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A70289 A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1660 (1660) Wing H3232; ESTC R6755 22,690 31

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shall be spoken against us falsly for his names sake who suffered the like contradiction of Sinners as we do now for they said that he had a devil and did deceive the people and unto us the bearing of his reproches is as great Riches although it be so be called Devils Witches and Deceivers for his sake for we have his witness in our selves that we are of God and that of God in all mens consciences shall bear witnesse unto us And as for thy saying That some Quakers killed their mother following the light within them It is Answered That there was such a thing done in Yorkeshire but that they ever bore the name of Q●akers is utterly false as thousands can witnesse but was of your own Generation Neither doth following the light of Christ within teach to do any such thing as thou blasphemously wou●dst reproach it whose coming is to save life and not to destroy it And though he come to make an end of sin both original and actual yet it is through his own blood and not with the blood of others So thy charge herein is blasphemous and false in this thing and in divers other particulars which thou mentionest against the Truth and its followers As concerning the Physician in Lincoln which thou tellest of and the Maid in London which thou tellest of and divers other particulars which are falshoods grounded upon the enmity of him who was a Lyer from the beginning and are not worth the mentioning after thee neither can any moderate spirit who have any taste of Truth in their own hearts be easily drawn to believe such things which have so little face of truth with them but is apparent fruit of enmitie And as thou tells of some Quakers dancing some cursing and swearing some killing and murthering and immoderate familiarity with women and many such things against which our God hath set us living witnesses both in life and doctrine as all that knowes us can testifie so much need not to be said in our defence as to those accusations being that our lives preaches the contrary where we come in all parts of the Nation as it is well known none dwells with us in the light of Jesus who act any of these thing and live in them and repent not but with you and your hearers these things are found who are our Enemies accusers and persecuters lived in and justified by Teachers and people is divers of these things unto this day against which we are witnesses An● as for thy saying a Quaker at Dover when he came to die said he expected Salvation by his own works and not by Christ and thy bringof John Davis a Priest for a witnesse hereto To which we say that John Davis having been asked hereof seems to deny it however this we testifie to be our Faith in Christ Jesus that by him only and through obedience to his works we are justified and not in our own And whereas thou accusest some of us for saying to a Priest Now is our day and we will have you down To this we say the day is come in which you are seen and the fall of Antichrist but for any such words or intention in us of violence towards you our hearts are cleer before God and he that shall either threaten or act so towards you we deny And whereas thou accusest E. B. for saying Give the Priests blood to drink for they are worthy It s well known to many that through the Priests yea by their own hands have several of our bloods been shed yet did never we attempt to shed any of yours or theirs nor ever shall do for it is the whore and her worship that hath in her the blood of the Saints and Prophets and all that are slain upon the Earth for the Testimony of Jesus of whom the Spirit of God hath said Give her blood to drink for she is worthy And we have this testimony in our Conscience towards the most blood-thirsty of you That we had rather see your repentance than that Scripture fulfilled upon you though these words E. B. might use in obedience to the same Spirit to those who continue in that spiritual Babylon And for any Quaker way-laying the Minister of Cowwould as thou calls him justling him by the way and drawing his sword half way We say This is as false as the rest and the Minister himself thou mentionest denies it and said If it was spoken concerning him he would give his hand against it before Humph Killingbeck and Rob. Thornden who went to him properly about that businesse to enquire it out And thus thy false accusations returns upon thy own head to thy shame As that open falshood concerning William Naylor brother to James coming into Savoy Church as thou calls it and there bellowing and affrighting the people that they ran away c. When as Iames Naylor had never a brother that ever came in London nor within above fifty miles of it Oh shamelesse Man it is time for thee to conceal thy name when thou undertakes such a work as is all along in this thy book wherin is a loathsomnesse to any sober Spi●it to follow thee in thy lies or read them after thee so we leave many of them unmentioned in particular as knowing they need no further answer but the savor they carry in themselves towards every sober mind that reads them As for Mary Todd comming into the B●ll and Mouth pulling up her coats and walking up and down the room and using base expressions whilst some of the Quakers were speaking To this we say she neither was nor is any Quaker but a Ranter