judged out of thine own mouth to speak contrary unto thy own light And though thou wouldest infer from the Apostles words 2 Pet. 1. 19. That there is a light which shines in the creature before Christ come yet that light thou art faine to acknowledge doth proceed from the Son and lead unto him so that Christ is still the Fountain and first cause of light and by the light of Christ within we come to see and know that the Scriptures are the sure Word of God and so we are led into the pure Religion according to what is written in the Scriptures of truth and the end of this Scripture is again to turn us unto Christ who is the spirit and truth of the Scriptures and so Christ is still the first and last in all the discoveries we have of God he is all the light we have by night and day and though the Scriptures are a precious light yet all the light that is in them is but borrowed from the Son and if we see them not know them not in his light and through his light they may shine long enough before the day will break in our hearts but when Christ leads us into the meaning of Scriptures and brings us to live in the power and truth of them which is himself then by degrees it becomes day with us and this day still leads us into the pure Religion according to what is written within and without and when we wander in the least is as a voice behinde us saying this is the way walke in it this is the old way And this voice of Christ alone hath such power in it both to begin and perfect us in Religion that without it all we do is not well done and so is but the sacrifice of the wicked which is an abomination And so to sum up this know 1. That ye cannot know the meaning of the Scriptures without Christ 2. Ye cannot live the life of the Scriptures without Christ lead ye into it 3. Ye cannot be in the pure Religion without Christ first work it and bring it into being and light in the heart 4. Ye cannot be in the volume of the book in a clear reading of what is written much lesse in the life and body of the book which is Christ the substance without Christ himself manifested in you And so thou who seemest to be Religious learn to bridle thine own tongue otherwise thou doest but deceive thine own heart and all thy Religion is vaine and learn to know thine own light who in thine answer to my ten queries about the light that is in heathens and the light that is peculiar to the Saints of God sayest that the light of Christ is the only guide to them that follow it and besides it there is no guide to Jew or Gentile And so if this light of Christ be the onely guide surely it must be the onely guide into all pure Religion and so the first principle of that which is pure And thou who criest out O shame art judged out of thine own mouth to be shamelesse impudent in scoffing at the first principle of pure Religion to be the Son of God dwelling in us Repl. In mine answer to thy second Question thou deniest the Fathers work and will to be the yoke of Christ and tellest me That I who am a stranger to the first principle of pure Religion from me is the yoke of Christ and the burden of Christ hid and so I am coming about the thing in words but the thing it self is hid from me c. Answ The Pharisees were full of questions and in their fastings disfiguring their faces sad countenances outside holines great abstinence vain repetitions striving and contending against every thing but what themselves did or spake were a fit figure of this questioning generation Thou dark Pharisee thou lookest so much upon thy questions thou canst not look at all upon the answer If thou speak of the Person of Christ the Mediator which thou deniest his work was to glorify his Father on earth to finish the work which he gave him to do If thou speak of Christ the manifestation of the Father in his Children his work is there likewise to do the will of his Father by subjecting the creature to the yoke or will of God that God may be glorified so that the Fathers work and will is Christs yoke which he was contented to be subject unto And this is the Christians yoke that Christ teaches the soul wherein he lives to put his neck under and be subject unto And so the yoke of Christ what was it and what is it but to be subject to his Fathers will Not to be his own but his Fathers I came not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me But what was the work of God which Christ had to do Answer It lay in two things 1. To bear our griefs and carry our sorrows to be smitten wounded and grieved for our iniquities to bear our sin and all the sorrow grief and Hell due unto us for them 2. His work was likewise to make reconciliation and peace manifest unto the World and to work mens hearts into a belief of what he hath done and wrought for them to bring about their deliverance and salvation Wert thou rightly acquainted with this work and the meeknesse and lowlinesse of the person who wrought it thou wouldst soon see this to be a great yoke and taske to come under and do But this is History and to shew thy self wise this is trampled under thy feet and of no account with thee and so thou deniest the Lord that bought thee and in thy dark fancie leapest into the mystery and sayest I see not that which turns the creature into the work and will of God Here thou art upon the light within and thâ—s thou art still dreaming of though thou know not what it is nor whence it comes for this would never move thee to slight the letter the History the bloud of Christ without but would bring thee into a rejoycing in all the Fathers work and will which the Son lived in Repl. Further thou sayest The yoke of Christ is where the work and wil of the Devil is lived in for Christ is the true light Answ And so say I too The work and will of God ought to be lived in by that man who wrests his neck from the yoke and scorns to be subject unto God as his father And thus the light tells me it is with thee thou livest in the nature which spurns off the yoke living in pride and high conceit of thine own worth in haughtinesse envy and strife and this makes thee fancy thy self to be a Christ and God and so instead of judging thy self and confessing thine own vilenesse and nothingnesse thou must speak evil of thy brother and condemne all besides thy self Nay God and Christ and Scripture and light within must all concurre
me out of the great City Sodom that he may live and reign in me for evermore But thou tellest me Repl. I have libertie to act unrighteousnesse thou art merry in the flesh thou canst laugh and jeer tender consciences and scorn such as are not in the same fleshly libertie which thee thou canst now oppresse an whole Parish and live by dishonest gain and make merry with Ranters feast drinke hunt card c. Answ There was and still is within me more and more that which hath and doth passe sentence upon these and the like unrighteous acts finde the faithfull and true witnesse judging and pleading in me against these cruell bloudy enemies and what I am guilty of in any of these particulars thou comest too late to be my judge there is one in the midst of my spirit whom thou knowest not he hath rebuked and saved me through his grace and so the lying spirit in thee is cozened of his prey as for my jeering tender consciences I know what it is to grieve and wound such and to offend one of the least of the little ones that believe in Christ I know liberty of conscience is the great interest of all the people of God in the Nation and a thing which I cannot but stand up and plead for according to my light in my generation Neither shall all the indignities and injuries that I meet with from any in the world ever make me to plead for bonds or fetters or burdens to be laid and put upon tender consciences and in this I speak the truth before the Lord I lye not Repl. But thou tellest me I am a Ranter Answ I know blasphemy against the holy Ghost shall never be forgiven unto men and that it is impossible for those who have tasted of the heavenly gift as many of the Ranters have if they fall away