordinary Jurisdiction Causes to be heard before himself on Paper Petitions which how grosly he hath determined their Lordships have heard And whether this be not an Interruption to legal proceedings he submitted to their Lordships and also left them to Judge how contrary it was to this Profession of my Lord of Strafford To the Matter of the Defence viz. That these Particulars were not complained of Mr. Palmer Answered It is true There is no particular Complaint in the Article but my Lord of Strafford in his Answer said He never deny'd Licenses to any man to go into England and that puts it in Is sue and gives occasion to prove his Denyal To the Reasons of his Propositions Mr. Palmer observed they were viz. Because he was responsible for the Justice of the place and therefore good reason his Integrity should be tried before any Complaints came The Officers and Ministers of Justice should not be drawn from thence on every Complaint where they might have redress at their own doors These are fair shows and something must be said to induce His Majesties Allowance and as much as Art and Skill could invent to prevent the Subjects access to their Sovereign with Complaints of Injustice and Oppression It must have a great deal of Wit and Art to colour it and so he uses it Their Lordships cannot expect it from him nor will their Lordships expect it in the Proofs that he should tell His Majesty he doth all this that they may not complain of Injustice and Oppression for this is a hard thing to be done But the thing it self showes for what end he obtained it his many Acts of Injustice prove Quo obtentu this Proposition was gotten If this had been gotten on the fair grounds pretended then upon Complaints here His Majesty in consideration of them had had it in his own power to have referred them back to Ireland if they were misinformed but meanes were used that they should not come to the King the Barr was laid with the Secretaries and Masters of Requests that His Majesty should by no means know as to consider of the fitness or unfitness of them For the Matter of the Judges and Ministers being withdrawn it is true they were most likely to be complained of but when they cannot be complained of but to my Lord of Strafford this draws a great Dependence on him and makes them amenable to his Will As in the Sentences wherein they concurred and whereby he would justifie himself Again the discouraging of Complaints in this Proposition and the Arguments used to His Majesty provided a Punishment for Clamorous Complaints so that they which had Cause of Complaint being terrified with a Punishment though they were not Clamorous might now be made appear to be so For the Authorities whereby he justifies this Proclamation First He insists on the Lawes of that Kingdom that by the Law they could not depart the Realm and that by an Implication 25 H. 6. But Mr. Palmer observed that that is no Prohibition of coming out of Ireland but if any Liege man c. shall by the Kings Command depart the Realm his Lands should not be seized and the only inference can be That if others went without License their Lands might be seized but not that their persons might be restrained from coming without Licence There were such Provisions and Ordinances in Ireland to which the Instructions following and His Majesties Letter had Reference That those persons that had great Possessions in Ireland in time of Discord were to be resident upon their Land Personally so that their Land might be maintained against Incursions And this is plain by a Statute 28 H. 8. Ca. 3 Reciting the Inconvenience from those they call Absentees That is that having large Possessions by Descent or Graunt did Demurre in England and left those possessions unsafeguarded and by this means the Lands which His Majesty had been at great Cost in Conquering were regained by the Irish and therefore there was a Penalty on those Lands and it is provided that the King shall be Entituled to the Duke of Norfolkes Land for that cause But here is only a Provision that the Lands should be safeguarded but not that the Subject should not resort to the Kings Majesty for
in due obedience they are bound and obliged to be So it was not Caeca obedientia Sir Iames sayes That he the Earl of Strafford did administer the Oath This one single Testimony but to tell their Lordships plainly the truth he confesses he did give that Oath being not only obliged by the Council but they directing him and that the Petition was not got forcibly from them it appears evidently for there is nothing against it Sir Iohn Clotworthy sayes That on this Oath administred great multitudes went away but he names not one of that multitude and if they did go who could help it If they would go away rather than give such a pledge of their Allegiance he should have been loth to have restrained them to make them stay against their Wills For the Instructions that went with the Commissions Sir Iohn Clotworthy very truly says they were under the hands of himself and all the Council but what these Instructions were he cannot expresly say and that under favour he conceives is no witness and so is no Charge on him But to express his rancor against the Scotish Nation next come the words proved by Richard Salmon the Schoolmaster and he swears positively and directly that he my Lord of Strafford spake these words the 10 th of October 1639. The plain truth is that he the Earl of Strafford was come into England in September before and if that man shall notwithstanding undertake positively to swear that individual day he is less to be credited The said time of his coming into England was confirmed by two Witnesses Mr. Thomas Little being upon my Lord of Straffords motion asked about the time of my Lord of Straffords coming from Ireland He Answered That my Lord Lieutenant came from Ireland Thursday 12 Sept. 1639. and landed the next day and came to London 21 Sept 1639. Mr. Ralton being examined to the same point Answered He very well remembred my Lord came to London 21 Sept. 1639. For the words themselves That the Scotch Nation are Rebels and Traitors and that he will root them out Root and Branch the Witness is a single Testimony their Lordships see how true he is in the first part of it and he is equally true in the second The other Testimony is one Iohn Loftus and he sayes my Lord of Strafford wanted terms to express the heinousness of that offence and he hoped to have such of the Scotch Nation as would not submit to the Ecclesiastical Government rooted out Stock and Branch from that Kingdom And this said my Lord is quite another thing and no way agreeing with the former but nearer the truth and far from rooting out the Scotch Nation for there are but few that submit not to the English Church-Government So there is left only one single Testimony of the Schoolmaster that hath not learned his Lesson perfectly but is taken tardy as if he were a Scholar and the other makes it quite another business And as they have offered these things and have not proved them by more than one single testimony and he a very infirm one He my Lord of Strafford besought their Lordships that he might call for a Witness or two that were there and heard all that passed Sir Philip Manwaring my Lord said was a Judge of the Court and nearer him than the Witness and likely to hear more distinctly Sir Philip being asked what the words were and of what nature they were whether they were not restrained to the Faction of the Covenanters and them that would not take the Oath in Ireland and not the Nation it self He Answered That he was present that day and sate within the Court and within hearing so that he heard every word that fell from my Lord Deputy it is true his Speech there was very long but he shall repeat no more of it than that he conceives pertinent to the present occasion that is Whether he should say these words Against the whole Nation or speak only to the Faction and properly and pertinently shun the word Nation It was on the occasion of Mr. Stuart who stood at the Bar with his Wife and Daughters and Gray My Lord telling him he was sorry that bearing the name he did he should be the only man that carried himself with that disobedience and my Lord expatiated very much and in conclusion said That Scotish Nation with respect I speak of it for I know there be among them gallant and worthy persons and I have great experience of them and of the Loyalty and Faith they bear to their Sovereign but there is a Faction amongst them which I shall endeavour as near as I can to bring to that obedience at least to keep them that are within this Kingdom to that Obedience Loyalty and Duty that Subjects ought to bear Being asked Whether my Lord did not express himself at that time that he would not take on him to judge any thing of the Action in Scotland not knowing the Law of that Kingdom but such of that Nation as are here in Ireland if they will not submit to the Government of Ireland he will do the best he can they shall not stay here He Answered That it is very true my Lord Deputy did at that time speak to that purpose as near as he can remember in truth viz. That he did not know the Laws nor Customs of that Kingdom therefore would say nothing to them but for so much as concern'd the Kingdom of Ireland and the keeping of the King's Subjects in Loyalty and Obedience there he would do his best to preserve that Being asked on Mr. Glyn's motion whether he heard these words Root and Branch or Stock and Branch He Answered In truth he did not Robert Lord Dillon being asked to the words spoken by my Lord of Strafford in the Castle-Chamber at the Sentence and how he expressed him-himself concerning the Nation of Scotland He Answered That he confesses it hath been his custom and it may be it is an ill one never to mind words spoken in the place unless he supposes he shall be called to account for them he remembers my Lord spake of the refusing of the Oath and of some rigor to them that should refuse it but for particular words he members not Sir Adam Loftus being asked what he heard of these words He Answered That he was at the Censure but truly he cannot burden his memory with any the words that tend to this question It was a great while agoe and he little thought they should come to any recapitulation of them and in truth he doth not remember them Being asked whether Stuarts Sentence was not given by the unanimous Vote of the whole Council He Answered Indeed he believes it was Sir Philip Manwaring being asked what he heard the Master of the Rolls say that day He Answered That coming from the Castle-Chamber waiting on my Lord Deputy to the Castle where many Dined and all that