who came thither to oppose the Quakers as many unclean spirits have done nor was this action done in our Meeting our Meeting not being that day in that place So this is like the rest Again thou mentionest things which thou callest our Opinions and thy charge in general is That let our tenents be never so diametrically opposite to the written verity yet we will father it upon the Spirit of truth and will make him the Inspirer of these falsities and that we make Christ the light within us to hold out palpable darkness To which we say As thy charge is general and signifies little so it is false for by the Spirit of Truth and Christ the light within us do we witnesse the verity fulfilled and not contradicted and by the same are we made opposite to the Spirit of darknesse and all its false worships And though we may say that the Spirit of Christ is the same that it was and so not unequal to it self in whom or at what time soever it appears according to the Measure of his appearance yet is he ever the Spirit of Truth and not against verity whether written or spoken but is the same that leads into a●l Truth as of himself he bears testimony and we must say that his speaking in his living Temples is of greater Authority with
since his eternal Power broke forth and was manifest amongst us hath he done great things in the Earth for he hath prepared his way and made it plain before the face of all people by the appearance and testimony of his eternal light in their hearts which hath not only the●e shined but is broken forth into a life of Righteousness in many whom the Lord hath accounted worthy to be his Servants in his work to raise up a seed unto Jacob and to gather the dispersed of Israel and Juda both Jews and Gentiles into the Covenant of Light and Life with the Father from whence the● are erred by transgression and for the accomplishing of this Work and Service hath the Lord furnished us with Spiritual Weapons to war even against Spiritual wickednesse in high places 2 Cor. 10.4 5. And against the Rulers of the Darknesse of ●his world Ephes. 6.12 which hath appeared under many Forms and Governments since the breakings forth of truth in this Nation Yea many Heads or Governments hath been raised up and cast down again by one Hand and Power and have all from the Lord through his Servants had a word of Wisedom and Councel ministred unto them what they should do that they might be established which if they did not the Lord would break them to pieces which word of the Lord was fulfilled upon them all And every divers Head had a Horn in it to push at the Lambs of Christ withall and at every appearance of his Spirit and Power in his People but for his Elect sake was their daies shortned and his breakings and destruction came upon them according to his word spoken to them by his Servants at divers times And it is to be observed as the Lords doing and ordering by his mighty Power that with in these eight years since we have been persecuted and cruelly used for the name and Testimony of Jesus and the Answer of a pure Conscience there hath been twelve Changes of Government in this Nation which have all of them more or lesse been guiltie of our Sufferings either in acting against us or in suffering others to act cruelly and not endeavouring to restrain them when they had power in their hands to do it and the sufferings laid before them who suffered for Righteousnesse sake so that they could not plead Ignorance but was left without excuse which now in the day of their misery and tribulation some of them do consider it when their time is no more 1. As first in the time of the Long-Parliament in the year 1652. although many pretended some prayed and some fought for Liberty of Conscience in matters of Religion and yet at that time were we imprisoned beat and persecuted for obeying and worshipping our God in Spirit and Truth according to his teaching and at that time the Priests Rage begun to burn like fire and they run one unto another and kindled the wrath in one another against the Truth even to petition against the spreading of it and those that walked in it as a dangerous thing and they generally with one consent called the Truth Heresie Delusion and Blasphemy and those that ministered it abroad they called Ring-leaders of Sects as in the Apostles daies there was the like example But these was warned in their day not to persecute the Innocent nor to uphold those that preached for filthy lucre who served not the Lord Jesus Christ but their own Bellies But they hearkned not to the Council of the Lord but shut their ears against his Instructions therefore was their day taken from them and their Power given to another that they also might be tryed 2. In the year 1653. a Council of State was called by O.C. but they did nothing to take off the weight of oppression in the Nation neither in Spiritual nor Civil things for Pride and the deceiptfulnesse of Riches entred into their hearts that they did not regard nor set themselves wholly to do that which the Lord did require of them although they were warned of God in their time yet the Yoke of the oppressor was not taken away but under it the Nation groaned and they wrought no deliverance in the earth 3. Then the Little Parliament sat in the same year and there was a plant of Righteousnesse tending towards some equity and freedom springing up in them but the strength of deceipt and subtilty in others did Quench it before it brought forth any thing to