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A35009 The first part of Babel's-builders unmasking themselves as appears by the following judgment from Barbadoes (promoted by George Fox his party, and subscribed by eighty two of them) : with a letter of G.F.'s, G.W's, &c. in answer thereunto, and observations thereupon : also a false prophesie of that lying prophet, Sol. Eccles : whereas the following discourse was formerly printed and privately disposed ... amongst those called Quakers, but finding some of G.F.'s party have since publickly exposed it with slanderous and false charges on the author, this second impression with some small addition, is now made publick ... / Thomas Crisp.; Babel's-builders unmask't. Part 1 Crisp, Thomas, 17th cent.; Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Eccles, Solomon, 1618-1683.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1682 (1682) Wing C6951; ESTC R10390 16,901 16

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of any Apostates or Opposers they would make ill Work with it and say that we set up an Arbitrary Power over Mens Consciences and Properties and an Implicit Faith and Submission without Inward Conviction What more true And that we divided the Measure of God in a particular from the Universal Spirit of God in other Particulars in Mens and Womens-Meetings And as for Subscribing unto such an Order or Judgment they would say it was like the Scotch-Covenant and as tho the Measure of the Faith and Spirit of God in themselves was not agreeable to the Universal Spirit Faith in the Mens and Womens-Meetings and that if they should go from the Measure of Faith and Spirit of God in their own Particulars and to give up both their Spiritual and Temporal Concerns to the Universal Spirit in Mens and Womens-Meetings This would be the way to bring them all from the Measure of the Spirit in their own Particulars For how can the Men and Women in the Universal Spirit receive that which is not given up from the Universal Spirit therefore all must be left to the Universal Spirit in their own Measures thereof and as for the Stubborn and Wilful that are against Men and Womens-Meetings the Universal Spirit cannot receive that And all are to give up to the Universal Spirit in their own Particulars in which Spirit they have Unity and Fellowship without outward Subscription and to be led by the same Spirit to see their Names written in Heaven in this Gospel-day of Light and Life and this is and was the Saints Testimony in the New-Covenant of Light and Life and their Heavenly Subscription which is above all outward Subscriptions both among the Jews and Professors for the one ties them below and the other ties them above And for any to say They desire to give up their whole Concerns both Spiritual and Temporal unto the Judgment of the Spirit of God in Mens and Womens-Meetings as believing it to be more according to the Vniversal Wisdom of God than any particular Measure in my self or any Particulars Now this would make the Belief which is in the Light and the Spirit in their own Particulars not one with the Universal Spirit in the said Meettings And as for those that the Mens and Womens-Meetings in the Universal Spirit of God have not Unity with they are erred from their own Measures of the Spirit of God but the Universal Spirit of God has Unity with the the least Measure now as it was in the Apostles days who kept every one to their own Measures which was both the great Rule and Line of the new Creature in the Believers and Saints then and so with that the Universal Spirit in the Apostles and Elders then had and now have Unity And therefore dear Friends we know your Care and Tenderness of Truth and that you aim at the best Things Contrary to S. Crisp who said the Paper was not only ill worded but he believed 't was ill meant ' and have had much to do with some loose Spirits there and therfore our Desires are that you would stop this Paper from going any further lest some should get Copies of it and spread amongst bad Spirits and keep in the general tender Spirit of God that in Love you may answer the Measure of the Spirit of God in them that are Convinced by it and in them that err from it And the Man of God must not strive but be gentle towards all And so concluding with the Apostles tender Advice 1 Cor. 1.10 Now I beseech you Brethren by the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you all speak the same thing and that there be no Divisions among you but that you be perfectly joyned together in the same Mind and in the same Judgment And Phil. 2.2 3. Fulfil you my Joy that you be like minded having the same Love being of one Accord of one Mind let nothing be done through Strife or vain Glory but in lowliliness of Mind let each esteem other better than themselves And 1 Pet. 5.8 Finally be all of one Mind having Compassion one of another love as Brethren Be pittiful be courteous Now as for your Subscription to an outward tie be above such things forasmuch as you are manifestly declared to be the Epistle of Christ written not with Ink but with the Spirit of the Living God which Spirit hath given you Life and will bring you to the City of the Living God the Heavenly Jerusalem and to the General Assembly and Church of the First-born which are written in Heaven c. Your dear Friends and Brethren in our Lord Jesus Christ in whom you have Peace Life and Salvation GEORGE FOX c. As for the aforesaid Paper from Barbadoes wherein is exprest the Judgment of the Quarterly-Meeting I take it to be neither according to Scripture nor the Principles of Truth And first for Scripture By it you make void the New-Covenant or Law written in the Heart Of which it is said Heb. 8.11 They shall not need to teach every Man his Brother saying Know the Lord but all shall know me from the least to the greatest And John 2. The Anointing which you have received of Him abideth in you you need not any Man to teach you but as that teacheth c. But your Judgment contradicts these Viz. Give up your whole Concern Spiritual and Temporal if required unto the Spirit of God as you say in Men and Womens-Meetings believing it to be more according to the Vniversal Wisdom of God than any particular in your selves c. But the Scripture saith None know the Things of God but the Spirit of God And how shall any one know what the Meeting requires is according to the Spirit of God if not by a measure of it in themselves It is also said If our Heart Condemn us God is greater but if that Coodemn us not then have we Confidence towards God For if it please God to reveal any thing to any Particular and the general deny or disown it then that particular must deny Revelation and give up to the general According to this Doctrine I cannot see how the Church should ever be restored out of the Apostacy unless God first reveal Himself to the general which seems to be contrary to His way of Manifestation to this very day For what must John have done with his Revelations and Message to the Asian Churches Sardis and Laodicia who had a Name to Live and were Dead And said they were rich and encreased in Goods and wanted nothing They thought well of themselves as you do had but few Names left not the generality yet were mistaken and Apostatized and reproved by a Particular Now according to your Judgment John and the few Names ought to have given up to the general and not to his particular Revelation Also all the Reformations since the Apostacy have been begun by Particulars and opposed and persecuted by the general