to be renewed again unto repentance and that I have abhorred the blasphemous filthy talk and practice of Ranters I can speak it with comfort to the praise of God my Father and that there are such amongst us I cannot remember it in secret without thinking what a sad judgement of God it is for men to be given up to such strong delusions to believe lies such as these are the shame of our Nation and the great abuse of our present liberty And yet let not the high-minded Quaker glory over these poor deluded Ranters seeing publicans and harlots shall enter into the kingdom of God before the lofty Pharisees Repl. Thou sayest further out of the old bottle I poure out scoffes and yet professe Christ in all Aâ—sw Why hath Satan filled thine heart with nothing else but lying How many scoffes doest thou finde in my papers I sent thee Look see and how many times doest thou finde me scoffing and yet professing Christ in all What thou in the pure Religion in the strength of the light within and yet all along at Satans work remember that if for every idle word surely for every lye thou must give an account at the day of judgement Thou tellest me Repl. Christ is all among them who have put off the old man and his deeds and thou quotes a place Coll. 3. 4. 10 11. I answer Answ Surely then Christ is not all with thee who hast not put off thine anger wrath malice blasphemy lying scoffing which every page if not line in thy vain paper makes abundantly manifest to thy face against thee all these proceeding from the old man in thee makes it plain that Christ is not all in thee and therefore art thou a stranger to the elect of God to the holy and beloved seed who are alwayes putting on bowels of mercies kindnesse humblenesse of minde meeknesse longsuffering forbearing and forgiving even as Christ hath forgiven them in love But to give thee thy due praise thou hast spoken one truth Christ is indeed the glory and fulnesse where he is manifested in power to cast out the strong man and his deeds when I finde it so in thee I shall yield thou hast had a fit of real true trembling But instead of looking home thou art found still at thine old trade and tellest me Repl. I have not put off the deeds of the old man when there was some tendernesse in mee and some desires to come out of pride oppression coveteousnesse all is gone and I am found among the flesh-pots of Egypt and had better never to have been born than to make ship-wrak of that tendernesse once known by me Answ This is but the old lesson over and over and over again like a Quakers Sermon and as heathens prayers full of vain repetitions And by this I know what he is to expect that reveales a secret to a scornfull Quaker Yet know I am so tender still as to abhorre pride oppression coveteousnesse neither do I persecute or deal unrighteously with any as many great pretenders have done with me and still doe at this day But God hath delivered and doth deliver and will deliver me from every snare and gin of unreasonable wicked men and he it is that keeps me from making shipwrak of tendernesse faith and conscience Repl. Further thou tellest me what is done in tâ—e wildernesse there is the way of holinesse known and walked in which the unclean walk not in but the redeemed in which is no erring Isa 35 8. Which way is a way of holinesse which I am not in c. Answ Here 's a good wildernesse indeed but thou hast lost thy way thither and art found erring and wandring in a wildernesse where no water is and so art not found drinking in holinesse from the Lord but feeding upon the weeds of thine own fleshly holinesse exalting thy self not with the redeemed in the Lord but with the imprisoned in a strange land in thine own observations And thou poor worm who sayest I eat upon swines flesh I feed upon the perishing I eat that which dies of it self all these speeches together with all thy paper savour too much of thy swines flesh and of thy feeding upon thy swines flesh which is thine own will and self and form and therefore art thou found in the way of the world clamourous bitter cruell implacable against all that wander not with thee in thy wildernesse of flesh and bloud and now and then thou makest use of a Scripture to cover and hide thy swines flesh which thy spirit too much feeds upon and so no wonder though there be no joy or gladnesse to be seen in thy countenance seeing thou hast no better flesh to feed upon than swines flesh which kils the spirit and so neither thine heart is merry nor thy countenance cheerfull Repl. Further thou tellest me I say in Canaan is no judging and so out of mine own mouth thou judgest me out of Canaan who in my Queries have again and again judged thee Answ In my Queries indeed I desire to see the strength and light thou walkest in neither do I
and so not for Christ but for your selves And surely so long as so much of thy self lives that thou must needs be Christ not with him or in him but he himself all this while thou dost not suffer thy self to come under the Crosse of Christ Further know friend what it means to be saved by hope to hope for that we see not and so with patience to wait for it Ye know Pauls desire was to be dissolved and to be with Christ and he cries out if in this life onely wee have hope in him we are of all men most miserable therefore wait the day and time of your dissolution Read 2 Cor. 5. 1. to 10. The life of hope is a sweet life seeing the grace came from heaven looks back into heaven and never leaves groaning and longing till it return into the bosom of the Father and the earthly house be changed into the heavenly Therefore be not over-hasty thou knowest the men that would enter in without God were slain therefore be not high-minded but fear It 's a sad thing to be undone by our own works undone by Religion observation abstinence as many an Hermit Monk and man hath been Be as holy as thou wilt in the holy place in Christ onely glory not in thy formall holinesse Thou dreamest thou art Christ and in the holiest and yet all can see thee in weaknesse darknesse and in infirmities like other men But I would not break thy neck but rebuke thee with patience though all this will provoke thee to scorn and to turn again and rent me And therefore I 'le let thee alone to be discovered by the light and day of God Repl. Thou goest on to spend a little more breath against Tythes and Tythepriest and hirelings who denie Christ Answ This is no news therefore I 'le let it passe in silence till we come more fully to speak of Tythes But thou sayest Repl. Vnto us a reed is given like unto a rod and the Temple of God we know and the Altar and them that worship therein and thee to be in the Gentiles court I see among the prophane Answ Here thou wilt be measuring though thou want the rod of strength that is out of Sion and so knowest not how to measure the Temple and the Altar and the worship that God sets up in Sion What is below thee thou mayest measure but what is above thy reason thou canst not see to measure well till thou art born into it Therefore be not wise in thine own conceit boasting of things beyond thy measure seeing not hee who commends himself is approved but whom the Lord commendeth That I am in the Gentiles Court by nature I know is true But that God hath led me out to worship in his Temple and to sacrifice upon his Altar according to the measure of his son in me this thou canst not see and yet I dare not commend my self as thou dost knowing I have nothing but what I have received and so must not glory in my self but in the Lord But thou sayest Repl. I have slain the witnesse which quickened shall be and kindle my torment and none shall quench it Answ The witnesse that was living in me is living still he is not slain and dead but alive to reprove me when I wander and to heal and revive me again with the sweetnesse and comelinesse of his voice and countenance And by this faithfull and true witnesse the false witnesse is slain the floud of the Dragon swallowed up and though he be quickned in thee and others to affright me yet he torments me not his fire is quenched by the Lords goodnesse and mercy and so I shall dwell in the house of the Lord for ever Repl. But death hath passed over me and reigns over me thou sayest Answ Yet can see deliverance from his sting and power in my spirit though I know he dwels in my flesh and reigns there and so he doth in thee And notwithstanding thy passing the first and second resurrection yet there is a resurrection which yet remains and a last day too which thou shalt know to thy torment and wo who knowest not the Scripture in this nor the power of God Repl. Thou sayest further Them which sin not after the similitude of Adams transgression I know not nor what it is that death hath passed over and so am I reasoning and ghessing it may be infants in yeares who have death written in their natures and thou biddest me shew such a Scripture that infants have death written in their natures else the plagues I must have Rev. 22. 