perfection and in that time the Priests fierce persecuting Zeal was so inflamed that many Petitions from several parts of the Nation was presented against the Quakers to the Parliament and their continual clamor Petitions and Addresses and they being regarded and harkned unto was one cause of the continuance of the Nations bondage and oppression and God never prospered such as received them into their Councils or gave heed to their reports but a Curse and Destruction alwaies followed them in their undertakings whose ear was open unto such things And in the time of this Power and Government was persecution continued about Religion though much was pretended to the contrary they also were warned and wisely counselled in their day and so was left without excuse 4. Again in the same year was O.C. made Protector who had his day and power in his hand to have done good and to have done that which he and others pretended but he joyning with the covetous Priests and their Interests to make his arm strong thereby betrayed the Lord and his People into the hands of sinners And insteed of removing Persecution he caused new Acts to be made to Persecute by and so brought a Curse upon himself and Family and Tribulation upon those that trusted in him And the Lord did often visit him with reproofs and instructions untill he hardened his heart against all reproof and then was he given up of the Lord and of his People to his appointed end as an Example to all Hypoc●ites and Treacherous ones 5. Again his second Parliament was called and sat in the year 1654. in their daies was not the Land eased nor freed from its bondage and when they had let in the Priests Spirit and was insensed against the Truth and intending to make Laws to Persecute then were they broken and their power taken from them who in their day was warned but did not the thing which the Lord required of them 6. Oliver's 3d. Parliament which consisted of two Houses sat in the year 1657. they more than any of the rest did draw back into that which they had declared against and they let in the P●iests Persecuting Spirit and made Laws for Persecution and many were Imprisoned in the time of their Government because for Conscience sake they could not pay Tithes to the Hireling Priests and because they could not Swear contrary to Christs command Mat. 5. And they had many warnings and admonitions from the Lord which they rejected and so the Lord rejected them as from doing
bad watchmen and idle shepheards who have lost all if suddain help come not from another hand now if some had come against you with carnal weapons then had you had some excuse in crying to the earthly powers but in ●hat nothing but spirit comes against spirit and yet hath lost the day this doth clearly manif●st the power of God you have not in you but have lost the kingdom of the most high and so are become unreasonable men who would have two weapons against one and another to do your work and yet are unwilling to forego your wages yea this advantage you have had divers years but have not prevailed therewith And whereas then sayst thy book is of great consequ●nce an●●o then presum●s to make King Charles the patron of it and th●n ask●s pardon for thy presumption when thou hast don● I say so thou hast n●ed the substance of thy bo●k being made up of false acc●●ations gathered up out of books formerly written against us which have been disproved by answers several times over and to these thou hast added som few accusations as false as the old and spied out the failings of som few who have mourned before God that ever they should give occasion to the enemy of God so to blaspheme And many things which was done and spoken by others who are not of us nor ever was and of this is thy book made up as any may see who reads it and our severall Answers to the charges therein many of them of severall years standing against these false accusations which have most of them been printed over and over and presented to the former powers that have risen and as oft Answered so there needed no more to be said then hath been were it not for the sakes of some who may yet be strangers to your way of dealing towards us under every power that hath been now discretion will say that to make another man the father of such a work to which he is a stranger but especially a King is presumption indeed rashness and folly and needs a pardon And whereas you now say that none but a Royall Authority can stifle It s true you have tryed Parliaments and Protectors as you called them and Parliaments again and to make them then work for you your Priests used these arguments to them to wit that in the late wars they had exposed lives liberties estates and relations with all personall advantages in maintaining the just proceedings of Parliament and from them you then claimed our stiflings as the price of your p●ayers purses hazards losses banishment and blood as may be read in thy Westmoreland petition against us which thou hast printed in Page 197. and 198. And was not this power that which you then called the common enemy in the same petition Page 200. Which you now cry too and would put him upon that work against us now as defender of your faith c. Ah! faithless generation you have been to God and man may you not shame with this work to print it and send it to King Charles and call him to defend it and patronize it how hath envy bereaved you of your reasonable senses shall he who defends this defend either faith