is by their owne grant the man of syn of whom the Apostle here speaketh c. Therfore the church of Rome is the Temple of God also that here is spoken of I answer This argument I might wholly grant and not hurt the cause I plead for For though the church of Rome be the Temple of God which Paul speaketh of yet followeth it not that it is Gods true Temple or true Church which is the point that should be concluded seing the scriptures often speak of things as once they were though so they continue not still as also they speak of things according to the outward pretense and shew that is made of them though in deed and trueth they be nothing less The first is manifest by these and other like instances Abigail is called the wife of Nabal 1 Sam. 30. 5. though Nabal was then dead and his wife maried to David Simon is still called the Leper Mat. 26. 6. though he was then clensed of his leprosie The king of Tyrus an heathen man that lived in Ezekiels dayes is sayd to have been in Eden the garden of God to have been upon the holy mountaine of God and to have walked in the middest of the stones of fyre Ezek. 28. 13. 14. meaning that he had been in Gods church on mount Sion among the people of God although not he himself but Huram his predecessor many yeres before in the dayes of David and Solomon was the man that became a proselyte in Israel and helped to build the Temple 2 Chron. 2. 3. 16. even as if a man should speak to the Bishop of Rome at this day and tell him what he was for a Bishop in th'Apostles dayes and how now he is degenerate and become the man of syn The mountaines of Horeb and Tabor where God once gave his Law and Christ was transfigured are after still called the mount of God and the Holy mount 1 King 19. â— 2 Pet. 1. 18. because they had been for the time sanctified by the presence of God And so the Temple in Ierusalem after the Iewes had crucified Christ refused the gospel were broken off because of unbeleef and the sacrificing and worshiping in that place was ended yet is it until the utter ruine of it by the Romans called the holy place Mat. 24. 15. Thus also the Citie become an harlot is called the faithfull Citie Esai 1. 21. the wicked that hath forsaken his righteousnes is named arighteous man Ezek. 18. 26. according to their former and not their present estate And when these titles are given them it is not to justifie them at all but to aggravate their syn So for the second that things are called according to the outward appearance and pretext set upon them though they be in deed false is evident by these and the like examples false Gods which are but idols are called gods usually so one Prophet calleth those the Philistians gods 1 Chron. 14. 12. which an other calleth their images 2 Sam. 5. 21. False prophets are called Prophets 1 King 22. 6. 22 and Balaam a Soothsayer among the heathens Jos. 13. 22. is called a Prophet 2 Pet. 2. 16. The evil spirit whom the witch of End or raised up for Saul is called in the scripture Samuel 1 Sam. 28. 11. 12 15. 16. 20. by reason wherof the Papists contend that it was Samuel in deed and not the Divil urging the letter as mine opposite doth urge against me this phrase of the Temple of God The idolatrous Temple which Ieroboam made in Israel in honour of the God which had brought them out of Egypt is called the house of their God Amâ—s 2. 8. yet that it was his true house or temple I never heard of any that would affirme though it was the true God whom they worshiped therin for Baal with his house was then destroyed out of Israel 2 King 1â— 27. 28. Now mine opposite hath given us a good rule in this his last book when answering the Anabaptists he sayth The word of God is not the bare letter or outward syllables but the intendement and meaning of the holy Ghost by whom it was given Which should carefully be observed by the due consideration of the scriptures with the circumstances therof and by the conference of other places of scripture and the proportion of fayth layd togither Which whiles the Anabaptists neglict they look on the scripture partially and press the letter extreamly without consideration of the true and right meaning therof These words of his are true the more it is to be lamented that he himself would so press the letter against me and not weigh the meaning of the same by it self and other scriptures and the proportion of fayth layd togither In alleaging this text he layeth downe the words thus There shal come an apostasie or falling away wheras the Apostle sayth except there come an apostasie or falling-away first which word first may intimate that the church should fall away from the love of the trueth before the man of syn should be revealed and this is apparant by the 10. verse where the people whom Antichrist seduceth are sayd to be them that perish because they received not the love of the trueth that they might be saved Or if the word first which mine opposite leaveth out be understood before Christs coming then is it meant of the apostasie or the falling away so called by an excellencie as exceeding all other And is not to be referred to Antichrist the head onely but to Antichristians the bodie also who after other synns should fall away with Antichrist and be damned with him as in the 11. verse it is sayd God shall send them strong delusion that they should beleeve a lye shat they all might be damned who beleeve not the trueth but had pleasure in unrighteousnes So that by the whole scope of this scripture it is evident the Apostle divideth not the people of the church of Rome from the Bishop and ministers of the same as if the people should be Gods true Temple Christs true Church under his covenant and so in the state of grace when the Bishops and ministers are the Divils Temple Antichrist the man of syn and so in the state of damnation but maketh both bishops and people deceivers and deceived all of them under wrath and condemnation otherweise then my opposite would perswade For he pleading thus The Apostle speaking of Antichrist describeth him thus There shal come an apostasie c would have men think that the Bishop and ministers of the church of Rome are the apostasie and the people not contrarie to all the scope of this scripture contrarie also to Paul in 1 Tim. 4 1. where he foretelleth of some that should apostate or depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of Divils meaning it of the people deceived by false teachers yea it is contrary also to mine opposites own graunt who
he would 〈…〉 his first covenant and so receive them againe to grace in Christ. Vnto which I now add this sixt that God called himself the God of Jsrael and them his people because of many among them that were in deed his both such as yeilded not to Ieroboams idolatrie but went to Ierusalem to sacrifice 2 Chron. 11. 16. and seven thousand in Jsrael which bowed not the knee to Baal 1 King 19. 18. and such also as erring at first in simplicitie were by the Prophets brought to repentance though the general state of the land never repented but went on in their syn til the Lord cast them out of his sight as is testified in 2 King 17. His next chief ground is the comparison of Iudah who likeweise for sook the Lord and sometime became more corrupt then Israel so that if Israel were not in trueth Gods people and church then Iudah was not Answ. I have shewed how Israel might be called Gods people still and why I judge them not to be Gods true Church For Iudah they changed not the constitution wherin they were set of God made no new face of a Church no new Temples preists c as did Israel Therfore they did wickedly in the true Church as often times greater impietie is committed in the Church then among the heathens yet the state of the church of the heathens may not be compared though the punishmēt of such as transgress in the Church and repent not shal be worse then the heathens Mat. 11. 20. 24. Secondly the defection of Iudah was not generall like Israels though sometime the scriptures speak generally when many are corrupted but even then when for their synns they were caried into Babylon there was a godly company compared to a basket of good figgs Ier. 24. 2. 5. 6. 7. which had cried out for all the abominations were marked and reserved of God Ezek. 9. 4. c Thirdly the state of Iudah was often times reformed by many good Kings as Iosiah Ezekiah Iehosaphat and others the people brought to repentance and the covenant renewed but never so in Israel by any king that there reigned from their first apostasie to the captivitie 2 King 17. Fourthly for the wicked troupes in Iudah that refused admonition persecuted their brethren killed the Prophets mainteyned idolatrie for which the godly left their synfull communion I hold them not Gods true Church or in his covenant of grace Because the covenant was alwayes conditional if men repent and beleeve as I have before proved and mine opposite himself hath granted This may suffice to his often repeated reasons which are deduced and varied from the groundes aforesayd Touching 2 Chron. 15. 3. IShewed from the Prophet Azariahs speech to Asa and all Iudah that Israel was without the true God without teaching Priest and without Law 2 Chron. 15. 1. 2. 3. and therfore could not in that estate be judged to be in the covenant of grace Mine opposite laboureth to bring Iudah it self also within this estate but that hath no colour with it The distinction of names Iudah and Israel the state of Iudah under Solomon Roboam Abijah and Asa though corruptions were come in plainly sheweth it otherweise and I leave it to the readers judgment 2. he granteth it may well be understood of the 10. tribes and sheweth good reasons for it how then doth he take away the weight of the reason that Israel being without the true God without a teaching Priest Gods true ministerie and without Law could not in that estate be Gods true church in his covenant of grace or have the true seales therof unto them He fayrly denyeth the conclusion Jt wil not prove sayth he that circumcision or the other ordinances of God had in Jsrael or in Judah were false and deceytfull signes c. Jf it would then it might be urged against Iudah also and where then was circumcision c. I answer If there were no circumcision but among them that were without the true God without his ministerie and without his Law then was there no true circumcision in the world For if we consider the first institution of circumcision Gen. 17. and the Apostles doctrine of it in Rom. 2. 25. 28. 29. 4. 11. and the doctrine of Christian baptisme now answerable to circumcision of old it is impossible that that people should have the true seale of righteousnes and salvation from God in Christ that are without God and without Christ. No colourable excuses or distinctions wil here availe◠except men can prove an absolute promise of salvation whether men repent beleeve or no whether they be in God and Christ or no Which is contrary to all the scriptures Wherfore this one testimonie is ynough to overthrow all his long plea for Israel as if they in this synfull stare unrepentant continued stil actually in the covenant of grace and state of salvation And what colour maketh he against this plaine scripture He first speaketh of forsaking God what it meaneth and how it is spoken of the Iewes in the Prophets namely of forsaking his Law Temple Worship and service and not simply of so dealing with the Lord himself as the bare words and letter it self might seem to imply For even in the defection of Israel when Ieroboam set up the calves yet stil they intended to worship the Lord that brought them out of the land of Egypt c. 1 King 12. 28. Answ. First observe how here he would not have the bare words and letter of the scripture to be insisted upon yet is it his continuall practise and onely colourable reasons For the Temple of God 2. Thes. 2. and the people of God are his mayn grounds for the church of Rome and of apostate Israel 2. He omitteth the words which I cited that Israel was without the true God c and speaketh of an other phrase of their forsaking the Lord to ease his burden which he found too heavy 3. It is granted him that by forsaking the Lord is meant the forsaking of his Law Temple Worship and service and not that they did professedly renounce God but stil pretended and intended to serve the true God what would he inferr hereupon This maketh the more against his plea for them The scripture sayth they were without the true God without teaching Priest without Law this was true eyther in their own account or in Gods not in their own account for they thought they stil reteyned the true God even as the heathens of old hereticks Antichristians and Iewes at this day perswade themselves that they serve the true God therfore they were such in Gods account Now Gods judgment is alwayes according to trueth when mans judgment erreth and deceiveth himself Thus then though Israel thought themselves the true church and to have the true God as mine opposite also thinketh and pleadeth for them yet in the Lords account which is trueth they were without the true God
