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A43272	The lambs innocency defended, against lyes and slanders In answer to a second reply of a priest, who is called a minister at Lazonby in Cumberland called Simon Atkinson, who hath shewed his wolfish nature against those people called Quakers; ranking them up with the papists; falsly accusing them of those things which they utterly detest; but his weapons is turned against himselfe by one of the campe of the God of Israel, whose eye is opened in measure, ... working in the shadow of reformation translated into a fairer forme springing from the old corrupt root; and to see the bickerings of the night-armie running on heaps now in the dawning of the day; and the uncircumcised in Heart and Ears in flying from the light, and repoose of the same: and from the alarum of the spirits trumpet which is founded vvithin, for the cutting downe of the man of sin, and for the quenching of his motions. Written in defence of the truth as it is in Jesus, by a foole to the wisdom of this world, who, according to measure, hath tasted and obtained of the wisdome	Helling, Joseph.	1658 (1658)	Wing H1382; ESTC R216631	44,515	52

Commission of the Ministry which was Go teach c. freely yee have received freely give and for his sake who gave this Commition we take pleasure in infirmity as the Apostle did a Cor. 12.10 and some in much patience which signes and wonders and mighty deeds as may be proved to the prayse of the loving God and we doe not make a gain of people as you doe no more then the Apostles did 2 Cor. 12.17.18 neither doe we goo to a Towne or parish to inquire what maintenance there is for a Minister as Tythes Gleabe-Lands c and give them a Sermon or two as you call them of liking But we goe to inquire who fears the Lord and owns the Spirit of God to be their Teacher which Teacher cannot be removed into a corner Isay 30.20 and with such we can take a little meat and drink which the Apostles was Commisioned to receive and here is our joy and proofe not onely in imitation but in life also witnesse a gainst all you who rules as Lords patterns of pride and covetonsnesse learning your Trade and selling your invenitions bearing rule by your weans which is a filthy horrible thing now in England as it was in Ieremiahs days Ier. 5.30 31. Oh ye Priests put it not from you for it sticks fast upon you Pr. And now to the rest of the Quaries I shall onely propose some cousiderations Ans I did but propound foure questions unto thee as in number and thou hast diverted two of them and answered two of them with lyes and true words and false accusations mixed together as one voyd of all sence making no matter what thou speake as is and may be proved Reader this is the querie which is not answered Whether the false Teachers and Decoivers may not be known by their fruits and whether they that bring●th forth the same fruits which was declared against by the true Prophet Christ Iesus and his Apostles of old be not the false Teachers now as they were then yea or nay This quaerie is digressed because it coma neer thee S. A. Pr. first Consideration Dost thou conclude in cold blood that either none or very few of the Ministers in England are truely godly and that either none or very few reall Saints are the seale of their Ministry in the Lord and is such sensoriousnesse safe and without flune Ans I doe conclude That the Ministers of Jesus Christ new in England who is called by the grace of God with Commission from the Spirit of God to Preach the Gospel freely as they have received in by the Revelation of Iesus in them as in Gal. 1.16 according to the measure of the gist of God Eph. 4.7 I say these are truely godly as they are obedient to the grace appeared mark and that the children of light who is called and obedient to the grace out of the fashions and customes of the world and out of all formally invented worships to worship God in spirit and in truth in the inward man Psal 51.6 I say this is the seale of their Ministry but that the Parish ministers who is called Ministers in England is truely godly that I do deny For he that loves me saith Christ keeps my Commandements now mark he hath commanded his to be perfect but the Priest of England denyes and pleads against his Doctrine herein he hath commanded not to sweare at all but the Priests of England pleads against hsi Doctrine herein he hath commanded not to sue any man at Law but the Priests of England resists his Doctrine here in suing poor people and swearing or causing some to sweare mens goods from them yes trebble sums Christ commanded to give freely as they had received but the Priests of England neither receives freely nor gives freely Christ commanded not to be called of man Master but the Priests of England both calls and is called Master with many more particulars which might be mentioned to this purpose all which shews That the Priests of England is out of Christs Doctrine and so hath not God 2 Iohn 9. so not truely godly And as for them which follows you which is thus found out of and oppose it against Christs Doctrine I say they make your Ministry manifert and seales it with their unbridled lungs and actions to be a barren fruitlesse Ministry voyd of sanctification which maketh Saints so you and your followers I doe deny to be either truely godly or reall Saints But I call them not in cold blood as thou quaeries neither according to flesh and