or truth but this is that you may cover your selves with your shame and envy that both King and people and Parliaments may see what a generation you are that will run under any power to get your bloody ends but indeed true to none for if it was true that you was so faithful to that Parliament with your prayers purses and blood as there you plead then is your faith but new which now you would have defended but if not true then how great deceivers and how little to be trusted or defended in your crueldesignes The King that faithfully judges the poor his throne shall be established for ever But if a ruler hearken to lyes all his servants are wicked Prov. 29.12.14 And to thee who hath set forth this book of mischief I say with the Soripture Lay not wait O wicked man against the dwelling of the Righteous spoil not his resting place f●r a just man falleth seven times and riseth up again but the wicked falls into mischief Prov. 24.15 16. J. N. THe day is come that the Scripture is fullfilled which the Lord spake by his Prophet Isaiah●4 25 That he will make the Diviners mad and that they shall every one be ashamed of his Vision Zack 13.4 Micah 6.7 the which doth now evidently appear and their Folly is made manifest unto all that will see and behold it according to 2 Tim. 3.9 And is not this manifest Madnesse and Folly in them called Orthodox and Divines to present unto the King their Packet of lyes which have been seven years told over and so long since disproved and confuted as may be seen in a Book called Sauls Errand c. Printed in the year 1654. and in several other Books since It already hath been and i● now manifest unto all men of sober understandings that these men falsly called Orthodox and Divines have had no defence either to vindicate themselves or disprove the people called Quakers but this refuge of lyes which they first presented to the Parliament sitting in 52. likewise to all other Parliaments which have been since that time and to the two Protectors and now to this present King i● directed and you presumptuously charge him to be the Patron to it requiring him to defend those lyes which you falsly call the Faith But this we know according as it is written Prov. 29.12 19. that If a Ruler hearken to lies all his Servants are wicked but a wise King scattereth the wicked and bringeth the Wheel over them These pretended Divines are such as have bowed and crowched under every appearance of a power by Flatteries seem to cleave unto them that they might uphold maintain and satisfie their God which is their Bellies these were of them which said that Oliver Cromwell was the light of their Eyes and the breath of their Nostrils so that now with shame they might rather confesse that they are blind and dead from the light and life of God than to multiply lyes in their accustomed manner as formerly These also were of them that said Oliver Cromwell was Moses who had led them into a fight of the good Land and that Richard his Son was Joshua which should lead them into the Possession but we with many more do see that their Ho●e is false and their Faith also proved vai● and that they are not yet in the Land of Promise for there no lyars comes And those former Rulers hearkening to their lyes was decei●●d by them which was the cause of Gods Judgements and an utter destruction coming upon them which while they put into the Priests Mouths they cryed peace unto them calling them Moses Aaron and Joshua but when they ceased and could not put into their Mouths then cryed out
Christ hath given to some discerning of Spirits and the Spiritual man judgeth all things as saith the Scripture 1 Cor. 2.15 1 Cor. 12.10 and this Privilege the Saints had by the Spirit of Christ in them and the same we witness every one according to our measure as we have received the same Spirit 1 Cor. 11 12. And thou chargest one Nicholas Kate to have said 1. That Mariage was made by man 2. that Christians were worse than Beasts 3. that any woman was as free to him as his Wife 4. that his Wife was no Wife of his she was a Limb of the Devil 5. that he was holy and all things that he touched were holy 6. that when the fullness of time was come he should work Miracles To which we say the man we know not neither the truth of thy Accusations for they may be as false of him in these things as thou art found in many other things concerning others yet to the first of these we say that though true Mariage be of God and that which hath his blessing yet there be too many Mariages at this day made without God in the lust To the 2d we say that there be many who are called Christians that by nature are worse than Beasts and b● practise also though none deserve the name of Christians truly but such as are in Christ Jesus and being sanctified by his Spirit such are holie as saith the Scripture ●or the rest we leave it as that which is none of ours Thou further accuses us for saying that the Redeemer of man is not that Person the Son of man that dyed at Jerusalem but the light which is in everie particular man c. To which we say thy Accusation is false for we own no other Redeemer but that Person the Son of God that dyed at Jerusalem who is the light within us and the light of the world as he said of himself Iohn 8.12 though this be a mystery to thee and tha● which has been hid from Ages even Christ in us the hope of glory Col. 1. Again thou accusest us for saying The Scripture is not the way to find out the knowledge of Christ but a