as I find them 2 dly To consider whether his Reflections upon us are consistant therewith as touching our Principles Sect. I. As touching Justification he saith viz. To avoid needless Difference with Brethren I must distinguish Justification Justification we agree to be a forensical Act opposed to the laying any Thing to a Man's Charge whereby he may be condemned who shall lay any Thing to the Charge of God's Elect it is God that justifieth now there is a Double Charge the Charge of the Law that we are Sinners and so condemnable for violating of it and the Charge of the Gospel that we have not performed the remedying Condition which God requires of us for the escaping of that Condemnation And also he farther explains There is a farther Justification in regard to a particular Charge of the one or an universal Justification against all Accusations or the Charge of both as we must answer to the Charge of the Gospel by denying that Charge and pleading our Performance we answer the Charge of the Law by confessing it and pleading Christ's Satisfaction Our Faith aud Repentance is our Righteousness in Regard to the Gospel but Pardon of Sin together with this Righteousness may go both into universal Justification And that God justifying us by this Righteousness that is by Faith or Evangelical Obedience without the Works of the Law and that pardoning us as the Effect of that Act may both make up the Compositum of Vniversal Justâ—fication you see how tender I am of persisting in any Mistake wherein I have or may prejudice others I do not find that the Scripture doth denominate or pronounce any one Righteous or a Just Man from one End to another upon any-other Account then his doing Righteousness yet will I not quarrel with any that say we are made Righteous also by Forgiveness and that the Delivery of us from Sin from the Law and Condemnation by it is Justification though really I am apt to think that this Work is rather to be attributed with the Apostle to our Redemption Compare Ephes. 1 7. 2 Cor. 5. 19. Rom 3. 24. Animad Observe what is hereby granted 1 st That Justification is oppos'd to the laying any thing to a Man's Charge whereby he might be condemned aâ— who shall lay any Thing to the Charge of God's Elect The Questions therefore is whether God's Elect be chargeable with any Thing that is condemnable For against a Righteous Man there is no Law this answers the End of Christ's coming in the Likeness of sinful Flesh that he might not only condemn Sin in the Flesh but that the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit and this then truly acquits and clears such who thus walk both from the Charge of the Law and of the Gospel there being no Condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus c. 2 dly That we cannot deny the Charge of the Gospel until we have performed that Remedying Condition which God requires of us for the escaping the Condemnation or rather until that true Faith and Repentance be wrought in us by the Grace of God as the Condition upon and through which God doth both pardon and justifie 3 dly That God justifieth us by this Righteousness that is by Faith or Evangelical Obedience without the Works of the Law it must be considered to be without those Works of the Law which the Apostle intended as namely those that were fleshly and shaddowy that were not essential to an Evangelical Righteousness and not that substantial and continuing Obedience of that Love which is the fulfilling of the Law 4 thly That Evangelical Obedience and doing Righteousness by which God justifies or pronounces any one Righteous and in which his Elect is not chargeable or condemnable either by Law or Gospel must needs therefore be a sincere Obedience without the Mixture of Sin or any Thing condemnable Christ being the Cause and Worker of that Faith Sanctification and Righteousness in the true Believer from whence his Obedience and doing of Righteousness proceeds all which seriously considered doth both shut out the Opinion of the Imputation of Christ's Righteousness to Men while actual in their Sins and the pronouncing them Righteous in God's Sight who are by his Spirit denounced or condemned in themselves as unrighteous and disobedient Persons for where real Faith and Repentance from dead Works is wrought in the Heart there is a real Cessation from those Works and evil Actions although the very Nature and Seed thereof is not immediately wrought out of the Heart but by Degrees But then I see no Cause why it should be said that Pardon or Remission is not any Essential Part or no Part of Justification but the Effect as in Page 4. Seeing that Pardon of Sin together with our Faâ—th and Repentance as the Condition goes both into Universal Justification as before though a Pardon of Sins past upon