18. Answ What I spake of Infants was and is a clear truth they sin not as Adam did and yet they die And that they have death written in their natures I wonder with what face thou canst deny Doth not their dayly dying shew that this enemy death lives in their natures And for Scripture to prove this what thinkest thou by Davids Childe by Bathsheba that died 2 Sam. 12. 18. Was not death written in this Childs nature See how wise thou art But thou goest on to tell me Repl. I say it may be Infants in knowledge and here I am ghessing which shews forth another spirit then wrote the Scriptures and so thou sayest neither of Infants in year nor of Infants in knowledge did Paul speak but said death reigned from Adam to Moses even over them c. Rom 5. 14. But that them I know not therefore put my ghessings and meanings to the Scripture Answ That which I spake concerning Infants in knowledge is a truth too who though they have not such knowledge as Adam had and so their sin be not so great because their light is not so great yet they have a light which being sinned against that sin lets in death upon them To confute this thou bringest nothing but thy bare word that it is not so and so let it go I could have told thee that that Scripture was to be understood of your fruitfull generation as you call it that death reigns over you even you also that have not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression that are not so bad as Adam found sinning and eating of the forbidden Tree yet even you must dye This I know you dream is the truth of that Scripture yet this is but a ghesse too and as little true as mine Understand it of whom you will you must put your own meaning when you are asked who is meant by that particle them seeing the Scripture doth not there deteâ—mine it And if your meaning may go why not anothers that hath as much face of truth as yours But when you discover your selves I shall know better what to reply unto Further thou tellest me Repl. Once there was some tendernesse in me because of sin some groaning for deliverance setting my feet in a way that leadeth out of Egypt but a Captain I chose wheeled about into Egypt and in the lusts
priest-hood he cries out wilt thou believe nothing but Scripture Thus the man can add and take away at his pleasure though such are accursed of God Gal. 1. 8 9. Rev. 22 18. Further applying the speech of Christ unto himself before Abraham was I am I asking him whether he was not ashamed did ever Saint apply that unto himself He answered he understood it of the Spirit that was within him blasphemously applying the Divine Spirit that dwelt in the Son of God to the filthy Spirit of Belial that dwelt in him And yet this man must be perfect sinlesse and infallible But to let him alone with his father the Devil and to come to another with whom I had some dealing by conference and by questions and answers and replies on both sides This man was one Thomas Lawson who had a companion with him This man and his companion I finde contradicting the other in two things 1. Lawcock he owns the sufferings of Christ but not his dying yet another time both his suffering and dying But Lawson scoffs at the sufferings and dying of Christ in the flesh as none of his Crosse as you shall see in his papers Here 's no Harmony you see amongst the Quakers but Quaker against Quaker one against another 2. Lawson's companion told me he was Christ and what he spake was Scripture This Lawson yielded unto by his silence But Lawcock denied this speech and his brethren in it though he said in effect as much when he cried out Before Abraham was I am yet he would not be Christ Still here 's Satan divided against Satan and so it must be that his Kingdom may fall And yet these wretched men delude poor people and say that at the meetings of Quakers in the North when there have been three hundred and five hundred Quakers together they have been all of one heart and one minde and so they are indeed being all under the power of the Prince of the air the Spirit that now works in all the Children of disobedience where I leave them in chains of darknesse to the judgement of the great day As concerning their questions propounded to me in writing I gave them but a brief answer not minding to make any thing publick unto the world knowing mine inability to come forth in print in the midst of such a variety of judgements abroad yet receiving a reply from Lawson full of lying and railings and evil surmisings I was pressed in my spirit to give some satisfaction unto my friends of these mens folly and madnesse as also of mine own experiences in the dealings of God with me so far as concerns the matter in hand And therefore my dear hearts put on the whole Armour of God that ye may be able to stand in the midst of all the windes and storms of Satans fury lean to the Rock Christ wherein is everlasting strength to keep you in this hour of temptation and confusion Own the unity of the spirit the seed of God in all your companions in tribulation and make this the bond of peace All ye whose faces are toward Sion fall not out by the way Live in peace and love Though there be a variety of wayes thither according to Gods Divine dispensations yet in all the wayes of God there is an Unity and Harmony as they tend to one point and center of rest and joy in himself Make him thine aim then he is the Sion we are all going unto Be not discouraged by the way though some draw back others grow weary others step aside others revile and blaspheme Look thou to God he is thy father thou art his Son and Heir Let all thy knowledge and wisdom and light and graces and comforts thou hast received from God make thee not great and high and something but little and low and nothing still in thine own estimation Take heed of Thorns and Bryars and Chaffe and this untoward generation of Godlesse shamelesse men And so I commend thee unto him who is able to keep thee from falling and to present thee blamelesse before the Throne of his glory to whom be praise and dominion in the Church by Jesus Christ throughout all ages world without end Thine in the Lord Magnus Byne The scornfull QUAKERS ANSWERED And their railing Reply refuted Quest WHat is the first principle of pure Religion Answ The first principle of pure Religion is the Son of God dwelling in us He is the band of union between God and us or an Emanuell God with us He who lives in this principle is taught to be Religious And so he is bound and tied by love to worship the Father in Spirit who is the Center into which all Religion runnes and where all that is pure stayes Quest What is the Yoke of Christ Answ It s the Fathers work and will This is easy to the Son because of that spirit or principle of love that dwell's in him to his Father which moves him naturally and affectionately to do the will of his Father and to finish his work And this is the yoke that lyes upon every Christian Quest What is the Burden of Christ Answ It s his sufferings under all the weaknesses infirmities and sins of the world from the beginning thereof to this very day who is therefore called the Lambe slain from the foundation of the world This is light to the invincible Spirit of Christ who alone is able to overcome evill with good though the least reproach or suffering be a grievous load and burden to the weak low Spirit of flesh and blood which centers and lives no higher than self and this creation And this is the burden of every Christian which through faith is made light and easy to overcome as it is written Whosoever is born of God overcometh the world and this is the victory that overcometh the world even our faith 1 Joh. 3. 