blood of Christ and they that discern not this body eat and drink their own damnation he that hath an eare to hear let him hear and under his Banner we fight against the Beast false Prophet Deceivers and all the Nations of the world now united together against him Our weapons being not carnall but spirituall mighty through God to the casting down of strong holds and high imaginations whose daily Crosse we witness to be the great power of God to salvation who lives and dwels in us and whose peace none can ever take from us and who shall dash his enemies in pieces and grinde them to powder before whom Nobles doth bow and Kings cast down their Crowns whose scepter is a scepter of righteousnesse and of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end unto whom be glory for ever and ever And this is the truth spoken from our hearts the Lord bearing us witnesse and this is the true way decreed by God for attaining of justification which we have seen and heard and are witnesses of and is no principle of delusion but held by us truly as it is in Jesus according to the Scriptures of truth and so Thomas Collier hath wronged the innocent for which he must account Another of the particulars falsly charged on us is that we have set up another way for the attaining of Justification that is by Quaking c. This is onely affirmed in his Dialogue but no proof mentioned and in his Glasse he endeavours thus to prove it that this is true is evident and apparent in that they have affirmed that their Quaking is the spirit of burning through which all must passe to enter into Righteousnesse and Justification c. Let the Reader minde this proof he saith it is evident and apparent by what evidence If persons will take an impudent false affirmation for proof then it is evident and apparent but not otherwise by what is produced he saith they have affirmed it who is it what particular person we and many others deny it and own no other way but what we have already declared and it 's very likely if he had heard such a thing from any particular person he would have mentioned it in his Dialogue or his Glasse and so he appeals to the understanding for judgment but we say he that judges this a proof to say they have affirmed it is void of understanding And if T. C. had not been blinded with envy arrogancy and impudency he would rather have confest his lye then have persisted in his obstinacy but at last he calls I. N. to justifie this in his answer to the Dialogue Now this must be granted that the Dialogue was published before there could be an answer to it and the charge was laid in the Dialogue and so laid without proof or cause And can any one in reason take J. Naylers Book for a witnesse when in that Book he returns this to be one of the Lyes charged by T. C. on the people called Quakers and no such words in his Book as to say that the Quakers have set up another way to attain Justification by that is by quaking c. He alledges the 15 page but there is no such thing affirmed This he saith that all that do declare the way they came to God witnesse quaking or trembling and all that knew the word of God trembled at it Do he here say that the Quakers have set up quaking as a way to attain Justification T. C. might blush at such impudency if he had not got a forehead that could not Another lye by T. C charged on us is that we have outed Christ in the great work of justification and no lesse then trample under foot the blood of the covenant counting it an unholy thing or at least too unholy to look to it or expect justification by it this he affirms in his Dialogue Now in his Glasse to prove it he saith if the preaching of it be Stories and Blasphemy this is a trampling of it under foot c. And if Sanctification and Mortification be the fulfilling of the Law and the creatures justification then the blood of Christ is laid aside For answer we say that T. C. and such as he makes the preaching of it a story If any in taking upon them to preach Justification by the blood of Christ to other while abominations reign in their own souls and are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity as is exprest in Tiverton writing before mentioned and as for Sanctification and Mortification to be the fulfilling of the Law and the Creatures justification is not proved by T. C. that the people called Quakers own any such thing but we say such as imagine to themselves a Justification without Sanctification and Mortification shall be scattered in their imaginations being no other but filthy Dreamers deceivers and being deceived and are blinde leaders of the blinde and shall all fall into the pit together Now consider what greater Agents can the Devil have for his Kingdome then such who preach to others or expect to themselves Justification without Sanctification and Mortification taking and what in them lies giving liberty to themselves and others to live in lust but the grace we own and witnesse teacheth us to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and so Justification Sanctification and Mortification is all the work of God by Christ and none may conclude they have one without all Faith without works being dead As for our owning the blood of Christ we refer it to what we have said in our answ to the first particular But T.C. goes on in his wickedness adding sin to sin lye to lye and saith pa. 3. it further appears in that all that will own them must deny all their faith and justification in Christ crucified Verily except thou repent God will smite thee thou lying tongue he will destroy thee for ever he will take