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A76759	A rejoinder consisting of two parts, the first entituled, The ballance, or, A vindication of the proceedings and judgement of Parliament and their ministers, in the cases of William (called lord) Craven, Christopher Love. : From the scandalous allegations and ironical reflections of Ralph Farmer ... in a late infamous libel of his, named, The imposter dethron'd, etc. ... Wherein the Commonwealth's case as to the one is briefly stated, and the treasons of the other are rehearsed as a looking-glass for the priests, and an awakening to England. : The second, Evil scattered from the throne, and the wheel brought over the wicked: in an examination of that part of The imposter dethron'd as is in way of reply to The throne of truth exalted, etc.	Bishop, George, d. 1668.	1658 (1658)	Wing B3004A; ESTC R170664	67,249	93

writing that Pamphlet was c. And when I made a demur at the words Barbarous and inhumane Rebels Capt. Bishop said If you leave that out you do nothing True I had done great services for them but not by employment and Capt. Bishop kept me low with small pittances so that I was at his Bow To the first J sent him no such Pamphlet as there is intimated nor put J him in any such either by my self directly or by under-actors upon the consideration there mentioned or any other To the second J know not of nor do J remember or believe that any such demur was made by him at any time or that J returned any such answer nor that he scrupled his information nor had J any suspition that he was not clear in the certainty of any part thereof had it been so J should have stopt his deposing thereof though himself had offered it but had he made such a demur and had J replyed as is expressed doth it therefore follow or saith the paper that J bade him swear it notwithstanding or left him otherwise then to his liberty either to leave out these words or to put them in as he was satisfied in the truth of them or the contrary so to have done had been indirect dealing indeed and such an abominable wickedness as my soul ever abhorr'd Besides those words pretended to be spoken in answer are justifiable according to the common acceptation of that phrase amongst men To the third it is a further justification of me who by it am made to appear to have been so far from encouraging any such thing as false information or perjury in Fauconer that though he had done great services for the State yet J kept him low with small pittances so that he was at my bow What! to swear falsly nay the contrary as the reasonable may judge And here by the way the Reader may take notice of the confusion of R. F. who one while seeks to prove that J corrupted Fauconer with great sums of money expressing what they were and by whom paid pag. 90. Another by keeping him low with small pittances who affirms pag. 90. That though he were not bribed with money before-hand yet it was promised him and liberty too and presently saith Why was it promised him No doubt That he might not flintch from his oath so making it after And a few lines following that demands But I pray Why was not the money paid him which was promised and yet in the next words instances several sums of money which he saith was paid him by my direction and then saith Why was not the money promised him now paid Thus as to money and as to liberty having made a slanderous relation concerning my being the occasion thereof out of Newgate thereby endeavouring to prove the performance of the promise of liberty as of money and reflected upon me with a heap of notorious lyes therein nevertheless of both viz. Money and Liberty he saith thus But I say Why was not his liberty procured him now and the money paid him now and immediately answers himself Oh! saith he the business was done the Estate sold let him hang let him starve now it may be the sum promised him was too great and they could not agree who should pay it the Estate being sold wickedly insinuating a combination to make up his pack of scandalous falshoods And thus like a swift Dromadary traversing her ways and as a Bear bereft of her Whelps he raves up and down with A ●ea and No and It is so and It is not so doubling and redoubling the counter again and all to bring forth this lye and foul aspersion on me with which he sorely travels viz. That I bribed Fauconers perjury Which he being not able to compass his own sayings in this point as so many false Witnesses not agreeing among themselves but disproving one another with Diametrical opposition yet such is his Wickedness that he will have it so notwithstanding as aforesaid and that the pretended Paper his Libels chief Engine raised up against my reputation clears me as doth my conscience of any such thing in these full and express Words And here I dare not say that any one bribed me no none did as hath been rehearsed This is Priest Farmer and the villany of him who pretends himselfe to be a Minister of the Gospel The Paper doth not say that Fauconers