to himself He apprehended there was some design as he feared in England and he had this reason for it too For in that condition they were then in they of the Council of Warr saw no possibility to make this Army in a readiness to invade Scotland within the time limited for by directions of my Lord of Strafford left with them they were to be ready at the Provincial Rendezvous by the 18 th of May and that by subsequent directions was forborn till 18 th Iune then they all met to march to the general Rendezvous The Arms Ammunition and Preparations could not be ready so soon nor were they in readiness till the end of Sept. following So that on the whole matter those amongst them that might be free their consultations all agreed that it might tend to the purposes here declared And from the time observed by my Lord Ranalaugh for the raising of the Army in Ireland Mr. Whitlock observed That it could not be intended for Scotland for no Army was raised in Scotland till some months after To prove the words spoken by the Lord of Strafford himself to shew his designe to bring the Army to England Sir Tho. German Comptroller of His Majesties Houshold being Interrogated whether he heard not the Earl of Strafford tell the King that the Parliament had denyed to supply him and had sorsaken him or words to that effect He Answered That he should humbly presume to crave one thing of their Lordships and it was briefly this There is nothing that he can be Interrogated upon in this Cause but it must fall within the cognizance and knowledge of many of my Lords here present who must needs remember all that he hath to say as well or perhaps better than he can himself His humble desire therefore to their Lordships is That if through distance of time and the weakness of his memory there be any thing that may be better remembred by some of their Lordships than is at this time by himself it may not be imputed to him as from a desire of concealing any part of the truth but a failor in memory and that their Lordships will believe of him that in this great Assembly he shall be very unwilling to speak any thing but that that shall perfectly occurr to his remembrance and that request granted he shall humbly answer to every thing And to the question he remembers very well that he was Interrogated upon the same terms heretofore that he is now His Answer was then as he takes it in these words That he remembred that he heard my Lord of Strafford say something of the Parliaments deserting or forsaking the King or something to that effect or purpose but he did not remember then what inference my Lord made upon it nor what he did conclude thereupon neither can he now call himself to further remembrance on that point than he then deposed The Earl of Bristol Sworn and Interrogated Whether he heard any words spoken by my Lord of Strafford That in this great distress of King and Kingdom the Parliament had refused to supply the King in the ordinary and usual way and that therefore the King might provide for the Kingdom by such ways as he thought fit and was not to suffer himself to be mastered by the frowardness and undutifulness of his people or to that effect He Answered That it is very true that about 12 months since by meer accident he had a private discourse with my Lord of Strafford and some months after had discourse with a Peer of this House my Lord Conway by name meerly to let him know the difference that was between some Tenants of my Lord of Straffords and himself the Earl of Bristol What use hath been made of it he doth not know But upon this he doth conceive he comes to be Interrogated It is almost Twelvemonths agoe since this discourse did happen yet afterwards he was called now a month or six weeks since and was examined on oath on several Interrogatories After he had well recollected himself he did set down for his memory what he could think of and out of those Notes and Papers he did then make his Answer Now his examination being upon oath he shall be very loath to depose particularly to words but to the effect of what passed And therefore he shall crave leave not out of his examinations but out of the words he then set down to read the effect of what he then spake for if a man be deprived of words and tell not the sense and coherence and subsequents he shall not do himself right but may do a great deal of wrong to the party accused and therefore though it be somewhat the longer he shall tell the circumstances It is true That after the disso lution of the last Parliament he had discourse accidentally with the Earl of Strafford but being many months since he cannot precisely depose unto the words that then passed But he remembers that speaking then together of the great distractions of those times Videlicet touching the present things that were then at Lambeth for it was just about that time of the Mutiny of some Soldiers against their Officers of the present great danger apprehended by the ensuing War as was feared of Scotland and of the said Parliament being broken without supplying the King he the Earl of Bristol did then in his discourse chiefly attribute these disorders to the breach of the Parliament And speaking what might be the best way for help in these distressed times he then conceived and said that he thought the best way to prevent any desperate undertakings would be to Summon a new Parliament that might quiet the times for the present The expectation thereof might quiet the Distempers at that time And as for the War of Scotland he did much fear the success of it unless the King should be assisted both with the Purse and Affections of his People And he Alleadging to my Lord of Strafford many Reasons for it conceiving it was not likely that our Nation lying under great Grievances should go willingly and chearfully to a War labouring under the same grievances with themselves My Lord of Strafford he must speak it and confess it very ingenuously seemed no way to dislike the Discourse but said he did not conceive it to be Counsellable at that time neither did the present dangers of the Kingdom which were not now imaginary but real and pressing admit of so slow and uncertain a remedy as a Parliament was for that the Parliament had in the great distress of the King and Kingdom refused now to supply the King by the ordinary and usual way of Subsidies and therefore the King must provide for the safety of his Kingdom by such wayes as He should think fit in his wisdom And he the Earl of Bristol doth remember that the said Earl of Strafford at the same time did use the Sentence Salus Reipublicae Suprema
You are acquitted before God and Men You have an Army in Ireland which You may Imploy here to Reduce this Kingdom or some words to this effect And Sir Henry Vane added That he desires to speak clearly to it It is true My Lord of Strafford said these words You may But by that he the Examinant cannot say it was intended but that the words were spoken and if it were the last hour he is to speak it is the Truth to his best Remembrance Being Asked on the several Motions of my Lord of Clare and my Lord Savil Whether by this Kingdom he meant the Kingdom of England or Scotland and Whether it was meant That he might imploy the Army in England or in Ireland because he said The Army might be there imployed He Answered That he shall as near as he can And because he would have-Truth appear he shall desire That if in this Case any word fall which may be uncouth in the Sence they would resort to his Examinations for there it remains under his Hand and Oath But to his best remembrance he thinks neither then nor there were used But Your Majesty hath an Army in Ireland You may Imploy to reduce this Kingdom But far be it from him the Examinant to Interpret them He tells their Lordships the words and no other Being directed by the Lord Steward to repeat what he had spoken He Answered That he shall plainly and clearly do it These words were spoken as my Lord of Northumberland hath testified at the Committee of Eight for the Scotch Affairs It was an occasion of a Debate Whether an Offensive or a Defensive War with the Kingdom of Scotland That on some Debate then some being of Opinion for a Defensive some for an Offensive War he did say the words related as he conceives That in a Discourse the Earl of Strafford said these words or words to this effect Your Majesty having tryed all wayes and refused in this case of extream necessity and for the Safety of Your Kingdom and People You are loose and absolved from all Rules of Government You are acquitted before God and Men You have an Army in Ireland You may imploy it to reduce this Kingdom Being Asked How long this was after the Parliament was Dissolved He Answered He cannot tell the time but it was suddenly after or within few dayes after the dissolution of the Parliament Being Asked on my Lord of Clares motion Whether these words You have an Army in Ireland did immediately follow these words You are Absolved c. He Answered That to his best remembrance it did interpose and my Lord of Strafford did speak it once or twice And to his best remembrance at first it was agitated to press the Offensive War for there were divers Reasons given as the Kingdom stood then that there should be no Offensive War and he must speak clearly and plainly he the Examinant did move for a Defensive War For the Subjects of England how they stood affected to this War they knew and besides a breach of a Parliament he thought it would but induce an ill effect On these Controversions the words were spoken Here Mr. Whitlock observed That these words were spoken in England on this occasion Of the Kings trying His People c. which cannot be intended any other place but England where the Parliament was broken and where the King had tried his People Being Asked on the motion of the Earl of Southampton Whether he sayes positively my Lord of Strafford did say these words or words to that effect or whether to his best remembrance He Answered That he speaks positively either those words or words to that effect The Earl of Clare desiring further satisfaction to the Question formerly proposed on this Motion Whether he meant by this Kingdom the Kingdom of England or the Kingdom of Scotland The Lord Steward put his Lordship in mind That Sir Henry Vane testifies to the Words not to the Interpretation And Mr. Maynard said The Question is put Whether this Kingdom be this Kingdom And so Mr. Whitlock said They should conclude their Evidence conceiving the last words spoken to be very fully proved and by connexion with those other words proved before he thinks it is very clear and manifest That my Lord of Strafford had a strong Design and Endeavour to subvert and change the Fundamental Laws and Government of England and to bring in an Army upon us to force this Kingdom to submit to an Arbitrary Power That he shall not trouble their Lordships with repitition of words nor with the Application of them for indeed they be above Application and to aggravate them were to allay them they have in themselves more bitterness and horror then he is able to express and so he left them to their Lordships consideration and application expecting my Lord of Straffords Answer to them Only he desired their Lordships in one point to hear what Mr. Treasurer can say further concerning the breach of the last Parliament and what Words and Messages he heard of during the sitting of that Parliament procured by my Lord of Strafford unless their Lordships will reserve that till the rest of the Witnesses come to morrow morning and then they shall be ready to produce all relating to that point together Whereupon liberty was granted for the reserving of them accordingly My Lord of Strafford did hereupon crave of their Lordships leave to recollect his Notes being as he said a little Distracted how to give Answer to these things for diverse Articles are mingled together which will make his Answer not so clear as otherwise he had hoped to have made it but trusts he shall do it still He desires leave to Answer Article by Article and how much horror soever this Gentleman is pleased to say there is in these words he trusts before he goes out of the Room to make it appear that though there may be error of Judgment yet nothing that may give offence when the Antecedents and Consequents are brought together and that he shall give such an account that whether or no their Lordships will clear him as to the Charge of an Indiscreet Man he knows not but as for Treason to the King and His People he shall give clear satisfaction that no such thing was spoken or intended His Lordship desired He might be favoured with the sight of my Lord of Northumberlands Examinations But this Mr Glyn opposed and said His Lordship being to Answer to matter of Fact let him first say how it stands and then prove it To which my Lord of Strafford Answered That in truth they make much more of it then he did for he trusts by the blessing of Almighty God to give the Answer of an honest Man to all Objections he will not say of a discreet Man and once for all he humbly besought their Lordships and so he knows in their Wisdom and Judgment they will to
