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A27230 A brief discovery of some of the blasphemous and seditious principles and practices of the people called Quakers taken out of their most noted and approved authors, humbly offered to the consideration of the King and both houses of Parliament / by Edward Beckham ... Hen. Meriton ... Lancaster Topcliffe ..., Norfolk. Beckham, Edward, 1637 or 8-1714.; Meriton, Henry, d. 1707.; Topcliffe, Lancaster, 1646 or 7-1720. 1699 (1699) Wing B1652; ESTC R18109 27,538 34

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given to the Priests be given to the Poor And let all the great Houses Abbies Steeple-Houses and Whitehall be for Alms-Houses for all the Blind and Lame to be there ' c. And they are of the same Principles still they tell you so as in the Conclusion you will see it proved from their late Writings Again in their Book stiled These several Papers sent to the Parliament the Twentieth of the Fifth Month 1659. Inscrib'd by above Seven Thousand Quakers there is these Passages p. 63. ' Sell all the Gleab-Lands and the Bells except One in a Town or Two in a City to give Notice of Fire And all the late King's Parks and his Rents and the Abbies and deny your selves of his i. e. King 's Parks Houses and Rents So let them be sold and the Colledges sold For we Declare with our Hands and with our Lives and Estates against the Ministry that take Tythes and the Setters of them up and the first Authors of them and the Laws that Upholds them ' c. And they are the same still they have not Deviated from their Old Principles as they themselves say only they think it Prudent otherwise to word the Matter as afterwards you 'l hear And House of Commons Geo. Fox Junior in his Works Reprinted 1665. p. 87 88. Intitles his Epistle ' A few Plain Words to be Considered by those of the Army or others that would have a Parliament Chosen by the Voices of the People c. Wheren is shewed unto them according to the Scriptures of Truth That a Parliament so Chosen are not like to govern for God or the good of his People Consider these things says he which I Declare unto you which in waiting upon the Lord he by his Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding Opened in me concerning the Chusing of Parliaments by the Voices of the People ' And p. 89. he says ' You are not like to see your desires fulfilled by a Parliament Chosen by the Voices of the People Now if you believe these Scriptures Joh. 15.19 Math. 7.13 Rom. 9.27 then may you see That a Parliament that is Chosen by most Voices are not like to act for God and the good of his People ' And p. 91. ' And likewise the Chusing of Parliament Men according to the Custom of England which is called its Birth-right stands in respect of Persons and not in Equality for the Rich Covetous Oppressing Men who Oppress the Poor they have the only Power to Chuse Law-makers and they will Chuse to be sure such as will uphold them in their Oppression ' And p. 92 93. ' And we see the People have been in great Blindness in contending for Parliaments so Chosen ' Pag. 149. ' Again it is God's proper right to give Laws unto Man Now in this particular also Man have set himself in the Seat of God and so have Dishonoured the one Law-giver by setting up many Law-givers ' Pag. 150. ' Now Mark and Consider these things seeing that the Righteous are fewer in Number than the Unrighteous and that the Law-makers are Chosen by the most Voices and that of the Richest People outwardly how are the Righteous like to be preserved in outward Freedom by the Laws that are so made ' Pag. 159. ' And I must deal plainly with you saith he in the sight of God who hath made me a PROPHET TO THIS NATION ' Again Edw. Burroughs in his Works p. 522. 'A Running to the Powers of the Earth What have you Ministers lost the Lord to be your Strength that you must flee for help to Men Must they make Laws to Establish you and Set you Up Is not this the Whore that Rode upon the Beast and that the Beast Carried ' Again p. 524. to the Parliament thus viz. ' You do but cause people to drink of the Whores Cup and you are but them i. e. Beast which Carry the Whore viz. the False Church And this is plain dealing to tell you the Truth for we are Gathered up into the Life which the Holy Men of God Lived in and are fallen from the World and its Ways and Nature ' p. 50. ' For even the FATHER bears Witness of us and therefore our Witness is True ' Against Judges Justices and Constables News coming up c. Geo. Fox p. 18. ' Dreadful is the Lord and Powerful who is coming in his Power to Execute true Judgment upon all you Judges and to Change all your Laws ye Kings and all you Rulers must down and cease And all you Underling-Officers which have been as the Arms of this great Tree