true Faith and Repentance be not alone the absolute Justification but also a Perseverance in faithful Obedience to the Gospel is necessary to an absolute justified Estate both being by the Grace of God in and through Christ wherein he looks upon the Creature that is truly humbled with an Eye of Compassion in remitting of Sins past and with his Fatherly Love and Goodness in preserving and keeping such in the Sense of his Goodness which doth obliege to Faithfulness and Continuance in the Truth unto the End so that in an absolute justified Estate there is both an Experience of true Humility living Faith Sanctification and sincere Obedience and the continuance of the same according to these Scriptures 2 Cor. 5. 17 18. Ephes. 1. 7. to the End Rom. 3. 24 25 26 27 31. ver compared with ver 21. see and observe also Titus chap. 3. 4 5 6 7. the real Experience whereof is beyond Mens Thinkings and Conceivings and it is only the true Believers and sanctified Ones who can truly say from an inward Experience of the Work of God in their Hearts that Christ is made unto us Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption and he that spared not his only Son but delivered him up for us all how much more shall he not with him give us all Things Sect. II. And seeing it is also granted or at least implied that the State of Justification extends to a State of Perfection it is necessary we by the Way further take notice of some Truths laid down by this Author about Perfection as namely It is to be acknowledged 1st That there are and may be very many Scriptures easily pressed by the Quakers and Papists for the Service of their Doctrine so that there is no doubt but thus much is proved that it is our Duty to be as perfect as they would have every Sin is forbidden and every Good Thing that is to say by the Law of Innocency is commanded thus far true 2dly He cites Augustine
confest page 25. Our Faith and Repentance are a Fruit of his Spirit They must be real and true such as admit not of the Mixture of Sin nor of the Continuance thereof Object As for his saying It is true that no Men but sin and it is true what they sâ—y the regenerate sin not the Scriptures say both Animad Why are we then so much opposed and striven with either for holding this Perfection or that some Men sin not which we see not consistant with no Man but sins The Scriptures say both what that there is none but he may sin and yet he that is born of God cannot sin these then must both be considered with reference unto two Dispensations Estates or Degrees otherwise it would render the Scripture inconsistant but the Scripture cannot be broken Object The Child of God sins not so as that Sin hath Dominion over him when he sinneth page 25. Animad This still giveth too much Liberty and reflects upon the Child of God contrary to the Apostle John's Testimony of him 1 John 3. 5. 18. Psal. 119. 1 2 3. Object The prevailing Interest of his Soul is for God above the Flesh and the World and so long he is right in God's Sight right Righteous or perfect according to the Law of Grace although there be a Thousand Things wherein he might do more Good or less Evils then he doth and so is Imperfect Vnrighteous and a manifold Sinner c. page 25. Animad This is still worse and worse and a gross Reflection upon the Child of God in this latter Part which is inconsistant with the former and to me appears no other then Confusion which is a Fruit of Sin and Transgression for that the Child of God should be thus Righteous and Perfect according to the Law of Grace which is Perfect Pure and Holy and yet be chargeable with a Thousand Things wherein he might do more Good or less Evil then he does this appears very Unnatural as well as Inconsistant That We plead Justification according to some Law that we are Innocent according to that Law page 25 Is true and that is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ the Law of Faith the Law of â—râ—ce the Law of the New Covenant which admits not of the Continuance of these or any Evils he seems to accuse the Child of God with Object This being seen they come on too fast that they sin not before they have learned to distinguish between Law and Law Righteousness and Righteousness Justification and Justification Sin and Sin page 25 26. Animad Though we do not judge it necessary for the Child of God to learn all this Man's Distinctions yet we cannot own his Charge that we come on too fast as not to sin for we know though it be an Estate attainable yet it is not by making haste nor by Man's own Willing or Running but by a Dependence on the Grace of God and it is sufficient for us that we have experimentally learned to distinguish what is necessary both in our spiritual Travail and conducing to a happy End which is a REAL