so far as to suffer him to ask a Question of three or four persons he shall produce professing that there was never a thought in any mans heart that he knew nor never a word in any mans mouth that ever he heard that any part of the Army should ever touch a foot on English ground as some of their Lordships and His Majesty knows where his Lordship added If he may with Reverence name His Majesty in that poor and distressed condition wherein himself is for he is not worthy of his Protection being in this miserable Case and therefore it was too much boldness for him to name him But his Lordship desired the benefit of reading my Lord of Northumberland's Examination to the point of that Design Algernon Earl of Northumberland his Examination taken To the First Interrogatory he saith That he hath often heard both His Majesty and the Earl of Strafford mention the 8000 Foot which were to be raised in Ireland but to his best remembrance he never heard any intention of bringing the said 8000 Foot or any part thereof into England That the design of landing them on the West of Scotland was often spoke of and so resolved as he believes To the Second he saith He doth not remember that ever he heard the Earl of Strafford speak or mention the reducing of the Subjects of England by the said Army in Ireland Here my Lord of Strafford desired their Lordships to take notice that my Lord of Northumberland was one of the Committee of Eight for Scotch affairs The Lord Marq. Hamilton being Sworn and Interrogated what he knew or believed concerning the raising of 8000 Foot in Ireland or whether he was privy to any intention of bringing the same or any part of them into England His Lordship Answered It is late and time is precious to their Lordships and so he shall answer as shortly as he can unto that Question It is very true His Majesty was Graciously pleased to acquaint him with the resolution of raising that Army of 8000 Foot And it is true that the resolution was That these men should Land in the West of Scotland about a certain Town called Ayre or where my Lord should find it most convenient And for any thing he the Examinant knows there was no other design he never heard of any nor did he hear of the bringing of them into England for any such use or end or that they were ever to come to England at all Being asked whether he heard my Lord of Strafford speak any thing concerning the reducing of England by the Army His Lordship Answered That he doth not remember my Lord of Strafford to have spoken any such words Sir Tho. Lucas Sergeant-Major-General of the Horse of the King's Army in Ireland who as my Lord of Strafford said being with him him here in Candlemas-Term was 12 months in his own Lodging at Covent-Garden something passed between them concerning the disposing of the 8000 Foot and 1000 Horse to what purpose they were raised And being asked What was the Intent and Circumstance of that discourse He Answered That about the latter end of Ianuary 1639. my Lord of Strafford told him an Army was to be raised in Ireland another in England and with the English Army a Regiment of Horse whereof his the Examinants Troop should be one and some Regiments of Foot and these Foot and Horse were to joyn with the Irish Army and that my Lord taking a Map of Scotland which lay then in the Chamber said Now I must tell you the greatest secret in all the world and pointed with his finger towards that part of Scotland which lies on the Dunbar-Frith and said the Irish Army is to land here and here I intend to take a Town but he did not nominate the Town and added That he might the more easily do it because the Scots would not expect his Landing there but it is likely will imagine the Landing of the Irish Army at Carlisle or some other part of England And his Lordship said further That when he had taken this he would strongly fortifie it intending it for a Magazine of Ammunition and Victuals for the Irish Army and so he should bring all the Countrey about to Contribution even to Edenburgh and when he is Landed he the Examinant should have notice and should joyn with the Irish Army and that he would send these Horse my Lord spake to him the Examinant about 1000 as he thinks to convey him the Examinant to him My Lord of Strafford added That the truth is there were Foot-Regiments of Sir Tho. Wharton's and Sir Arthur Tyrringham's and Sir Tho. Lucas's Regiment of 500 Horse that when the Irish were Landed in Scotland were to be fetcht by Ships from St. Rees and so to have joyned with the others And it was supposed 500 would have found no great difficulty on a suddain for such a march and Sir Tho. Wharton and Sir Arthur Tyrringham came over purposely to have persued his Design by which it appears there was no design to bring them to England and so a strange Philosophy it was to bring it into any mans thoughts it should be so Mr. Slingsby being Interrogated What he knew concerning the Design of the Irish Army He Answered That he had the honor to be sworn of the Council of War and then the charge of making the whole Magazine of Ammunition and Provision for that Army was conferred on him That he repaired to England 10 days after my Lord and persued his received Instructions for making preparations of Artillery and Ammunition directed which he got all shipp'd and ready about Iuly that the slow proceedings of the Irish Army did then retard his directions from my Lord-Lieutenant for the dispatch away of those Ships which were ready That my Lord was pleased to tell him he must provide some stores for a Magazine for maintainance of the Soldiers that he was pleased to impart to him That the Army was to Land in Scotland about Aire That he thereupon proceeded to get a Map drawn of that Coast and informed himself by that Map and discoursed with Scotchmen in Town That Aire was a barred Harbor and that divers Ordinance were mounted to intercept the Landing which he representing to my Lord-Lieutenant my Lord directed him to take consideration of the burdens of the Ships and whether they could be brought to ride near the Town and that there might be provision of Flat-bottomm'd Boats to Land a good number at once That he had a Warrant to receive 10 of the King 's Flat-bottomm'd Boats and 20 were provided by my Lord of Antrim the last year with Oars and a floating Battery to secure the Landing of the men That he had direction to obtain Warrants from my Lord of Newport for 10 16 or 20 pieces of Ordinance That at first he had 10 afterwards 6 more Iron pieces for fortification which as my Lord of Strafford had imparted to him the Examinant
such a room as this whether there be Serving-men or Aprentizes in a croud To which Mr. Maynard answered much less can he hear it Sir William Pennyman Interrogated whether the Petition deliver'd by my Lord Wharton was by the major part of the Gentlemen that met according to the Kings appointment at the place proper for the business declined And whether they did not declare their consent to a Months pay and that my Lord of Strafford should deliver the Message by word of mouth He Answered That the major part did decline the delivery of the Petition and it was done upon a Vote there being some difference of opinion and he thinks truly according to his conjecture there were 200 voices at the least to three or four Happily some others tacitly might be of another opinion but there was to his best remembrance three or four voted against it Being asked whether divers that Signed it did not decline it He Answered That divers that set their Hands to the Petition did retract it whereof he himself was one and divers other Members of the House whom he offered to name if their Lordships required it but that their Lordships did not think fit to direct Being asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not faithfully and rightfully present to His Majesty the Message he was intrusted with He Answered That he was one of them that went with my Lord but was in the same condition with Sir Edward Osborne for the crowd was so great that he could not come to hear Where my Lord of Strafford desired their Lordships to take notice that it was not in a corner when Gentlemen of their Quality could not come near Being asked on Mr. Maynards motion Whether there was to be any difference between what was to be delivered to the King and that contained in the Petition the last Clause excepted He Answered That he conceives nothing was to be omitted but only that of the Parliament Being asked on the Lord Whartons motion Whether he and another had not Commission to acquaint my Lord of Strafford from them that had subscribed the Petition that they had a Petition to be deliver'd his Lordship for His Majesty and whether he brought not word back again that they should wait on his Lordship with the Petition on Saturday at One or Two of the clock and at his Lordships own house and whether they did not accordingly wait on him He Answered That he did and they did come and it was purposely that they might most of them goe to the Hall not to make my Lords House a place of his debate Being asked whether he was not directed to acquaint my Lord of Strafford with the Petition and whether he brought back word about the time of attending He Answered It is true he did but he knows not whether he brought it on a Message from my Lord. Being urged to Answer that positively Whether he brought it as a Message from my Lord. He Answered That it may very well be he did he thinks he did but he added in effect his desire was to know what the Question tended to Mr. Maynard thereupon desired of their Lordships that a Witness at the