information or those Words Barbarous and inhumane Rebels or any other part of it arose from any one but himself nor that any one knew that the information or any particular thereof was false or that any one knowing it to be false used any means or provoked him to swear it but it saith The Words viz. Barbarous and inhumane Rebels being once not but once as R. F. belyes it pag. 89. named by me they were as quickly inserted Which granting it to be so though I know of no such snatching was no more then what ought to have been done it freely proceeding from the Informant and being of such importance to the State though R. F. keeps so great a-do in several pages to wrest it to the contrary So by the Paper the fault if any lies on Faulconers part who gave the information and who it saith falsly swore it as he since remembers saith the Paper not when he deposed it and upon no other or if it be it appears not on whom to fix it for though the Words I was hastily after a great sickness provoked to it seem to intimate the contrary yet whether it was by inward temptation or outward suggestion to either of which the term Provoke is convertible who can determine or who it was that used such provocation seeing therein the Paper is silent For my part I know of neither nor of any such hast as the Paper mentions or that the information or any part of it was false or that he doubted of the truth of any thing he deposed The information was wholly from himself he was very free in giving it and time there was enough Dayes and Weeks and Months for consideration had he doubted in himself between the first Discourse wherein Faulconer mentioned Cravens Name and the beginning of his information and the deposing of what he had informed 5. The Paper saith So that I do here solemnly protest that I did not then when he made oath absolutely remember whether the very words Barbarous and Inhumane Rebells were expunged and premises these as the reasons in the foregoing words viz. For after twenty Weeks sickness sayth it this was done my body being low and in much haste being much infeebled and above three quarters of a year after I came over Sea Which plainly clears his information as to those words and no other clause was insisted upon at the tryal as a perjury from being a packt feigned or designed thing and himselfe from being guilty viz. of Corrupt Wilfull and Malitious perjury the verdict brought

A REJOINDER Consisting of TWO PARTS The FIRST entituled The BALLANCE OR A VINDICATION OF The Proceedings and Judgement of Parliament and their Ministers In the cases of WILLIAM called Lord CRAVEN CHRISTOPHER LOVE From the scandalous Allegations and Ironical Reflections of RALPH FARMER a pretended Minister of the Gospel at Bristol in a late infamous Libel of his named The Impostor Dethron'd c. Dedicated to the Former Wherein the Commonwealth's Case as to the One is briefly stated and the Treasons of the Other are rehearsed as a LOOKING-GLASS for the PRIESTS and an AWAKENING to ENGLAND The second EVIL scattered from the THRONE and th● WHEEL brought over the WICKED In an EXAMINATION of that part of the Impostor Dethron'd as is in way of Reply to the Throne of Truth exalted c. GEORGE BISHOP He that is first in his own case seemeth just but his Neighb●r cometh and searcheth him LONDON Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth neer Aldersgate 1658. To the sober READER TO shorten the ensuing Vindication and to give thee more perfectly to underst●nd the ground of the Contest between Ralph Farmer and my selfe I desire thee to take notice that it was not on my part for though he gave me many provocations who had not done him any wrong yet I began not with him but rather chose to abide in silence knowing the man then to have to do with such a one The beginning of the words of whose mouth is foolishness and the end of whose talk is mischievous madness as Solomon saith of the fool Eccl. 10. 13. And in the same purpose of mind I determined to have continued had he not in his Narrative of J. N's coming into Bristol c. charged the blasphemies there affirmed upon the truth of the living God and the many thousands of the friends thereof in this Nation scornfully called Quakers and me in particular with matter of fact as to my publique Trust which with more then ordinary Care Hazard and Faithfulness I have a witness in my conscience as well as amongst men to have honestly discharged In all which knowing the truth and those people and my self to be innocent and being assured that a principal cause of his vilifying of me was Geo. Fox his Letter sent unto and taken upon J. N. wherein the spirit that then led him that company and their actions was judged and denyed which being wrote with my hand he expected would be made use of and my Testimony therein for the clearing of those people from his slanderous imputations of detestableness and biasphemy and being sensible that the great design of the Devil in all was to dis-savor truth and to make it abhorr'd with