thee away and pluck thee from thy dwelling place and root thee out of the land of the living and give thee thy portion with lyars who hast herein out-stript all that have gone before thee that have come to our view If thou canst produce one example that ever any were invited to own or refused to be owned by us on any such termes or let shame and confusion cover thee for ever But he is still running on in his lying false accusing like the horse into the battel saying hence it is they judg and condemn all but themselves because they have found out another righteousness So that indeed and in truth they account the blood of the Covenant too unholy for them to look at for justification neither do they ever teach remission of sins by faith in the blood of Jesus Very many people can in this bear testimony against thee and surely we say didst thou know that blood and faith in it thou wouldst witnesse victory over and cleansing from those abominable lies Now let any rational
of Christ we own them so but to raile at any we deny unlesse you will call such Language as Peter spoke to Simon Magus spoken by the same spirit to be railing and with them have we unity but against thee and such as thou art do we bear testimony for severall reasons they were redeemed from all Iniquity but ye are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity The grace of God had taught them to deny ungodlinesse c. Your abhominations reigne they were saved by the vvashing of Regeneration but your sin hath eaten out all the Divine svveetnesse of regenerating and sanctifying grace and so by their fruits of holinesse were known to be what they profest but your works of wickednesse deny God though in words you confesse him witnesse Tiverton writing and Paul bids Timothy stir up the gift that was in him Query 10. Why is it not lawfull for Saints now to be raised on in the way of holinesse by imitation or example and as a meanes or a help as well as in the Primitive times according to these Scriptures Mat. 11.29 John 13.14,15 Phil. 3.17 2 Thes 3 9. Answ Christ is given for an example and is a perfect pattern for his to follow and the Saints are to be followed while they walk so as they have him for example but the word Imitation we finde not in the Scripture nor the practice as we take it unlesse the Magicians of Aegypt the sons of Sceva and such like and the Scriptures beforementioned we own Query 11. Whether it be not a cunning device of Satan to judge and condemn all the Saints to be formall and without the spirit of Christ that walke in the Ordinances of Christ on purpose to cause contempt and reproach upon both Christ and his Ordinances Answ Yea it is and as cunning a device likewise of Satan to perswade persons in a form that they are Saints walk in the Ordinances of Christ are set for the defence of the Gospel and yet abhominations reign in them iniquities apparently written in their fore-heads and are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity while they confesse to wait for the counsell of the Lord. Now such as come to the Light of the world and follow it are led out of both into the practice of the true Ordinance and worship whch is in Spirit and Truth Query 12. Whether as the Ministry of the legall Ministration was to open the law of that Ministration Nehem. 8.4.8 So the Ministers of the Gospel are not to have respect to the written rule of the Gospel and to open and apply the same rightly dividing the word of truth according to 2 Tim. 3.15,16,17 Answ The true Ministers of the Gospel are not Ministers of the Letter but of the Spirit and they know the Law written in the heart and have the anointing dwelling in them whose teaching they are to follow and speak as the spirit gives them utterance and then they rightly divide the word of truth Query 13. Whether if any speak not according to the Law and the Testimony it is not because there is no light in them Isa 8.20 Answ They that speak not according to the Law and the Testimony are turned from the light for the Law is light and the Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy 14. Qu. If all have the true light in them which leads to God why doth the Apostle say Ephes 5.8 Ye were sometimes darknesse but now are ye light in the Lord Answ The true light lighteth every man that cometh into the world He was in the world and the world knew him not but unto as many as received him unto them he gave power to become the sons of God and the light shined in the darknesse when the darkness comprehends it not but a time is witnessed that God commands the light to shine out of darknesse Qu. 15. Whether Christs ascending into heaven when he was taken up in a clond Acts 1.10 be meant that he ascended into the hearts of men Answ It is meant as it is spoken and the Saints have their conversation in heaven and are in Christ and Christ in them John 17. 