Bar might not demand the meaning of a Question before he answers to the truth of it And Mr. Glyn observed that my Lord of Strafford had several times besought he might go on quietly with his Evidence and they hope their Lordships will justify them that they have behaved themselves as men intrusted by the House of Commons and that their Lordships will not suffer this Language to be used They must demand Justice And Mr. Maynard added that they desire only that the Witness may readily answer to the Question propounded and not advise what may be the consequence or enquire the intention of them for they are to speak only the truth But my Lord of Strafford conceived it a very fitting Question for the Witness to desire to understand the Question before he answers it and that 's all he doth as he conceives Being required to answer positively whether he brought that Message from my Lord of Strafford touching the time of delivering the Petiton He Answered That he did My Lord of Strafford here offered to their Lordships that he conceives this Question not material to him he was then extream sick and in his sick Bed when he should send this Message and that truly he was never in such height of incivility towards any man alive of a far meaner Quality than my Lord Wharton as to send them word they should attend him at such an hour he knows what belongs to my Lord Wharton and what to himself much better than to send for or expect any attendance from his Lordship Sir William Savill being Interrogated whether the Petition Signed as aforesaid was not absolutely by the major part of them in the Hall declined and voted that it should not be delivered He Answered That he was there and by the major part of the Gentlemen present it was delivered and consented that my Lord should deliver the substance of the Petition to the King by word of mouth saving the last Clause concerning the Parliament Being asked Whether there were not divers that Signed it who did afterwards retract it And whether himself did not He Answered there were and that he himself Signed the former Petition and then it came to be disputed before them whether they should retract it or no he was against the retracting of it and many delivered Votes against it under 10 he believes and for his own part he said nothing to it but it was carried so clearly by the opinion of them present that he went along with a great number of Gentlemen that went with my Lord to the King and he heard my Lord faithfully deliver the substance of the Petition in every thing and with more advantage to them than the Petition was drawn except the business of the Parliament Being asked whether part of it was not the consent to a months pay of the Trained Bands He Answered That he verily believes it was the intention of them all that a months pay should be paid to the Soldiers of the Countrey and the months pay was paid Being asked Whether it was not willingly and voluntarily paid in every place without constraint to his knowledge He Answered That in that part where he lived no body denyed whatsoever was asked so there was no pressing of any body to pay a penny nor complaint of any body for want of Money Sir William Pennyman being asked to the said last point He Answered That it was with a agreat deal of alacrity and cherfulness and he heard no man repine at it then nor since Sir Edward Osborne Interrogated to that Point Answered He never knew of any forcible course to make men pay it but it was freely paid Sir William Savill being Interrogated How many of
His Majesty and their Lordships had not been there he conceives he might have Justified the doing of as much as he hath done in this Parliament his Commission under the Seal of my Lord Admiral being in effect FOr the better Execution of this our Commission we do further give and grant to you full Power and Authority from time to time and at all times at your discretion to command and require of and from all our Lieutenants and Deputy-Lieutenants in our several Counties of this our Realm and Dominion of Wales and of and from every or any of them to send to you or such place as you shall appoint such number of able Men for the War as well Horsemen as Footmen in the said Counties respectively or otherwise sufficiently Armed and Furnished as you in your discretion shall appoint and require And he did not send them to pay any Money but to relieve by turnes Regiment after Regiment and if they found it for their ease they might be at the Charge else do the Duty required which by the Common Allegiance every man is bound to do Say then he had committed an Error he had rather confess than justifie it as long as it is not brought to him as a Crime But there is another clause according to the Statute of 11 H. 7. viz. ANd further our pleasure is and we do give and grant for us our heirs and successors that whatsoever you or any other person or persons of what degree soever by your Commission Warrant or Command shall do by vertue of this our Commission or Letters Patents or according to the Instructions aforesaid or the purport of this our Commission touching the Execution of the premises both you and the said persons in shewing forth these our Letters-patents or the Constat or Inrollment thereof shall be discharged and acquitted against us our heires and successors and freed from all Impeachment and other molestation for the same He did this without sinister ends or by-respects and therefore if he did any way err by His Majesties own gracious clause he is to be excused And it is pursuing to the Statute of 11 H. 7. c. 1. where the Preamble is very observable THe King our Soveraign Lord recalling to his Remembrance the Duty and Allegiance of His Subjects and that they by reason of the same are bound to serve the King for the time to come in His Wars against every Rebellion and Power and Might c. and whatsoever falls against the mind of the Prince and that it is against all Law Reason and Conscience that attending His Person or being in other places of His Command any should lose or forfeit for doing their true Service and Obedience Be it therefore Enacted c. That from henceforth no manner of Person or persons whatsoever that attends the King in His Person and do Him true Allegiance in His Person or be in other places in His Wars for the said Deed or true Duty he and they shall be any way convicted and Attainted of Treason nor of any other Offence by any Process of Law whereby he shall forfeit Lands Goods Tenements c. and shall be for that Deed and Service utterly discharged of any Vexation c. So that he conceives he hath done nothing but what may receive a fair and equal interpretation what he hath done he hath done very candidly and clearly for the good of His Masters Service and preservation of the Country and he hath done nothing violently or deliberately to force Men to do things that may any way trench on the Propriety or Liberty of the Subject and whatsoever evil he may have committed in this he hopes by the Act of Parliament and by the words of the Commission read he shall stand before their Lordships in point of Justice and Noble Compassion to a Man that may erre Acquitted from any part of that Charge that may accuse him of High Treason Onely one thing he hath omitted and that is the Testimony of Sir William Ingram where he Charges me with saying The refusers to pay the Money are in little better condition than guilty of High Treason But he is a single Testimony and he sayes That clearly underfavour it is no mean offence for any Man to deny the Common Allegiance due to the King for Defence of His VVars But the words are testified to be spoken only to one Man and he is not Accomptable to him nor to their Lordships for that he being but a single Testimony Mr. Maynard began to Reply to the said Defence in substance as followeth That whereas my Lord sayes They have urged much that which was not Charged his Lordship hath Answered that which was not Objected as a Charge for the greatest part of the time he hath spent in examining so many VVitnesses is to shew on what grounds the first Petition was deserted and a Message put on his Lordship to deliver to the King The Petition was not offered to him as a matter of Charge but it is charged upon him that he procured to levy and impole Money upon the Country by force without a legal VVarrant and by way of excuse in his Answer he sets forth that the Country did yield to it by their Unanimous consent To that purpose it was objected to him Not that the delivery of the Message was a Crime and therefore he might have spared this labour to Answer it as to that purpose But as himself states the Case he hath much encreased rather then diminished his Fault for he said There was a Consent yet it appears there were but 109 principal Gentlemen parties in the first Petition and he encounters these to 200 met together the greater part of whom consenting and 100 of them that had subscribed and about 5 dissenting they resolve of a Message to be delivered touching consent But they have proved not only a Leavy for the first moneth but much more though when the Gentry met together and consented to a Petition it is no desertion of that Petition because 10 of 109 deserted especially when they had a Message from my Lord to meet about it and relying upon it went into the Country besides 200 Gentlemen Freeholders and others could not lay a Charge on the rest of the Country nor bind them that had dissented before and whose consent was not involved and it is no legal way to raise Money by Warrant much less by Force For the Money levyed after the Moneth expired my Lord hath offered no Colour to their Lordships for first the ground whereupon he raised it was contrary to that which was the truth viz. the Consent of the Lords of the Great Council whereas it appear'd and shall appear further there was no such Consent My Lord of Strafford would next justifie it by a Commission but that doth only require people according to their Allegiance to give attendance and this is turned into a matter of laying of Money for the first point of