those to whom the Relation should come I was pressed in spirit being a● Bristol during the time of this transaction and well inform'd in the truth of the particulars to make answer thereunto not purposely in reference to my own particular as if I were troubled but for the clearing of the truth that all who would might see it free of the monstrous apparel in which he had clothed it and that those that should notwithstanding shut their eyes might be left without excuse in the day that God shall judge the secrets of all hearts by the man Christ Jesus And that my Answer I stiled as it was viz. The Throne of Truth exalted over the Powers of darknes● c. Whereunto he being constrained to give up the Cause and being sorely plagu'd and tormented therewith and at the discovery of his wickedness he not onely falls upon me with all the rancor lodged within his malicious breast but having compassed the earth and rummag'd thorough the unclean bowels of the Nation and consulted with his black Generation he grovels up into his bottomless pit what false reports he could meet with among the Enemies of the State and Truth and having in his first seventeen pages bid defiance to Perfection the work of the Ministry for which Christ gave gifts unto men when he ascended up on high and to those who are made clean by the Eternal Word the blood of the New Covenant which cleanseth from all sin Christ Jesus the light of the World that lighteth every man that cometh into the World and to conversion from evil as of the Devil to shew himself whose Minister he is he casts up all again at me from the depths of darkness in the following 100. pages the whole of his Book which he calls such is the fervency of the heat of his scorched Tongue The Impostor Dethron'd who is proved to be the man Or The Quakers Throne of Truth detected to be Satans Seat of Lyes which is not true of it but is true of himself and his generation By way of Reply to a quaking railing Pamphlet written by Capt. Bishop The slanders are his own the Truth is mine entituled The Throne of Truth exalted over the powers of darkness So it is and so it shall stand over his head for ever wherein is briefly hinted the rottenness of the Quakers Conversion and Perfection in general It 's the state of his own stock whose root is rottenness and whose bl●ss●me is going up as the dust not of those people whose Rock is the Stone of Israel Exemplified in this busie Bishop The busie Bishop appears to be himself in the behalf of these mens Treasons what I did was in discharge of my Trust In special instanced in his practices against the Estate of the Lord Craven Life of Mr. Love The one adjudged by the Parliament the other by their High Court of Justice and my duty faithfully done in both long before I knew the thing that is reproach't a Quaker By occasion whereof this Truth is asserted viz. Jf we may judge of the Conscience Honesty and Perfection of quakers in general by this man in particular a man may be as vile a person as any under Heaven and yet a perfect Quaker Which being proved a Lye both in ground and conclusion this is affirmed of a truth made good viz That if the conscience honesty profession of the Ministers of England in general may be judged by Ralph Farmer and wh●● he writes in particular a man may be one of the vilest of mer yea a notorious Traytor and yet a professed Minister of the Gospel This is the summe of the Beast and the number of its Name with which as a Servant to the State I am now to encounter like as I answered the Narrative as a friend of Truth unto which I shall presently apply my self Bristol the 13th day of the 11th Month 1657. G. B. THE BALLANCE OR A VINDICATION c. BEfore I come to any new Engagement it is requisite that I first state the old and briefly shew what hath already been and how it is now and wherein a Reply is hitherto declin'd The great Question or Cause in controversie between Ralph Farmer and my selfe in his * Sata● Enthron'd Narrative

and my Answer thereunto was this Viz. Whether J. N. and those with him as to his coming to The Throne of Truth c. Bristol and what was done to him by them and the people called QUAKERS were one This he affirmed and for this purpose published his Narrative Satan Title page former part c. Impostor p 24 Throne first ten pages and call'd it Quakerisme in its exaltation and concluded what he had said of the one upon the other This I denyed and proved by plain demonstration and full testimony of Truth which shall stand for ever That they were not one not led by one and the same spirit but seen to be gone forth and judged and denyed and the spirit that led them long before their coming thither and consequently That those people and the truth they witness were clear and unconcerned and that his Narrative and its Pag. 25. Title Design of it and End Foundation and Matter therein contained so far as it related unto them whom and their faith he had taken that occasion highly to charge revile and abuse was a Lye For the clearing of