bloods wiscom but by the spirit of truth and light of our Lord Iesus Christ I say I call you like Priest like people Hos 4.9 c. and this is no sinfull sensuring I commend my felse to every mans Conscience in the sight of God as the Apostle did 2 Cor. 4.2 and to the honest hearted every where who is but willing to compare your practises with the Doctrine of Christ and practises of his Aposels Pr. second Consideration Dost thou say or thinks that thy selfe mire hatest all daceit and sin whatsoever then the said godly Ministers and Sainits in England or else-where doe Ans I am not sufficient of my selfe to think any thing as of my selfe but my sufficiency is of God who hath opened my Book of Conscience wherein I find and reade the motions of the flesh to be an enemy to the motions of Gods Spirit which hath made me cry with tears for deliverance from that bondage so by the power of God I utterly tetest that nature in my selfe in the particular and in the generall which opposeth Christ and his Doctrine and doth conclude you to be no Ministers of Christ who wrests his Doctrine for selse ends and to your own destruction and them to be no Saints who follows such for the god of this world hath blinded their eyes that cannot see you to be painted Harlots lest the light of the glorious Gospel should shine unto them Therefore I say you are running from mountain to hill under pretence of Resormation and still without the doore in the fashions and customs of this world and in your airic Knowledge and Wisdom there you set up your building and also the foundation of your worship hatched by Tradition springing from imaginations the ground of changeable wayes● take notice of that Pr. third consideration Dost thou affirme that the detestable titles of blinde guides dumbe dogs greedy Dogs c. are given without sin to such Minesters and that their Doctrine and practises prova them to be such as Christ and his Apostles declares against Ans As for godly Saints or Ministers these titles are not given to such by us God forbid but I affirme and testisie by the spirit of truth with the Prophet that these titles are given without sin to you who is found seeking gain from your quarter as they were Isay 56.10 11. and you beare the expresse image of the false Prophets and false Apostles

and teachers so 〈◊〉 art found ●onle in that wherein thou seared me and now thou must take the papists for thy and your brethren and hearers and let them b●ate your testimony for they pay you Tythes or wages and you injoy their sh●pps marke that Pr. 9. Ac. The ●arsts know that the great thing that must be done before they can ●●duce amongst us is to make them reject their teachers and there fore they bond all their wits and endeavours to vi●●fie them and drow the hearts of the people from them end so do the Quakers Ans What the papists your owners doth it is nothing to us we deny them and your pastets and teachers who is thus found in discord First thou saith they call you no true Ministers but deceivers Secondly thou saith they own you for their pastors and teachers And now thou saith they strave to vis●●fie you and draw people form you Oh bottomles pit consasion no wonder if they mist or vapour darken the ayre and obscure the Sn but that we bend our wits and endeavours to debase you or villisie you contrary to truth and righteousnes I say that false for we lye in the will of God who is gathering people from all dumbe shepherds himselfe that they may be no more meat for them Eze. 34.10 so we rest in his counsell and in his promise ●zo 34.11.10.17 Iohn 10.16 so we rest in his counsell who treads the winepress● alone Isay 63.3.4.5.6 by whose power the refuge of lyars is violated and he hath a controversie with you all and is risen in righteous judgement to render a reward to the proud Psal 94.2 Pr. 10. Ac. The Papists main error consists in the contempt of the Soriptures they say they will not take it for the Word of God but on the authority of the Church and that it is but part of his Word and that Decrees and Constitutions of Popes and Counsels are of equall authority with it the Quakers say it s not the Word of God but onely a Declaration of the Word that was in them that gave it forth and that what thems●lves speak or write is from the same spirit therfore equal with it A. Here we deny both you and the papists who holds the Scripture to be the Word either in part or in whole and also we do deny both the Popes Decrees Constitutions Counsels and your divinations and practises to be equal with or agreeable either to the Scripture as it is or to the spirit that gave them forth and you that say they are the Word and they that say they are in part the Word of God I say unto you you are both Idolaters for the Scripture which you call the Word saith God was the Word John 1.1 and that Word became Flesh John 1.14 so you Priests is forming a whole idoll and the Papists but part of an idoll so you are found filling up the measure of your fathers greater idolaters then the pa●if●s And whereas thou saith the Quakers say it s but onely a Declaration I say the Evangelist saith also so Luke 1.1 and God is the Word who also is a spirit which did inspire his mind and will into his servants which they recorded for a restimony unto future ages which testimony is perverted wrested idolized and made a trade upon by the Parish-masters of England and else-where who is owned of the Papists for