sayd a litle before that the church of Rome is fallen into most sinfull and deep defection and apostasie and so is a notorious harlot and idolatrâ—ss Wherefore his distinction here between the apostasie the church of Rome making the one Antichrist the other Gods temple under his covenant of grace neyther accordeth with the scriptures nor with his own assertion Next this where he sayth that by the Temple of God in Israel was figured the church of God among Christians it is graunted But withall let it be noted that himself can not deney but the Temple and tabernacle in Israel was not the church and congregation of Gods people properly but a sacramental signe of Gods dwelling with them which I before confirmed by these scriptures Exod 25. 8. 2. Chron. 6. 2. Ezek. 37. 26. 27. Rev. 21. 3. Secondly he himself affirmeth that the temple at Ierusalem did primarily figure out Christ and secondarily the church both the catholik or universal and particular churches likeweise particular Christians and in several respects both their bodies and their soules and consciences Vpon which graunts of his it foloweth that there is no necessarie consequence of this his proposition Jf the Pope of Rome with his hierarchie be the man of syn spoken of in 2. Thes. 2. then is the church of Rome the Temple of God there spoken of for he understanding by the church the people as in 1. Cor. 3. 16. 17. 2. Cor. 6. 16. Eph. 2 21. and yet granting that the Temple in Israel was not the people all may see the weaknes and insufficiencie of this inference that because the Pope of Rome sitteth as God in the Temple of God therfore the people of the church of Rome are that Temple of God there spoken of consequently Gods true church For why now may we not as well if not much better say that by the Temple of God is understood the doctrine and profession of Christ the true Temple or as in my former †book I shewed thus As the Temple was an outward signe of Gods presence with his people and of his inward dwelling in their harts * by saith and by his spirit unto their salvation so Antichrists temple is an outward shew of his presence with that seduced people in whose harts †he dwelleth by Popish faith and by his spirit of errour carying them to damnation But as Antichrist shal not professedly deny the true God or Christ though in deed he falsly * sheweth himself that he is God so shal hâ— not professedly deny the Temple or church of God but falsly vaunt his adulterous synagogue to be the same Vnto this exposition mine opposite hath given no answer and it being according to the scriptures trueth of the thing in controversie I leave it to the prudent reader whether the outward shew and profession of Christ and Christian religion be not the first thing here intended of th'Apostle by the Temple of God And this is further confirmed by Rev. 11. 1. Where the Temple Altar and Worshipers are three distinct things and the people are the worshipers there spoken of neyther the Temple nor the Altar of which place we shal treat anone Then wheras he granteth that the Temple in Ierusalem did primarily figure out Christ how is it that he wholly neglecteth the primarie thing figured and insisteth upon the secondary the church or people of Rome Seing it is knowen how the Pope pretendeth him self to be Christs vicar and deputie on earth and to be the servant and worshiper of Christ in heaven and may we think that th'Apostle in warning them of the mysterie of iniquitie would not imply the chief point of the mysterie that Antichrist should in pretence sit for Christ and in his sted as his vicar generall on earth Thus to sit in the Temple or for the Temple of God may well be understood that Antichrist should sit for Christ a pretended friend but in deed an adverse foe Now for that which the Temple secondarily figured namely the church catholik and also particular and so mens consciences he wavereth in his application He sayth this terme the church of Rome is taken eyther particularly which he applieth to the Laterane church in Rome the Popes parish church or more generally for all other such Christian churches as are come under the Popes jurisdiction c. This later I hold to be most proper here for what needed there such warning to the Thessalonians other christian churches through the world if a Bishop of the Lateran parish a corner in Rome had exalted himself above God therin onely and had not usurped also a pretended Christian power over all And the complement of the prophesie is an evident exposition of it for who knoweth not that the Pope scorneth to be Bishop of the Lateran parish onely it is a jurisdiction over the catholik church throughout the earth which he chalengeth And now what proof bringeth mine opposite that the church of Rome as God constituted it is taken generally for other Christian churches under the Popes jurisdiction None at all neyther can he bring any jote of Gods word for the same Againe what proof maketh he that the catholik Romane church wherin the Pope sitteth is the true church of God None but this J suppose these men themselves being better advised wil not deny them to be the churches and Temple of God But he should have shewed if it had been possible for him that the Romane church is by divine institution the catholik or universal church which because I assure my self it can never be doen I conclude that this Romane catholik church is a fiction of the Popes braine and a meere idol like himself and is no otherweise the Temple of God then the Pope is Christs universal vicar namely in lying words and vaine ostentation And so the maine ground for the Temple of God wherin Antichrist sitteth to be the true church of Christ is overthrowne As for the Popes Laterane parish I both deny it to be Christs true church and that it onely is the Temple of God wherin Antichrist should sit His proof of the former is this Jf we understand it of a particular church as the Apostle wrote his epistle to the church of the Romans how shall we soundly deny it eyther to be the Temple of God or Antichrist to be set therin Thus have we suppositions and questions in sted of proofes To his demand I answer it is the Temple of God in pretence not in trueth even as the Pope is a bishop of Christ in pretence but in deed is Antichrist the man of syn as mine opposite granteth The church that was in Rome in Pauls time wil no more justifie the Popes synagogue there now then the Christian ministers which were then in that church Rom. 12. wil justifie the Antichristian prelates that there reigne at this day Secondly the Laterane parish at Rome is of the
example more fitly if a Iew had been forced by Antiochus violently to kyss or bow the knee to Iupiters image when he resisted and testified against it none could justly call him an idolater or one of Iupiters people But if an other Iew had revolted to Antiochus religion and beleeved in his Iupiter and honoured him with hart profession and action he now might justly be called the servant of Iupiter or one of his people as the Moabites are called the people of Chemosh Numb 21. 29. So the church of Rome now fallen from true Christianity and beleeving worshiping obeying Antichrist the Popes holynes are and may justly be called his church or else Antichrist hath no temple church or people in the world Object Observe here and throughout his treatise how still he calleth that the Temple church and bodie of Antichrist which Paul expressly and purposely calleth the Temple of God And so therin note stil his shâ—fâ—s and his errours c. Answ. Loe still an urging of the bare letter as doe the Papists This is my body to prove their transubstantiation that there is no bread left but Christs very body really and properly I have I trust without shifting or errour proved the present church of Rome to be Antichrists temple church and bodie if the Pope be Antichrist And seing his mysterie of iniquitie is contrary to Christs mysterie of godlynes and Christ hath a mystical temple which is his church and bodie Eph. 2. 21. 5. 23. I would gladly know what temple church and body Antichrist hath if the church of Rome be not the same Againe he speaketh too largely that J stil so call it throughout my treatise for I have other weise written though it liked him not thus Gods true temple and tabernacle is in mount Sion in heaven Rev. 14. 1. 17. where God sitteth on a throne Rev. 16. 17. 7. 15. and dwelleth among his people where is the Ark of his covenant Rev. 11. 19. and from thence lightnings voices thondrings earthquake and hâ—yle come forth against thâ— Antichristians his enemies and vials of his wrath powred out upon the throne of the beast Rev. 16. 1. 2. 10. and on men that have his mark On the contrary the Beast which is the kingdome of Antichrist ascendeth from beneath out of the bottomless pit Rev. 17. 8. and blasphemeth this heavenly tabernacle Rev. 13. 6. and sitteth in Babylon Rev. 16. 19. upon the Dragons throne Rev. 13. 2. and fighteth against the Lamb and against the saincts Rev. 19. 19. treading under foot the holy citie Rev. 11. 2. and casting downe the place of Christs sanctuarie Dan. 8. 11. When th' Apostle therfore telleth us that Antichrist sitteth as God in the Temple of God it is to be understood of their invading and destroying of Gods church and people as the heathens of old dealâ— with Jerusalem and dwellers therin Psal. 79. Dan. 8 11. 13. 11. 36. Ier. 22. 12. 13. Law 2. 7. 9. Secondly of their own vaine ostentation whiles they wil have it called the Christian catholik church and the Pope the head of the same Ezek. 28. 2. 6. Esa. 14. 13. 14. 2 Thes. 2. 9 10 Rev. 13. 11. 14. 17. 4. 2 Cor. 11. 13. 14. 15. Thus I grant that the Temple which Antichrist invadeth destroyeth is Gods true Temple but that wherin the Beast sitteth as God which he trimmeth upholdeth and boasteth of as he doeth the church of Rome at this day is the synagogue of Satan But he procedeth Object As for the ancient Doctor whom here he citeth let us hear himself speak His words are these That which is the Temple of any idolor Divil the Apostle would not call the Temple of God Wherupon some will have in this place not the Prince himself but after a manner his whole bodie thâ—â— is the multitude of men perteyning unto him togither with himself under the Prince understood to be Antichrist And more rightly also they think it to be sayd in Latine 〈◊〉 in the Greek that he sitteth not in the Temple of God but for the Temple of God which is the church As we say he sitteth for a friend that is as a friend Augustine de Civic Dâ—â— l. 20. c. 19. Where note how farr differing Augustine is from this man that citeth him c. Answ. There is not so great difference as mine opposite would pretend First I cited not Augustine for his own judgment but for others whom he speaketh of touching the translation of the Text in the Temple of God or for the Temple Secondly he setteth down Augustines words maymed both at head and foot For Augustine beginneth thus But in what temple of God he shal sit as God is uncertaine whether in that ruine of the Temple which was built by King Solomon or in the church For that which is the temple of any idol or divil the Apostle would not call the temple of God c. Now the ruine of Solomons temple cannot at this day be called Gods temple otherweise then because it was the Temple of God of old hath now no more holynes in deed trueth theÌ„ any other place in the world And thus I have granted that the church of Rome may be called the church of God in respect that there was a church there in Pauls time wheras now it hath no more true holynes then the synagogue of Satan So we see how for advantage mine opposite baulked Augustines first words In the end he breaketh off in the midst of a period for Augustine sayth sitteth for a friend that is as a friend or if any other thing is wont to be understood by this kind of speech So he defineth not certainly of this place but leaves it doubtfull and presently after confesseth his ignorance For what is this sayth Augustine For the mysterie of iniquitie doth already work onely he who now holdeth let him hold till he be taken out of the way J confess my self to be utterly ignorant what he meaneth Thus we need not strive about Augustines words here and I grant that the Apostle would not have called it the Temple of God unless eyther it were so in deed and trueth or had been so in times past or did pretend to be so still And I think all wil likewise grant that the holy Ghost would not have called the witches spirit at endor Samuel unless eyther it had been Samuel in deed as the Papists doe contend or some thing in pretence and shew like Samuel Neyther would the prophet have sayd to the King of Tyrus Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God a proselyte in the church of Israel unless eyther himself or some of his predecessors had been there in times past Neyther would Amos have called the Israelites idol temple the house of their God unless eyther it were so in deed or in pretense which phrase when the Greek translateth according to the letter the house of
Elias prayer against Israel and Gods answer J have reserved to my self 7000. men who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal Even so then sayth he at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace c. By this we are taught 1. That if a few or any one of a people be reserved of God though the multitude be cast away yet it cannot be sayd absolutely that God hath cast away his people And this may lead us to understand why God called Israel his people in their apostasie because some he kept from falling into it some he brought out of it by repentance 2. That those are in deed Gods people whom he foreknew the rest are cast off Now those which are foreknowen of God are described thus that he also did predestinate them to be conformed to the image of his sont them he also called them he also justified them he also glorified Rom. 8. 2◠〈◊〉 Thus are we led to judge who are Gods people when we see their calling justifying and gloryfying that is their sanctification â— Cor. 3â— â—8 by which iâ— charitie we are to judge of their predestination and estate in grace 3. That as the remnant of the Iewes which imbraced the gospel were the election of grace that is the people whom in charitie we should judge to be elected of God according to his grace and the others are blinded hardned cast off til God give them repentance so in Israel they that kept themselves from the coÌ„mon idolatrie of Baal inwardly and outwardly and reteyned the true service of God were his election of grace and to be judged his true people the others that synned in Baal were dead til God gave them repentance unto life Thus the Apostles exposition and application of those 7000. in Israel may help us to judge of their estate aright And not because circumcision was unto them the seale of grace and of forgivenes of synns to conclude that therfore it was likeweise to them that served Baal for so we should prostitute Gods grace and the seals therof to such as God condemneth and rejecteth Fiftly he instanceth the worship of Baal by Iudah Ier. 7. Judg. 2. c. Wherto I answer as before that Iudah in her constitution remayned a true church though corrupted Israel being a false church as hath been manifested Neyther was the defection universall and open as in Israel As for such in Iudah as so fell from God and would not be brought to repentance the Prophet telleth them they trusted in lying words when they sayd The Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord c. Ier. 7. 4. 8. the Lord threatneth to cast them out of his sight and forbad his Prophet to pray for them Jer. 7. 15. 16. So their circumcision became unto them uncircumcision Rom. 2. 25. To this he objecteth Though mans idolatrie c may make Gods sacraments improfitable to himself yet can they not make them lying and deceitfull signes but that in the Lords ordinance they are unto all and therfore also unto them his true signes and faithfull seals on his part of forgivenes of synns and life eternal For shall the infidelitie of man turne the truth of God into a lye God forbid Answ. I have before answered that all Gods ordinances are in them selves and on his part holy faithfull and true They are true seals of forgivenes of synns but to such as are worthy partakers of them in faith otherweise they seale judgment unto men 1 Cor. 11. 