this being the Axis or that on which the weight of the whole did hang I expected when I heard of his Reply him to have spoken had he any thing to say but when I had view'd it round I found the field quitted and the Cause left me without an Engagement The next thing in dispute was his Narrative Whether it was a true Relation or not A true Narrative and Relation it is saith he in his Title-Page Satan Title-page Epistle and in his Epistle to the Reader he pledgeth for it his faithful Assurance in these words But this I can and do faithfully assure you That there is nothing here of the one or the other but what is real truth as will be made good upon any occasion Then which What higher Engagement can there be of honesty to induce a belief for which end it is held forth It is not so replyed I for the examination of one of Throne p. 29 30. them which gives the lye to his Conclusion upon the rehearsal of their Papers and Examinations he hath wholly left out Pag. 30. That Passage of the Examination of a second which checks the design and drift of his Relation he hath ommitted Pag. 28 29. The Examination of a third he hath affirmed to say and produced to prove contrary to his own Record of his said Examination that which it saith not Pag. 26 27. All the contents of a fourth Paper he hath neither repeated though short nor in the very words which clear the matter but makes up a pack of his own and then presents it as the language of the Paper to slander the innocent Pag. 27 28. A fifth Deposition he brings forth clipt of that clause which renders it false sworn Pa. 2 5 7 8. 9. And a sixth Letter wanting divers words and a material part of a sentence and in the close changed from its own into such an expression forged in and then pointed to with a marginal Note OBSE●VE as not onely quite altered the sense but rendred it very scandalous and the life of him liable to danger had it really been his whose was the subscription Pag. 25 31 32 Hereupon I concluded his Narrative a lye and him as a Narrator reprobate to faith and honesty Of this being the hinge on which turned the whole of his Reputation as on the other did the Cause I listened for a thorough Vindication could he have made it but throughout the whole Reply I could not hear a whisper of his said Engagement in his Epistle nor of the words Reprobate to faith and honesty Nor of his quotations of his own Pag 74. books which I had charged upon him to have made to belye one another and both to give himself the lye and to prove him a false Prophet in such a business of consequence as foreseeing and foretelling things to come of which he so highly vaunted No nor of nor to my demands viz. By what spirit didst thou foresee and foretel The infallib●e spirit thou hast not so thou hast confessed pag. 34. a●d the spirit of the Lord is infallible Is it not the Witch the fallible spirit that is out of the truth that hath divined seeing that spirit that doth foretell which is not the spirit of the Lord is such Then I considered him as to Religion and I found proving it upon him by plain Scripture That his share in a Pag. 61 62 63 70 71. Christianity he had renounc't That his b Pag. 61. hopes to be saved his c Pag. 65 66. happiness and way to true happiness was a lye and that his d Pag. 63 64 65. Ministers Ministry Word Churches Unity Orders Peace Civility good Manners all that Religion which he saith Apollion Abaddon the destroyer is tearing laying waste and confounding is the same for all that is confounding tearing and laying waste and he saith the e Satan Epist to the Reader destroyer is tearing laying wast confounding ministers ministry Word Churches Unity Order Peace Civility good Manners yea * O horrible blasphemy None but Christ Jesus is Truth it self and Truth it self saith this Priest Apollion c. is confounding Truth it self and all Religion is shaken all that is shaken is of things that are made and that they are shaken signifies the removing of those things that are shaken as of things that are made that those things which cannot be shaken may remain Heb. 12. 26 27. But of these slaine heapes upon heapes I finde no mention I also weighed his f Pag. 80. to pag 90. Profession his Coate and Craft and Generation his g Pag 80. Satan pag. 34. Argument in his Answer to his own objection formed against the friends of truth as Knaves Impostors and Deceivers and found it and them all too light and proved them turning his Argument on his own and the heads of his generation Knaves Inter alliis they are his own words Impostors Deceivers who say they are Ministers of the Gospel and yet pretend not to the infallible spirit which they had who were Ministers of the Gospel who affirm that their necessary deductions from the Scriptures are as true and certain as the Scriptures yea that they are Scripture and yet deny that they speak by inspiration by which all Scripture was given and as the holy men of God did who spake as they were moved of the Holy Ghost or that they have infallibility who declare that they deceive not the people in stretching beyond their line measure whereas in stretching beyond their line and measure in the line and measure of others is the whole of their Trade of Divination who confess that they may he deceived and may erre and say that they do not lyingly and hypocritically pretend to an infallibility and yet