4. Quest What is the Talent which to every one is given to improve Answ It s that measure of the light and truth which is given to and manifested in every man which comes into the world as it is written of Christ He was the true light which lighteth every one who cometh into the world John 1. 9. Quest What is the Crosse of Christ and what doth it tend unto Answ It s the crucifying dying and suffering in the flesh which the head and all the members must and shall passe thorow or be baptized with before they enter into the glory of the Father which tends to the burning up of all fleshly visibilities discoveries enioyments dispensations that are temporall and shadowish that the Father and his Son and Sonnes may live in that oneness of spirit and glory where God shal be all in all Quest Who are they that bring their Talent out of the earth it to improve Answ Those who through the eternall spirit arise from under all the rubbish of the elementary world whence and where all bodies by the strong Word of
or liquor to be drunk in this Kingdom but spiritual liquor onely poured out of a spiritual cup into a spiritual body Quest What is the flesh and bloud of Christ which except a man eat and drink he hath no life in him which eating and drinking he that doth it knows he dwels in Christ and Christ in him Whether this be outward bread and wine yea or nay And whether his flesh and bloud can be carried about in baskets and bottles yea or nay seeing at Christs preaching of this the Jewes which had the letter strove about that saying And many of the Disciples murmured and said it was an hard saying who could heare it and turned away and walked no more with Jesus Answ That flesh and bloud of Christ which gives life to Saints must needs be spiritual this is that which quickens when the outward Sacramentall profits little this spiritual flesh and bloud of Christ is his pure nature and vertue which creates life quickens nourishes and feeds the soul of the Christian up in his spiritual life and union with the Father And when this spiritual nature vertue or body of Christ in spirit is given into the soul then the soul can say in truth I know the Son of God is come and hath given me an understanding to know him that is true and I am in him that is true even in his Son Jesus Christ And this Iesus Christ is the true God unto the Saint and the eternall life of the Saint and in this day the Christian knows that Christ is his by being in him and he is Christs by dwelling in him and he who knows not this hath no true Christ nor life This the Jews of old and the Jews in spirit still looke upon as an hard saying that the very body and bloud of Christ must thus be eaten in spirit otherwise no eternal life give them the flesh that they may be sensible of as for this Jesus in spirit they cannot receive him because they see him not neither know him Quest The cup of blessing which Paul spake of to the Corinthians who were the Temples of the holy Ghost which they blessed which was the Communion of the bloud of Christ and the bread which they brake which was the â—ommunion of the body of Christ whether was this an outward cup and outward bread yea or nay Was that oâ—â— bread which they were all partakers of outward yea or nay The Cup of the Lord and the Table of the Lord which Paul spake of to the Corinthians was they an outward Cup and Table yea or nay The Cup of Devils and the Table of Devils was they an outward Cup and Table yea or nay Answ I answer in brief they are all to be understood of inward and spiritual things though the outward figures and things are not to be contemned so long as the Lord makes them a Table for his weak children to sit with him at to give them out refreshing and comforts in their weaknesse But when the Lord is clearly gone out of an administration then that becomes through Satans getting into it a Table of the Devil which he sets his dark children at to cozen them with a shew and shadow when the truth and life and substance is gone Quest What is the beast which Iohn saw was like unto a Leopard Answ The beast is the wisdom and understanding of the flesh or spirit of man which in the various turnings windings appearances and comings of it forth according to the reason and wisdom and apprehensions of men in the dark world of flesh and bloud is like unto a party coloured or spotted beast such as the Leopard is Hence it 's written can the Leopard change his spots Can the wisdom of the flesh and the bestial man change his fowl and beastly abominations of all sorts which stick and grow up in his nature Besides I have read of the Leopard that it is an exceeding wilde beast that cannot be tamed very furious and malicious against the very image of a man and very cunning and crafty in catching of his prey Such is the nature of fleshly wisdom and fleshly men they cannot be tamed but are still full of fury against the image or true appearances of God in man and very cunning to prey upon the righteous seed seeking to devour the man-childe as soon as ever he appears to be born in the vvorld This is the beast which is like unto a Leopard Quest What is the beast all the vvorld wonders after Answ Some make him the Pope but I never yet found all the vvorld wondring after him though he be the beast in an outward eminent figure and have many vvorshippers and followers in the vvorld But the beast is the fleshly wisdom or spirit of man which is alwayes setting up a false Christ or anointed one in the place and office of Christ unto us either our own righteousnesse or our own wit and carnal reason which teacheth us to depart from God and to subsist of our selves live of our selves be wise of our selves vvorship of our selves So that flesh with all the wisdom and power of it is the beast that all the vvorld willingly wonders after insomuch that they are naturally constrained compelled and overcome to its obedience which is their wondering after the beast Quest What is the beast and what is the number of his name whose name is 666 Answ The number of the beast is the number of a man though to those who are deceived by him he appears as a God that cannot erre yet to the man that hath understanding or his eyes opened through the anointing of God he hath but the perfection and compleatnesse of a man who in the height of all his imaginary compleatnesse and fulnesse in himself and of himself is but a poor empty miserable shadow altogether lighter than vanity This is the number or summe of all the power and wisdom of the flesh It is but an imagination of compleatnesse and fulnesse it is not perfection and fulnesse it self and so it leaves a man where it findes him in a poor miserable imperfect and undone estate And therefore the number of the beast is but 666. it reaches not to the bringing of a man to the number seven or to a state of perfection rest and fulnesse but still leaves in the number 6. or in a state of weaknesse bondage miserie even like a poor wretched sinfull man Quest What is the woman which Iohn saw sit upon a Scarlet coloured beast full of names of blasphemy Answ The woman is the false Antichristian Cainish Church which rides in Pomp and Triumph upon the stately wisdom and power of the flesh and here cries out what wisdom is like unto mine What power able to make war with mine And in this state and Pomp she rides on crucifying to her utmost skill all the appearances of Christ in the glory and Kingdom of his father or all higher and lower discoveries of