which the Fowls have lodged under All your Branches must be CUT down for you have been all the Fruitless Branches grown on the Fruitless Tree ' Pag. 20. ' Sing all ye Saints and Rejoice Clap your Hands and be Glad for the Lord Jehovah will Reign and the Government shall be taken from you pretended Rulers Judges and Justices Lawyers and Constables all this Tree must be Cut down and Jesus Christ in us will Rule alone So you must be Cut down with the same Power ' p. 19. ' that Cut down the King that Reigned over the Nation ' And in Edw. Bur. Works Printed 1659. and Reprinted in 1672. and Recommended by the same Geo. Fox Fran. Howgil Geo. Whitehead Jos Coale c. p. 501. he saith ' We stand Witnesses against Parliaments Councils Judges Justices who Make or Execute Laws in their Will over the Consciences of Men or Punish for Conscience sake And to such Laws Customs Courts or Arbitrary Usurped Dominion WE cannot yield OUR Obedience ' c. Against Lawyers Again Geo. Fox to the Parliament of the Common-Wealth of England c. saith p. 5. ' Away with Capmen and Coifmen as they are called away with all those Counsellers that will not tell Men the Law without Ten Shillings Twenty Shillings or Thirty Shillings And away with those Lawyers Twenty Shillings Counsellers Thirty Shillings Serjeants Ten-Groats Attorneys ' Against Lords of Manours Again p. 8. ibid. ' Let all those Fines that belong to Lords of Manours be given to Poor People for Lords have enough ' 10. Which Government that they might not Support they Declare against the Use of the Carnal Weapon in 1660. A Declaration from the People of God called Quakers against all Plotters and Fighters c. presented to King Charles II. 1660. ' All Bloody Principles and Practices We as to our own Particulars do utterly Deny with all outward WARS and Strife and Fightings with outward WEAPONS for any end or under any pretence whatsoever And this is our Testimony to the whole World And we do certainly Know and so Testisie to the World that the Spirit of Christ which leads us into all Truth will never move us to Fight and WAR against any Man with outward Weapons either for the Kingdom of Christ nor for the Kingdom of this World ' c. Subscribed by Geo. Fox Sam.
the Quakers that Saints were not to do Duties by or from a Command without but from a Command within and that the word Command in Scripture was not a Command to them till they had a Word within them He Answers ' That is no Command from God to me what he Commands to another neither did any of the Saints which we read of in Scripture act by the Command which was to another not having the Command to themselves And thou or any other who goest to Duty as you call it by imitation from the Letter without which was a Command to others in your own Wills and Time your Sacrifice is not Accepted but is Abomination to the Lord for you go without the moving of the Spirit in your own Wills and Strength which God Hates and which his Wrath is upon ' Agreeable to which William Penn in his Quakerism a new Nick Name c. Printed 1673. p. 71 72. Asserts ' No Command in the Scripture is any further Obliging upon any Man than as he finds a Conviction upon his Conscience otherwise Men should be ingaged without if not against Conviction a thing unreasonable in a Man So that Conviction can only Oblige to Obedience And when any Man is Convinced That what was Commanded another is Required of him then and not till then he is rightly Authorized to perform it ' And also assert That the Scriptures are No Rule A Shield of the Truth written from the Spirit of the Lord by Jam. Parnell Printed 1655. p. 11. ' He that saith the Letter is the Rule and Guide of the People of God is Without feeding upon the Husk and is Ignorant of the True Light ' Edw. Bur. p. 515. tells us ' That the Scriptures are not the Rule and Guide of Faith and Life unto the Saints but the Spirit of God that gave forth the Scriptures ' And further in a Testimony from the Brethren met together at London in the Third Month 1666. to be Communicated to the faithful Friends and Elders in the Countries by them to be read in their several Meetings and kept as a Testimony among them Signed by Rich. Farnsworth Alex. Parker George Whitehead and Eight more who by the Operation of the Spirit of Truth being brought into a Serious Consideration of this present State of the Church of God c. Declare in the Third Section ' If any Difference arise in the Church or amongst them that Profess themselves Members thereof we do Declare and Testifie That the Church with the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ have Power without the Assent of such as Dissent from their Doctrines and Practices to Hear and Determine the same If any pretend to be of us and in Case of Controversie will not admit