of all to some such thing of himself and me as is the intent and drift of the recitall and use made of this Paper now produced after his death and said by Ralph Farmer to be his which when living he withstood and chose rather thus by lingering crueltie to wast into death than by yeilding thereunto and so to make himselfe and others guilty who are innocent to live though in the possession of the largely promised Indemnitie Money and Libertie Now of this Tampering to corrupt him I was not onelie informed at White Hall from time to time as it was transacting but I have the Papers by me readie to make i● appear yea the original Letters subscribed and wrote all with the same hand of the copies of which and the Negotiations of that person and his outward qualitie he thus expresses Now Sir I have sent you a Copy of two Letters of which I have the originalls by me whereby you may perceive how they have been at me their spleen being at Coll. Joyce your self and others c. I have forborn to affixe his name in regard he is a Gentleman of qualitie Assoone as it is known that I have imparted it I shall be surely murthered which I am confident is far from your desire Now I am deeply engaged to secresie therefore should the Gentleman be summoned and I remain here where he hath a Brother Prisoner I say again I should be surely and out of hand murthered This Gentleman came in all haste to me assoon as he understood the Book mentioned their large offers to me before and since my tryal now this Gentleman ●●●●●ed with me before and since my tryal and said it could not possibly be but I had revealed it to you but I protested you knew not his name which I am sure you do not although I wrote to you of the matter in generall but I told him that indeed one went to you and told you of some large proffers were made me which in part pacified him J have the originall Letters subscribed with his hand and he is a Gentleman of worth and good descent And in the Postscript he saith as J shall answer it at the Dreadful day of Judgement to my knowledge J have not written one false matter or circumstance in this Letter Rich. Fauconer Besides the aforesaid J have among the rest a Paper of another whose name I shall forbear to mention who he sayes is a Gentleman of quality and an ancient and intimate acquaintance of his and who came to him and tampered with him in the same matter and told him that he could tel how to put a brace of hundred He o● ten expressed himself that he was offered some Hundreds a year if he would say he was Corrupted pounds into his Pocket concerning the Lord Craven And that a Parliament man assured him his said friend that if he would but subscribe who inticed him to it that the Lord CRAVEN would recover his Estate and how they were conspireing to have all his creditors to arrest him c with much more which J shall forbear further to repeat The poor man through extremity of misery though Chiefe Justice Rolls and the Judges of the Upper Bench saw cause to arrest Judgement which arrest of Judgement they never tooke off is languished and dead his blood will lye somewhere and be required for my part J am cleare 3. Those Passages J here protest before the Almighty God that J never nudertooke any imployment nor never any one mentioned it to me but J went over in a poor desperate condition supported by others And true J had done great services for them but not by imployment Renders the said Paper either very unlikely to be Fauconers or if R. F. and his fellowes will have it to be his yet that it is not truth and so the Paper is not to be beleived upon the account of the confession of a dyeing man for that he was imployed beyond the Seas to discover the designs of the enemy against the Common Wealth Lievt Coll. Joyce deposed in Court at the tryall as being discoursed with by him thereabouts before he went over and Lievt Coll. Joyce it was that brought him to me after he returned to give an account of the discoverie he had made beyond the Seas of their conspiracies and himself hath confest it under his hand in his Declaration aforesaid that he was imployed afterwards others can testifie against which so known a truth to himselfe and others and by him subseribed for Fauconer to protest affirme as aforesaid is most improbable and hardly to be supposed as the matter of the said Protestation and assertion appears to be most notoriously false which being so in these particulars so solemnly in words protested and affirmed what credit is to be given to the rest of the said Paper as of the words of a dyeing man pretended to be delivered under the sence as it saith of a touched conscience and from a soul woefully