RIGHTEOVSNESS and JVSTIFICATION according to the Law of Faith and Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus partaken of and enjoyed within Sect. XIV I must say with them where they have our Divines on the blind Side they are justified according to the Law of Faith or as they are judged at the Throne of Grace but no Flesh living can be justified according to the Law of Works Animad But then he keeps not to this but varies with his but they do sin they are Vnrighteous explâ—ins this Law of Works to be at the Baâ—r of the Ten Commandments whereas though I grant that by the Law of Works no Flesh living can be justified with all its own Endeavours of Conformity thereto because of it self it still fails yet I can never grant that the Law of Faith will suffer us to continue in Sin or be Unrighteous nor yet that the Apostle intends by the Law of Works the Substance of the Ten Commandments to wit Real LOVE to God and one to another I cannot believe that he excluded this from a Justified Estate but rather the Shadowy Part and Jewish Imitation of the Letter without Faith in Christ an absolute Justified State being according to the Law of Faith herein we must differ but again he assents to the Truth viz. Those that will follow Christ shall argue as strictly if we be justified by Grace then we must be righteous and perfect according to the Law of it the Orthodox are quite out that ☞ will have any justified without a Righteousness that is perfect according to the Law that justifies him Animad Oh! That he were but well accquainted with this Law of Faith and would keep to it then we should not have this strugling and turning about to uphold Sin or the Breach of the Ten Commandments in Justified Persons wherein he goes about again viz. Object The Quaker is quite out that will have his Righteousness perfect according to the Ten Commandments which doth not justifie him page 26. Animad No the sincere Quaker is within who owns the Life of God and Christ in his Heart and knoweth that God requires perfect LOVE with ALL the Heart and Soul c. and this in the New Covenant not to make void the Law of the Ten Commandments as to the Substance and End thereof for LOVE is the Fulfilling of the Law the Commandment is Love out of a pure Heart and do we make void the Law through Faith No we establish it yet it is neither meerly by the ten Commandments nor by any of our own outward or litteral Observatinon tâ—ereof that we are justified but by him that enables and strengthens us to the Real and Spiritual Obedience of Faith Now the Righteousness of God without the Law is manifested being testified by the Law and the Prophets see Rom. 3. 21. to the End Concess The lover of Truth and Mediocrity will have every man have the Righteousness of a perfect Heart for his Justification and yet no Man be justified but by the Grace of God through Redemption which we have in Christ Jesus page 26. Animad I wish this Man and all others that oppose or dispute against us were such Lovers of Truth and Possessors of this Righteousness of a PERFECT Heart so much pretended to and talked of and so little experienced amongst Men and that this Redemption which the Saints had in Christ Jesus were experienced and livingly possessed this would end the Controversie about Notions and Opinions It is true that Pardon of Sin and Justification may in some Sense be distinguished though not divided there is Pardon of Sin and Transgressions that were under the first Testament or of Sins past When the Act of Faith is known in the Blood of Christ which is in Order to Justification being some Degree of it there is a further Degree of Justificatâ—on
Faith to Faith his Parenthesis from Christ as without is needleâ—s and impertinent seeing neither Christ nor his saving Grace are divided whether without or within or both and the same Grace Virtue Spirit Life and Redemption that was in Christ as without is received from the same Christ as within Object But if Christ's Redemption lay altogether where they place it in bringing Mâ—â— off from Sin and Vnrighteousness unto Holiness and Perfection even such as to live without Sin in this World then Redemption cannot be Vniversal page 23. Animad Here we must distinguish to shew how groundless this Objection is for 1 st His Redemption is Universal for all Mankind as it is in him respecting his being an universal Sacrifice and Propitiation by his Death and Blood for all mankind while we were Enemies Christ died God was in Christ reconciling the World to himself the Price is universal But 2 dly It is they who only believe in him that receive this Redemption and they who are not only reconciled through his Death but also saved by his Life who by him have received the Attonement or Peace made by him so that though the