God in his Saints breathing nothing but bloud persecution and blasphemy against the Tabernacle of God and them that dwell in Heaven And so the false and formal Church and Christian are the great vvhore who denies the Lord to be her husband and being married to her own fleshly reason and wisdom she wholly bends the same against every beloved appearance of God by persecution and blasphemy This is the woman upon the Scarlet coloured beast full of names of blasphemy Quest Whether any come to the opening and fulfilling of Scripture and to see those things which Iohn saw but onely those who have the same spirit which Iohn and the holy men of God had yea or nay And whether he be Christ that hath not the same spirit yea or nay Answ As all Scripture was given by inspiration so onely truely understood and known by inspiration The Letter may be understood by the help of tongues and sciences of study and learning and other mens interpretations so far as these are lights to open the Letter but the spirit and truth of Scripture cannot be seen and known but by the breathings and operations of the same spirit which the holy man of God had And this is the Key of the Lord which hath opened the Scriptures in some measure unto me and through this power of the spirit of the Lord I have seen the Scriptures in some measure fulfilled And this is the power I wait upon to make good and fulfill all that is written within and without he that hath not this spirit to rule over him in love light and life is no true Christian no true Christ or anointed one of God Quest Whether as well he that payes Tythes as he that takes Tythes be not Antichrist holding up the first priest-hood which took Tythe by a Law and denying Christ the unchangeable Priest who put an end to Tythe to the first priest-hood and to the Law Answ If any take Tythes as a Priest of the Tribe of Levi in a way of holding up shadows and figures and carnall ordinances in room of the substance and truth of these and lookes more to his own gain than the things of Iesus Christ this man is an Antichrist that denies Christs coming in the flesh and is a thief and robber that comes not in by the door into the sheepfold but some other way But if a man take Tythes as a Tribute and portion of the earth which the Lord hath reserved and given to him to nourish himself and his family and the Church of God for a Minister must be Hospitable if a man take Tythes though it be for preaching and his waiting upon the Ministery of the Gospel to declare what he hath seen and heard of God aiming onely at the advancement of the Kingdome of Christ in the hearts of the people and take onely for his livelihood in the flesh this man is no Antichrist that denies Christs coming in the flesh for the Gospel holds clearly forth a maintenance and double honour due to the preachers of it And if but a tenth of old were to be given for the nourishing of them that hold forth the shadow surely not a tenth onely but much more ought to be given for the nourishing of them that hold forth the substance And whereas it may be said that Ministers preach up themselves and shadows still not Christ the Lord and themselves the peoples servants for Christs sake and many thrust themselves into the office of the Ministery for a piece of bread and take unto themselves this honour before they are called of God for filthy lucres sake I answer those that are found in this posture I know there is a sad viall of wrath to be poured out upon them as for mine own part I finde all sorts of people rayling on me and speaking all manner of evil of me and though the pretence be Tythes and other grievous things that their hearts have imagined yet the truth is 't is not my Tythes nor infirmities so much as my light and freedom and enlargement that makes my being an eye-sore unto the world For my taking of Tythes I know it is with so much moderation and respect unto all mens conditions with whom I deal that no wise man or honest man can ever say I dealt harshly or unbeseeming a Christian with him in this busines of Tythes But thou takest Tythes Answer Wel I do and for the present I finde the Lord giving me this maintenance as an incouragement from himself and so long as I finde it made clean or sanctified to my use and my spirit not defiled nor divided from God by it and God maintaining my liberty of conscience to serve him in my generation and place so long I shall be free to take it with thankfullnesse well knowing that nothing is unclean of it self but to him who esteemeth any thing to be unclean to him it is uncleaness The scornfull QUAKERS railing Reply refuted Tho Lawson I Have read thy papers and in them art thou seen to be full of lying railing accusing condemning according to the spirit of thy Father who was a Murderer and a lyar from the beginning The truth thou canst not own in another no more than the Jews could in Christ The pride and hautines of thine heart hath deceived thee through hopes to Lord it in thy dark forme where thy folly is manifest to all I call it thy dark form where God is veiled crucified dead and neither scripture nor light within is made any more than a Ladder to helpe thee up into Gods throne and here Lucifer-like thou must needs be in Heaven and there thou seest all the wayes and works that are done under the Sun and here thou canst call all but thine own party flesh Devils Sorcerers and damnest all that wear not thy mark and form and from thy presence they must go into the lake that burns with fire and brim-stone among the Drunkards and Whoremongers Dogs and Murderers and Idolaters and Ranters and Atheists and whosoever loves and makes a lye This is the language that flowes from thy proud pen See read consider thy papers let the light that is in thee be judge and the light that is in all men And yet like the Harlot thou criest out aloud such an one is an Whore I am none The Priest rails scoffes jeers but my tongue is a wonderfull stranger to all this Thus a dark Whorish heart knows no shame Michael durst not bring railing accusation against the Devil but said The Lord rebuke thee He durst not rail against the very Devil knowing that as he is a creature he hath his life and being in God but as hé lives in himself in his own will and pride so he becomes a Devil But this truth thou knowest not through thy darknesse and so art found railing and that not at the Devil onely but men who are made after the similitude of God and yet it may be the Lord
judge any thing in thee but what falls under the condemnation of the light and truth of God and though thou pretendest to a fulnesse of light and knowledge yet I finde thee low and dark by thy frivolous answers which thou givest to what the Soul is what the two witnesses are what the first and second resurrection is what the day of judgement heaven and hell are and many other things propounded to thee which I finde thee unable and unwilling to make out the truth of and therefore art thou angry that thy weak building is so much as questioned And yet thou knowest the Apostles counsel is to us all that we should be alwayes ready to give answer of the hope that is in us with meeknesse and fear but thou having no hope but in this life thy heaven and happinesse here art judged of all men to be most miserable according to what the Apostle saith If in this life onely we have hope in him we are of all men most miserable And so thou miserable wretch art loath to be questioned though thou send questions by the scores to other men Repl. But thou seest mine intent thou sayest I would not have my deeds of darknesse reproved Answ If thou hast received wisdom and power to reprove in the name of the Lord do it as sharply and bitterly as thou canst for let the righteous smite me it shall be a kindnesse let him reprove me it shall be an excellent Oyl which shall not break mine head But to thee I say have a care thou take not the name of God in vain for the righteous one I do not finde in thee reproving seeing thou canst not do it in the patience and meeknesse of Jesus Christ. But thou sayest Repl. Is not that the honour which is given to all the Saints to execute judgement upon the Heathen Psal 149. 