to be Tried by the Church of Christ Jesus nor submit to the Judgment given by the Spirit of Truth in the Elders and Members of the same but kick against their Judgment as only the Judgment of Man it being Manifested according to Truth and Consistent with the Doctrine of such Good Antient Friends as have been and are Sound in the Faith agreeable to the Witness of God in his People then we do Testifie in the Name of the Lord if that Judgment so given be Risen against and Denied by the Party Condemned then he or she ought to be Rejected as having Erred from the Truth and persisting therein Presumptuously are joined in one with Heathens and Insidels ' And pursuant to which Mr. Keith was Proceeded against in Pensylvania as guilty of Heresie not from the Scriptures as he desired but from Friends Books and was told by Sam. Jennings a great Teacher and Justice of Peace there in the Publick Meeting ' We are not to prove it from Scripture but from Friends Books for the Question between us and G. K. is not who is the best Christian but the best Quaker ' And accordingly they produced instead of Scripture a Citation out of William Penn's Christian Quaker to prove him a Heretick See G. K's Heresie and Hatred Printed at Philadelphia 1693. 6. They assert that Christ's Flesh is a Figure Saul's Errand to Damascus p. 14. The Question was put to Geo. Fox Whether Christ in the Flesh be a Figure or not and if a Figure How and in What To which he Answers Christ is the Substance of all Figures and his Flesh is a Figure And in Truth defending the Quakers by G. Whitehead c. p. 20. It is said expresly That Christ's coming in the Flesh is but a Figure And that Christ was Crucified within us and any other was Anti-Christ G. F. Gr. Myst p. 206. ' The Apostles Preached Christ that was Crucified within and not another him that was Raised up from the Dead was Risen that Lord Jesus Christ within It was he that was manifest in the Saints that was and is not another FOR THE OTHER IS THE ANTI-CHRIST Now I say if there be any other Christ but HE THAT WAS CRUCIFIED WITHIN HE IS THE FALSE CHRIST And he that hath not this Christ that was Risen and Crucified within is a Reprobate the Devils and Reprobates may make a talk of him without ' 7. They Vilifie and Deny the Sacraments viz. Baptism by Water and the Lord's Supper by Bread and Wine G. F. News coming up c. p. 14. ' Your Baptism is Carnal And their Sacrament as they call it is Carnal And their Communion is Carnal a little Bread and Wine ' And p. 34. 'A Voice and a Word to all you Deceivers who deceive the People and Blasphemers who utter forth your Blasphemy and Hypocrisie that tell People of a Sacrament and tell them it is the Ordinance of God Blush Blush and Tremble before the Almighty for Dreadful is he that will pour forth his Vengeance upon you ' Smith's Primer Printed 1668. p. 6. ' I would know Father saith the Child how it is concerning those things called Ordinances as Baptism and Bread and Wine which are much used in their Worship The Father Answers Why Child as to those things they arose from the Pope's Invention who hath had Power in the Night of Apostacy And hath set up his Devices which are yet continued in England tho' he seeming'y is denied And the whole practice of those things as they use them had their INSTITUTION BY THE POPE and were never so Ordain'd of Christ ' William Penn's Reason against Railing Printed 1673. p. 108 109. ' I affirm by that one Scripture Hebr. 9.10 that Circumcision is as much in force as Water-Baptism and the Paschal-Lamb as Bread and wine they were both Shadows and both Elementary and Perishable For a Continuance of them had been a Judaizing of the Spiritual Evangelical Worship the Gospel would have been a State of Figures Types and Shadows And we can Testifie from the same Spirit by which Paul renounced Circumcision that they are to be rejected as not now required Neither have they since the False Church Espoused
that thy dark mind stumbleth at is that some have said That they that have the Spirit of God are Equal with God ' Whereunto he Replies ' He that is joined to the Lord is one Spirit there is Unity and the Unity stands in Equality it self When the Son is revealed and speaks the Father speaks in him and dwells in him and he in the Father in that which is Equal in Equality it self there is Equality in Nature tho' not in Stature ' 3. That they Assert themselves to be Infallible G. F. Gr. Myst p. 107. He saith speaking of the Priest ' The Holiest Man that is is not able to give an Infallible Character of another Man ' To which he Answers ' Hast not thou in this discovered thy self to be no Minister of Christ or of the Spirit who cannot give an Infallible Character of another Man How canst thou Minister to his Condition ' Pag. 96. ' And