turning the mind within c. To which we say Christ is the way the light and the life and no man comes to the knowledge of him but by the Father Mat. 11.27 nor to the knowledge of the Father but by him though men without both may read the Letter as the Jews did whom thou tells on and their searching of the Scripture who for all that never came to the knowledge of Christ nor would they come to him that they might have life So ignorant is flesh and blood of his way and knowledge from the Letter and therefore we do say that without first turning to the light and Spirit of Christ there is no comming to him nor his knowledge Luke 10.22 And for the Blasphemies thou chargest against us as first that we say we are equal with God as holy just and good as God himself and this thou sayes was affirmed by George Fox and James Naylor before Witnesses To which J. N. sayes thy Charge is utterly false concerning me who in the presence of God can say that I never spoke these words secr●t nor open nor did it ever enter into my heart so to think of my self It is true George Fox was accused at Lancaster of saying that he was equal with God and to his Answer we refer you for satisfaction as it is in Sauls errand Page 10 11. Which answer is in these words Answ. That was not so spoken but that he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are of one and the Saints are all one in the Father and the Son of his Flesh and of his Bone this the Scripture doth witnesse and ye are the Sons of God and the Father and the Son are one and they that are joyned to the Lord are one Spirit 1 Cor. 6.17 they that are joyned to an Harlot a●e one fl●sh But as for saying he was as holy just and good as God himself this was never charged upon him And many other such false charges are laid upon us which we are not guilty of and which there is no proof for from our words or writings as that we should say that we are more perfect than Christ and that Christ is a sinner and that we should call the Apostles carnal men with other things of that nature which wee neither thought spoke nor writ and so these things being disowned and disproved by us is returned back again to be condemned with the accuser of the brethren from whence they did arise Again as concerning the dispute at Cambridge which thou mentions in the Fanatick History put forth by T. S. that is answered and his false accusations disproved by George Whitehead in a book called The Key of Knowledge not found in the Vniversity of Cambridge which is to be sold at the Black spread-Eagle in Martyns And also the false Relation of the disputation at Sandwich is answered and the truth of it clearly declared Again concerning thy relation in the 11. Chapter of the Phanatique History of the Petition of divers Ministers in Westmerland c. the substance of clamors therein expressed and the charges against G●o Fox and Ja. Nailor is fully answered to satisfaction of those that desire to understand the Truth in a book called Sauls Errand which is to be sold at the B●ack spread Eagle at the West end of Pauls And as for thy Narrative of publick proceedings against the Quakers in divers Counties and Cities and how they were imprisoned without the breach of any Law and for speaking the word of the Lord as they were moved and because they could not swear and because they were signs against pride these things doth all testifie for us how innocently we have suffered and how unchristianlike they have been that have so persecuted us for doing the will of God in love to their souls who have thus hated us And our being so hated persecuted and imprisoned by the Powers that have ruled in this Nation do plainly shew unto those of understanding that they have wanted the Spirit of Christ Love Meeknesse Mercyfulness and have shewed Cruelty without Mercy therefore the same measure which they have given unto others is justly come upon themselves and he that would provoke the Magistrates now to persecution as others that have gone before them they would bring them into the same Cause of Condemnation for which the Lord God might justly cut them off as he hath done others which would not be warned in their day untill their time was no more A short Relation of the twelve Changes of Government that hath been in England within these 8. years under all of which we have suffered Persecution SInce by the Lord we were called chosen and separated to be his People and had unto us committed the word of Reconciliation and
us and all the living whom he hath quicked with his appearance than the reading of the letter was or is to them who are without him being dead in their sinnes and reprobate in their understandings through the darkness of their hearts reading the Scriptures without the Spirit that gave them forth and this may answer thy accusation of George Whitehead and the question that was asked him And for thy seeking to make us as the Papists First in that the Pope to them is an Infallible Judge Secondly Written traditions equal to the written word We answer What is that to us who deny both the Pope his infallibility and his traditions they are none of them binding unto us look you to that who have the remainder of that Idolatry yet upon you in several things which might be instanced But blind man what a Comparison is this of thine Is it become an offence to say the Spirit of Christ is infallible and to confesse him come who leads into all truth Are we Papists in thy account for this You have too long made