Redemption and Price as in Christ or on his Part be universal yet the End thereof is not received by all but only by those who believe and live unto him and so the Glory of our Redemption Salvation we ascribe unto him who gave himself for us that he might redeem us from all Iniquity which answereth the End and manifesteth the compleatness of that Redemption for which Christ gave himself Object I Do not think that the Quaker alone is in the Dark about this matter yet these Men I count here are most of all out they look upon the Works of Christ's Redemption to be the Work of Christ within so they speak and so they think altogether and then wilfully confound Sanctification and Redemption Animad This is a Mistake we do not confound them yet must confess they are received together as inseparable where Christ is made unto any Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption for the receiving Redemption through his Blood even the Forgiveness of Sins cannot be without Sanctification which is both gradually carried on and effected by the Work of Christ within although I do confess Redemption was manifestly or publickly set forth and declared by Christ as without in his Sufferings Death and Blood as the Introduction and Preparation of the Way into the New Covenant he consecrated and set open the New and Living Way through the Vail that is to say his Flesh. Object The Quaker doth place Christ's Redemption in bringing us up to these Terms the Performance whereof is indeed our Gospel Perfection but he is here so miserably out that he both mistakes the Termes or this Perfection as if it were no less then the fulfilling of every Jot of the Law it self and also contradicts himself in the best Tenet he hath Animad Though we confess Christ Râ—demption to be twofold both as in him and in us respectâ—ng his Fulfilling the Law his suffering for us as also his fulfilling the Righteousness of the Law in us yet our Accuser is herein either overâ—een in wording his Matter or mistaken in the Matter it self for 1 st We place not Christ's Redemption in bringing us to fulfil every jot of the Law it self for much of it is abolished as the litteral and shadowy Part though the Substance thereof remains not to be made void through Faith but established yet this we have not obtained either by our own Strength or Imitation of the Letter but through the Righteousness of Faith in Christ bringing us up to the Word of Faith in our Hearts to obey it and do it so that our Redemption by him is not to serve in the oldness of the Letter which made nothing perfect but in the Newness of the Spirit which perfectly sanctifies 2 dly And in this we do not think our selves out but in even the Truth and within even in the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus not out in the Letter but within in the Spirit not out in the Righteousness of the Law which Paul calls his own but within in the Righteousness of Faith walking in the Spirit 3 dly And herein we are not conscious of Self contradiction in any of our Tenets much less in the best this Objection is taken off by our confessing Vniversal Grace and Redemption in Christ towards all and for all Mankind and yet this Grace and Redemption not taking effect in all but only in them who believe and repent which Men are not irresistably forced to but generally called and 〈◊〉 to Faith being also offered unto all by Christ and the World being reproved of their Sin of Unbelief by the Spirit of Truth Sect. XIII It is true what he saith viz. Our Divines we call orthodox do generally stumble upon this same Stone in their Dâ—nyal of Christ's Redemption to be Vniversal that he hath procured that all may be saved if they believe and repent which are our new Terms unless he hath procured also that they believe and repent but it is the Elect only do believe and repent and therefore they hold Redemption only of the Elect. Animad 'T is very true there are too many that stumble about this and deny Christ's Universal Redemption and the Sufficiency thereof and so oppose the general Extent of saving Grace partially limiting and restraining the universal Sense and intent of those Testimonies of Scripture which assert that Christ gave himself a Ransom for all and that by the Grace of God he tasted Death for every Man c. these they confine only to the Elect herein they are not Orthodox but are stumbling in the dark Object Let the Quaker then know it is not Christ's bringing Man up to the Terms of God but his bringing down God to the Terms of Man that is such as are suitable to his fallen State wherein the great Work he hath done for us is to be fixed page 25. Animad Truly the Quaker doth not know how to own this Doctrine in the Termes of it on either Hand as it is stated for Christ came to bring Man up to God and those Tearms that he hath tendered in Christ for Life and Salvation are his Tearms and God was in Christ reconciling the World to himself though it was God's free Love thus far to condescend in the Son of his Love for Man's Restoration yet Man must also be brought up to meet God in his own Covenant of Life in Christ who is the Mediator not to bring God down to the Tearms of Fallen Man but as a Mediator which is not of one but betwixt two both to bring God's Love and evidence his Kindness to man and also to restore Man out of his Fallen Estate into Covenant and Reconciliation with God so as God and his Creature meet in his Son Christ Jesus who is the Son of his Love Seeing it is