thou not being Infallible thou art not in the Spirit and so art not a Minister of Christ and art not able to judge of Powers that is not Infallible nor Magistrates nor Kingdoms nor Churches ' Pag. 33. ' And are they Ministers of Christ that are Fallible ' Edw. Burr p. 862. ' Such i. e. Hereticks are Infallibly known and discerned by the Spirit of God in the True Church of Christ and by every Member of the same ' That they are Perfect as God Geo. F. Gr. Myst p. 282. Whereas Mr. Cawdry said ' Surely they cannot be Perfect here or hereafter in Equality but only in Quality ' Fox Answers ' Christ makes no distinction in his Words but saith Be ye Perfect even as your Heavenly Father is And as he is so are we And that which is Perfect as he is Perfect is in Equality with the same thing which is of God and from God ' That they are without Sin G. F. Myst p. 101. saith ' It is the Doctrine of Devils that Preacheth That Men shall have Sin and be in a WARFARE so long as they be on Earth ' Pag. 231. ' All who come to Christ the Second Adam they come to Perfection and all who attain to him they attain to Perfection in the Life of God out of the First Adam ' Pag. 271. ' For who are Sanctified have perfect Unity perfect Knowledge perfect Holiness ' And William Penn in his Truth Exalted Reprinted 1671 p. 9. laughs at the Church of England-Men for Confessing themselves Sinners or Praying to God for Mercy ' Alas poor Souls saith he are not you at Have Mercy upon us miserable Sinners there is no Health in us from Seven to Seventy ' And Edw. Burr p. 33. saith ' That God doth not accept any where there is any Failing All who do not fulfil the Law and Answer every Demand of Justice ' 4. That they have Immediate Revelation Equal with the Prophets and Aposiles In Truth defending the Quakers written from the Spirit of Truth in George Whitehead and George Fox Junior Printed 1659. p. 7. The Question being put ' Whether the Quakers did esteem their Speakings to be of as great Authority as any Chapter in the Bible ' 'T is Answer'd ' That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and GREATER ' G. F. Gr. Myst p. 242. tells us that the Priest saith ' That the Apostles were Eye-Witnesses and understood by Immediate Revelation from God Inspired with the Gift of the Spirit more than any Man could hope for since ' And saith ' They do not pretend any such Gift nor depend upon such any Immediate Miraculous Revelation from Heaven ' To which G. F. answers ' Then all may see now in this what ye have received that hath been from Man which is not from Heaven immediate nor the Gifts of the Spirit nor received the Gospel by the same means the Apostles did who were not the Eye-Witnesses as the Apostles were Neither have ye attained to the same Knowledge and Understanding as the Apostles did nor received it from Heaven Now let all People question Whether it is the same Gospel which is not received from Heaven nor Immediately nor by Revelation for the Gospel is Immediate which is the Power of God Rom. 1. They i. e. Quakers are in the same Power Understanding Knowledge and Immediate Revelation from Heaven that the Apostles were in ' Geo. Fox further tells us p. 213. that the Priest says ' Thou dost not speak in that Degree of the Holy Ghost as the Prophets and Apostles did that spoke forth Scriptures ' To which he Answers ' Then thou must take heed of Exalting thy self above thy measure for thou canst not know Scripture but by the same Degree of the Spirit the Prophets and Apostles had ' 5. They Vilifie and Speak Contemptuously of the Scriptures News coming up out of the North written from the Mouth of the Lord from one who is Naked and stands Naked before the Lord Cloathed with Righteousness whose Name is not known in the World risen up out of the North which was Prophesied of but now it is fulfilled CALLED G. F. Printed 1655. p. 14. ' Your Original is Carnal Hebrew Greek and Latin and your Word is Carnal the Letter and the Light is Carnal the Letter Their Original is but Dust which is but the Letter which is Death And their GOSPEL IS BUT DUST MATTHEW MARK LVKE and JOHN which is the Letter ' Tho. Lawson in his Brief Discovery of a Threefold Estate of Antichrist Printed 1653. written from the Spirit of the Lord p. 9. Calls the Ministers ' Babylon's Merchants selling Beastly Wares for a large Price the LETTER which is DUST and DEATH ' Saul's Errand to Damascus Printed 1654. p. 7. It was Objected to the Quakers that they had said Whoever took a place of Scripture and made a Sermon of it or from it was a Conjurer and his Preaching was Conjuration To which G. Fox Answered ' All that do Study to Raise a Living Thing out of a Dead to Raise the Spirit out of the Letter are Conjurers and draw Points and Reasons and so do speak a Divination