perplexed Upon the bare reputation of which viz. as the words of a dying man so sensibly exprest this Paper for the ends aforesaid is dropt into the world as truth to be beleived but is thus proved a lye and blasted And thus much concerning this pretended Paper Ra. Farmers main foundation of what he calls his evidence and indeed upon the matter the sum of it and to what I seem therein to be concerned For the other particulars which he endeavors to fix upon me as indirect dealing from certain passages out of the Book intitled the Lord Craven case c. pick't parceld and mangled by him and then set down as his other ground of what he calls his evidence for that purpose I need no clearer vindication than that very Book wherein is not onely related stated at large and argued that whole businesse of Craven and Fauconer but objections those very things which he layes to my charge answered in a short examination of a certain Pamphlet intitled A true perfect Narrative of the severall proceedings in the case concerning the Lord ●●aven c. The substantialitie and truth whereof he hath not by any thing that he hath said infirme nor can he refell yea those very passages as related by him considered abstractively from the particulars of the pretended paper which by horrible wresting he hath sought to make speak what they say not and then hath joyned them to those passages to force them if he could to pronounce the same which I have already cut off and answered cleare me sufficiently therefore I shall not being desirous to ease the Reader rehearse what he hath said therein nor further answer to it as I might though so to do would tend much to the infamy of him and my advantage but shall refer the unprejudiced Reader to the said Book the Pamphlet examined as aforesaid and that part of R F 's reply wherein are those passages upon serious consideration

which he never said I supposing he would be so meale-mouth'd as not to read it or to put his hand to my Forgery without any more a-do but that he did to my shame make me blot out at least six lines in his Examination which was but very short and that some of the Committee did ingenuously say sometimes That he did not speak such Words as I had put in and that he did refuse to put his hand to it seeing he was abused by me but told them if they would give him a copy of it he would subscribe his hand but that they denied him a copy which made him to suspect they did not intend to deal fairly with him as he found true after And then goes on to shew wherein sayes this Lyar but gives no instance yet saith and that to their conviction concludes thence thus Wherefore I beseech the Reader not to believe any thing that shall come forth either pretended to be my Examination or the Examinations of other men against me they are but the Forgeries and Contrivances of Mr. S. and Capt. Bishop pag. 113. And further That the Examinations of the Witnesses were taken from them in private and patched together by Mr. S. and Capt. Bishop That they were not ashamed to produce them and read them in open * And why not in open Court the Witnesses desiring it and referring therunto the particulars being many lon● and the Court allowing it Court That some of the Witnesses had so much † Capt. Potter being the first Witness produced bogled at what he had wrote and signed and se●t from the Tower but upon his arraignment pleaded guilty to it all what honesty he had left that so did let wise men judge honesty left as to disavow them in open Court and therefore sayes he again believe nothing but what was sworn in open Court nor all that neither for some of the Witnesses swore falsly as he saith he made * He being as I remember touched with the words concerning the Commission Come come let it go fl●w out in a rage and said That he was against the going of it or words to that effect Whereby he discovered himself to be in the principal part of the design of which himselfe professed and others would account him innocent appear in his Defence pag. 110. And that because he was belyed about his Examination before the Committee and may be more abused after he is dead therefore he was necessitated to discover that jugling and basenesse of Mr. S. and me about his Examination which he thought as it saith never to have made publike pag. 112. And thus this Lyar brings all this in Among all these lyes thus generally hinted I have reserved one in special wherein Mr. Love chargeth him not onely with lying but also with forgery pag. 112. And concludes And well might Mr Love think how this Bishop injur'd other men and that in the like ●ind pag. 112. Vind. Christopher Love being apprehended by vertue of a Warrant from the Council of State for High Treason and being brought before the Committee to be examined before any question was demanded of him as to the cause of his apprehension assigned in the Warrant he voluntarily made such a deep and general profession of his innocency as to the Treasons which afterwards were charged upon and