16 Qu Whether his sitting at the right hand of God making intercession for the Saints be in the hearts of Saints or in heaven Answ The glorious God at whose right hand Christ sits fils heaven and earth and dwells in the Saints whose conversation is in heaven as the Scriptures witnesse 17 Query Whether the Scriptures do not make a reall distinction between Jesus Christ and the Spâ—…t John 16.13,14 Chap. 14.26 Chap. 5.39 Answ The Scriptures testifie that Christ is the Word and that the Father Word and Spirit are one 18 Query Whether God or the Spirit be at all called man or the Son of man the seed of David as Christ is and whether you own Christ to be indeed truly a man of flesh and blood as we are according to Heb. 2.14 Answ Christ is called the Son of Man and he saith I and the Father are one And unto us a Son is borne his name is the mighty God c. And unto the Son he saith Thy throne O God c. And the man Christ Jesus do we own and his flesh and blood do we witnesse which is meat indeed and drink indeed Yea him we own according to Heb. 2.14 but not as you are for he was perfect without spot without sin but ye are wicked your abhominations reigne are drawing Iniquity with cords of vanity Iniquity apparently written in your foreheads as by your own confession appears in Tiverton writing but in his mouth was found no guile Now the wicked think that God is like unto them but he will reprove them and set their sins in order before them 19 Qu. Why the Saints if perfest as you pretend were so much in the sense of sin and confession of it as we finde they were Ps 32.5 Isa 6.5 Rom. 7.24 25. Answ The Saints as they declared a sense of sin so also a purging healing and deliverance from sin as Isa David Paul and others whom the Scriptures witnesse and as they confessed so they forsook and found mercy 20 Qu. Whether a lowly self denying frame of the spirit sensible of finne and corruption and warring against it be not the frame of spirit that most of all becomes the Saints and is most approved of God in Scripture as Isa 57.15 Mat. 5.3 Rom 7.24,25 Answ We know that the Lord dwells with him that is of a contrite spirit and an humble heart and the poor in spirit are blessed and are approved of God even they and onely they that deny selfe daily but there is no peace to the wicked and they do not war against sin whose abhominations reign but they war against Christ who are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity 21 Query Whether this temper of spirit be found in you yea or nay Answ Yea lowly self-denying and truly poor For we suffer the losse of our
But he goes on in his old way saying That they will not enter unless they may enter by their own righteousness and not by the blood of the Covenant First by the blood of the Covenant you will not enter that is clearly often proved We say it hath been falsely charged but never yet proved for Christ Jesus we witnesse to be a Covenant of Light and an entrance into the Kingdome which is everlasting by faith in his blood to us is administred by which we are redeemed from our former vain conversation and from whom we receive power and strength to do his will and not our own who of God is made unto us wisdome righteousness sanctification and redemption He further sayes Then it must be by your own righteousnesse if you expect to enter but in truth you never look to come there We answer as before an entrance is freely administred unto us into the kingdome which is everlasting but not by our own righteousnesse for we suffer the losse of it with our bodily exercises will-worship voluntary humilities with vain imitations forms and traditions which we sometimes lived in while short of the life which none knows but they that hath the Son in whose righteousnesse alone we now stand and rejoyce in the losse of our own that we might be found alone in him in whom is acceptance the will the deed and the power is onely his and so is the glory for ever And then T. C. brings these words of J. N. There is a seed to which the promise of Redemption is c. Doth not the Apostle say the same in effect The promise is to the seed not seeds as of many c And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed c. J. N. also saith All who know the redemption of Christ by his precious blood are redeemed from the vain conversation c. And much more he hath to the same purpose wherein he clearly and fully declares that he owns Justification and Redemption of persons not by their own rigteousnesse but by the blood of Christ and so the witnesse Th. Collier produces for him is found to give testimony against him Another charge against us is That we leave the weighty things of faith and obedience to the Laws and Ordinances of Christ as vile and contemptible And for his proof he saith This is a truth there needs no proof But we say this is a lye that cannot be proved But he goes on with his work saying Else what means not onely their leaving undone the Ordinances of Christ as Baptisme Church-fellowship breaking of bread c. Even the whole profession of the faith of the Gospel but reproaching it and those who in faithfulnesse to Jesus Christ walk in obedience to Christ therein Now this we say as before the Ordinances of Christ do we own and his dayly cross do we witness yea one Baptism even the Baptism of Christ have we received and are baptized into his death and the fellowship of his sufferings being content patiently to suffer with him for a while that we may reign with him for ever yea and Church fellowship are we brought into and live in where our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ where all the faithfull feeds at one Table and drinks of one Fountain being heirs of one inheritance and the life and power of the Gospel do we partake of and far from reproaching it or any others the Lord is our witness for by him are we taught better things and all those who in faithfulnesse obey him we dearely own and in the life have unity with but such as we find making a profession of the name of Christ his Ordinances the Faith of the Gospel and obedience to him and know not his voice but are setting up their own inventions imitating such as went before without their Authority and knows not the true Faith which purifies the heart gives victory over sin and the World but are