people follow you while you have been without that Spirit and little else have you to teach people but traditions who have not the Infallible Spirit to lead you in your worships and doctrine And so thy accusation I return upon thy own head And we can say no lesse of the Spirit of Truth and his word at this day than the holy Men of God have ever done in whom he hath appeared to wit that he is the same and his power the same and his word the same which liveth for ever and by which we now are armed and strengthned to withstand as great wickednesse and enlightened to see as great deceit in Teachers and people at this day we have cause to believe as ever appeared in the World from which we could not be delivered by our own wisdom reading or hearing of the letter till God sent the Spirit of Truth in the name of Jesus into us to enlighten our understanding in the Scriptures and against all spiritual wickednesse and deceitfull worships to quicken us with his power so to us he is the power and to him is the glory and the confession who liveth for ever and his dayes waxeth not old nor his voice feeble nor his arm short because many generations passe away before him and this is he that was before the letter who can work without the letter or with it and this is he whom men that know not have often opposed at his coming and have been broken for it though they professed the letter and this may answer thy accusation of George Fox or any other who have spoken any thing in the honor of his Appearance the power of his world or the danger of them that oppose it in this his day as well as formerly though we boast not of the fullnesse of our measure herein that is but thy accusation And for thy accusation that we deny the Personal body of Christ His coming in the Clouds to Judgement The visible Church And thy saying we are against Scriptures and against Ordinances against Sabbaths taking no notice of the moralitie of the fourth Commandement That we say the Doctrine of Original Corruption is a Soul-destroying God-blaspheming Doctrine That we are against Justification and Religiou● Education c. These are but thy false accusations not our Judgement nor our words but thou hast gathered the false accusations of the Priest● of New-Castle and other slanderous Spirits and this is the ground proof and foundation of thy Charge which hath been several times answered over-turned in the first rising of them as may be seen in the Answers to The perfect Pharisee and Sauls Errand and in a Book called The Pits mouth stopt by Fran. Howgill and several other Books to be seen in which your Folly is made manifest and what we own which is according to Scripture and what we deny which is your traditions and false worships never set up by God nor practised by his people to which Books we refer the Reader for full satisfaction herein And also in a book called Love to the Last by J. N. wherein these things are plainly spoken of And thou stumbles at the light as all the children of darkness must do And thou sayes we are strangely confused and know not well how to distinguish c. We say the confusion is in thy self and thy dark minde and not in us we stumble not who walk in light but all that walk in darknesse and hates the light must needs stumble as thou dost but to us is the light known and him that dwells in it to whom no mortal eye can approach blessed for ever and this is our all and the Nations of them that are saved must walk in it the power that we have in it we know the want we have had without it we know so we speak glorious things of the light and preach it before all its enemies without amazement for therein is the arm of God revealed mighty to save though many cannot receive our report but hates it because their deeds are evil as thou dost who calls it a natural Conscience and then saies we find Christ called the light and of him said that he lighteth every one that cometh into the world Is not here the Confusion and Jumble thou tells on in thy own dark old Bottle who cannot retain his Testimony but calls the light of Christ natural who thy self art the natural man that receives not the things of the spirit of God now the testimony that the Scriptures gives of him who is the light of the world whom we make our all as thou saiest And for that of perfection Thou charges us for saying that those that have received Christ and God are come to perfection and that all such as are in Christ are without sin To which we say yea he that comes to God and Christ comes to perfection and to him that is able to save from sin to the uttermost and he that abides in Christ sins not as saith the Scritures Heb. 7.25 1 John 3.6 and this perfection is in Christ and not of our selves and so is this freedom also and to him it is given and confessed and not to flesh and blood nor any carnal appearance But what seed art thou of to whom perfection and sanctification is so offensiv● which Christ and his Ministers commanded and preached And as to discerning Thou accuseth us for saying That the Saints by the Spirit that is in them can judge mens hearts and that such judging is Christs judging of them and that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints and for this accusation thou quotes Naylors Answer to Pendarvis Wherein thou wrongs Naylor for he doth not say that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints nor that People may judge mens hearts by every Spirit that is in them but this we say that the Spirit of