27. 28 29. And it is not his ordinance that open and obstinate idolaters and wicked men should administer or receive them Ezek. 44. 9. Numb 15. 30. 31. Levit. 7. 20. Psalm 〈◊〉 1â— 17. That men may turne the truth of God into a lye the Apostle plainly teacheth Rom. 1. 25. so may they the truth of his ordinances into lyes But the truth of God as it is in himself or his faithfulnes is unchangeable if men beleeve not or sanctifie him not they perish by the judgment of God which is according to trueth and his faithfulnes suffreth him not to save such unless he make them first new creatures and beleevers Joh. 3. 36. 1. Joh. 5. 10. 12. Sixtly he expoundeth Israels death in Hos. 13. 1. to be by the exposition of sundry writers not death in syn but slayn for their synns or their estate overthrowen or neer utter destruction c. Answ. Both may be true that first they were dead in syn and after destroyed civilly for their syn Gods judgmeÌ„ts are according to mens deserts he destroyed not the Amorites Egyptians and other nations til their iniquitie was full Gen. 15. 16. Wherfore to condemne the exposition which I gave because an other consequent folowed upon it as the ruine of Achabs house or the like is no fitme argument And to his many expositors whom he citeth I oppose one greater then all even th'Apostle in Rom. 11. before spoken of who sheweth the election of grace to be in the 7000 that worshiped not Baal and not in the multitude of the Baalists And if they were not of the election of grace then were they dead in syn though he and many say the contrary Finally he alleageth the sayings of the Prophet before and after The Lord found Iakob in Bethel and there he spake with us c Therfore turne thou to thy God c. Hos. 12. 4. 5. 6. 9. And yet am J the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt and thou shalt know no God but me I did know thee in the wildernes c. Hose 13. 4. 5. Answ. I have before shewed that the prophets speak to Israel as a corporation or body which after a sort continueth one and the same through many generations when yet as touching their particular persons or generations they are different contrary as godly fathers in the state of grace and life may beget wicked children without grace and in state of death Ezek. 18. 9. 10. 13. 14. 17. 18. c. So the King of Tyre had been in Eden the garden of God a proselyte in the Church Ezek. 28. 13. not that heathen king then living but his predecessor Huram long before 1. King 5. So Paul speaketh of the Iewes cast away of God as the same people till their last calling Rom. 11. And I doubt not but a man preaching to convert them at this day might apply unto them the like sayings I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt thou shalt know no God but me J led thee in the wildernes c. But alwayes in such general phrases the promises of grace belong onely to such as beleeve and turne to the Lord the others that remaine hardned shall perish And hitherto of his exceptions against the scriptures which I cited although as I shewed if they had continued Gods true church in the land yet wheÌ„ they were for obstinacie in their synns cast
to mankinde c. I answer First for the persons that set downe this profession they are by the testimony of God that false prophet which with the Beast shal be tormēted for ever ever Rev. 20. 10. or at least they are those uncleane spirits which come out of the mouth of the Beast of the False prophet for they are the spirits of Divils working miracles which goe forth unto the Kings of the earth and of the whole world to gather them to the battel of that great day of God almighty Rev. 16. 13. 14. And this is apparant by that corrupt Testament and blasphemous notes and interpretations upon it which they there set forth to the world in sted of the true Christian and catholik faith Moreover they are a part of the popish hierarchie which mine opposite after maketh to be the Man of syn the son of perdition and the Beast which hee will not indure to heare that they should be accounted the church or maried to Christ yet here he maketh them the preachers of the doctrine of salvation Secondly for the Profession which they there make if it were sound and good yet denying it againe in their works it nothing availeth them for of such it is written They professe that they know God but in works they deny him being abominable and disobedient and unto every good work reprobate Tit. 1. 16. But what shal we say if they deny the trueth of the doctrine of Christ not in work onely but even in word and profession First then to omitt their rayling against Calvin about the Godhead of Christ being of himself in their Annot. on John 1. sect 3. concerning Christs manhood and the trueth of his humane nature how ever they acknowledge him to have taken flesh of the virgin yet beleeve they and burne to ashes such as wil not beleeve it that the bread in the sacrament is transsubstantiated into the very body of Christ so they have a Christ made of a wafer cake a Christ whose whole bodie is in an hundred thousand places and moe at once even in all places of the world whersoever Masse is sayd by a Preist so he must have a fanatical bodie which can neyther be seen felt tasted or by any sense of man perceived as an humane bodie this breaden Christ they worship in that their idolatrous sacrament and doe eat him really properly with their mouthes And doe these now beleeve Christs humane nature aright when as by the plain scripture we are taught that the heaven must receive him until the times of restitution of all things Act. 3. 21. As for his office of Mediatorship wheras they profess him to be the singular Advocate and patron of mankinde by singular they mean not the onely Advocate or mediator as the scripture teacheth ◠Tim. 2. 5. 1 Joh. 2. 1. but a speciall or chief mediatour for they have innumerable other advocates and mediators as the heathēs of old had one chief God and many inferiour gods So the same Rhemists gloss on 1 Tim. 2. telleth us that though Christ be the onely singular Advocate and patron c. yet this letteth not but there may be other inferiour mediators though not in that singular sense And how they beleeve in their Queen of heaven let this one song amongst many other to the virgin Marie witness when they sing O regina poli mater gratissima prosi Spernere me noli me commendo tibi soli i. O queen of heaven c. J commend me to thee onely As for the redemption the full and sufficient ransome for all our synns payed by his blood which they would seem to hold it is with fraud and injurie to Christs blood which by their distinction satisfied for the syn but not for the punishment and therefore they have feighned a purgatorie fyre wherein mens soules doe beare the punishment of their owne venial synns Concil Trid-sess 6. can 30. Bellarm. de Parg. c. 1. From which also they can redeem themselves by money given to Antichrists priests that sacrifice for the synns of the living and the dead And whereas God teacheth us that we are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Jesus Christ Rom. 3. 24. and that we are not justified by the works of the Law but by the faith of Jesus Christ Gal. 2. 16. the Antichristians teach us a justification by faith and works togither by Christs merits Saints and Popes merits their owne and these works by which they beleeve to be saved in part are very many of them wicked works of their owne devisings as going on pilgrimage giving of their goods to mainteyne Antichrists clergie and idolatrie and other like works of the Divil And of their owne idols as of an Agnus Dei made of waxe they beleeve and profess Omne malignum peccatum frangit ut Christi sanguis et angit Jt breaketh all wicked syn as the blood of Christ doeth Thus blasphemously they tread Christs blood under their feet Finally the faith which they profess to have in Christ what is it Any trust or confidence such as the faithful have in Christ to be their saviour as the Apostle teacheth in Rom. 8. 33. ◠39. Gal. 2. 20. Hebr. 3 6. Ephe. 3. 12. Nay this confidence they reject as a presumption and their faith which is without confidence being but an assent to the trueth of Gods promises not a confidence of their justification in particular is such a faith as the Divils have who know and assent to the trueth of Gods promises unto mankinde See Bellarm. de Iustific l. 1. c. 5. 6. c. Now if this painted face of the Romish Iezebel be so fowle and uglie being compared with the beawtie of Christs true spouse what may wee think is the faith of that ignorant seduced multitude of Antichristians who professing Christ in name looke for salvation by the wicked workes which the Pope hath learned them and by the works of the Law of God and beleefe in Christ and their owne sufferings confusedly togither and yet neyther know Christ nor what true saving faith in him doth meane Object Who dare say but that God by this faith in Christ saveth some of them who doe thus beleeve in simplicitie c. Answ. And who dare say but that God notwithstanding this faith professed by the Iesuites as before may justly damne them though they thus beleeve in simplicitie ' Seing even in these things which they profess they corrupt themselves with horrible idolatries having many false Gods and false Christs in whom they also trust and dayly pray unto them as did the heathens And seing this their faith considered in the best is no true saving faith but as themselves say The faith which truely justifieth is not that wherby they beleeve that God is merciful unto them but that wherby they beleeve with the whole hart without any doubting that Jesus is the Christ and the son of
God Bellarm. de Iustific l. 1. c. 8. Such a faith appeareth to have been in the Divils as it is written And Divils also came out of many crying out and saying Thou art Christ the son of God Luke 4. 41. But that God giveth some in that church a sounder faith and saveth them of the riches of his grace I never denyed or doubted of Object 2. Of this minde concerning them J have been a long time see Answ. to Mr. Jak p. 13. 47. c. Answ. But then and there this distinction was rightly put of some particular men considered a part from their constitution that is from their church estate now that church and all other Apostate churches professing Christs name are generally pleaded for to be in the state of grace having the one true baptisme c. which is to justifie the open wicked and count Christs enemies blessed Object 3. Some of them dye Martyrs in defense of the Christian faith acknowledging Iesus to be the Christ the son of God against Turks c. Answ. If it be in defense of the Christian faith it is well but if acknowledging Iesus to be the Christ they dye also in defense of the Antichristian faith professed by that church and for the idolatrie of the same which is hatefull to the very Turks then I say with th'Apostle they may give their body to be burned and it profit them nothing Neyther doubt I but some of the Iewes have dyed and will dye in defense of the God of Israel as they now profess him from Moses and the Prophets rather then yeeld to the heathens But the extraordinary mercie of God to some in Antichrists church justifieth no more the estate of that Synagogue of Satan then his like extraordinary mercie to some of the heathens of whom we shall speak anone wil justifie the heathens synagogues to be Gods true churches As for Martyrs our owne English acts and monuments and other doe shew that many have given their lives for this that the church of Rome is not the true church of Christ. Now by mine opposites plea they died not herein for the trueth but for errour what Martyrs them were they Obj. 4. Many Jndians Pagans Jewes are by them converted and brought to the profession of Christian religion among whom I doubt not but the Lord hath and saveth his even by that knowledge and faith of Christ which by their preaching among them they are brought unto c. Answ. That many of all nations are converted or perverted unto Antichristianitie by the Papists there is no doubt for experience sheweth it and so it is prophesied that by Babylons sorceries all nations should be deceived Reve. 18. 23. So the heathens of Babylon Cuth Hamath c. were converted by a Samaritan Priest and taught to feare the Lord the God of Israel that they feared the Lord and served their own Gods also they feared not the Lord neyther did they after their statutes or after their ordinances 2 King 17. 28. 29. 30. 33. 34. If that misceline rable were Gods true church so are these popish proselytes if they were not as I never heard any affirme they were neyther are these And what have our learned men of England answered to this old popish argument J deny sayth Dr. Fulk that ever the popish church converted any to the true faith Answer to a counterf Catholik art 1. Yea what say the Papists themselves of this point Hierom Benzo in Histor. Indiarum sayth that all the religion the Indians have is to make the signe of the cross to heare a Latine mass and to perform such like ceremonies Ioseph a Costa a Iesuite in his book De procuranda Judaorum salute telleth us that the Spanyards have baptised many against their wills He sayth they are like the Samaritans that worshiped God and idols both togither they make sayth he a feighned shew of Christianitie they serve not God in deed neyther beleeve they unto righteousnes And are not these converts now a goodly plea for mine opposite to alledge for proof of a true Christian church But he procedeth Yea and who can say but that whersoever the name of Christ is preached and called upon the Lord saveth some c. seing that Christ is the way the trueth and the life and whosoever beleeveth in him shall not perish Ioh. 3. 16. 17. c. Answ. Where Christ is truely preached and beleeved no Christian wil say but the Lord saveth some but where Christ is falsly preached and beleeved in after Antichrists idolatrous manner none can truly say that they are a true Christian Church As for Gods saving some by the doctrine there preached it is a thing not for us to dispute of we are commanded to leave secret things unto God and to hold us unto things revealed Deut. 29. 2â— God who brought light out of darknes can cause the trueth to shine into the harts of his elect by the corrupt preaching of the Papists and so I doubt not but he doeth yet is this no justification of the popish church any more then the true preaching of the gospel which is unto the reprobates the savour of death unto death is a condemnation of the Christian Church and true doctrine of the same Object 5. But Out of the Church there is no salvation which J suppose themselves wil not deny And that which is more the Lords constitutions cease not to be his holy ordinances though the people that injoy them should have no benefit therof to salvation Answ. Here we have suppositions in sted of proof His assertion I deny though he supposed the contrary for out of the true visible Church wherof we dispute there may be salvation Many that are not of any true Church yea are persecutors of it and excommunicates out of it may repent and beleeve in Christ even at their last houre and at their death and so be saved though they neyther have time place or means to be joyned to any true visible church on earth If he speak not of a particular visible church but of the Vniversal church which is invisible and comprehendeth all Gods elect he swerveth from the question and deceiveth by aequivocation for we treat of the visible church of Rome whether it be Christs true church or no. As for the Vniversal church which is all over the earth and from the beginning of the world to the end therof and conteyneth Gods elect onely out of it in deed there is no salvation But what is this to the purpose For so a man might reason thus In the church there are no reprobates there is no damnation for Christ giveth all his sheep eternal life and they shal never perish Ioh. 10. 28. But the Popish synagogue is by mine oposites plea the church even the true church of Christ. Therfore in it there are no reprobates there is no damnation Here I doubt not mine opposite would distinguish between the