drawing Iniquity with cords of vanity abhominations reigning not Christ iniquities apparently written in their foreheads not the Fathers name these are they who professe God in words but in deeds deny him against all such do we bear testimony and let such as names the name of Christ depart from Iniquity for because of such things is the wrath of God revealed and let all those who professe the faith of the Gospel shew it by their vvorks of Righteousness and not live in vvorks of vvickedness for vve dare not count them clean vvhich are vvicked but in the name and fear of the Lord vve say vvo unto them that call evil good and good evil that put darknesse for light and light for darknesse and are dravving Iniquity vvith cords of vanity Then he produces J. N. in his love to the Lost concerning Baptisme where he saith their forms of Water and God cannot be limited to any form or rudiment now J. N. is speaking of such as keep themselves disputing and jangling about outward ceremonies in an imitation of Johns Ministry calling it the Baptism of Christ but so far from the power of Christ or John as not come to the form of either and saith their form of Water and God cannot be limitted c. And we say such may well be called formes of Water who are thus taking on them forms but are from the life and power as their own Confession witnesse Tiverton writing T.C. further saith let them not think this will be a good excuse for them in the great day of the Lord that we took them up from the Letter to which we say the day is come that they that worship God must worship him in Spirit and in truth and for all your litteral obedience you are no better then those of whom the Lord speaks Isa 1. While your abhominations are thus reigning your iniquities apparently written in your foreheads and you drawing it with cords of vanity and are mockers of God formall in holy duties and the World like a canker hath eaten out all the divine sweetness of regenerating sanctifying grace c. as witnesse your own confession in Tiverton writing ' hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voyce of the Lord wash you make you clean c. but T.C. farther saith God can and doth limit his people to a visible Rule and order wherein they shew their faith in him love to him and his Authority over them c. We say that God hath according to his promise tent the spirit of truth which guides his people into all truth and put his Law in their hearts and written it in their inward parts c. And this the Saints in scripture witnessed and by it were kept unto him with whom we give in this testimony that the spirit of truth is come which guides into all truth and all those who are led by it are the Sons of God and so of the
Truth Vindicated AND The Lyars Refuge swept away Being an Answer to a Book set forth by THOMAS COLLIER called A Looking-glasse for QVAKERS and also to some particulars in a Book of his called A Dialogue c. Wherein the truth is cleared from those Slanders and Reproaches by him cast upon it and the Refuge of Lies swept away and upon tryal himself found guilty of many of those Evils which he hath falsely charged upon the INNOCENT Also an Answer to his Queries in the end of the Book called A Looking-glasse c. with some Queries returned to him to be answered Together with an Epistle to the people called Baptists with whom we sometimes fed on Husks But now are brought to the Fathers house where there is BREAD enough Published by us who love truth in the inward parts and are now called forth by the Lord to bear testimony against Deceit Unrighteousnesse and deeds of Darkness who have long wandered upon the barren mountains running from mountain to hill but now have heard the voyce of the good Shepherd and are brought to the true fold and known to this generation by the names of John Pitman Jasper Batt The lip of truth shall be established for ever But a lying tongue is but for a moment LONDON Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth neer Aldersgate 1658. Truth vindicated and the Lyars Refuge swept away THomas Collier a man long well known unto us who hath for some time profest himselfe a Minister of the Gospel or a Teacher of others saying that he is set for the defence thereof having published a Book which he calls A Dialogue between a Minister of the Gospel and an Inquiring Christian where in truth there was neither in which he undertakes to discuss the principles of the people called Quakers therein setting down several particulars as by them held and guilty of which they deny Neither hath he made any proof thereof but only said it which Book being answered by I. N. and Thomas Collier charged for uttering many Lies against the foresaid people and above fifty of them returned to him for a proof or to rest on his head untill the dreadfull day of account unlesse he timely repent Thereupon he hath published another Book which he calls A Looking-glass for Quakers in which he saith the truths asserted in that Dialogue are clearly proved and James Naylor and the Quakers are proved to be lyers and deceivers Now it is not the truths in that Dialogue if any there which he was called upon for a proof but the lies by him therein invented which yet remain unproved notwithstanding what is by him alleadged Now these Books coming to our view and by us examined and weighed and finding our selves concerned therein we being reputed by him under that name were pressed in spirit to publish this vindication on the Truths behalf which is by us owned and lies and lyars denyed But before we proceed further this is to be observed