bring Death and is the Ministration of Sin and Condemnation An. His Sigh Alas Sirs for us and Consequence upon us are both groundless and the Consequence of his own Mistake still as that we are ready to return into a Jewish or Natural Bondage o seek Life from that only which can bring Death c. this hath no Truth in it we neither seek Life from the Letter which killeth nor from any Ministration without the Spirit nor are we Ministers of the Letter nor do we sow to the Flesh but Ministers of the Gospel of the Spirit and of the New Testament knowing that 't is the Spirit that giveth Life And if ye through the Spirit do mortifie the Deeds of the Flesh or the Fruits thereof which are corrupt then shall ye live Sect. XVIII Object page 31. His other Consequence of our Doctrine is of Evils more secret and spiritual much more deadly to the Soul then their ordinary Sins as Persons wrought over to us immediately to look on all others at a distance even to a Contempt of the most grave serious holy Professors but as Men altogether in the Dark without Light or Life to be separated from c. as also Insolence and in finite Presumption falling into the Condemnation of the Devil Pride spiritual Pride the most damnable Pride proud of God's Grace Monstrous overweening Conceit of a Man's Self despising continually censuring and setting at nought of others c. An. These are sad Inferences we have enough of them he should have spared such censuring whilest he is opposing others for contemning and censuring but these are no wayes deducible either from our Doctrine or Testimony which is for a sincere Obedience and real Conformity to Christ Jesus and following of his Steps who left no such Example as either spiritual Pride Insolence Presumption or Self-conceit but of Meekness and Humility â—et gave true and severe Judgement against Hypocrites As for the Prudent the sober and pious among us whom he mentions they see no such Consequence of our Doctrine as this man suggests nor any Cause to mourn for any natural Effects of our Testimony but rather for their Miscarriages and Abuses who are disobedient to the Truth thereof and for such Professors as undervalue pervert and misrepresent that holy Testimony which God hath committed unto us they are at a real Distance from us and far from being the most grave â—erions or holy Professors It 's true as he saith That the Way of Christians is to be humble to debase themselves to make self of no Reputation after the Example of their Lord and Master and as he saith to live altogether on Dependence upon God each Man in Lowliness of Mind c. An. This is the Christianity and Perfection we aim at and bear witness unto and which many are pressing towards and what better what more pure and perfect â—tate is desirable then to live altogether on Dependence upon God But how well this Man 's opposing our Doctrine of Perfection and living without Sin agrees with his Concession of living altogether on Dependence upon God let the serious Reader judge Object Last of all there is that exceeding Danger in the entertainment of that Opinion that I am afraid at my Heart it cannot consist with the Grace of God and Justification of a Sinner by Christ it is a high Text that if you be circumcised Christ shall profit you nothing I am really afraid at my very Heart Sirs lest your Case be the very same in Effect with these viz. that of the Galatians and Jews which was a looking to the Law only for Righteousness not to the chief End of it which was through Conviction of Sin to drive them to God for his Pardon An. 1st Friend this Fear of thine appears a very dark and groundless Fear for first hast thou not confest that such a Perfection as to live without sin is our Duty 2dly That it is not impossible but that it is possible to attain this state of keeping God's Commandments and being without sin by Grace or the special Assistance of God's spirit page 6 7. 