Catholik or universall church in the first proposition and the particular church of Rome in the second and so deny the argument why would he then himself obtrude upon us such a deceitfull reason The latter part of his speech I grant but it helpeth him nothing For the synagogue of Antichrist is none of Gods constitutions though every true Christian church is neyther hath he annexed promise of grace to his ordinances abused by the man of syn and his subjects in that malignant church but hath threatned the destruction of the deceivers and deceived 2 Thes. 2. 8. 10. 11. 12. 3. The third reason for the church of Rome consisteth of a division of the world into Christians Iewes Turks and Pagans and of a question if it be asked which of these is the Church of God at this day should we not answer the Christians and among the Christians comprise the churches aforesayd for the reasons before specified Answ. The first part of his answer I yeild unto that Christians now are Gods church The second I deny namely that Antichristians such as the Papists be other heretical and apostate churches are to be comprised in the number save in name onely for in deed and trueth they are not His reasons before specified I have particularly refuted so might here end But further to explaine the trueth I answer that after this general division we must make an other subdivision or els we may be deceived The subdivision is of Christians againe into true and false or into Christians and Antichristians which professe Christ in name deny him in deed And this I learne of the holy Ghost who in the Apostles times divided the Iewes into outward and inward Rom. 2. 28. 29. and counted these latter onely Iewes and such as sayd they were Iewes and were not but did lye he calleth them the Synagogue of Satan Revel 3. 9. Even so he prophesied of a Beast or kingdom which should have two hornes like the Lamb Christ and so be called Christians but should speak as the Dragon work wonders deceive men that dwell on the earth c Revel 13. 11. 13. 14. He also foretold of false teachers among Christians who privily should bring in damnable heresies even denying the Lord that bought them c. 2 Pet. 2. 1. If thus we distinguish not between the true Christ and false Christs between true prophets and false prophets and so between true churches and false we may reteyn the name of Christ and Christian churches and be in deed nothing less And according to mine opposites manner of plea an other might reason thus Of synners in the world some are Angels and some are men If then the question be asked seing Christ came to save synners 1 Tim. 1. 15. which of these are redemed and saved by Christ are the church of God should we not answer men and among men also comprise all peoples upon earth Iewes Turks Pagans c. This is the mould of mine Opposers argument and as colourably as he pleadeth for Antichrists synagogue to be Christs Church so others doe plead for universal redemption of all peoples persons borne into the world from Ioh. 1. 9. Rom. 5. 18. and other like scriptures 4 The fourth reason is from baptisme a visible signe of Gods visible Church among Christians as circumcision was among the Iewes c. I answer the baptisme among Antichristians is in deed like their church Christs in name but not in deed and trueth As for that which he annexeth of our defending and reteyning that visible baptisme received in the church of Rome it foloweth after to be discussed when we come to treat of their baptisme In the mean while let it be observed that as Circumcision was a signe of the Church of old so was sacrificing both then and before Circumcision was instituted and all nations reteyning sacrifice then as well as Antichrist reteyneth baptisme the Lords supper now it wil also folow by like reason that all nations were then Gods churches which argumēt shal be prosecuted hereafter Againe as the foolish woman calleth passengers to her sweet stollen waters and pleasant bread of secresies Prov. 9. 13. 17. so this foolish woman the church of Antichrist by like stales allureth the simple unto her which are no sounder proof that she is Christs true spouse then the true mans purse in the theefs hand wil prove the theef to be a true and honest man 5 The 5 reason is from the defection of Iudah and Israel remayning stil Gods people notwithstanding therfore also the church of Rome in like manner Answ. Of the first part of this reason touching the state of the Israelites we are after to speak in particular but were it granted I deny the consequence it foloweth not the Antichristian synagogue is so also Inst. The consequence sayth he is prooved because these were types of the like state of the Christian churches recorded for our instruction 1 Cor. 10. 6. 11. with Rom. 154. 2 Tim. 3. 16. 17. 2 Pet. 2. 1. Jude v. 5. 11. Rev. 2. 14. 20. 11. 2. c. Answ. I grant that he sayth for the Christian churches but for the Antichristian it is true in part onely The synns of Iudah and Israel are found in Rome so are the synns of Sodome Aegypt Babylon and heathen Rome which by warrant from God were types also of this Antichristian Babylon Rev. 11. 8. and 17. 5. From which I may as truly conclude Sodome Aegypt and Babylon of old were so farr fallen frō God as they were not his churches or peoples and they were types of this church of Antichrist and the things written of them are for our instruction Rom. 15. 4. Iude v. 7. 2. Pet. 2. 5. 6. Therfore this Antichristian synagogue is not Christs true church Further I answer that the types which were in Israel prove not that the things typed are in the same degree of good or evil neyther more nor less as mine opposite would inferr that Antichristians are not now more deep in apostasie then were the Israelites For types and figures agree in some things but not in all Moses Aaron David and all other types of Christ were synners but it were wicked therupon to conclude that Christ himself was a synner Moreover Christs Preisthood was figured in Aaron his sōns yet did not that Levitical Preisthood fully type out his office but in part a more complete figure of him was in Melchisedek as th'Apostle sheweth in Heb. 5. and 7. chapters Accordingly it wil follow that Antichrist is answerable to Israels apostasie in part and yet a more complete figure of him is to be found in the Gentiles And as Christ excelleth in holynes all that were types of him so Antichrist exceedeth in wickednes all the types of him therfore hath many sorts of wicked men to resemble his impietie Rev. 11. 8. And that his consequence followeth not
can be transformed as the ministers of righteousnes 2 Cor. 11. 14. 15. is it such a marvel that he should transforme his temple and church into the Temple of God and church of Christ and yet as he is a Divil stil notwithstanding his transformation so his Temple coÌ„tinueth stil the Temple of the Divil and church of Antichrist how ever they are disguised with other names and habits And to help a litle to the discerning of both these opposite mysteries of pietie and impietie wee are to know that Christs Kingdome beginneth in the kingdome of Satan and is perfected in the Kingdome of God and Antichrists kingdome beginneth in the kingdome of God and is perfected in the kingdome of Satan For the god of this world having blinded the eyes of infidels who are dead in synns and walk according to the prince of the power of the aier Christ by his Ministers sent into the world and by his word of trueth the gospel causeth light to arise unto them openeth their eyes and turneth them from darknes to light and from the power of Satan vnto God that they may receive forgivenes of synns and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in him and thus God delivereth them from the power of darknes and translateth them into the kingdome of his beloved son Then cometh Satan by Antichrists which are his ministers privily crept into the church and by the word of lying which is Antichrists gospel he darkneth the mindes of them that have not received the love of the trueth and turneth them back againe from God and by damnable heresies privily brought in draweth them even to deny the Lord that bought them and so bring upon themselves swift destruction Then doe they goe out from the church blaspheme the way of trueth and togither with the Beast doe warr against Christ whom yet in name and pretense they would seem to honour and serve so accomplishing the mysterie of their iniquitie unto assured damnation if they turne not againe unto God This thing not being observed how Christ beginneth in the world and draweth men out of it into his church and Antichrist beginneth in the church draweth men out of it into the world againe as the Dragons taile draweth the starrs of heaven â—â—fteth them to the earth Rev. 12. 4. mine opposite thought it absurditie and contradiction in me for writing thus When th Apostle therfore telleth us that Antichrist sitteth as God in the Temple of God it is to be vnderstood first of their invading and destroying of Gods church and people as the heathens of old dealt with Jerusalem and dwellers therin secondly of their owne vayne ostentation whiles they will have it called the Christian catholik church and th Pope the head of the same Vpon this he thus inveigheth What have we here Doth himself now by the Temple of God vnderstand Gods church and people yea such as was answerable to Ierusalem and the dwellers therin of old why then hath he so eagerly oppugned us hereabout c. Answ. I oppugne the present church of Rome which Antichrist destroyeth not but buildeth and adorneth as an alluring harlot the Christian church which was in Rome of old that hath he invaded and destroyed long since for they then were Saints such as he hateth these now are worshipers of him and of idols Divils and are an habitation of Divils So there is as much difference between the church of Rome now and the church then as between the Bishop of Rome now the Bishops then they were Christs ministers this now is Antichrist as mine opposite himself confesseth And what cause hath he to insult as if he had got the victorie Let wise men judge But he proceedeth Obj. Where can he shew in the scriptures that sitting is put for invading or destroying c. Otherwhere stil he teatheth that by sitting is meant abiding continuing dwelling c. What if I cannot prove that sitting is put for invading or destroying if I prove my assertion by other words of the text shall it not suffice The words Eiston Naon into the Temple may imply by a figure his invading and the person that invadeth being an enemy a theef a wolf implyeth his destroying for our Saviour sayth The theef cometh not but for to steale and to kill and to destroy 1 Joh. 10. 10. The scripture often wanteth words easy to be understood so here Paul sayth of Antichrist that he having entred into the Temple of God sitteth as God And if they regard not my exposition they shall have his on whom they so much rely Mr. Iunius I mean who so explaineth it saying The testimonie of signe is this that Invading the temple of God he shal sit as God Jun. Animad vers in Bellarm. Controv. 3. l. 3. c. 14. not 18. But what if I confirme it by the word sitting which he thought so unlikely In Esai 14. 13. the Prophet upbraideth the king of Babylon thus Thou hast sayd in thine hart J wil ascend into heaven c. J wil sit also in the mount of the congregation in the sides of the North meaning mount Sion where Gods temple was But this is meant of Nebuchadnezars invading of Ierusalem to spoile the same as the historie sheweth 2 King 25. and in him Antichrists tyrannie against the church was lively figured As for sitting to mean continuing though it doth so often times yet not alwayes Christ sate upon the mount of Olives Mat. 24. 3. the disciples sate in the house Act. 2. 2. yet dwelt they not or continued long there And when the Babylonian invaded mount Sion to sit there he continued not there but having spoiled the citie burned the Temple and captived the people he returned into Babylon 2 King 25. so Antichrist spoiling Christian churches returneth to his whore of Babylon his proper habitation which he wickedly boasteth to be the Sion Temple and church of God Wheras mine opposite expounded the Temple of God to be the church and shewed not whether he meant a church particular or general and catholik I sayd for a particular church it wil not agree with the prophesies of Antichrist whose citie or church is so great as peoples kinreds tongues nations doe dwell in the streets therof Rev. 11. 8. 9. He gainsayeth me thus First Still he calls that Antichrists church which th' Apostle calleth the Temple of God Answ. It is his own interpretation that the Temple meaneth the church and that he that sitteth in it is Antichrist and sitting he wil have to be continuing and why may not I call that church wherin Antichrist sitteth continually as God Antichrists church yea though it were indeed Gods church as he supposeth Seing the citie wherin Christ did but dwell was called his owne citie Mat. 9. 1. And that which God sayth in my house and in my kingdom 1 Chron.