proved in Court against him and in part by himself confest that the Committee were at a stand how to ask such an innocent professor any question of guilt and so unto him they declared Whereupon he supposing it's like that he and his actions were hid from them and lay in the dark gathered spirit and said in these or words to this effect Gentlemen I look upon you as honourable persons ask me any question in particular and I will ingenuously answer you as I have made a general profession Hereupon I put to him as from the Committee some questions concerning himself corresponding with the cause of his apprehension assigned in the Warrant aforesaid which giving him to see that the Committee was within his Vail Instead of making an ingenuous or any answer thereunto he fell into a great passion being closely touch't and particular reflections and refused to answer saying he would not accuse himself and that it was the High Commission Court It was answered That it was not the High Commission Court for he was not put to answer to interrogatories upon his oath to accuse himself when none did or could accuse him which was the High Commission Oath Ex Officio condemned by the Parliament But he being in custody and accused of such High Treasons and informations being ready to be produced and I then brought forth two relating to the matter whereof he stood charged and unto which he was demanded to answer by the ancient Law of England he ought to answer YEA or NAY thereunto which was what the Committee required of him Then he was demanded as to other Correspondents in the same Treasons To which he answered He would not be an Informer This his neither answering to the questions demanded against himself nor as to others though he had said Ask me any question and I will ingenuously answer and made such a general profession of innocency as aforesaid I say This and his other high and peremptory carriage occasioned many Words to pass between the Committee and him so that there was not such a proceeding in setting down his Examination as was usual in such cases by the Committee viz. The question leisurely put and wrote down and read and then the Answer demanded and wrote and then read and expessed and altered as the Prisoner desired before another question was asked But amidst the much speaking I took notice of some few things which he said and having wrote them after the heat was somewhat over read it in the hearing of him and the Committee to the end that he might have it exprest altered or changed to his satisfaction as was usual to every one that was examined before he be required to set his hand thereunto upon the hearing of which read he liked not some part thereof whereupon I struck it out and drew his Examination as he would have it and then read it which he not objecting against the Committee required him to put his hand thereto but he refused to sign it except he might have a copy thereof which they thought not fit to grant without an order from the Council it being not usual in cases of Treason otherwise to do So he was returned into the custody of the Serjeant at Arms without having signed his Examination which for the contents of it was not material nor was any use made thereof at his Tryal This is the truth of the matter Now whether so to take prepare and draw an Examination in the presence of the Committee and the sight of the Examinant and with such changes and alterations as the Examinant doth desire suppose

I had mistaken in some Words or Expressions as easily I might but do not grant considering the manner of the Examination as aforesaid be Forgery Jugling Basenesse Or whether it be Mr. S. and my B●senesse Jugling and Forgery or a discovery thereof who neither dictated to nor advised with me as to what I wrote Or whether this or any other passage mentioned in this case makes to appeare or proves that whatsoever shall come forth as the Examination of him Christopher Love or the Examinations of other men against him are but the forgeries as he saith and contriv●ments of Mr. S. and me patch't together in private and so not to be believed Or Whether the bare saying of these Words onely Which made me suspect they did not intend to deale fairly with me as I found true after And then goes on sayes R. F. to shew wherein and that to their conviction but how or in what R. F. sayes not be sufficient to ground such a charge upon the Committee as of unfair dealing or makes manifest wherein they dealt so unfairly with him or convicts them thereof Or whether the designe and end of all this be not apparently to justifie Christopher Love as innocent and to render the Parliament and their Ministers and those that prosecuted and gave judgement against him guilty of his blood And whether such things ought to be suffered I leave to the sober to judge and those who are in Authority to consider Had the Examination been perfected and he set his hand thereunto and committed to my custody and should afterwards have inserted any word or sentence