Pastors and Teachers according to S. A. his own consession but as touching the Word of God I have spoken largely to it in the 15 pag. so I say he that speaketh and writeth truth in sincerity speaketh and ●riteth from the spirit of truth viz. the spirit of God and so from the same spirit that gave forth the Scriptures and so as it is truth equall with the Scriptures of truth according to its measure Pr. 11. Ac. The Papists say it is but a dead letter so do the Quakers A. Thou said before that the papists owned you to be their pastors and teachers so you popish pastors and teachers we deny your testimony if you say that inke and paper in it selfe is living but we own it that it was the inspired words and will of God freely revealed and freely recorded by them to whom it was inspired by the moveings of the holy Ghost and so written freely for our learning but not to make a trade of as the Papists Bishops and Iesuites did of old after five or six or seven years learning as Prentises at some University and as the Parish masters doe now who after 5.6 or 7. years Prentises at some University or great Schoole gets a place or Parish in the Country and so much in the year and teaches there it may be all his life-time and will tell people that three parts of the world hath never heard of Christ and yet he abides in his Parish and once in seven dayes stands up in his shop where he is accompani●d by some may be 40.50 or 60. years with some and more or lesse with most part and still they are like the crackling of Thornes under a pot unbridled unstable not so much of Christs Doctrine lived in and obeyed as yea nay in their communication or not to sweare at all so you Priests are found hatched in the Popes Nest but deeper in the mistery of witchcraft by sayrer painted profession Pr. 12. Ac. The Papists say it is not fit to be judge of controversies the Quakers say the touchstone of tryall is not the word without but the light within Ans I say I deny the Papists herein for the Scriptures is fit to judge of some controversies if it be held in the righteous part but I doe not say neither with the Papists that it is not fit nor with you popish pastors and teachers that it is the tryar of spirits so here I deny both the Papists and you And whereas thou salst We say the touchstone is not the Word without but the light within I say that God it light John 1.5 who fils Heaven and Earth with his presence let 23.24 and this is the word which we own which is like a sire and a hammar before whose eyes all things are naked and open Heb. 4.12.13 who is a discerner of the thoughts and searches the heart and tryes the reignes of people this is our touchstone the Word nigh in our mouthes and hearts Rom. 10 8. the ingrofied Word I am 1.21 and this is the light which shineth in our hearts which giveth us the knowledge of the glory of God 2 Cor. 4 6. and reproves and makes manifest all things Eph. 5.13 and thou that contemns the light within comtemns that which gave the Apostles knowledge 2 Cor. 4 6 for Christ was given for a light see the promise Isay 49.6 and also his own testimony Ioh. 8.12 12.46 and it was not a Christ without the Gentiles which was the hope of glory but Christ in them Col. 1.27 and this Christ is the

rage that forging lyes is become your greatest refuge who perswades people that we trust in our selves and selfe righteousnesse which things we utterly detest and they remain for thee and you all to prove And as for despising of others that is false for we own all Creatures as they are in themselves Creatures or Vessells but the seeds is at enmity mind that for the Creation of God we have no cause to hate but the mover of cedition in the ground take notice of that Pr. As for that Scripture thou cites Luke 18.9.10 and bids we consider the scope of the Parable and we cannot but see our selves punctually to resemble the Pharisees Ans Here thou hast reckoned us up with the Pharisee and saith we resemble him here I charge thee with another lye and it remains for thee to prove which of us did or doth boast in our prayers of Fastings paying fo Tythos and that we were not like other men but we are bold to declare that our regeneration is not by our own merits nor our salvation by works of righteousnes which we have done but according to his mercy he hath saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy Ghost Tit. 3.5 so thy accusations touches us not but shall stand against you with Luke 18.9.10 and all other Scripture for y●e are out of the rule of Scripture both under the Law and Gospel as easily may be proved Pr. Couldest thou or any of you but convince me of this that they are just that justifie themselves then I should side and say with you and the Papists your patterns in this and the most of your opinions that perfection is not onely attainable in this life but that it is the easiest thing in the world but how hard will it be to prove this principle Ans I doe not strive to convince any of their justnesse that justifie themselves for I deny them that so doth and the Papists to be our patternes but whether you will side with us or not thou and thy fellows must be forced to take the Popes Law for a prop to your Gospel for by that Law you are guarded therefore let thine accusation return home again and take the Papists for thy patternes thou and you who tradeth in their shops and as for perfections to be attainable in this life here thou shews