but only the Estimate of a Merchant and how far your Lordships will be guided by the Estimate of a Merchant I known not but I have had Trial of some of them and their Estimates never hold for they have alwayes told me I shall gain much and when I came to the point I gained nothing and if Sir George Ratcliffe should be Sworn to the Point he should say confidently that we are Fourscore and six thousand out of Purse and when he came out of Ireland but Fourscore thousand pounds received and this is the Profit Estimated by the great Merchants at a Hundred and Forty thousand pounds a year But at the worst it is but a Monopoly and a Monopoly of the best condition because it was begun by a Parliament I have seen many Monopolies question'd in Parliament and many overthrown in Parliament but I never heard a Monopoly charged for a Treason My Lords The next is the 13th Article and that is concerning the Flax business For that my Lords if I had thought it any way concerning me I could have cleared it in a very great measure But I had no private Interest in the business much less of private profit but onely an endeavour and desire to bring in the Trade of Linnen-Cloth to that Kingdom which would be much advantage to both Kingdoms and no prejudice to this Kingdom which a Woollen Trade would have been if set up these And the Prolcamation when it was found not so well liking to the People was called in of our own accord before it was question'd and so laid aside and given over For any matter of private Benefit you have no Witness but Crokay a Fellow brought out of Prison Here is but a single Witness and a sorry one a Fellow who by misbehaving and misusing the trust committed to him was turned out and upon the turning of him out the Proclamation was absolutely called in and now he comes to be a Witness being himself the onely offended in the Cause But I beseech your Lordships to think I have not lived with so mean a heart in the World that I should look to gain Four Nobles more or less upon a Cart Load of Flax It is very well known my thoughts have carryed me free enough from gaining so poor and petty a matter as that is I know nothing in the World of it no more than the man in the Moon but when it comes to be heard your Lordships will find me extreame pure in that for I thank God I have clear hands I assure you The 14th is waved by them concerning an Unlawful Oath given to Masters and Officers of Ships and it might very well be waved for I conceive it to be Warranted by the Law Sure I am it is both the Practice of England and Ireland and hath alwayes and at all times been practised and used and is onely for the preventing of Fraud and Deceipt in Merchants by not paying the Kings Duties and Customes The 15th is Answered already I hope The 16th doth Charge upon me certain Propositions I made before I went into Ireland And in good Faith my Lords you may see how short-sighted men may be to their own Actions for I did very well believe I should never have reaped any thing from those Propositions but Thanks I am sure they were well received then when they were offered to His Majesty and the Council and I must truely Confess I never thought they should be objected against me as a Fault My Lords The Proposition was That no Man should be allowed to Complain of Injustice or Oppression in Ireland unless he first addressed himself to the Deputy My Lords there was no Original Intent but onely to prevent Clamours and Unjust Vexations of the Kings Ministers there that after men had received Judgment of the Kings Courts they might not presently come and by Clamours call over a Chief Justice or a Chancellor or President to Answer here and be at charge of five or six hundred pounds unless they acquaint the Deputy with it that they might be righted in the place and this is Charged against me as a great Crime Truely my Lords I shall Confess and Amend any thing and trust other Judgments rather than mine own but I see not how this can Charge me as intending to subvert the Laws of the Land but rather to preserve them The other concernes a Proclamation That none shall depart the Kingdom without License My Lords for that I have shewed that no man out of that Kingdom can come without License but upon very great Penalties I have shewed likewise it was the desire of their own Agents some 15 or 16 years since That there might be such a Restraint and none might come over without License I have shewed you likewise the Instructions to my Lord of Faulkland by which he was Commanded in persuance of that Desire that none should come over without his License I have shewed the express Command of His Majesty to me to have it so I have shewed you likewise the Reasons of State why it should be so to prevent that practice and Intelligence which might otherwise arise betwixt them of that Nation serving under Tir-Connell and O Neale and likewise to prevent the going over and transplanting the Prime Nobility and Gentry to Seminaries and other such places there to be brought up and therefore in reason of State it is a Restraint and ought so to be But having these grounds of Law Warrant Practice Former Instruction and all Why this should be brought to me in particular Charge to Convince me of endeavouring the Subversion of the Laws I must submit to your Lordships My Lords There is in the latter part of this another Charge concerning the Sentenceing of one Parry who was Sentenced as I conceive very Justly and I have no more to answer for in that Sentence then any of the rest having but a single Voice and that I should answer for all I confess is something hard But there is no manner of Testimony in the World in this save the Testimony of Parry himself Now if Parry the Man offended his Testimony shall be taken against the Judge I know no Man can be safe and other Testimony is not offered and therefore I trust that that will easily fall off of it self The 17th is likewise waved and is in Truth of no great Consequence one way or other and therefore I shall give no other Answer to it It was well waved and had been as well left out having no great matter in it The 18th is likewise waved but it is that which sticks very heavy upon me and wherein I find my self as much afflicted as in any one part of the Charge For my Lords here I am Charged up and down to endeavour to draw upon my self a Dependance of the Papists in both Kingdomes of Ireland and England and that I have during the time of my Government restored diverse Mass-Houses in Dublin and elsewhere
himself The Eighth Article contains several charges as that of my Lord Chancellor How he imprisoned him upon a Iudgement before himself and the Council how he inforced the Seal from him when he had no authority nay though it were excepted by his Patent that he should no way dispose of it but he looked not to Authority further than might make way to his Will Another concerns the prime Earl of that Kingdom my Lord of Kildare whom he imprisoned and kept close prisoner contrary to the Kings express command for his deliverance and in his answer my Lord acknowledges it but sayes That that command was obtained from the King upon a mis-information These things I would not have mentioned if he had passed them over but since he gives them in give me leave to mention and say we had a ground to put them into Charge and could have proved them if there had been need punctually and expresly and I believe little to my Lords advantage But your Lordships I think do remember my Lady Hibbots Case where the Lady Hibbots contracts with Thomas Hibbots for his Inheritance for 2500 l. executes the Contract by a Deed and Fine levied deposits part of the Money and when a Petition was exhibited to the Lord Deputy and Council for the very Estate your Lordships remember how this came in judgment before my Lord Deputy there was but a Petition delivered there was an answer made and all the suggestions of the Petition denied yet my Lord spake to Hibbots himself that was willing to accept the Money not to decline the way that he was in by Petition Five hundred pound more will do him no hurt to carry into England with him and yet without examination of a Witness a Decree was made to deprive this Lady of her Estate and the purchasing of this Land by my Lord of Strafford was proved by two Witnesses though not absolutely yet by confession of Sir Robert Meredith and others whose names were used in Trust for my Lord of Strafford and that it proved according to my Lord of Straffords Prophecy for the man had five hundred pounds gain above the Contract with my Lady Hibbots But after the Lands were sold for Seven thousand pounds so that the Lady Hibbots offence was her making of a bargain whereby to gain Five hundred pounds but there was no offence in my Lord to make a bargain for Three thousand pounds and to gain Four thousand pounds presently this you see proved by Hibbots the party and by Mr. Hoy the Son of the Lady Hibbots So that here is a determination of a Cause before the Council-Table touching Land which was neither Plantation nor Church-Land without colour of the Instructions contrary to Law to Statute to Practice and if this be not an exercising of an unlawful jurisdiction over the Land and Estates of the Subject I know not what is In his answer to this case he did open it yet whether he mistook or no I know not that he had a Letter from the King but he produces none in evidence and that is another mis-recital I am sorry he should mis-recite and fix it upon the Person of His Sovereign in a case of this nature Now he falls more immediately upon the liberty of the Subject and that is by the Warrant mentioned in the Ninth Article to be issued to the Bishop of Down and Conner whereby he gives power to him and his Officers to apprehend any of the Kings Subjects that appeared not upon Process out of his Ecclesiastical Courts expresly contrary to Law and your Lordships have heard how miserably the Kings Subjects were used by this Warrant as hath been proved by a Gentleman of Quality Sir Iames Mountgomery And howsoever he pretends it was called in it was three whole years in execution before it was called in and though he pretends his Predecessors did ordinarily grant Warrants of that nature yet he proves no such thing My Lord Primate was examined and he says that Bishop Mountgomery did tell him there was such a Warrant and one Witness more speaks of one Warrant and that is all the Witnesses produced and that but to be a Copy too Your Lordships have heard how he exercises his jurisdiction and power over particulars and that in a numerous manner now your Lordships shall find it universal and spread over the face of that Kingdom that was under his jurisdiction and that is in the tenth Article which concerns the Customs where he doth impose upon the Kings Subjects a Rate and Tax against Law and enforces them to pay it or else punishes them for it which is expresly an arrogating to himself of a jurisdiction above the Law My Lords in his answer he pretends that this is rather a matter of fraud than otherwise in truth and so it is and that a great one too But as it is a fraud a dis-service and deceit to His Majesty so it is likewise an exercise of a Tyrannical Jurisdiction over his Subjects That it is a fraud to His Majesty it plainly appears for the King lost exceedingly by it whereas before the Rent afforded the King was 11050. l. there was improved by the new Lease that my Lord of Strafford took but 1350 l. and I beseech your Lordships observe how much the King lost by it for my Lord had comprehended in his new Lease the Impost of Wine for which the King before that time received 1400 l. a year and likewise the Custom of London-derry Colerane and Knockfergus for which the King had reserved 1700 l. a year besides the moity of the seizures so here is 5000 l. that the King lost of the old Rent expresly and if your Lordships please observe the gain and benefit my Lord of Strafford made by it in one year he and his sharers received 39000 l. and in the last year 51000 l. and that expresly proved upon two accounts and if this be his dealing where is his service to the King in his pretence to advance the Customs It is true he says The King hath five eighth parts but it was but within these two years the King had it not before And I would very gladly have heard whether the King received his part of an account of 55000 l. if he had received it I believe we should have heard of it My Lords There is something more here is a new imposition on the Kings people without Law and yet I will do my Lord of Strafford no injury but I tell you how the proof stands It was a Book of Rates framed before he came to the farm for the Book of Rates was in March and the Date of his Assignment was in April following and therefore my Lord saith It could not be for his benefit But my Lords all this while my Lord of Strafford was in England and in agitation for the procuring of it and they come one upon the heels of another and I beseech you observe cui bono the Book of