that we sent him a Letter dated the 19th day of the first moneth 1657. thereby acquainting him that such books we had seen published in his name expressing such particulars which we did declare in the name and fear of the Lord were not owned by us but denyed and the Author to be neither Minister of the Gospel nor Christian but a Lyar slanderer and false accuser And that if he did not disown the said books or confess that he had wronged the truth and us who own it or otherwise reasonably satisfie us in some short time either by word or writing we should as the Lord should direct and order publish our Innocency and some of the Authors wickednesse that so his Sheeps cloathing might no longer hide his wolvish nature Now there being a time and place agreed on and appointed by him and one of us for him to vindicate himself and prove the particulars before mentioned where was a meeting accordingly and where only four of those particulars debated Thomas Collier went away not mentioning any further or other time for debating the rest though it was then and still is by us denyed that what was then by him offered for proof of his Assertions to be any way valued for his purpose And now his Looking-glasse being his only Refuge that we know of which consists much of Lyes must be swept away unto the particulars whereof we are now come 1 That all our principles are delusions 2 That we hold not any principle of truth truly as it is in Jesus Now for proof of these particulars he saith that if that which follows be true then this is true and we may safely conclude that if that which follows be false then so must this That which follows is this that we forsake the true way decreed and ordered of God for the attaining of justification which is by faith in Christ crucified this is charged on the people called Quakers not one or some of them but the people called Quakers Now for proof hereof in his Dialogue he only says it but offers none In his Glasse he alledges James Nayler in his love to the Lost concerning justification where he uses these words That persons are so justified as they are sanctified and mortified and no farther And at other places he severall times expresses Mortification and Sanctification before Justification And at another place That by which the just lives is that by which the creature is justified And so T. C. sayes that it is James Naylers great work to make Sanctification Mortification and Justification to be one and Justification to depend on Sanctification and Mortification The work that we have in hand is not to vindicate persons but truth and if any one should forsake the true way decreed and ordered of God for the attaining of justification Is that a sufficient ground to say the people called Quakers do so Is there any one or more that hath set out any writing by appointment and signed in the name of the people called Quakers as T. C. and others did a writing in the name and by appointment of the Messengers of the Churches at Tiverton the 18th day of the 7th moneth wherein such a thing is declared as to forsake Christ the way to Justification then there might be some ground for such a charge but further the truth declared by James Nayler in this particular we own and he that with an impartial eye views his writing will never finde any such thing by him declared as T. C. falsly charges for J. N. saith that the wisdome of men in the fall finding these severall words in the Scripture hath in their imaginations run them into division and separated that which is in one and cannot be divided in the possession for it is one that worketh all these and that which sanctifies that mortifies and the same justifies and so his drift is not to make Justification to depend on Sanctification and Mortification but all on the just one and so
and Prophets who stole the words c. against whom the true Ministers recorded in the Scriptures were sent by the Lord to bear witnesse and the same is witnessed in this day of the Lord For on him do we wait to know his will and receive his counsell and as he commands we obey and when we have received a word from him and a command to utter it we dare not dispute but obey and speak as the spirit gives utterance and untill then we dare not but be silent for such as runs and the Lord sends not shall not profit the hearers and so not to take a Message that another hath received and run with it when the Lord never commanded us And this also we say the baptisme of Christ we have received and the communion of his body we partake and do discern it even one Lord one Faith one Baptisme And if he shall command us to go into the water and to eate bread and drink wine together we shall be obedient but to do it our selves or administer it to others because some of the Saints did it we dare not unlesse we are commanded of the Lord for such as medled with the things of God and not commanded by him nor as he commanded though some of them might have good intentions in what they did yet the Lord shewed his high displeasure on them by severe punishments and sending his faithfull servants to testifie against them witnesse Nadab and Abihu the men of Bethshemesh Vzza Saul and the false Prophets who stole the words from their neighbour and run when the Lord never sent them And therefore let all such as do things by imitation of the Saints in Scripture or of others who obeyed the commands of God and have not received the like authority as they had feare and tremble and take warning in time lest the Lord make them examples of his wrath and indignation as he hath done others before Now