forth thy ignorance and that thou art not called into the ministry of Christ Reader mark permand of God to Abraham Gen. 17.1 Deut. 18.13 Iob 1.8 8.20 Psal 37.37 It was the Doctrine of the Apostle 2 Cor. 13.9.11 in Phil. 3.15 It was for that end that the Scripture was recorded 2 Tim. 3.17 it was the Prayer of the Apostle for the Chruch Heb. 13.21.1 Pet 5.10 Heb. 6.1 yea the whole end of the Ministre Ephes 4.11.12 thou that denyes perfection denies thy gift and the power of the Lord. For shame for what end dost thou Preach it is evident hereby that you keep people alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth which maketh free Iohn 8.32 And now that it is the easiest thing in the world I say in perfection is ease peace and joy in the holy Ghost and no treasure is to be compared to it or any measure of it and you that are not growing towards it knows nothing of redemption And thou that perswads people that perfection is not to be attained unto here keeps people alwayes in the bondage of corruction for it is hard to be attained unto which is the cause why many stumble Pr. Was is not Christs peculiar prerogative to be without sin Heb. 4 15.1 Pet. 2.22 1 John 3.5 he did challenge the world Ioh. 8 46. and could abide the bitterest brunts of the Devill because there was nothing in him for Satan to worke upon Iohn 14.30 but who besides himselfe could ever say so Ans I grant it was and is the proper freedom of the head and also of the members of that head and these Scriptures which thou hast cited I own compared with Heb. 2.18 and that none could ever truely say so of themselves is granted also But this doth not disanull perfection and thou that doth despise it and pleads against it pleads against the one offering against the Prayer of Christ and priviledge of the Saints Iohn 23.14 and against the whole end of the Ministry Ephes 4.12 and against the worke of a Minister Col. 1.28.29 so man I exhort thee be ware what thou dost least thou repent when it is too late for as the tree falls so it lyes and as death seazes upon a man so judgement will find him out and every man shall be judged according to the deeds done in his body and the righteous hath hope in his death but the wicked shall rise to the resurrection of condemnation Pr. Paul after a long and prosperous progresse in sanctification mortification and vivification was not ashamed to speak the truth Rom. 7.11.18.24 but who can beare witnesse of your humiliation in this manner nay the contrary is contemptuously and impudently boasted of by you Ans Here thou art seen to be ignorant of us speaking evill of things thou knows not for the Lord is our witnes whether we have not groaned under the bondage of corruption or not and cryed unto him which is onely able to be delivered from the body of sin And the Apostles condition we own knowing that in our flesh dwelleth no good thing which is of its own nature although thou hast thus judged of us neverthelesse we have a treasure hid in carthen vessels which you with all you doe cannot deprive us of which is our joy But to proceed Paul did not continue in sin he said God forbid Rom 1.2 c. they could not live any longer in sin they were planted together in the likenes of his death See what he dyed unto Rom. 6.10 and although Paul did complain of the body of sin Rom. 7. yet consider what testimony he gives in Rom. 8.1.2.3 37. verses take notice of Rom 8.8 thou that stands up to make voyd the comming of the Son of God by pleading against perfection taking the Apostles condition in his imperfection to pleade for the Devills Kingdom withall but leaves his after condition in Rom. 8.1.2 as though the Apostle all his life time had been subject to bondage Oh shamelesse man who for covetous ends would have people kept from the teachings of Gods Spirit which sanctifieth I say The Lord rebuke thee Pr. Is your condition then with Christ and not with the Apostle O horrible Blasphemy are you finite creatures equall with the infinite Creator doe not all naturall as well as spirituall light abhor this Ans Here thou askes a question I say our condition is with Paul in the measure of the growth and with Christ according to the measure unto which we are grown and although we be finite creatures as the Apostles was yet we can

light who gives the Knowledge of himselfe by his light 2 Cor. 4.6 to him we commit and submit our selves to be taught And seeing God is the onely giver of Knowledge effectually Reader mark then that I say which is the onely giver is the ground cause and effect spiritually and instrumentally as in Phil. 2.13 And whereas thou saith He gives some kind of Knowledge of himselfe as before I say He is the onely effectuall giver of all Divine Knowledge drawing us unto his Son Iohn 6.44 in whom our Eye being placed we come to see and to understand by his Knowledge the Works of Creation and Providence And although thou say thy answers will not sat is f●● my foolish faney As for thy reproachfull termes of untruths I little matter but know though I am satisfied with that which giveth satisfaction and with so much of thine answers as is truth though but in words gathered by thy comprehension in litterall experience for true experience is far from a lyar but God gives the Knowledge of himselfe by his light 2 Cor. 4.6 and this thou art ignorant of who kicks against the prieks of Conscienes which tells thee thou should not lye nor falsly accuse