to Sir William Pennyman in pursuance of which he made his Warrant That it was the assent of the Lords of the great Council that this Money should be levied and taking all together whether it fixes it not upon him to be the Author and Instrument it rests in your judgements in point of fact and so I suppose the Seven and twentieth Article rests on him and so I shall conclude the Evidence produced on the behalf of the Commons And now give me leave to put your Lordships in mind of some Evidences offered by my Lord Strafford himself in his Answer and in the passages of his Defence for his clearing and justification but tending directly to his condemnation I will enter upon some passages he mentioned to day and often before When he is charged with invading the Estates of the Peers of the kingdom of Ireland and determining them upon Paper Petitions in an Arbitrary way your Lordships have heard him speak it before and repeat it this day That he did it out of compassion for the more expeditious proceeding on behalfe of the poor against these mighty But then my Lords I beseech you compare some other part of his proceedings Your Lordships remember the business of the Flax which concerns the poor wholly and universally and if compassion had been the rule and direction of his actions towards the poor surely this would have been a just cause to have commiserated them in this case but he exercised his power over them and over them wholly and over them universally and therefore it shews it is not his compassion to the poor nor respect to the rich or mighty that will any way restrain or obstruct his ways to his own Will And thefore you may see what truth there is in his answer by comparing one part of the charge with another when the business of the Flax brought that calamity upon the Kings Subjects that thousands of them perished for lack of Bread and dyed in Ditches Secondly Your Lordships have often heard him use a Rhetorical insinuatian wondring that he should be charged with words and they strained so high as to be made Treason to question his Life and Posterity though the words might be spoken unadvisedly or in discourse or by chance Your Lordships remember the Fifth Article touching his proceedings against my Lord Mountnorris where words were spoken in an ordinary discourse at dinner and slight ones God knows of no consequence at all such as another man would scarce have harkened after and yet my Lord extends them to the taking away of my Lord Mountnorris his life gets a sentence of death against him and that against Law with a high hand in such a manner as I think your Lordships have not heard the like and therefore I beseech you compare one part of his Answer with another and see how ready he is to make use of any thing that may excuse himself and yet when he comes to act his power you see his exercise of it You have heard how he magnifies his Zeal for advancing the Kings Benefit and Revenue and his care of his Service and would shelter and protect himself under it to justify an exorbitant action but if your Lordships call to mind the business of the Customs for Tobacco which in truth were the Kings right and due and a great profit was thereby advanced and he trusted to advance it The King must loose of his former Rents in the case of Custom and received a small Rent in the case of Tobacco my Lord himself in the mean time imbursing such vast sums of Money where is then the discharge of his Trust where is his care to advance the Kings Rents to increase his Revenue Compare that part of his Answer with this and see what credit is to be given to his affirmation My Lords throughout the passages of his discourse he insinuates and never more than this day with the Peers of the Realm magnifying them almost to Idolatry and yet my Lords when he was in his Kingdom in Ireland and had power over them what respect shewed he then to the Peers of the Kingdom when he judged some to death trampled upon others in misery committed them to prison and seized on their Estates where then was the Peerage he now magnifies And to shew it was an insinuation for his own advantage you may remember when there was an unlawful Act to be committed that is the levying of Money in the North What regard had he then to the Peers of the Kingdom when he comes to justify and boulster up High Treason it self under the name and authority of the Great Council where most of the Peers of the Realm then were and so by this time I know what credit your Lordships give to his words spoken when he lies under your Mercy and Power but what do I speak of the Peers of the Kingdom and his using of them My Lords he spared not his Sovereign His Majesty in His whole Defence for being charged with offences of a high nature he justifies those offences under the pretence and under the authority of His Majesty our Gracious King and Sovereign even Murther it self in the Case of Denwit and my Lord Mountnorris Treason it self in the Fifteenth Article by a Command in Ireland and in the Seven and twentieth by a pretended authority from His Majesty in the face of His People he justifies my Lord Mountnorris his sentence by a Letter from His Majesty Denwits Sentence by a Commission from His Majesty and he read three or four clauses to that purpose My Lords my Lord of Strafford doth very well know and if he doth not know it I have a Witness to produce against him which I will not examine but refer it to his own Conscience that is The Petition of Right that the Kings Servants are to serve him according to Law and no otherwise he very well knew if an unlawful act be committed especially to a degree of Treason and Murder the Kings Authority and Warrant produced is no justification at all So then my Lords to mention the Kings name to justify an unlawful act in that way can do him no good and his own understanding knows it may do the King harm if we had not so Gracious a King that no such thing can do harm unto But my Lords to produce the Kings Warrant to justify his actions under his Patent and Command what is it else but so far as in him lies in the face of his people to raise a cloud and exhale a vapour To interpose betwixt the King and his Subjects whereby the splendor of his Glory and Justice cannot be discovered to his people My Lords what is it else when the people make complaint against the Ministers that should execute justice of their oppression and slavery and bondage For the Minister when he is questioned to justify this under the Kings Authority what is it I say but as much as in that Minister lies
to fix this offence to fasten this oppression upon the King himself to make it to be believed that the occasion of these their groans proceeded from His Sacred Majesty yet God be thanked the strength of that Sun is powerful enough to dispel these vapours and to disperse the cloud that he would have raised but in the mean time my Lord is nothing to be excused My Lords he may pretend zeal to the Kings Service and affection to His Honor but give me leave not to believe it since when he is questioned by all the Kings people and in the face of his people and offences laid to his charge which himself now confesses to be against Law he should justify it under the Kings authority that savours not of a good servant I will say no more My Lords he is charged with exercising a tyrannical power over the Kings people and in his Defence your Lordships have often heard and I may not omit it that he shelters himself under the protection of the Kings Prerogative though he be charged with Tyranny of the highest nature that may be see then how foul and malignant an aspect this hath My Lords what is it else but to endeavour as much as in him lies to infuse into the Kings heart an apprehension that His Prerogative is so bottomless a Gulf so unlimited a Power as is not to be comprehended within the rules of Law or within the bounds of Government for else why should he mention the Prerogative when he is charged to exceed the Law What is it else but as far as in him lies to make the people believe for I may not forget the words he hath used by his magnifying of the Prerogative that it hath a special stamp of Divinity on it and that the other part of the Government that God pleases to put into the Kings hands had not that stamp upon it as if any thing done by one was to be justified by authority derived from Heaven but the other not These expressions your Lordships remember and I may not omit to put your Lordships in mind of them and I can expound them no otherwise than as much as in him lies to make the subject believe and apprehend that which is the buckler and defence of his protection to be the two-edged sword of his destruction according to the Doctrine he Preached and that that which is the Sanctuary of their Liberty is the snare and engine of their slavery And thus he hath cast a bone of contention as much as in him lay betwixt King and People to make the Subjects loath that glorious Flower of his Crown by fixing a jealousie in them that it may be a means of their bondage and slavery But there is so much Piety and Goodness in the Kings heart that I hope upon fair understanding there will be no such occasion but no thanks to the party that so much advanced the Prerogative in the case and condition he stands in to justify that which is laid to his Charge of High Treason My Lords I beseech you give me leave there is no greater safety to Kings and People than to have the Throne incircled with good Counsellors and no greater danger to both than to have it encompassed with wicked and dangerous ones and yet I beseech you call to mind how he hath attempted to deprive the Subject of all means to discover this danger by insinuating to your Lordships what a dangerous thing it were if Counsellors should be called in question for giving of Counsel for who then saith he would be a Counsellor where is your safeguard where is the Kings service Is not this as much as in him lies to deprive the people of the means whereby they must make themselves happy and whereby the King must be happy that is by his having good Counsellors about him and yet he infuses that venom that the questioning of Counsellors is dangerous both to King and Peers if it should be brought into example My Lords for many years by-past your Lordships know an evil spirit hath moved amongst us which in truth hath been