sitteth as God in the Temple of God carrying them to destruction Whereas to prove the Temple of God 2. Thes. 2. which he expoundeth the Church of Rome to be the true Church he alleaged Zach. 6. 12. 13. Eph. 2. 11. c. 2. Cor. 6. 16. Rev. 11. 19. I shewed how he misapplied the Scriptures he repeateth his former answers which I have formerly resuted And now he addeth But to put him from his shifts let him tel us plainly when Paul sayth The Temple of God hath not agreement with Idols 2. Cor. 6. 16. if yet there be idols set in the Temple of God as was in the time of Manasseh and Antiochus whether now it ceased to be the Temple of God or not The Scripture sheweth it is the Temple of God notwithstanding 2. King 21. 7. Ier. 50. 28. Ezek 8. 5. 10. 16. Dan. 11. 31. 38. Answ. I tell them plainly that that Temple of God which the prophets speak of had no agreement with idols though the wicked set up idols in it by force But the Church of Rome which these call the Temple of God hath agreement with idols if images of silver and gold wood and stone a wheaten god in the Masse and the man of syn which sitteth as God be idols For these idols the Church of Rome worshipeth and serveth most synfully but the Temple of God which the Prophets speake of never worshiped the Idols set up in it nor had accord with them But this is a shift of shifts and a notorious sophisme in mine opposite to reason from the materiall Temple of God then which onely suffered that abuse to the spirituall Temple the Church or people now which are voluntary agents worshipers of Idols By which false argumentation he might even as well conclude that if the Papists should turn flat Pagans of Antiochus religion and serve his idols and be of his faith yet they should continue the true Church and people of God notwithstanding because the Temple then continued Gods true Temple notwithstanding all that Antiochus did thereto The next point touching their baptisme I will anone treat of in particular For his objection of salvation now had in the Church of Rome c. it was his second main argument for that Church which I have before answered he after his manner repeateth againe and againe the same things so lengthening his work I referr the reader to that answer I gave before Other things whereby I convinced his doctrine to beat the path for all licentiousnes contrary to the plaine Scriptures which shew that he that committeth sin is of the Divil and we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not c. 1. Ioh. 3. 8. 5. 18. whereas if that he plead for be true men may be as prophane as Esau filthy in life as Sodom idolatrous and sinfull as the Aegyptians and Babylonians and yet if they wil call themselves Christians and be outwardly baptized c. they shal be justified as Gods true Church they and their seed in his covenant of grace c. which is to strengthen the hands of the wicked that he should not returne from his wickednes by promising him life Ezek 13. 22. These and other like things he passeth over without word of answer It is ynough for him to cry the Temple of God the Temple of God and to insist upon phrases which may diversly be understood Whereas the sound plea should be from the doctrines of faith and sanctification of life according by which the Apostles teach us to discern true Christians from false And who that seeketh after the truth would not rather insist upon these main grounds taught by our Saviour and his Apostles Verily I judge this pleading for Rome to be an exceeding great sin because it by consequence overthroweth both faith and holines seeing misbeleevers and most synfull idolaters as ever were on earth are justified to be Gods true Church notwithstanding and in his covenant of grace contrary to the whole Testament of Christ. It is to make a wide gate and broad way into heaven and will make men secure in all syn if they that serve the Man of syn himselfe worship his idols beleeve in his heresies and walk in his wicked works which hope to merit salvation by them in heaven may be sayd to be true Christians and in the state of grace Of the state of the Heathen WHereas I sayd J held it presumption for any to limit God by how smal meanes or measure of faith and knowledge he will save a man Who dares den but God had many elect among the heathens after he had separated Jsrael from them Yea God expresly sayd when he made Israel his peculiar people that yet all the earth was his Exod. 19 5. which are the words of the covenant generally Wherefore we leave Gods secret counsels to himself as he willeth us Deut. 29. 29. and doe consider onely the visible state of Churches by the rules of Gods law and promises To this mine opposite sayth What is it that he meaneth hereby Jf by the covenant he mean the covenant of grace for salvation whereof we treat and think that all people of the world in all ages and places of the earth are under it what differeth this from the opinion of the Anabaptists and Armintans touching general redemption Jf he speak not of the covenant of grace which is for salvation all may perceive he speakes not to the point in hand Answ. My meaning is plaine that God had his elect among the heathens as he bath in the Church of Rome and he could not but see what I intended By the covenant generally with all nations I mean the same that himself alleaged whileare from Keâ—kerman of the Church largely taken which he explaineth the company of all those which professe Christian religion or the name of Christ in what manner soever And thus sayth he are all heretikes schismatikes and Arians Papists Anabaptists and such like referred to the Christian Churches So if he understood himselfe he might understand me when I spake of the covenant generally For such large Churches as he describeth I hold all nations to be when God made his speciall covenant with Israel Noe was a Christian and had the covenant of grace in Christ to him and to his seed as absolutely as any Christian Church in the Apostles dayes though the mystery of the Gospel was not then so clearly revealed * as it was afterward by the Apostles But for the substance of the covenant namely Christ and faith in him with obedience it was given to Adam and his seed to Noe and his seed Heb. 13. 8. 11. 1. 2 3. 4. 7. c. And this covenant of grace in Christ confirmed by sacrifices as to us now by the sacraments Which sacrifices all nations kept the first thousand yeers after Noe which was till after Moses death as well as the large Christian
and people so doth the Antichristian of Antichrist his ministers and people This Beast hath seven heads and ten hornes Rev. 17. 3. the ten hornes are sayd to be ten Kings v. â—2 as in Dan. 7. 24. the ten hornes out of that kingdom are ten kings these kings are none of the hierarchy wherefore the whole body of this beast conteineth more then the Pope and his hierarchy The Lamb against whom the Beast with his hornes fighteth Rev. 17. 14. Mr. Iunius expoundeth to be Christ and his Church why may not we by like reason expound the Beast to bee Antichrist and his Church Finally the Beast sayth Mr. Iunius * himselfe is the Romane Empire made long agoe of civill Ecclesiastical the chief head whereof hee maketh the Pope to beâ— And the Beast of Rome sayth he of a civil Empire is made an ecclesiastical Hierarchie The Whore he expoundeth to be the spiritual Babylon which is Rome so then by mine opposites plea neither did Mr. Iunius say neither ever entred into his thought that the ecclesiastical Roman Empire since the Pope was head of it or the hierarchy was ever married unto Christ. As for the Whore the Church which rideth this Beast he calleth it the False-Christian Church over which Antichrist ruleth and Antichrists Church which title mine opposite will not beare at my hand and that Antichristian Church which the Angel biddeth cast out and measure it not in Rev. 11. 12. Mr. Iunius explaineth thus As if he should say it belongeth nothing to thee to judge those which are without 1. Cor. 5. 12. which be innumerable look unto those of the houshold onely or unto the house of the living God Notwithstanding all this Mr. Iohnson would needs measure it for the true Church House and Temple of God so well doe Mr. Iunius and he accord together To a testimony which I alleaged out of D. Fulk concerning the miserable blindnesse of people in Popery of which mine opposite sayth he might have been better aduised hee to requiâ—e me as he thinketh alleageth a speech of Mr. Broughtons who sayth Millions of millions of Romes clients are saved Brought on Rev. 13. 18. p. 203. Answ. Would he be content that Mr. Broughton should decide our controversie touching the Church of Rome Thus then sayth that author in the same book The Popes clients are the taile of the great Dragon Thence from Rome was the Rebellion to arise Man of syn Apollyon c. to set up or depose states and to have a people of his own frame and to burne the true Temple of God The Popes power driveth the Church not to be seen for certaine hundreds of yeares The Pope wresteth al that is spoken of the true Church into protection for his synagogue of Satan Rome passeth al the enemies of the Church in cruelty and idolatry Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezar were never so hardened The prophane Caesars did not so strictly hinder all use of Religion Rome hath farr passed the old Babel in idolatry The Pope followeth al heathen superstition in name staffe apparel of Caesars and Temples setting but a face of Christianity upon them All their doctrine is such that their Temples Masse and dayly profession in al things is from the unclean spirit and their whole policie is a lye The Beast which is ascended out of Abyssos that is al his eorporations millions of millions alpapists goe from their Abyssos of black ignorance unto Abyssos Luk. 8. whither the Divils shal come in their time to be tormented for ever ever These sundry the like coÌ„mendations doth the author alleaged give of the church of Rome which mine opposite pleadeth for and taking hold of a phrase wresteth it for his purpose from the mans meaning who seemeth not to speak of the popish church but of the ancient Christian for these are there Mr. Broughtons words And for Julius the captaine who was so careful for S. Paul that for his sake the liâ—e of the prisoners were spared Act. 27. God would not record this but to save millions of millions of Romes clients for S. Paul but for the unthankeful to S. Paul and forgers that Peter was at Rome who never came neere it he stil reserved Pilats holiness that Popes selfe-murder should be the reward Was not here a testimony well alleaged So in other places of his book he quoteth Mr. Brightman and others whose writings directly cross that which he pleadeth for in many things as they that read the authors may see and anone I will set downe their sayings No marvell then if hee wrest my words as where next he sayth that that which the Apostle speaketh of the Man of sin and of them that perish because they receive not the love of the truth c. 2. Thess. 2. 9. J apply for exclusion from pardon and certain condemnation to the whole Church of Rome and so to all the members thereof and that for all ages that either have been are or shal be ever since the Man of syn was seated there Answ. I sayd no more but thus God if it were granted that he is the husband of this whore hath promised her no pardon but delivered her to Satan to be seduced deluded damned 2. Thes. 2. 9. 11. 12. I speak not here of those in Rome that have withstood her whoordoms which have been many nor of those to whom at last God hath given repentance unto life which I hope are moe nor of other his elect but of the whore in generall whose damnation is shewed in Rev. 17. and 18. yea th'Apostle speaketh more particularly That they all might be damned who beleeve not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness Behold how hee sayth they all which some evill minded man might urge against the Apostle as mine opposite doth against me But wise men know that the promises of life to the true Church pertain not to the reprobates that are in it so the threatnings of death to the false Church take not hold on Gods elect which are therein Object Jf this harlot the Church of Rome was never Christs spouse otherwise then all the world was by our first parents Adam and Noe how then hath she broken the covenant of wedlock if she never were in it how can she be called a whore in respect of Christ any more then the heathens that never knew God in Christ How can she be sayd to be in Apostasie c. Answ. Of the state of the Gentiles I have spoken before and proved them to have been all in the covenant of grace in Christ from Gen. 9. 9. c. But they generally fell from God to idolatry which is whoredom and apostasie and were in time rejected of God who renewed his covenant with one small nation of the Iewes and yet saved his elect among the Gentiles also So the Christian Churches planted by the Apostles soon fell from