let no envious cavilling or ignorant person slander us and say we deny the Scripture for of the truth thereof are we witnesses And also of the spirit of truth which gave them forth which was and is the Saints guide and leader and dearly do we owne them and this is the truth from our hearts Page 4. Another of his lies charged upon us is That we disown the coming of Christ from heaven And for proof of this he brings E. B. in his Book called The true faith of the Gospel wherein he saith The very Christ of God is within us we dare not deny him c. Now T. C. saith If the very Christ of God be within them he cannot come from heaven E. B. further saying they that are led by the spirit of Delusion shall answer the rest of thy Query by which saith T. C. he gives to understand that those that owns the being in and coming of Christ from heaven and looks for him are led by a spirit of Delusion So that they do not only condemn the generation of the just c. but the Saints of God in the primitive dayes How is this man hasting to fill up his measure of lies and slanders against the innocent Doth E. B. because he saith The very Christ of God is within us deny his coming from heaven Might it not rather have been from thence concluded that he witnessed his coming But T. C. is found adding three lies instead of clearing himselfe of one for he saith that E. B. gives to understand that those that own the being in and coming of Christ from heaven and look for him are led by a spirit of Delusion 2 That we condemn the generation of the just that are now waiting for the Son from heaven 3 And the Saints and servants of God in the Primitive dayes He further saith that it is no part of Naylers Creed in his Love to the Lost the Ascention Intercession and coming of Christ observe Naylers Creed a scoffing vain light spirit the Scripture in him and such like is fulfilled The leaders of the people cause them to erre by their lies and their lightnesse but if J. N. hath not a word of it in that Book is it not blinde impudency therefore to say the people called Quakers deny it And further we answer This is he whom we beare testimony unto who fills all things he that came down from heaven even the Son of man which is in heaven and dwels in us as he did in the Saints in the Primitive dayes whom we now own and witnesse to be our King and Law-giver and are so far from condemning them that we give our testimony with them and leave it to the understanding unprejudiced Reader to judge whether T. C. by saying that Christ was not in the Saints as he did lately at Glastonbury before many witnesses be not found condemning the Saints in the Primitive dayes who said that Christ was in them as Paul and others And also the generation of the just now who are witnesses of his being in them and obedient to his commands and so what he is charging us upon true tryall he is found guilty himself Another of his Lies by him charged on us is That we disown the kingdome of Christ which is the great and blessed promise of the Gospel the faith and hope of Saints for proof hereof he saith If the very Christ be in them he is not in heaven and that Naylor in his Salutation to the seed of God contemptably saith you observe dayes and years persons and forms loe here and loe there and the time and manner of his Reign you are jangling abouts and what a one he shall be all which as T.C. saith declares that he accounts the Reign of Christ so much witnessed in Scripture c. to be but jangling and conceits Now mark the insufficiency absurdity and falsnesse of this proâ—… as if E. B. because he saith the very Christ of God is in us the â—…ore he disowns his kingdome and denies his being in heaveâ—… Might he not as well charge the same on Paul who saith Christ lives in me And Christ himselfe because he useth these words I in them c. in his prayer for the Saints John 17. And if the Saints faith hope be according to Christs prayer who is it that disowns denies the coming and kingdom of Christ according to their faith and hope either E. B. and the people called Quakers who witness Christs being in them according to his prayer promise or T.C. who denies Christs being in the Saints contrary to both He further alleadgeth that J. N. saith you observe dayes and years c. as before exprest We say as before may not T. C. as well charge Paul nay Christ himselfe for disowning his Kingdome and denying his coming whose words were to the same purpose We further answer that this is the King who reigns in righteousnesse and rules in judgement and for such who live in wickednesse have abominations reigning
under sin and all that come truly to know Christ Jesus and faith in his blood know salvation and cleansing from sin who is made manifest to destroy the works of the Devill and to save his people from their sins And we know that God is true and is the avenger and punisher of lyes and Lyers Another of his lyes charged on us is that we destroy civil courtely as God hath commanded it and for proof saith that is proved in the Dialogue and their ovvn practice vvitness it levelling all conditions vvitnesse likevvise Magistrate people Husband Wife Parents Children Master Servant all alike no difference in the Quakers Religion witnesse George for in the latter end of his pretended word to the Gentiles c. he saith all to the light within c. Now mark his proof first he saith its proved in the Dialogue we say it s falsly charged in the Dialogue but no proof offered that we are guilty of it he there mentions several Scriptures which we own neither can he prove us guilty of the breach of