that he had not sign'd without his knowledge or consent This indeed had been forgery in me I had I so done deserved indeed to have been made a publike example but no such thing did I nor doth this Instance accuse me of any such nor did I ever exercise in such things as these otherwise then a good conscience doing unto all men therein as I would they should do to me and alwayes abhorring the contrary as a most abominable Wickedness And as for my putting in six lines into his Examination which he never said supposing he would be so meal-month'd as not to read it or to put his hand to my forgery as he slanders without any more ado It is false and a thing in the understanding of wise men not likely by m● to be supposed viz. That he would sign what I had wrote as said by him in his Examination being concern'd as to his life and making such a stir as he did without reading of it or speaking against what was wrote by me as spoken by him which he had not said had any such thing been Nor was any such thing as to put what was not his as his Examination upon the supposition aforesaid or any other consideration so much as in my thoughts nor did I any thing of which I was ashamed or that deserved it but the contrary Nor do I remember that any of the Committee did say somet●mes that he did not speake such Words as I had put in though they by reason of his passion and prevarication and the Words it occasioned not taking such notice of his expressions as I did who minded them as my business to observe set down might express themselves as not remembring in som things that he so said himself by reason of his rashness might forget not liking when he was come coolely to consider what was wrote as said by him might deny his own expressions whereby it doth not follow That what I took as his was not by him spoken or to such effect Thus much to his first instance and of the passages at the Examination of Christopher Love in which I have hitherto been silent and thought not to have made it publike but R. F. having so highly charged me and the Committee in this Case pag. 110 112 113. and falsly concluded thereupon pag. 114 115 116. I am constrained thereunto for my own and their necessary vindication The second follows in these Words I have one instance more under he hand of a godly reverend and faithful Minister of the Gospel now in being well known to most of the inhabitants of this City and many in London so to be who writes to me That being to be questioned about M. Love's business as he was imprisoned Bishop says he was Clark to the Comm●●●ee of Examinations and wrote down all that I said add a d●vers things t●ereby endeavouring to ensnare me for which I sharply reproved him telling him that I knew his Birth and Breeding and therefore I did scorn to be ixamined by such a one as he was at which both he and the Committee were much offended threatning to use much severity against me but the Lord restrained them Vind. What 's this to the purpose as to Forgery to prove which on me it is produced taking it as it is and for granted that it is so as is expressed it saith I wrote down all that he said It doth not say that I wrote down more And should I not have wrote down all he said What crime is this Is this Forgery How doth malice render him void of understanding For the passage And added divers things there●y endeavouring to en●nare me it manifestly appears by what immediately follows that it intends Words spoken by way of Examination not an addition of Words which he spake not inserted into his Examination which latter had it been so would have suted his Case not the former it seems the questions prick't him to the quick that he was so wroth at the applying of them that the Committee saw cause to threaten to bind him so much he was from it to the good-behaviour and that the substance of the questions was such truth and so applicatory to him in the behalf of the Common-Wealth that he reckons the proposing of them matter of Ensnarement that is to say if he had answered to the questions as he could he should have confest what was demanded And added sayes he divers things thereby endeavouring to ensnare me What a pittiful generation have I to deal with and how sottishly malicious Now as to the story I remember that Matthew Haviland sometimes of Bristol being in custody as a Confederate of Christopher Loves Treasons and brought before the Committee to be examined thereabouts manifested much filth and rage at me but in what particulars I do not perfectly remember because of some questions that I put that nearly touched him for which the Committee sharply reproved him as he deserved who knew not a bridle for his tongue and ●et profest himself to be a Minister of the Gospel Notwithstanding I was so far from being provok't thereby to do him harm that I considering him as a froward peevish inconsiderable ignorant weak man and drawn in through simplicity rather then design accomplisht of mine own accord his liberty from that which otherwise might have