is not true baptisme I constantly affirme so did Mr. Iohnson himselfe whiles he stood in and wrote for the truth That the Papists have turned baptisme into an idoll I have also formerly proved and wil maintain against his answers That therefore it is detestable and cursed unto them through their abuse of it doth necessarily follow for the sacrifice of the wicked is an abominatiō to the Lord Pro. 15. 8. That it should be no better then the dayly washing of our face is wrongfully imputed to us and Mr. Cl. whom hee citeth in his margine professeth to hold no such thing For our dayly washing is no religious action nor sacrament at all but baptisme by hereticks and apostates is a religious action after their manner and a false sacrament therfore neither true neither yet none at all as our opposite with us once professed Apolog. p. 110. Insted of proving it true baptisme hee bringeth reasons to shew that if it were an idol and lying signe it ought to be renounced and an other received This he knoweth the Anabaptists doe practise so it is no conviction of them all But he bendeth his force now against us and leaveth them Let us try what he sayth 1. Because sayth he idols and lying signes and fictions are not of God but of the Divil who is a liar and father thereof Ioh. 8. 44. Rom. 3. 4. Answ. I grant that which he sayth but he concludeth not the question Idols so farr as they are idols and lies are wholly of the Divill and so farr forth to be renounced But some idols and lies are made of Gods true ordinances and of his good creatures as Paul sayth of the Gentiles that they changed the truth of God into a lye and worshiped and served the creature Rom. 1. 25. Here the Gentiles lie is to be doen away and their idolatry renounced but the truth of God is to be reteined and a holy use of the good creature may be had which they abused So wee have renounced the popish idolatry and lies which they have brought upon Gods sacraments but the truth we reteyne 2. An idol or such a baptisme as is no more then a dayly washing of our faces cannot be the signe and seale of Gods true and everlasting covenant c. Answ. I grant it and from his own words conclude against him Baptisme in the Church of Rome is formerly proved to be an idoll because they give to the creature and work of mans hands that honour which is due unto Christ onely Therefore it cannot bee a signe and seale of Gods everlasting covenant by his owne grant As for us we reteyne no idoll but Gods truth onely as before I shewed 3. The signe in a Sacrament is that which is outward and visible which in baptisme is washing with water in the name of the Lord. Jf this be a fiction and lying signe in the churches aforesayd then is it not the Lords and they there baptised have not then the outward visible signe which the Lord ordained to be had of his people and therefore are bound to get it unto them where it may be had Rom. 4. 11. 6. 3. 4. Act. 10. 47. 48. c. Answ. 1. The first part of his reason is unperfectly set down for washing with water is a signe of the washing away of sinns by and in Gods institution onely by which institution it is to bee ministred to none but the faithfull and their seed Act. 8. 36. 37. 2. 38. 39. If it be not ministred according to this ordinance of God it is not the signe of his grace in that abuse though it be the thing which God in the right use hath appoynted for a signe 2. Hee would deceive his reader as if we held washing should be with any other creature then water or in any other name then the Lords These things wee know are in themselves the true ordinances of Christ but by Antichrist turned to a lye whiles hee falsly applyeth them to his adulterous synagogue which Christ hath given to his Church onely and whiles hee idolatrously giveth that grace to the work of his sacrilegious priests which is peculiar to Christ and his bloud It is the true signe of the covenant of Christ which is by Antichrist turned to a lye and if we should devise to our selves any other signe we should be lyars like him who hath devised creame spittle and other like elements synfully joyned with his baptisme 4. That also is to be doen without delay seeing the neglect of baptisme is sin and no unbaptised may eat of the Lords Supper c. Answ. It is true and so we if we had not been baptised with water c. would doe it without delay But hee trifleth insisting upon the outward element which he knoweth we had and leaveth the main thing the relation to the covenant of grace which we had not in that Antichristian synagogue 5. Jf any reteine an idol baptisme c. and presume to come to the Lords table they eat judgement to themselves Answ. We reteyne no idoll baptisme but have put away the idoll and the lye and reteyne the truth onely as before is shewed The same we answer to his sixt reason which is but a repetition and inlargement of his former as is his manner 7. Neither can it be thought that repentance which still they speak of should ever make a lye to be a truth and idol to be Gods ordinance c. For though repentance findeth mercy with God for a lye yet a lye is a lye stil and an idol-vanity Zach. 10. 2. Ier. 10. 8. Ioh. 8. 44. 14. 6. 17. 17. with 2. Cor. 6. 14. 15. 16. Answ. It is true of such idols and lies as the Scriptures which he citeth speaketh of but there are other idols and lies which by men are made of God himselfe and of his word and ordinances which by Gods grace upon mens repentance and faith are restored to the first truth As the Gentiles changed the truth of God into a lye Rom. 1. 25. and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image Rom. 1. 23. and Israel changed God their glory into the similitude of an Oxe Psal. 106. 20. When they repented of their changing the truth into a lye they reteyned the truth still and kept that God whom before they ignorantly worshiped and of whom they had made an idoll to themselves Act. 17. 23. So for Gods ordinances as if the Israelites had made idols of Jachin and Boaz the two sacramentall pillars in the Temple 2. Chron. 3. 17. and had burnt incense to them as they did to the brazen Serpent 2. King 18. 4. they should have repented of and put away their idolatry but have reteyned those pillars still for such signes as God had ordeyned them But such pillars and posts as Israel had invented of their own heads and set them by the Lords posts Ezek. 43. 8. no repentance could make them
the Lords posts but they must have been utterly taken away So in Popish baptisme water is the Lords ordinance by them abused and turned to an idoll salt oyle c. are Antichrists ordinances set up also for idols these latter we utterly reject because they were never Gods ordinances in baptisme the water we reteyne having put away onely the abuse and lye of Antichrist annexed thereto If this bee not so then the Iewes should not onely have repented of and put away their lye when they used those lying words The Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord c. Ier. 7. 4. but they must have destroyed the Temple it selfe also And whereas the Papists and other hereticks make lyes of the Scriptures and of Christs holy words This is my body make their idoll of Transubstantiation and the like they thould not onely repent of their lies and put away their idols but also renounce Christs words and put away the holy Scriptures if this doctrine of our opposites be true 8. Nor doe they in deed repent who stil reteyne such baptisme as themselves think to be an idol c. for true repentance bindeth us to cast away all idols c. Answ. This is already answered neither doe we reteyn such a baptisme as wee think to be an idol but that ordinance of God which was an idol by Antichrists abuse and is through the grace of God restored unto his former truth that onely doe wee reteyne repenting of our former abuse thereof amongst them God himselfe as I have shewed was made an idoll by the Gentiles their repentance bound them to cast away their idolatry but to reteyn God still Wheras they say We have gotten the Lords baptisme by comming to the Lord in true faith and repentance who baptiseth us with the holy Ghost and with fire As for the outward washing which we had it need not be repeated as before is shewed and we may as lawfully eat the Lords Supper without a new washing as the idolatrous Isralites turning to the Lord might eat the Passover without a new cutting or circumcising 2. Chron. 30. 1. 5. 11. 18. 25. Ezr. 6. 21. And afterward say We have renounced that Romish baptisme as an impure idol in their abuse standing up in the place of Christ and his precious blood which it is not pretending to give grace and wash away sinns which it doth not c. they doe but shift and contradict themselves and deceive others and still run into errours more and more Answ. Great words as if he would beare down all before him But let us heare his proofes For first sayth he speaking of the Lords baptisme they speake of that which is inward whereas our question is of that which is outward Answ. A good beginning The Apostle sayth there is one Lord one faith one baptisme Eph. 4. 5. Himselfe also a little before sayd against the Anabaptists There is one baptisme as there was one circumcision Now against us he would have two baptismes one outward an other inward Whereas though there bee two actions one outward doen by men the other inward doen by Gods spirit yet both are but one baptisme one sacrament as the outward body and the inward soule make not two men but one man A sacrament is a sacred order between the outward visible thing and the spirituall invisible which have a mutuall proportion and likenesse between them The Apostle sayth That is not circumcision which is outward in the flesh but that which is of the heart in the spirit Rom. 2. 28. 29. If they have in Rome but the outward washing without the inward then have they not true baptisme but a false deceitfull signe Secondly it is not true that I spake but of the inward work onely for I spake also of the outward which being had in Rome need not be repeated as I shewed by the example of the Israelites Now which of us two shifteth contradicteth and deceiveth I or he let indifferent men say 2. They spake sayth he of abuses in the ministration and opinions of the Ministers thereof whereas our question is of the thing it selfe not of the abuse Answ. We speak of the thing it selfe Baptisme abused by the ministers and receivers neither of which are in Gods covenant and therefore can have no true signe or seale of his covenant unto them in that estate Secondly if it were not for abuses and opinions of men God and his truth and ordinances could never bee changed into lies and idols as the Apostle teacheth us they were Rom. 1. 23. 25. The Athenians were idolaters against the true God whom Paul preached and whom they ignorantly worshiped Act. 17. 23. If one would take them in hand to excuse them say Our question is of the thing it selfe the true God and not of the Athenians abuses and opinions were it not a worthy plea yet such we have for Antichristians baptisme 3. Their assertion sayth he implieth that they had not the Lords baptisme till they got it themselves by comming to the Lord in true faith and repentance which is plain Anabaptistry and covert Popery and Arminianisme whereby they debase Gods grace and exalt mans works For it must be understood either of the inward or outward baptisme if of the inward besides that it toucheth not the question it implieth Popery if of the outward it conteyneth Anabaptistry Answ. Deliver my soule ô Lord from lying lips from the deceitful tongue Psa. 120. 2. First he citeth as my words till they had got it themselves by comming to the Lord whereas the word themselves is of his own addition Secondly hee wresteth them to such a meaning as in his conscience he knew I never intended namely to debase Gods grace and exalt mans worke as doe the Papists and Arminians As if I thought that we came or could come to the Lord of our selves without being drawn of the Father or as if our comming to him were a meritorious work which errours I abhorr 3. Neither doe my words imply such a meaning any more then our Saviours when he sayd Come unto me all yee that labour c. and J will give you rest take my yoke upon you c. and yee shall finde rest to your soules Math. 11. 28. 29. To conclude of that speech Therefore they could come of themselves or their comming should be a meritorious work or the like were an openinjury to our Lords words His two baptismes inward and outward is before shewed to bee but'an evasion wee acknowledge but one baptisme Eph. 4. 5. Neither if it be understood of the outward doth it as hee sayth conteyn Anabaptistrie for the Anabaptists doe not hold that they have the outward baptisme by faith and repentance but doe repeat the outward vvork and baptise againe vvhich I deny So herein he hath done me double vvrong 4. Jf they had died in infancie they had not then had the Lords baptisme nor had been baptised