made the Author and ground of all our distractions and that is necessity and danger this was the bulwarke and the battery that serves to defend all exorbitant actions the ground and foundation of that great invasion of our Liberties and Estates the judgement in the Ship-money and the ground of the Counsel given of late to do any thing and to perswade the King that he was absolved from all rules of Government and yet your Lordships have observed in the course of his defence how often he hath raised this spirit that God be thanked hath been laid to the great comfort of King and Kingdom by your Lordships and all the Commons in Parliament And when he stands under this question and goes about to justify his exorbitant actions how often hath he created this Idol again and therefore I am afraid he discovers too much his own heart in it My Lords I may not omit some other passages in his Defence How he hath cast scandals upon three Nations in this place that is in his first day of Defence when the Irish Remonstrance made by all the Commons of Ireland was produced by the Commons of England he expressed in a passion that things were carried against him by faction and correspondence and if he had time he would make it appear with a strong conspiracy Here is a scandal cast upon the Parliament of Ireland with a reflection on the Commons of England howsoever it is true your Lordships may remember the recantation he made that day which I will not omit desiring not to lay any thing to his charge but what is true but it is the reflection of a scandal that I cannot omit to put your Lordships in mind of and the rather because this Remonstrance presented from the Parliament of Ireland did bear date before my Lord of Strafford was charged here which is very remarkable viz. the 7th of November and therefore though he pretends a correspondence certainly there could be none then for he is not charged here till the Tenth And the same day justifying a Sentence in the Castle-Chamber your Lordships remember he affirmed that unless a strict hand were kept upon the Nation there they would find it hard to prevent perjury one of the most crying sins in Ireland Now to lay an aspersion upon the Subjects of Ireland being under the Government of the same King with us how fit this is to be done by a man in that condition that my Lord of Strafford is I referr to your consideration Another passage I remember whereby in his Defence he fell upon that Nation in answer of which I may not omit to do the service I owe to the Commons for whom I am trusted and that is that talking of an Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government in reference to some Orders of the Commons-House in Ireland he used words to this purpose You
a distance march on a sudden to London and surprize what they had in Design That Mr Iermin was the person that first proposed the marching of the Army towards London That he for his part declared himself absolutely against it That Mr. Iermin replyed to him in private You do not dislike the Design for you are as ready for any wild mad undertaking as any man I know but you dislike the temper of those persons who are ingaged in the business He did further confess That he propounded that Suckling might also be admitted to the Consultation but Wilmot Ashburnham and Pollard would not hear of it and they three did then declare themselves against the Armys marching towards London Then he took occasion to say That he did acquaint some Members of both Houses whom he could name that there were some of the Army whom they did not think so well of were more faithful and serviceable to the Parliament than they were aware of which time would produce and named them and they did accordingly give testimony of his Integrity so far as general Terms could discover the design He confessed that Mr. Iermin did make some offers unto him to relinquish the Government of Portsmouth upon some other terms of advantage but he said he did not conclude any thing for he would first see the performance of what was offered so had no further discourse with him concerning that business but he doth believe that Suckling and Iermin did confer together about the Design he said they did desire his opinion about a General some were for Essex some for Holland but he with Iermin were for Newcastle Being again examined upon his Oath before the Committee of Lords and Commons and pressed more particularly to answer questions not before proposed unto him He did confess that meeting with Mr. Iermin in the Queens Drawing-Chamber Her Majesty came and told him the King would speak with him and meeting with His Majesty he told him he was minded to set His Army into a good posture being advised thereto by the Earl of Bristol as he said and His Majesty then Commanded him to joyn with Mr. Peircy and some others in that business As for the Designs from beyond Seas the Committee did make Report to the House that it was clear'd unto them that Iermin endeavoured to have got the possession of Portsmouth That the King of France had drawn down great Forces to the Sea-side That the Governor of Calice had examined some Englishmen whether the Earl of Straffords Head was yet off and this was in point of time the First of May according to the English stile and Sir Philip Cartwright Governor of Guernsey wrote Letters also which came in great haste That he understood the French had a Design upon that Island or some part of England It also appeared to the Committee by divers of the Letters which were opened coming from beyond Sea that they expected the Earl of Strafford there and that they hoped the Horseleeches should be starved for want of Blood and in some of those Letters there was advice to the Cardinal to bestir himself betimes to interrupt the height of the proceedings here in England Also examination of some Priests were taken in Lancashire and sent up to London which were there taken the 3 of May which did testify That the Priests did say The Parliament should be suddenly Dissolved for the Army was to march up thither with all speed and they would be seconded by Forces out of France and that Mountague did write out of France to Mr Peircy which was also intercepted That if he did perform what he had undertaken he would be made a Knight of the Garter Mr. Peircys Letter to the Earl of Northumberland and by him presented to the Parliament WHat with my own Innocency and the Violence I hear is against me I find my self much distracted I will not ask your Counsel because it may bring prejudice upon you but I will with all Faithfulness and Truth tell you what my part hath been that at least it may be cleared by you whatsoever becomes of me When there was 50000 l. designed by the Parliament for the English Army there was as I take it a suddain Demand by the Scots at the same time of 25000 l of which there was 15000 l. ready this they pressed with much necessity so as the Parliament did after an Order made think it fit for them to Reduct 10000 l. out of the 50000 l. formerly granted upon which the Soldiers in our House were much scandalized amongst which was one and sitting by Wilmot and Ashburnham Wilmot stood up and told them If that the Scots could procure Money he doubted not but the Officers of the English Army might easily do the like but the first Order was reversed notwithstanding and 10000 l given to the Scots this was the cause of many discourses of dislike among us and came to this purpose That they were disobliged by the Parliament and not by the King this being said often to one another we did Resolve that Wilmot Ashburnham Pollard O-Neal and my Self to make some expressions of serving the King in all things he would Command us that were Honourable for Him and us being likewise agreeing to the fundamental Laws of the Kingdom that so far we would live and dye with him This was agreed upon with us not having any communication with others that I am coupled now with all and further by their joynt consent I was to tell His Majesty thus much from them but withal I was to order the matter so as the King might apprehend this as a great Service done unto him at this time that when affairs were in so ill a condition and they were most confident they would ingage the whole Army thus far but further they would undertake nothing because they would neither infringe the Liberty of the Subjects nor destroy the Laws to which I and every one consented and having their sence I drew the Heads up in a Paper which they all approved of when I read it and then we did by an Oath promise one another to be constant and secret in all this and did all of us take this Oath together then I said Well Sirs I must now be informed what your particular desires are that so I may be the better able to serve you which they were pleased to do and so I did very faithfully serve them therein as far as I could This is the Truth and all the Truth upon my Soul In particular discourses after that we did fall upon the petitioning to the King and Parliament for Moneys there being so great Arrears due to us and so much delays made in the procuring of them but that was never done The Heads were these 1. Concerning the Bishops Functions and Votes 2. The not disbanding of the Irish Army until the Scots were disbanded to 3. The endeavouring to settle His Majesties Revenue to that proportion it was
Lords I must tell you the First Articles exhibited are Grounds and Foundations whereupon the rest are gathered and to which they resort and apply themselves severally I do conceive my self in a manner by themselves clear of seven of these for they have in a manner relinquished Five of them So that the First Article is the main Article whereupon I must be touched and that is laid in the Charge thus That I have Trayterously endeavoured to subvert the Fundamental Lawes and Government of the Realmes of England and Ireland and have by Trayterous Words Councils and Actions declared the same and have advised His Majesty to Compel His Subjects to submit thereunto by force My Lords I must confess I have many times with my self considered with wonder at the Wisdom of our Ancestors that set the Pillars of this Monarchy with that singular Judgment and Providence that I have ever observed that so oft as either the Prerogative of the Crown or Liberty of the Subject Ecclesiastical or Temporal powers exceed those modest bounds set and appointed for them by the sobriety and moderation of former times the exercise of it over-turn'd to the Prejudice and to the Detriment of the Publick Weale all the Strings of this Government and Monarchy have been so perfectly tuned through the skill and attention of our Fore-Fathers that if you wind any of them any thing higher or let them lower you shall infallible interrupt the sweet accord that ought to be entertained of King and People With this Opinion I had the honour to sit many years in the Commons House and this Opinion I have carry'd along with me exactly and intirely for Fourteen years in the Kings Service ever Resolving in my heart Stare super vias antiquas to prove with equal care the Prerogative of the Crown and the Liberty of the Subject to