6 7 8 9. And all that know not God are Heathen and he that sins hath neither seen God nor known God 1 Joh. 3. 6. That which cleanseth man leadeth man to see God The pure in heart see God and Canaan was a figure of the spiritual rest c. Answ Friend wert thou in the meaning as well as in the Letter of these Scriptures thine eyes would be in thine own head not alwayes abroad like an Heathen in the ends of the earth and so thou wouldest judge and excute vengeance upon the Heathen or carnal man in thy self and then be in a fit posture of wisdom to judge the Heathen or carnal men without bearing witnesse against all their railings and revilings both in thy words and deeds But to look a little upon the places noted by thee This honour have all the Saints to execute the Lords vengeance by the two edged sword of his Spirit upon all the Heathen But thou art found to thy dishonour judging the Sons of God and the Daughters of God to be Heathen and so thy sword is drawn against the Lords anointed ones not against the Heathen And as for the binding of their Kings with Chains and their Nobles with fetters of Iron which shall be the honour of the Saints to do I finde this Scripture not yet eminently fulfilled in spirit and power some outward binding I have seen fulfilled in our own land but the firm real strong binding and limiting that shall be by the reigning of Christ in power and great glory in his Saints this shall asswage the malice and rigour of the Kings of the earth against the Church and make them stoop and bend and be willing to bring all their glory to her because they shall see and say the Lord is in you of a truth This day of the Churches power through the presence of the Lord in her in much wisdom knowledge righteousnesse and love to binde the Heathen and their Kings I finde dawning and the desire of all Nations is not far off But yet through the Saints violence and rage one against another in their several forms and imaginations evâ—ry one making hast to have the Crown and Honour of the day to himself â—â—â—t looking so much to the coming of the Lord as to his own advancing above all others of his brethren watching rather upon one anothers infirmities than upon the appearing of the Lord in one another through this weaknesse of the Saints and too much indulgence to their forms I finde the great day of binding to be retarded and prolonged yet the Vision is for an appointed time he that shall come will come and will not tarry And had we but a little more faith patience and quietnesse in our spirits we should soon see the Lord and his salvation Therefore stand ye still and be silent O all flesh wait upon the Lord and he shall bring forth thy righteousnesse as the light and thy judgement as the noon day It is his nature his power in the Saints that must bind Satan and all the wicked ones of the earth If man onely binde and kill and slay this worketh no deliverance no settlement no peace as we see at this day But when the Lord shall binde and slay and put in prison our enemies then we shall have rest and joy and quietnesse in our habitations Therefore as Bellarmine said when he came to die after all his study and labour to advance free will and mans merits that it was the safest way onely to rely upon Christ so say I after all our vain study and labour each to draw Disciples after himself to make his name and side great and strong the best and safest way will be for every one to rely upon the Lord and to think soberly of himself according as God hath given to every man the measure of truth and faith and then we shall begin to Judge the Heathen indeed and not thus shame our selves before them by our envy and railing and evill speaking one against another Repl. Further thou sayest all that know not God are Heathen and he that sins hath neither seen God nor known God Answ And so say I all that know him not in some measure of light and love are heathens and he that is in bondage to corruption that sins freely and willingly he hath no true sense nor saving knowledge of God upon him or in him and yet through infirmity temptation and weaknesse a Saint who hath a sweet taste and sense of God may be found in that which is sinfull though this man will by no means allow or approve of sin As Paul saith the evill which I do I allow not Repl. And thou sayest that which cleanseth men leadeth man to see God the pure in heart see God Answ All this is truth That which cleanseth and purifieth and leadeth to a sight of God is one power one pure spirit and by cleansing out what is contrary unto it self and making it self plain which is pure it leads the soul according to it's discovery into the spirituall rest where it satiates and fills it self with
and women thou sayest a Minister must be Hospitable but how and with what thou knowest not give he must but wherewith to give he must not have All Tythes maintenance set wages gifts that 's Antichristian All rewards either from God or men that 's Balaam-like as thy wisdom calls it and yet the man must be Hospitable But let him preach and trust God for maintenance And so say I too Let Ministers preach the Gospell be instant in season and out of season beseech men to be reconciled to God not to this or that form custom tradition or outward societie but onely in the will of God unto God and the truth of God and the people of God in all fellowships scattered up and down the world Let Ministers do their duty and trust God for their maintenance who in the midst of all the peoples murmurings against this grievous burden of Tythes doth still make provision for his Ministers in the Nation God who takes care for Oxen takes care for those who tread out the Corn who break the shell and dispense out the word aright unto the people though the envious hard-hearted world every where repine and murmure at this provision which the Lord makes Repl. But this thou sayest both is a taking of that which another hath painfully laboured for Answ And yet this by wise men is looked upon as no oppression Tythes being a peculiar property that no man can call his own but he to whom the providence of God and the wisdom of the Nation hath given them and though it be out of anothers labours yet all Rent Customes Taxes Use are the same payes out of other mens ventures labours paines and yet the taking of them looked upon as no such grievous oppression and sin as the taking of Tythes though with much moderation by a Minister But thou sayest Repl. Let the prisons in England judge of the Priests Hospitalitie who cast the Saints into prison some prisons have five some ten twenty twenty four of the Children of God in them Answ This I own not the putting Saints in prison especially if it be for conscience towards God those who are guilty of this have a sad account to make But yet it is not the suffering but the cause that makes the martyr A man may suffer much endure much hardship grief bonds yea and death too and yet not suffer as a Christian with Christ nor for his sake and if any suffer thus what glory is it For a man may suffer as a Murderer as a Thief as an evill doer as a busie body and that many thus suffer it 's apparent And so it behoves you to be well advised for what ye suffer before ye glory too much of your sufferings as Saints But thou comest to tell me to whom my Hospitality reaches Repl. First to mine own back and belly who live in excesse and scorn such as do not then to feast Drunkards Ranters and prophane persons and to spend the time in laughter mirth folly vanity c. Answ All this is but the devise and vision of a Quakers spirit as for fine cloathes and feasts and carnall merriments I have seen vanity and madnesse in them and can be as well content without them as the strictest Christian Neither hath any company or people at any feast or meeting been so welcom to me as the Son of God As for Ranters and Atheists and men that under a conceit