hee pleaded against the Pope and his Hierarchy that they they onely are the Man of syn the son of perdition the Beast the Antichrist and why wondred he so at me when I called for proofe that Christ was maried to that Beast seeing he hath the same baptisme the same Lords Supper the same beleef touching the Articles of faith that the people of his church have But their counterfeit profession of Christ is before discovered And they that baptize which are the Hierarchy he confesseth to be the Man of syn the Antichrist they are none of the church as we have heard but ulcers gangrenes c. what now have such to doe with the name of the Lord or administration of the seales of his covenant And compare with this that which himself sayth in the 3. page of his book that the action of baptisme is wholly enjoyned and layd upon the baptiser and not upon the baptised If this be so where hath God layd the action of baptizing upon Antichrist the Man of syn and if God hath not layd it upon him how can hee truely doe it in Gods name How will they prove sayth he that it is a lying signe unto them in their estate seeing baptisme as the other sacraments in Israel and under the Gospel hath this in it to be a signe by the ordinance of God not at the pleasure of man And God is the God of truth and appoynteth no lying signes but true Neither can mans iniquity make Gods signes to be lying signes Synful therfore and erroneous it is so to think if not also blasphemous so to speak Answ. And was it synfull and erroneous thinketh he in Paul when he sayd They changed the truth of God into a lye Rom. 1. 25. For if mans iniquity cannot change Gods signes into lying signes how should it change the truth of God into a lye And how could Ieremie have proved unto the Iewes if mine opposite had then lived to plead for them that those were lying words when they sayd The Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord c. Ier. 7. 4. for had they not in deed the Temple of the Lord his true ordinance and signe whereof they spake The word of God is truth Ioh. 17. 17. How then should mans iniquity make Gods truth to be a lye unto themselues though they pervert the word unto all manner false-doctrine errour and heresie Idols are lies Esa. 44. 20. Ier. 16. 19. 20. How can the Pope make an idoll of the bread in the sacrament though he fall downe and worship it and beleeve it is his maker seeing as it is bread it is a true thing and Gods good creature as it is sacramentall bread it is a true signe by the ordinance of God who appoynteth no lying signes Is it not blasphemous now and would he not rend his clothes as did Caiaphas if he should heare one call the Popes sacrament of the altar an idol or a lying signe unto him in that estate But to conclude The sacraments are in deed signes by the ordinance of God not at mans will Gods ordinance maketh them signes of grace to the faithful receivers onely 1. Cor. 11. 20. 29. Rom. 2. 25 Act. 8. 36. 37. If infidels and Antichrists falsly challenge and usurp Gods signes and abuse them to open idolatry and their own perdition they change the truth of Gods ordinance into a lye unto themselves and whiles they vainly think to have forgivenesse of synns by them they add syn unto syn and receive their own damnation Whereas I had set downe two reasons to prove the Popish baptisme false and a lying signe unto them mine opposite passeth them over as too heavy for him and cometh to set downe differences between Gods ordinances and mens corruptions Gods signes and mens errours Mariage meates and drinks and the abuses of these the scriptures and the errors gathered from them the Sun Moon and Starrs as they are creatures and as they are made idols and worshiped of men c. Wherein he laboureth to prove the thing which we hold and doth most injuriously intimate against us as if we thought the contrary Should we be so wicked as to imagine the ordinances of God or his creatures to be evill in themselves Farr be it from us Nay we say that the papists for abusing the sacraments and turning them to lyes and idols shall have the greater judgement not for abusing bread and wine and water as they are creatures onely but for abusing them as they are sacramentall signes ordeyned of Christ which maketh their profanation more horrible their damnation more just But this is a practise of many that plead for errour to leave the arguments which doe convince them and to propone new questions and reasons of their owne that they may seeme to say something by multitude of words So when I shewed the example of the idolatrous Israelites that repenting and forsaking their false Synagogues lying signes in them usurped they needed not a new outward cutting or circumcising as is shewed at large in our former writings Discovery p. 116. 120. Apolog. p. 110. 113. He passeth over the reasons manifested in those books as if he had never seen them when as the one was most of it penned by himself And now he pleadeth Wheras they say that circumcision was also a lying signe and false sacrament to Jsrael in their defection how doe they prove it where doth the Scripture teach it will they have us take it on their bare word and beleeve that their saying are Oracles c. Answ. He might have seen reasons in the books before cited besides those that I have set down But thus in seeking to wound us he hath smitten through his own sides as if himselfe when he wrote those things in our Apologie would have had men beleeve his bare word and that his sayings were Oracles Whereas if ever hee wrote soundly in his life he did it in that Apologie as all men of good judgement may perceive Further now to answer him I say that I spake of their lying signes which implyed their Passover and sacrifices as well as their circumcision And those being so profaned as for them they were by Gods Law to bee cut off as murderers Levit. 17. as sacrificers to Divils not to God Deut. 32. 17. 2. Chron. 11. 15. 15. 3. were they then true signes unto them of Gods grace and fauour and forgivenesse of their synns in Christ The Scripture teacheth they could not be partakers of the Lords table and of the table of Divils 1. Cor. 10 21. In particular for their circumcision I proved it thus True circumcision was the seale of the righteousness of saith Rom. 4. 11. Jsrael in their apostasie were fallen from the faith Hos. 11. 12. they were without the true God without Priest to teach without Law 2. Chron. 15. 3. and how then could they have the true circumcision the seale of
of the abuse our question is of the thing it selfe notwithstanding their sinful abuse Ans. Our question is of popish baptisme which cannot bee rightly handled without looking to their abuses for how should we judge of the heathens worship and sacrifices if wee looke not upon their abuses as Paul doth in Rom. 1. The same I answer to his 5. exception of their opinions and errours Take away the errours of actions and what fault can we finde with any 6. If the Romish baptisme be a lye in the right hand of all that receive it then of infants then also in their own right hand that were baptised there Not to speak of the Martyrs c. Ans. There is no respect of persons with God Bee they old or yong better or worse syn is syn in all Though Gods grace in Christ purgeth syn from his elect which remaineth in the reprobates His 7. 8. and 9. exceptions are vain and repetitions of former things without conviction If Bellarmine or any speak truth wee may speak it with them so Paul speaketh with the heathen Poets Tet. 1. 12. 13. Act. 17. 28. 10. Jf they mean the true sacraments in Christs Church seale not up to Gods people forgiveness of sinns it is an errour if they meane that they doe not themselves take away sinns and conferr grace they use shifts and keep not to the poynt of the relation here spoken of and as it is appoynted to bee by the Lord himself Answ. The first I grant him and hee knew well it was not my meaning The latter I have proved that they being under Gods wrath 2. Thess. 2. have no seale from God of forgivenesse of synns in that estate And their doctrine of conferring grace by the work doen is hereticall and idolatrous which he not being able to gainsay puts it away as his manner is with a shift 11. From Gods sentence of condemnation touching Antichrist and his adhaerents they reason to Gods baptisme never condemned by the Lord but still continued in the Church and Temple of God where Antichrist sitteth Ans. Of his own mouth let him be judged Wee reason onely of Antichrist and his adherents the Whore of Babylon or adulterous church which hee sayth are condemned of God How then doth God give them the signe and seale of grace forgivenesse of synns Gods baptisme wee condemne not neither our Lords Supper but Antichrists Christening and Masse we deny to be Christs baptisme and supper Hee still beggeth the question which he should prove And let him take away Antichrist and his adhaerents and the church of Rome whereof we reason wil be vanished as smoke and come to nothing as take away Christ and his adhaerents so there will bee no Christian Church nor sacraments to be found 12. From the brasen serpent which was but a temporary and extraordinary signe the use whereof was ceased when it was thus perverted c. they reason to baptisme which is an ordinary signe whose use still continueth and may never be taken away or destroyed to the end of the world Ans. We reason not from the one to the other but by the abuse of the one we shew the abuse of the other And what is this in him but a shift to plead the temporarinesse of that signe For if they had burnt incense to it in the wildernesse or if they had burnt incense to the Cherubims or brazen Bulls or pillars which were continued signes they had made idols of them nevertheless Otherweise the wheaten god in the Popish supper is no idol seeing the use of the Lords Supper continueth to the worlds end as well as baptisme And hitherto of the shifts as he calleth them wherein how he hath shifted in sted of answering by the word of truth the wise reader may see Like these are his catalogue of Errours 1. That the baptisme had in the church of Rome is an idol c. Ans. 1. This is proved by the 2. commandement Exod. 20. whiles they ascribe divine honour to the creature 2. It is proved also by his owne assertion that bookes of prayer read for prayer are idols as before I shewed from his words in his last book 3. He sheweth not one word to prove it an errour in me but sayth Of which more hereafter Thus vain tantologies are his arguments to oppose the truth which he calleth Errour 2. That whereas idols are of two sorts both the kinds are in Popish baptisme Jf it be as the brazen serpent that from an holy signe was perverted to an idol it should presently be destroyed as 2. King 18. 4. Answ. I deny his inference If they had burnt incense to the Temple should it have been destroyed The brazen serpent was named but for an instance to shew that holy signes may be made idols by wicked men This doctrine hee being not able to convince leaveth it and would evade by the destroying of it As if all idols must bee destroyed The heathens made idols of the Sun Moon Starrs Beasts Fishes Mountaines Lakes c. Must all these therefore be destroyed If men make an idol of their King as did the Babylonians Dan. 6. 7. must the King presently be destroyed whoever heard of such divinity That which hee addeth of the Popes crossings exorcismes c. is before answered for he sayth Our question is of the baptisme it selfe as if those were not a part of Popish baptisme He would have wicked mens actions separated from all their synns errours and wickednes in doing them So in deed I could justifie all idolatry in the world for take away the errour and syn of an action and that which remaineth must needs be good 3. They say not they have renounced the abuses and kept the baptisme it selfe c. but say they have renounced that Romish baptisme as an impure idol in their abuse If they have in deed so doen then here again is notable errour and Anabaptistry And now then what outward baptisme have they remaining to themselves Ans. Neither doth Solomon say the abuse of the wickeds sacrifice is an abomination and except the sacrifice as holy but he sayth expresly The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord Prov. 15. 8. He was answered before to his two baptismes outward and inward that the Apostle and elsewhere himselfe maketh but one baptisme Eph. 4. 5. And the outward part thereof we reteyne as now sanctified to us of God as the outward cutting of the idolatrous Israelites was to them that repented 2. Chron. 30. Ezr. 6. 21. which again he putteth off till afterwards 4. Note also that the brazen Serpent was not in deed an idol but an holy ordinance of God which in time came to be idolatrously abused c. Ans. He sayth all things but proves nothing It was in deed an idol and an holy ordinance idolatrously abused also These things stand well together The Sun was in deed an idoll to them that worshiped it and yet it was