one of them he saith also their own practices witnesse it Now if he means the vain practise of this Generation which is usually called Complements many vain wicked words used to no good purpose but in much deceit in pretending service and friendship when the contrary is intended and respect of persons such civil courtesy and vain customes we do deny and bear testimony against and so did the Saints recorded in Scripture The customs of the Heathen are vain and Christs flock were chosen out of the World and bore testimony that their deeds were evil And farther we declare that it is our duty and practise to do good unto all and the several conditions and relations of Magistrates and people Husbands and Wives Parents and Children Masters and Servants we own and practise according to the Scriptures and deny the contrary But he saith witnesse George all to the light within c. as if to direct to the light within were to destroy civil courtesy and level all conditions a wicked conclusion it being so far from destroying conditions and relations before exprest that it preserves them and such as are guided by it know and practise their several duties therein He farther saith a learned piece full of Divinity in Foxes account observe his light and scoffing Spirit the false Leaders mark and this scripture fulfilled in the last dayes shall come scoffers c. But T. C. goes on and concludes his evidence with an addition of many lyes saying that under pretence of perfection they have brought in a Religion made up of infidelity pride disobedience hypocrisy trampling of the blood of Christ under foot c. The truth of this hath been largly manifest in what hath been said and testified before from their own writings words and practises we say what word writing or practise hast thou produced of any of the people who professe and live in the truth that are called Quakers the falseness of what hath been by thee said hath been sufficiently declared by what hath been answered and thou found guilty of that hell-born sin of lying Which is the next particular by him charged on us and for proof saith witnessed that notwithstanding their infidelity pride disobedience c. yet pretend themselves perfect free from sin c. what evidence is this but three lyes produced to prove one for he saith their infidelity pride disobidience c. which is by us denyed and never yet by him proved and so both charge and evidence is sound false and how grosly guilty hereof himself is what hath been before proved against him is sufficient to manifest yet farther he goes on saying the truth of all is made manifest in that light that hath discovered them c. Now how contrary to truth this affirmation is we may leave to the impartial unprejudiced Reader to judge for there is several particulars returned to him by J. N. to rest on his head as lyes for which he offers no proof at all but layes them down in his Dialogue and not mention them in his Glass and how vain and insufficient the evidence by him offered for the rest is found we have sufficiently made manifest and yet he comes with even height of impudency and says the truth of all is made manifest c. And then he leaves it to the Reader saying be impartial and thou wilt be warned of the most dangerous and pernitious Principles that hath appeared c. The truth and true professors of it in former ages met with no better account from the enemies of it a sect every were spoken against Christ himselfe in whom was no guile found yet crucified as a Blasphemer and his Ministers and Servants accounted pestilent fellowes movers of sedition not fit to live such as turned the world up side down and we are not better then they but herein find the Scriptures fulfilled the Disciple is not above his Master c. And we also farther say let the Reader be impertial and we are confident he as many lyes affirmed in that Glasse as ever he saw in so small a volume beside the scoffing light absurd arrogant contradictory confused expressions therein contained And then in the 13. page he saith Naylor in his pretended answer runs over and sets down many particulars but answers none Let his Book herein bear testimony against thee that thou speakest false hath he not answered thee touching perfection the light other particulars as for that catalogue of lyes by thee charged on us and by him returned to thee what answer should be given more then to deny them while thou hast only charged and for the most part not so much as offered any proof for them T. C. farther saith only page 8. he forms something of his own invention c. That is that I did affirm the Scripture was Christ judge if Naylor be not a grevious Lyer to assert such a thing for answer We say there is no such thing asserted by J. N. in that page of his Book nor any other that we find nor any words tending to such a purpose and so still T.C. is found a grievous Lyer to affirm things so notoriously false Pag. 13. He farther saith Christ prayeth for none but such as believe through their word John 17.20 c. If Naylor or any of the Quakers do know of any converted to Christ since that time without a Bible or Ministry from the Bible Let them manifest it if they can c. I say God hath limitted us to a Bible We answer was Paul converted by a Bible or a Ministry from it Was it a Bible or Christ that Peter preached Act. 2.36 when three thousand souls were added to the Church Is it not the same way which he declares that the Prophets prophecyed of and were saved by even him whose day Abraham saw unto whom the Gospel was preached and was the Rock that followed Israel And so the