of being above ordinances Ministers and all worship of God have lost all Religion and appearances of grace take all those to thy self for these usually are the people that go to the making up of thy foolish building Further thou tellest me Repl. My moderation freedom and enlargement in matters of Tythes will not colour over my deceit Answ Yet all thy railing lying envy shall not make me forget my moderation and freedom in this matter or make me guilty of that deceit pride fulnesse excesse vanity thou layest unto my charge Neither shall all thy fury against the Priest-hood provoke me to plead for any of the carnall false Priest-hood who preach for lucre gifts and rewards or the like All that I aime at in pleading for the Ministery is this to make this out in thy conscience and I know it is evident there already that God hath still a precious seed in the Ministery that in our age and ages before there have been and still are some in the Ministery that have been and are precious lights unto the Saints of God men that have stood up boldly against the idolatries superstitions inventions and sins of the Nation in their time according unto their measure of grace These are men whose weaknesses the Lord covers and whose spirits he still keeps up to commend the truth to every mans conscience in the sight of God These I have seen a strong Angell protecting and providing for and all the Ministery fare the better for their sakes These are men whom the Father pleads for And though I finde too much folly selfishnes in the best of us all yet look upon any form or way in the Nation and there you may finde the same and see we have all cause to put on patience meeknesse brotherly kindnesse charity to be subject one to another in love and to walk humbly and meekly with our God And though ye are a people that are risen up above all and pretend to a light that is infallible in every particular and to an estate free from all remnants of sinne yet I know and am perswaded by the Lord that both the light within and the light of Scripture makes it out plain to your conscience that in many things ye are dark ignorant doubtfull selfish high-minded carnall and so walk as other men And though I know you 'l say the new man sins not and ye are dead indeed unto sin and the bloud of Christ grace of Christ have purged away all our unrighteousnesse and we are as God is and as Christ is in this present world All these and the like I know are high expressions of the Saints freedom dignity and honour yet they never make use of these and the like Scriptures to any other end or purpose than to set forth what they were in Gods account grace and favourable acceptation and to comfort and encourage one another in the midst of all their weaknesses and infirmities with the new birth the new man the work of God upon the heart within in which is all the fulnesse and happinesse and compleatnesse of a Christian in this world This is the use they made of such Scriptures to highten the grace of God and to further their glorying and consolations in the Lord And yet in their flesh they saw no good thing and in themselves they were conscious of errours and sins enough to be humbled for whilst in this body of clay as we see in Job David Paul and others of the precious ones of God And so to
not made flesh to dwell among us there men and the way form and vvorship that men are in though outwardly never so decked and adorned in shew is but like an house forsaken and left to strangers or like a poor empty cottage left alone where nothing inhabits but the Owl and the Satyr and creeping things but where the word dwells in us with us and the Lord comes down to sit at Table and to keep us company there the men and the way form and vvorship they are under though outwardly never so contemptible are an house filled with glory and kept by the Lord for his friends his mother sister brother and this is an house I desire to dwell in all the dayes of my life to behold the fair beauty of the Lord This house is one in the spirit and the way to it one and the vvorship in it one as being built by the Lord onely for his Saints and set up by his Spirit that where he is they may be also Yet in this house are many mansions higher and lower rooms and Tables spread with meat for Children fathers young men God in every corner of his house condescending to visit all his family and to feed them with food sutable to that measure they are under Friend the whole creation is an house made for the great King to dwell in and all the creatures in this great variety according to their several capacities have the King dwelling in them and with them even so the Church of God which is a new Creation is a Tabernacle pitched by the Lord for himself and every Member of this new building in the midst of this great variety of them has the presence of the Lord in him and with him according to his capacity to receive Now the way hither is one and the light one and the vvorship one as all are brought hither by regeneration and have the Lord to be their light to teach them all that vvorship which is one in spirit and truth But how then comes the variety and diversity I ananswer it flows from the several workings operations and manifestations of the same Lord so that in the original things are one but in their comings sorth to us and in us they are multiplied Grace in the Soul is one one with what it is in Christ but in the coming of it forth in us is various and cloathed with divers names as faith hope love meeknesse patience c. even so light in the Souls of men is one but in the breaking of it forth its manifold and so there is the manifold wisdom of God and hence the actings walkings of the Saints are in a variety as they are more or lesse in a manifestation of the Original and yet this variety leads up into the Unity and teaches all to walk and live and follow Christ in the regeneration This is all the variety I plead for which flowes from the various manifestation of the same Christ and leads up into him as into its root and Center But thou sayest I plead for the Leopards spots in pleading for several forms ways of vvorship Answ I plead for no form tradition or invention of men new or old neither would I have Christians make any form a vvall of separation to divide between them others that are under any manifestation of grace and love all that I say is there are diversities of gifts administrations and operations but the same spirit Lord and God who worketh all in all and is all in all to band and free and let every one that differs from another endeavour to be fully perswaded that 't is light not darknesse the Lord not the flesh that makes the difference though the difference be still in fleshly or outward things and so having nothing but what we have received let every one think soberly of himself according as God has given to every one a measure and what men observe let them do it as unto the Lord not man in honour preferring one another waiting with patience and they shall see all the Towers that men have made fall to the ground and broken in pieces by the stone cut out of the mountain Quest 3. Whether we ought to give Tribute Custome Tythes Rent to those who have an interest in them by the Laws of the Land where we live seeing Christ said render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars Matth. 22. Answ Yea let man have the things that are his and God have the things that are his this said Christ and so say we and Paul sayes render unto all their dues Tribute to whom Tribute is due Custom to whom Custom is due Rom. 13. 