3dly That the Quakers ascribe not to themselves but to the spirit the Life the Power or to Christ within all that they do page 8. Well said come on enough to clear the Quakers from giving the occasion of such a Fear concerning them do not let such a Fear lie upon thy Heart for their Case is far enough from that of the Galatians and Jews who sought to be made perfect in the Flesh set up their own Righteousness being gone from the Spirit and Law of Life within into the Letter and Ministration of Death without whereas the Quakers Obedience through the Spirit the Life or Power of Christ within is no Self-righteousness nor Fleshly Perfection fetched or sought from the Letter without but very well both consistant with and springing from the Grace of God the Pardon and Justification of a Sinner by Christ who is the Author of Eternal Salvation to all them that obey him and is only the Righteousness and Justification of such who believe in him obey him and walk sincerely before him Object But you have taken up an Opinion that the whole Law must be kept That 's a Mistake that you must live without sin and unless you come up to this Pitch you cannot be saved An. First It is not our Opinion that the whole Law must be kept but 〈◊〉 much of it as God requires that is what concerns the New Covenant wherein God doth both pardon and take away Sin 2 dly to â—â—ve without iSn is required in the New Covenant and is the Effect of Christ's saving Work who was called JESUS for this Cause and to fulfil this Promise namely He shall save his People from their sins and this no wayes hinders our acknowledging him to be our Advocate nor yet opposeth that Saying If any Man sin we have an Advocate with the Father even Jesus Christ the Righteous through whom both Pardon and Deliverance out of sin is obtained for If any Man sin is no positive Conclusion that every Man sinneth or that none of God's People live without Sin but rather implies that though it be possible that some may siâ— â—et they may be holpen preserved out of it there are or may become that do not sin for If any man sin is not that every Man doth sin As for These Friends meaning Quakers being at the Bar of the Gospel they see no Cause either to look upon themselves as declining the Grace of the Gospel or to have forfeited their Interest in that Freedom which belongs to honest Christian Folks through thy Redemption that is in Christ Jesus whatever this Man hath insinuated against them or charged upon them to the contrary nor will they appeal from thesâ— Terms under which they are brought by Christ or from the Terms of the Gospel to the Terms of the Law neither will they be judged by this Man's Consequences what Foolishness soever he therein chargeth upon them The Danger he surmiseth the sincere Quaker sears not nor are we who are called Quakers doubtful what shall become of us before the great Tribunal of God while we have the Testimony of a good Conscience holding our Integrity and abiding in Christ Jesus the Son of the Father's Love in whom we have Access with Boldness unto the Throne of Grace knowing also that he that abides in Christ sinneth not and if our Heart condemn us not then have we Confidence towards God near is he that justifieth who shall condemn who shall lay any thing to the Charge of God's Elect It is God that justifieth unto whom it is said thy People shall be all Righteous Finished London the 3d. of the 12th Moneth 1674. G. W. THE END Pag. 3 4. Pag. 5. pag. 6. pag. 7. pag. 6. pag. 8. pag. 8 9. Concess pag. 8 9. pag. 10 pag. 12. pag. 12 13. page 14. Luke 16. 10. see also Mat. 5 10. A plain Concession to truth pag. 14. pag. 15. pag ibid. page 18. page 18. page 18 19. And what he cites is also true viz. De. Peccato ad Mortem quoniam non exprâ—ssum est possuâ—t diversa sentiri ego autem dico id esse Peccatum Fidâ—m quae per Dilectionem operatur dâ—serere usque ad Mortem Concerning Sin unto Death because it is not expressâ—d dâ—vers Things may be thought of it but I say that sin is this to desert or never come up to that Faith which worketh by Love unto Death August de Con. et Gra. chap. 12. Concess page 19. Col. 1. 21 22. page 24. 1 Pet. 3. 18. Conâ—ess pag. 26. Concess pag. 26. pag. 27. Rom. 7 Concession to Truth 1 John 1. 7. pag. 29. Rom. 6. 4 5 6 7 11 15 22. 5. 17 20 21. His other Excuse for their divines pag. 29. Though 't is trnc herein this Author seems to dâ—sown them by â—nfessing a Possibility to live without sin through the assistance of God's holy Spirit page 7 8. yet this Man bordâ—rs too near their Doctrine for sin in not believing nor confessing to any of the Saints keeping Christ's Commandments or their perfect Obedience but in arguing for the contrary which reflects Sin and Imperfection on all the Saints of God and true Christians pag. 29 30. A supposed Objection yet not inconsistant with our Principle * Contrary to 1 John 4. 17 18. This is a plain Untruth Concess to Truth page 32. page 32. page 33.