nor Preach for Hire nor be called of men Master nor strive to keep people alwayes learning and still unperfect still in the bondage of corruption they could but be so if they never heard thee take notice of that But furthermore God is both the effectuall and instrumentall giver effectually according to thy own confession I say instrumentally by the Word 1 Iohn 1.14 who was quickned in the spirit by which he also went and Preached unto the spirits in Prison 1 Peter 3.19 so the Word is our Preacher which the righteousnesse of Faith speaks of Rom. 9.6.7.8 by whose light we see your cunning craft and the bottome of you all 2. Quaerie Whether you will own the Scriptures to be your rule and your loves and practises judged by the Apostles lives and practises yea or nay Pr. Ans I retort this Quarie upon your selves who have forsaken th●● Scripture rule and left the good old way of the Saints and what have you to doe with the Apostles practises as Apostles ye false Apostles deceitfull workers transforming your selves into the Apostles of Christ a Cor. 11.13 that say ye are Apostles and are not but is found lyars Rev. 2.12 Ans Here thy winding Serpentine Wisedom and equivocation in seen evading my question turning is back against the innocent accusing us as above I say the Scripture we own every jor and tittle in its place and time of its ministration viz. the Old and New Testaments the first and second Priest-hood the Law and changest the Law I say all these we own in their time and also the change and we own and also witnesse the service of God and his worship in the newnesse of the spirit and not in the oldnesse of the letter and also the ruse of a new Creature which is availeable Gal. 6.15.16 which is and was the good old way of the Saints and so by that rule we come through him that doth renew us as in Tit. 3.5.6.7 into the practises of the Apostles in measure and so is not false Apostles nor no deceitfull workers that remains for thee to prove S. A. so 2 Cor. 11.13 touches us not Reader mark Paul in the 7. ver testifieth that he Preached freely and in the 9. ver Again That he was not burthensome And again in the 10. ver he would not be stopped of that boasting for cutting off occasion in the 12. ver from them which desire occasion mark Paul Preached freely and they that sought occasion against Paul was false Apostles even as the Priests of our dayes who Preaches for Hire now seeketh occasion against them that Preaches freely so Rev. 2.12 shall stand for your own condition and the Lord knows our innocency who knows also that I lye not neither doe I falsly accuse you ye Taske masters like of Egypt Pr. Ah arrant arrogant Pharisees Will no lower forme in the Church then that of the Apostle fit you 1 Cor. 12.28.29 and marke it well ah more umbitious thou Diotrophes Doe you love to have the highest preheminence Did ever any but the Pope that Lucifer Prelate and your selves pretend to an Apostolicall Commission and Revelation since the false Apostles But if ye will needs be Apostles then prove your Apostleship as Paul did 2 Cor. 12.11.12 or elt you must lye in the laps of the lye as indeed you doe Ans Here thou calls us proud wandring Pharisees from which we are clear I say our example had not where to lay his head Luke 9.58 and we are willing to take our portion with him and with our cloud of witnesses Heb. 12.1 who wandered being destitute c. Heb 11.37 and such laboured in travell Preaching the change of the Priest-hood and Law and was persecuted of them that had their Synagogues to creep into as you have now because they testified against them then as we doe against you now who is sound in their steps as is proved And whereas thou saith Will no lower forme sit c. as before I say we are content with our measure whether high or low and it is lawfull for us to covet earnestly the best things 1 Cor. 12.31 and that Scripture owned 1 Cor. 12.28 And though the Apostle hath shewed a more excellent way ver 31. And whereas we are accused with the Pope to pretend Apostolicall Commission the Pope we deny and all you who is proped up by his beastly power imprisoning for a Word or a question and suing at Law for your Gentils Tythes which was instituted and managed by the Pope and Saxon Kings as in the years 933 940 959 by King Ateston King Edmund and King Edgar Pope Innocent and others which Priest-hood and Tythes was never commanded by God in Old in or New Testament here you are seen succeeding your fathers ambitiously holding up that which God never commanded And whereas thou saith We pretend Apostolicall Commission False accusations selfe protences we deny but unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gist of Christ that measure we own Eph. 4.7 to be our Comission and Caller viz. the grace of God at the Apostle did Gal. 1 15. whether into Apostolicall or Propheticall or lower places which is all free Ministrations according to their measures without money or price and profitable in their places for the work of the Ministry for the edesying of the body for the perfecting of the Saints which perfection in this life by your Priests is denyed and so you are sound unprositable and false Apostles deceitfully working for your fat benefices transformed into the name of the Apostles or Ministers of Christs having your Commission from Man to trade with the Letter for money for the free Ministration of the Spirit is denyed by you so you deny the