7. and this say we Repl. If thine heart and thy tongue herein agree 't is well thou hast witnessed a good confession but doest thou witnesse this indeed Art thou willing to give Tribute Custom Rent to whom 't is due Art thou as Christ was and the Apostles were subject to the Magistrates that are for conscience sake Where then is thine honour where is thy fear to the powers that be ordained of God For there 's no power but of God but seeing thou hast yielded to a duty I 'le leave thee in the performance to stand or fall to thine own Master Answ Further here thou wouldst have a Cloak for thy Tythe in too Parishes which thou hast no due unto he that hath due unto nine sheaves hath due unto the tenth Repl. To this I say I and all I have are not so much mine own as Gods they are more his due than mine and when he calls for any thing I am willing to let it go and when he gives me any thing I am willing to make use of it and to him I must give account for all not to thee as for a Cloak to maintain my Tythes I desire no other then the will of God and what the Scripture allows and the Law commands Thou sayest he who has due unto nine sheaves has due unto the tenth Fy friend what a lying and to strengthen Robbery and oppression too men are prone enough to call anothers due their own and to destroy property which thou seekest by thy lying and murmuring to maintain And further thou sayest Christ is come who put an end to that Priesthood who was to have the tenth in Israel for their maintenance and the fatherlesse vviddows and strangers with the same they were to maintain Repl. That Christ came to put an end to the first Priest-hood and their carnal Ordinances I deny not but about the several Ordinances of Tythes of old I see thou art grossely ignorant Therefore there was a tenth for the poor in Israel and a tenth for the Priest and Levite too and so observe and thou shalt finde 1. That after a man had received the fruits of the earth he was to separate out of it the first fruits these were to be offered unto the Lord who gave them unto the Priest Numb
abound God forbid if Christ have suffered for me and in me its high time for me to suffer with him and to arm my self with the same minde and this is the dying to sin and the sinning no more when the Soul bears witnesses against it and walks out of the reign and power of it which reign of sin is that which the Scripture witnesses against Answ Further Iohn wrote to such who were not come through the confession to babes young men and fathers Repl. Then by thine own confession he wrote to all sorts of Christians to make confession of sin why then doest thou hide spare and cover thy sin What neither babe nor father nor young man Where art thou neither in the vvorld nor in the Church Monstrum horendum Surely if ever God awake in thee he 'l despise thine image and bring thee to Sion by weeping crosse and then he 'l remove this stumbling block out of thy way and shew thee this thine opinion is but an old errour raked out of the dunghill of Hell sprung up afresh in this iron age where the love of many waxes cold and so thou wilt learn to tremble prepare thine heart by brokennesse of spirit for the lofty God to dwell in and so he 'l be mercifull unto thine iniquity and remember thy sin no more Answ Further Iohn wrote to some who knew all things 1 Ioh. 2. 20. and so were out of the knowledge in part Repl. The Unction indeed reveals the deep things of God and so gives us an understanding to know him that is true by our abode in him and so teaches all things that are freely given to us 1 Cor. 2. 12. all things that the Lord gives all things necessary to know all things that pertain to life and godlinesse credenda agenda all things to be believed of us and done by us and that in such a clearnesse that the Soul knows 't is not deceived and so we are taught to know our election vocation justification sanctification regeneration adoption c. we are taught to believe hope love be patient penitent obedient we are taught to deny our selves to lose our lives to let all go to come and follow Christ in the new creature and so we are taught according to our measure to set our affections above to live in Heaven where all our treasure is these and the like things the Unction teaches us still limited to the things freely given to us and yet there are secreta Dei the secrets of the Lord which man cannot see and live the secrets of the Scriptures the secrets of nature the secrets of the times and seasons which man knows not but the father onely canst thou see God God in his glory canst thou behold the ballancing of the Clouds the wondrous works of him who is perfect in knowledge poor vain man who art darkning the counsel of God by words without knowledge canst thou see the Ordinances of Heaven or set the dominion thereof in the earth canst thou by all thy search finde out these things in their perfection therefore why doest thou vaunt thy self vain man would be wise though man be born like a wilde Asses Colt remember that knowledge puffs up but 't is charity edifies knowledge perverts but wisdom keeps thou hast so long fed upon the Tree of knowledge that thou art glutted and darkned by it and even poysoned to death with thy great knowledge for as too much light destroyes the sight as well as too little there must be debita distantia a due distance even so knowledge without charity and prudence to keep a due distance between God and the creature presently destroyes and may as soon be too much as too little and so as some perish through too little so many through too much knowledge Therefore remember what the spirit sayes of the wise Gentiles professing themselves to be wise they became fools Rom. 1. 21. and so let no man deceive himself if any among you seem to be wise let him become a fool that he may be wise 1 Cor. 3. 18. and if any man think that he knoweth any thing he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know 1 Cor. 8. 2. consider these things and be not thou wise above what is written and given and revealed unto thee lest thou perish among the wise Greeks and Jews and the Disputers of this world Further after a little prating and railing which is very natural to thy generation thou answerest more yet to confirm thy perfection and sayes he that do's righteousnesse is righteous as he is righteous to which I say he is so so far as he do's righteousnesse and righteousnesse cloaths him even so far he answers the patterne and has the righteousnesse of Christ in him walking not after the flesh but after the spirit Answ Further thou sayest as he is so are we in this present world 1 Ioh. 11. 17. Repl. So far as he is received in us and dwells in us so far we are as he is in this present world seeing we can be no more than what he is in us and we in him for he is all in all Further know that as there is a similitude so a great dissimilitude between Christ and Saints for both I own according to what I have seen and heard in him as for the similitude or likenesse in brief take in these particulars First his Father and our Father his God and our God are one his spirit and his anointing and the spirit and anointing in us are one even the same in nature though not in measure Further his light life our light and life are one in God and so our life is hid with Christ in God then he 's a King Priest and Prophet so are we according to his springing up in us made Kings and Priests and Prophets unto God he ha's Union and fellowship with the Father so have we I in my Father and you in me and I in you I pray that these all may be one as thou Father art in me and I in thee that they may be one in us and according as this onenesse is manifested which is our life so we have fellowship with the Father and he with us Further Christ was humble meek lowly patient holy harmlesse undefiled separate from sinners so we according to our grace have received the same thing for nature and truth still that was in Jesus though our measure be not the same Further he made it his meat and drinke to do the will of God he was alwayes going about and doing good and this is the work of Saints as we have opportunity let us be doing good Further he was hated persecuted denied blasphemed mocked scourged a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief so are the sons of God more or lesse under a taste of all these in this world being still called to suffer before their Crown and though not in the same measure that Christ suffered yet the