not blind Conformity before Convincement but said If any be otherwise minded God shall reveal it c. As their Faith encreased so should their Obedience The Spirit the Apostle was in could receive those that differed in Judgment and Practice in some things and did not say they were erred from their measures and if against Womens-Meetings that the Universal Spirit could not receive them but were careful not to offend the weak would deny themselves that which was lawful for the benefit of the weak therefore not of G. F's pretended Universal Spirit Now G. F's c. Letter is so jumbled together seemingly disowning and yet owning the Paper too but take them either ways if they disown then that manifests a difference if they own it then they plainly manifest themselves to be what the Dissenting Party hath objected against them many Years only G. F. c. have imperiously and wrongfully born them down Viz. That they do in their Actings contradict their Principles and Doctrine that is they as the Pharisees say and do not for it is evident by the scope of their Letter that they are dissatisfied with the wording of it and that latter Clause which admits a particular measure may differ from the general also afraid of its Publication knowing they cannot justifie it and that it is that they have been charged for practising these many years and for this cause many have and do dissent from them whom they term gone from the Power of God and Opposers of the Order of the Gospel Setters up of Standards against Truth and many other Names and marks of Sons of Perdition when they have nothing else against them only not submitting to G. F's Orders without Conviction for G. F. c. do not at all contradict the Principle Of giving up all only the subscribing to it nor deny but their Meetings have such power or ought to be given up to only would insinuate that it is done from the Universal Spirit of God and all who do not so believe and act the Vniversal Spirit cannot receive c. But all that fear God beware of such who be thus given to change and believe and act so contrary to what they say and pretend and notwithstanding the good words of the Apostle in the latter end of G. F's Letter which be sound and had they kept themselves to their primitive Testimony and sound Doctrine as in Scripture there had not been this Seperation but having followed the Devices of their own Heads with fair words and speeches they beguile many simple ones but now their Folly is made manifest and that they have only a Form of Godliness but deny the Power thereof therefore from such turn away And it 's better to be by such accounted Separates than for their favour to deprive your selves of the benefit of your own measures of Light and Life according to which all shall be at last Judged As for the seeming dislike or blame of the Judgment from these following words in G. F's Letter Viz. This would make the Belief in the Light and the measure of the Spirit in their own particulars not one with the Vniversal Spirit in the said Meetings That this is a disowning of or a Reproof for the Judgment in general or the giving up of all c. is but a fallacious cover as appears by his high commending and extolling them in the latter part of his Letter in p. 5. Also his words to them he terms Stubborn and Wilful that cannot give up all c. of those he saith The Universal Spirit cannot receive that those that the Mens and Womens Meetings have not Vnity with in the Vniversal Spirit of God they are erred from their own measures c. What this Vniversal Spirit is that they so often mention is shewed in the Introduction and pag. 9. Also they say in W. F's Book Spiritual-Liberty c. pag. 4. Those that be left with the one Spirit of Truth must be of one Mind they cannot be otherwise These words be of one Mind and having Vnity with G. F's Womens-Meetings is all to the same effect as the Barbadoes Judgment only that is more naked and plain and not so subtilly worded as some here could have done it for we must believe and practice just as they do or would have us or else no Unity which implyes as much ●iving up as the Barbadoes Judgment doth as is further manifested by their severe Judgments against those that cannot so do and by rendring them Apostates c. And G. F's c. dislike or blameing them is not for their giving up all c. but for the latter Clause of the Judgment which admits that a particular measure may differ or not agree with the generally in the Mens and Womens-Meetings who be too much swayed and over-ruled by his Party and termed the Vniversal Spirit of God but this Judgment proves that their Vniversal Spirit and Ruling Party have erred therefore Particulars ought not to have Unity with them but testifie against them It 's evident from the Asian and all others Churches since down to this very Barbadoes Church that the Universal Ruling Part have erred and been testified against and reproved by particulars as G. F's Lording Spirit in himself and Party have been altho they seem to be so resolved as that they will have the Power Authority and Judgment c. and will Govern and rather than they will want a Place where and Subjects over whom to govern c. they will stretch their Power over the Consciences of their Brethren even in the Seat or Throne of Christ as is further manifest from R. B's Anarchy c. vindicated by the Second-days Meeting in their false Accuser c. page 57. Where they ask this Question If in no Case of Conscience the Church of Christ hath Power to give such positive Sentence as is just and righteous When they mention the Church of Christ in respect to this present Age that they mean only themselves seems evident from the said R. B's Anarchy c. p. 43. Also Judas or the Jews c. p. 28. Where they term themselves the Body of Christ And in other Writings they the People of God and none else Also when they mention the Government and good Ordinances of Christ or in his Church it is evident they mean some new invented Formalities and Ceremonies of their own and not fundamental Principles according to the Precepts and Examples of Christ and his Apostles mentioned in the holy Scripture Therefore their terms of the Church of Christ and pretentions to Just and Righteous Sentences and Judgment are but Covers and such Robes hath the Woman which sitteth on the Scarlot coloured Beast been arrayed with in all Ages since the Apostacy pretending themselves the True Church and their Sentences and Judgment Just and Righteous as you do and you have provided Weapons for them that may in time prove to your own hurt IF YOV BE NOT ALL