Introduce the Laws of England into Ireland ever setting before my self a Joynt and Individual well-being of King and People for either they must be both or neither which made my Misfortune the greater to be now in my Gray Haires charged as an under-worker against that Government a Subverter of that Law I most affected and a Contriver against that Religion to the truth whereof I would Witness by the Sealing of it with my Blood My Lords As to the latter part concerning my Religion they have quitted me and I have nothing to answer to that because it is waved and I trust my Lords I shall clear my self in the first part concerning my being a Subverter of the Fundamental Laws that I shall stand clear to your Lordships Judgments in that Case My Lords This Subversion must be by words by Councils and by Actions in Ireland and in England My Lords I shall first give you an Accompt of the words wherewithall I am Charged forth of Ireland and the first words are in the third Article where I am Charged to have said That Ireland is a Conquered Nation and that the King may do with them as he pleaseth And to the City of Dublin That their Charters are nothing worth and bind the King no farther than he pleaseth These are the words Charged My Lords methinks it is very strange under favour that this can be made an Inducement to prove this Charge because I said That Ireland is a Conquer'd Nation therefore I endeavour to subvert the Fundamental Laws when I speak the Truth for certainly it is very true it was so My Lords under favour I remember very well there was as much said here at this Bar since we began and yet I dare well Swear and acquit him that spake it from intending to Subvert the Lawes For my Lords you were told and told truely That Ireland was a Conquered Nation and that it was Subordinate to England and God forbid that it should be otherwise and that they have received Lawes from the Conqueror My Lords the words testified by my Lord Gormonstone and Kilmalock to be spoken are not the words wherewith I am charged and so under favour I conceive cannot be brought to my prejudice as to this Tryal and they are words that are denied by me For my words concerning their Charters your Lordships remember very well I doubt not wherefore I said they were void For their misuse of them and that I told them so not with the intent to overthrow their Patents or Charters but to make them more conformable to those things that the State thought fit for encrease of Religion and Trade and encouraging and bringing English into that Town And that it was meant so and no otherwise Whatsoever was said it appeares by this their Charters were never touched nor infringed nor medled withal by me during the time I was in that Kingdom so that words so spoken and to such a purpose that they should go to prove such a Conclusion I conceive there is great difference betwixt those Premises and that Conclusion The next Charge for words in Ireland is in the Fourth Article where I am Charged to have said That I would neither have Law nor Lawyers Dispute or Question my Orders and that I would make the Earl of Cork and all Ireland know that as long as I had the Government there any Act of State should be as binding to the Subjects of that Kingdom as an Act of Parliament My Lords I humbly beseech your Lordships to give me leave to say for my self that these words of the Charge are onely Sworn by my Lord of Corke and no man else and his Lordship appeared a little mistaken the other day in one point on the Reading of an Order of the Council-Board for so it appears as I conceive so that for one single Witness and he the Party Aggrieved by these words to be the Man that must convince me I conceive your Lordships will not think that to stand with the ordinary Rules of proceeding For the rest to say Acts of State in Ireland should be Binding so long as they are not contrary to Law I confess I then conceived it had been no Offence for I thought them to be as binding being not contrary to Law but the Elder we grow the wiser we may grow if God give us the Grace and Attentions and so I trust I shall by these Gentlemen that have taught me to forbear those kind of Speeches hereafter My Lords These are all the Words charged against me for Ireland saving onely some things that I shall come to anon that is Charged upon me in one of the latter Articles concerning Scotland I say my Lords these are all the Words that have slipped from me in Seven years time having been well watched and observed as your Lordships may perswade your selves I have been But in Seven years time I say these are all the words brought to my Charge and in truth I conceive a wiser Man than my self might be forgiven for one Error or slip of his Tongue of that Nature in a years time seeing it is in
no greater measure God be praised than these are My Lords these being the words that passed from me in Ireland there are other words that are charged upon me to have been spoken in England but if your Lordships will give me leave though perhaps in no very good method I shall not fail to touch first or last the words in every Article The next Article then that I am charged withal for words is the second Article and these are the words that I should say concerning the Finger and the Loins My Lords I may alledge much new matter but I will observe your Lordships Order punctually by the Grace of God for what I may say in that case if it might be admitted I keep it to my self but the truth is they that do prove the words to be thus That I would make the little finger of the Law heavier than the Kings Loins they do not tell you the occasion of the Speech or what went before or what after for my Lords if they had told the occasion which methinks they should as well have remembred as the words it would plainly and clearly have appeared to your Lordships that Sir William Pennymans Testimony was most true for the occasion was such that to have said those words had been to have spoken against that to which I intended the discourse but speaking them as I said it makes very strong for that purpose to which I directed them which was to appease the Countrey and quiet the Discontents for having been double charged with the Knight-money and therefore it was not properly threatening them further to have provoked them My Lords you have Sir Will. Pennymans testimony that it was so and my profession who under favour will not speak an untruth to save my life I protest before God that I say I verily believe or else I will never speak it indeed and there it is they have proved it to have been said one way we another way we give the occasion of our Speech and disavow theirs and so we must leave it and howsoever these words so spoken can never be drawn as I humbly conceive as premises to prove their conclusions that therefore I am guilty of High Treason they have made me guilty of a foolish Word and that I confess and if they please I will confess it all the day long for I have been foolish all the days of my life and I hope hereafter I shall look unto my ways that I offend not with my Tongue for if I cannot rule it abroad I will rule it within doors else I will never stirr abroad but bound it so to my own business and affairs that I trust I shall give no offence The next Article that chargeth me with words is the 22 Article and these be words spoke in England The first part of them which concerns the bringing in of the Irish Army I have spoken to already but in the conclusion there are other words and shortly the said Earl of Strafford returned to England and to sundry persons declared his opinion to be That His Majesty should first try the Parliament here and if that did not supply him according to his occasions he might then use his Prerogative as he pleased to levy what he needed and that he should be acquitted both of God and Man if he took some other courses to supply himself though it were against the will of his Subjects My Lords as unto this I conceive the Charge is not proved by any Witness that hath been here produced against me and in truth my Lords I must needs say this under favour if it be an error in my Judgement I must humbly crave your Lordships pardon through the whole Cause I have not seen a weaker proof and if I had had time to have gotten my Witnesses out of Ireland I hope that should be proved and so clearly as nothing could be proved more but I must stand or fall to what I have proved and so I do my Lords the proof they offer for this as I conceive is the Testimony of my Lord Primate and his Testimony is That in some discourse betwixt us two touching Levying upon the Subject in case of imminent necessity he found me of opinion that the King might use his Prerogative as he pleased My Lords this is under favour a single Testimony it is of a discourse between him and me and there is not any other that witnesses any thing concerning it so that under favour My Lords I conceive this will not be sufficient to bring me any ways in danger of Treason being but a single Testimony and my Lords it is to be thought and to be believed and it were a great offence for any man to think otherwise that in this case any thing can please the King he is so Gracious and Good but what shall be Just and Lawful and then there is no doubt but so far as with Justice and Lawfulness he may use his Prerogative in case of imminent danger when ordinary means will not be admitted At most he saith it was but an opinion and opinions may make an Heretick but they shall not I trust make a Traitor The next is the Testimony of my Lord Conway and the words that his Lordship testifies are these That in case the King would not be otherwise supplyed by Subsidies he might seek means to help himself though it were against the will of his Subjects Truly my Lords if I should acknowledge these words I do not see how they can be any way Capital in my case but this again is but a single Testimony and there is no other that says it but himself and if there be a good sense given to them certainly the words may very well bear it for I think it is a very natural motion for any man to preserve himself though it be to the disliking of another and why a King should not do it as well as a Subject it is such a prerogative of Kings as I never yet heard of for I thought though they had been Gods on earth yet they are men and have affections as men and should preserve themselves being not only accountable for themselves to God Almighty but also for their Subjects whose Good and Benefit is wrapt up and involved in theirs and therefore the King ought more to regard his own preservation than the Common-wealth The Third is That Mr. Treasurer says that to his best remembrance I did say That if the Parliament should not succeed I would be ready to assist His Majesty any other way God forbid this should be any offence for to say so either in him or me for I will swear if it please you that he said so as well as I therefore God forbid it should endanger either of us both for my Lords to say I will serve the King any other way it is no other than what became a good and faithful servant to do always provided the way be good and lawful