the Papists that worship them as Gods have not made them idols to themselves And under this shelter of falshood he shrowdeth himself when he hath nought else to answer repeting it I know not how often 7. That the Romish baptisme is a lye in the right hand of all that so receive it Where the Prophet speaketh of idols that by nature are no Gods c. Jf the Romish baptisme were in the nature of it no baptisme c then should it without question be renounced as a very idol in deed c. Answ. Belike then he would have us take it for no lye but for a truth that popish baptisme giveth grace and washeth away syn by the work doen. Neyther is it a lye but truth that bread in their Mass is very Christ really properly as he died on the cross To apply Esa. 44. 20. against these things is to hold an errour Wel let my errour continue with me for I trust I shall alwayes hold that they are lyes in the right hand of all that so receive them And as the prophet speaketh of thē that by nature were no Gods so doe I. For neyther is water in Baptisme not wine in the Masse Christs blood naturally neyther can they doe that which onely Christs blood effecteth And how ever there is difference between the idols of false Gods and the idols of the true God yet the scripture calleth them all Divils Deut. 32. 17. 2 Chron. 11. 15. 1 Cor. 10. 20. so I call them all lyes And where he sayth if it were in the nature of it no baptisme he might have knowen that Gods true ordinance of baptisme turned into a lye maketh it a lying baptisme and yet some baptisme it is though not the true Wherof the lye being put away and the truth restored of God unto us there need no other renunciation as before I have proved His other repetitions and questions of the same thing need no further answer Obj. How wil he shew that baptisme is so received as standing in the place of Christ c. seing they are infants usually that receive it there c. Answ. Even as he wil shew against the Anabaptists that baptisme is truly and rightly received in Christian churches where they are infants usually that receive it For as the covenant of Christ is to parents and their seed so the covenant of Antichrist is to parents and their seed even the covenant of destruction that their babes be dashed against the Rock Psal. 137. 9. Esa. 13. 16. The infants of Iewes are Iewes the infants of Turks are Turks the infants of Christians are Christians so the infants of Antichristians are Antichristians Obj. Considering also their profession of Christ and baptising with water in the name of the Father Son and holy Ghost and that this alone is in deed the baptisme of that church the other things being but erroneous opinions and synfull additions c. Answ. We have before considered that the profession of that church is all one with the profession of the Pope who eyther is not Antichrist or else he denyeth both the Father and the Son as the Apostle sayth 1 Joh. 3. 22. how ever in word he confesseth both 2. As they baptise with water in the name of the Father c so they consecrate their Supper or Mass with bread and wine and the words of Christs institution Mat. 26. why doth he not also affirme that their Mass is no idol no lye in the hands and mouthes of them that receive it as their maker and eat their God more profanely then the heathens 3. It is untrue that that alone which he mentioneth is in deed the baptisme of that church in deed it ought to be but so it is not He might as well say their praiers to God are the onely prayers of that church for by divine institution so it should be but it is knowen they pray also to innumerable creatures 4. I grant the other things are but erroneous opinions and synfull additions and he also must grant that all the idolatrie of the heathens condemned in Rom. 1. were but erroneous opinions and synfull additions contrary to the covenant which God had made with them in Noes dayes Gen. 9. 9. 10. 11. c. Were it not for erroneous opinions and synfull additions all men now should be in that perfect estate wherin at first we were created Eccles. 7. 29. 8. That the Romish baptisme is such as the saying of the Apostle is verified in it an idol is nothing in the world 1 Cor. 8. 4. c. Jf so then the baptisme of that church hath no relation to God nor any divine institution representation or signification in it c. Then it ought of necessitie to be rejected c. Answ. If th'Apostles doctrine be true of idols that they are nothing 1 Cor. 8. 4. he ought not to kick against it or me for alleging it To his inference I answer it hath no true relation unto Gods covenant which is not with that Antichristian church but a false pretended relation it hath as their other sacrament of the Mass or supper where also there is a lying relation to Christs sacrifice which they blasphemously renew crucifying dayly the Lord of glorie To his conclusion he hath oft been answered we reject the idol wholly and reteyn onely the truth so farr as God by his word hath sanctified it unto us without eyther grosse Anabaptistry or notorious blasphemie which with open mouth he chargeth us would fray the simple with 9. That water the material thing in popish baptisme is as the gold and silver that is the matter of the idols spoken of Psal. 115. 4. wher as the use of water in baptisme is appointed by the Lord and stil to be reteyned Ioh. 1. 33. c. but the use of gold for idols is forbidden and utterly to be abandoned Exod. 20. 23. Deut. 7. 25. 26. c. Answ. He corrupteth my words I sayd An idol for the matter and workmanship is somthing Psal. 115. 4. but for the relation unto God it is nothing So Popish baptisme as touching the material thing is somwhat the salt water oile are Gods creatures the outward action is the work of the hands of an idolatrous preist and this work remayneth as did the work of the idolaters circumcising in Jsrael c. This he maketh an errour in me which all that have knowledge wil easily see to be trueth But the use of water in baptisme sayth he is appointed by the Lord. True unto the Christian church it is so but the use of water in popish idol baptisme or of bread and wine in the Popish mass was never appointed by the Lord this was the point he should have proved As God sayd to the Iewes bring no more vaine oblations incense is an abomination unto me Esa. 1. 13. so sayth he to the Antichristians make no more vaine baptisings the Masse is an abomination to me Mine opposite
their God and the Chaldee paraphrast as ancient as the Apostles age expoundeth the house of their idols they contradict not one another seing the same thing may be Gods in shew and the divils in deed and trueth for even Satan himself is transformed into an Angel of light 2 Cor. 11. 14. Obj. When the Apostle describeth the mysterie of Antichrists iniquitie would he teach the church that the place of his sitting is the Temple of God if he meant that it were in deed the synagogue of Satan and the temple of Antichrist For that Antichrist should sit in the temple of Antichrist and synagogue of Satan what mysterie is there in it All the world would easily perceive that these agreed very well and most fitly togither But for Antichrist to sit in Gods temple and Christs church this is in deed a mysterie Answ. The mysterie of iniquitie began in the true church but continued not therein alwayes for when it was discerned the church eyther cast it out or soon degenerated into a synagogue of Satan if it accepted Antichrist for God as the Church of Rome doth at this day Which I further manifest thus 1. The Apostle sayth As ye have heard that Antichrist shal come even now are there many Antichrists c. They went out from us but they were not of us for if they had been of us they would no doubt have continued with us but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us Who is a lyer but he that denyeth that Jesus is the Christ he is Antichrist that denyeth the Father and the Son Whosoever denyeth the Son the same hath not the Father 1. Joh. 2. 18. 19. 22. 23. This scripture teacheth us first that all hereticks departing from the faith of Christ are generally Antichrists though they reteyn the name of Christians still as did the hereticks in th'Apostles time 2. That such are gone out from the church and are in deed none of it though they pretend to be the true church as all hereticks have doen. 3. That both teachers and people departed from the faith and church of Christ are comprehended under the name of Antichrists and not the Bishops onely 4. That whosoever is Antichrist especially the great Antichrist he denyeth the Son Christ and consequently God the Father Now let us apply these things to the Bishop and hierarchie of Rome whome mine opposite granteth to be the great Antichrist If the Pope and his hierarchie be Antichrist then are they none of the Apostolik church but gone out of the same but they are Antichrist by my opposites owne confession Therfore they are none of th'Apostolik church The Pope and his hierarchie are both in and of the church of Rome the heads teachers and principall members of it of the same faith religion and worship but they are not in or of the Apostolik christian church as before is proved therfore the church of Rome is not an apostolik Christian church If the church of Rome denyeth both the Father and the Son then is it Antichrist as the Apostle sayth and so no true Christian church But the church of Rome denyeth both the Father and the Son therfore it is no true Christian church If the Pope his hierarchie deny both the Father and the Son then the church of Rome also denyeth them for they beleeve as the Pope and hierarchie beleeveth have one and the same religion with their preists But the Pope and his hierarchie deny both the Father and the Son otherweise they are not the Antichrist as mine opposite sayth they are therefore the Church of Rome also denyeth both the Father and the Son Now seing it is thus how is it possible that it should cōtinue the true Church of Christ otherweise then by lying pretext and ostentation And this is the mysterie of inquitie if men could comprehend it that the Bishops and people of Rome being at first Christs true church departed by degrees from the faith worship of God til they came joyntly to beleeve lyes and to worship creatures idols and divils Rev. ◠30. and became a Beast or Antichristian kingdome yet with two hornes like the Lamb Christ Rev. 13. blaspheming Gods Tabernacle them that dwel in heaven that is the true church they pretend themselves to be the onely true church of Christ and that all other are hereticks they pretend succession even from th Apostles dayes without change of religion and so they sit in the temple of God or for the Temple as if they none but they were the Temple and church of God the Pope being the head of this sinfull corporation of this Beast or kingdome and exalting himself above God Christ whiles yet he calleth himself Christs vicar and the Servant of the servants of God and by strong delusion keepeth his people in beleef of lyes that togither with him they all might be damned who beleeve not the trueth but have pleasure in unrighteousnes as the Apostle sayth 2. Thes. 2. 12. Now where he objecteth what mysterie is there in it that Antichrist should sit in the temple of Antichrist I answer it is a great mysterie in that it is doen by him and his under the name and shew of Christianitie and as the Apostle sayth after the working of Satan with all power and signes and lying wonders and with all deceivablenes of unrighteousnes 2. Thes. 9. 10. And where he further sayth but for Antichrist to sit in Christs church this is in deed a mysterie I answer it is in deed a contrarietie and impossibilitie not a mysterie for no man can serve two masters Mat. 6. 24. of whom a man is overcome of the same is he brought in bondage 2. Pet. 2. 19. to whom men yeild themselves servants to obey his servants they are to whom they obey Rom. 6. 16. Now the church of Rome yeilding unto and obeying Antichrist cannot be the servants of Christ if th' Apostles doctrine be true And after mine opposites manner of reasoning an other man might say seing Christianitie is the mystirie of godlines 1. Tim. 3. 16. as Antichristianitie is the mysterie of iniquitie 2. Thes. 2. 7. Christ must sit in the Temple of Satan as Antichrist sitteth in the temple of God for for Christ to sit in the Temple church of Christ what mysterie is there in it but for Christ to sit in Satans temple and Antichrists church this is in deed a mysterie Were not this think we good reasoning to put darknes for light and light for darknes Christ into Antichrists place and Antichrist into Christs for to finde out a mysterie But they that have their eyes opened to read the mysterie that is not onely in the Pope but on the forehead of the whore of Babylon his church will soon espie this fraud though others are bewitched with her painted face For as Satan can transforme himself into an Angel of light and his ministers