of their own Brain they are Conjurers and Diviners and their Teaching is from Conjuration which is not Spoken from the Mouth of the Lord. ' Truths Defence given forth by the Light and Power of God appearing in G. Fox and Rich. Hubberthorn Printed 1653. p. 101. It is DANGEROVS to read viz. the the Scriptures which the Prophets Christ and the Apostles spoke forth freely And p. 2. speaking of some of their Queries which were lookt upon as frivolous and should have been Burnt They said You might as well have Condemned the SCRIPTVRES to the FIRE And p. 104. they give their reason why saying Our giving forth Papers or Printed Books is from the Immediate Eternal Spirit of God Edw. Burr p. 47. of his Works having this Charged upon him as the Principle of
just that any should Charge them Condemn and Consure them 2 dly They exhort To do to others as they would that others should do to them 3 dly p. 5. We say they pray for all Men for Kings and all that are in Authority 4 thly p. 7. We say the Quakers have and always had a high Value for the Scriptures above all other Book● 5 thly p. 1. They i. e. Clergy Incense those in Authority against this Innocent People i. e. Quakers that the Monster of Persecution might be again raised to Suppress them c. Ans As to the First Would the Clergy account it just to Charge and Condemn them c. Just or unjust they are both Charged and Condemned at the Quakers Bar as above quoted yea and in Smith's Works p. 157 161. the Quakers Dialogu'd the Bishops and summon'd all Ecclesiastical Courts and Officers and not only by their Authority Condemn them but call the Bishops Monsters and into the Bargain say The Book of Common-Prayer is conceived by an Adulterous Womb and that it receives its Strength from the Pope's Loins And 2 dly That therein you Quakers do not do as you would be done by and therein gross Hypocrites and Dissemblers with God and Man But 3 dly your Pretence to pray for all Men for Kings c. This is so False and Falacious that I challenge the whole World to produce one Instance of your praying for King William or any King save once at a Meeting at Milden-Hall where Sam. Cater prayed for the late K. J. II. and how should you be found in that Practice since all Kings with you are but Spiritual Egyptians by your Ancient Testimony from which you have not deviated in one Point But your Principles the same they ever were tho' as Whitehead says You can now word the Matter otherwise 4thly That you value the Scriptures above any Books in the World This is false with a witness when you in Print tell us We may as well burn the Bible as your Writings see p. 9. herein calling the Scriptures Dust Death Serpents Meat Beastly Ware and that Preaching out of them is Conjuration And G. Whitehead tells us in his Book Truth defending the Quakers c. p. 7. That what is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of greater Authority than the Bible And many of your Books nay even that are said to be given forth from the Spirit of Truth the Holy Ghost and spoken from the Mouth of the Lord. How then do you value the Bible above all Books in the World But as Solomon said Prov. 26.3 A Whip for the Horse a Bridle for the Ass and a Rod for the Fools Back and so you must give me leave to whip this John Feild for his deep Hypocrisie and Deceit and I wish it may do him Good What! to pretend that the Quak●rs value the Bible above all Books then consequently above their own This is such a Lie that it stabs it self when you exalt and value your own as of greater Authority and are commanded by your Teachers to read them in your Meetings and never read a Chapter of the Old and New Testament in your Religious Meetings if such I may call them since you were a People neither is it agreeable to your Ancient Testimony Nay I am perswaded that should the Government think fit for a Proof of your Sincerity herein to injoin you to read a Chapter of the Bible at the beginning of your Meeting I mean by such of your Teachers as can read a Chapter you would be so far from submitting to Authority that they 'd first go to Jayl and then call it Persecution and record it to Posterity But would it therefore ever the more be Persecution I trow not since it was the Practice of Jewish as well as the Christian Church in all Ages of the World But 5 thly and lastly That the Petitioners would Incense these in Authority to raise that Monster Persecution upon you Now tho' I do profess my self a Member of the Church of England I have often and do now again tell you that I am against Persecution and will add that Persecution for the Name of Jesus or for Righteousness sake is a Badge of a false Church of which your Schism in Pensilvania has given a Demonstration And had you Power in your Hand which God grant you may not I doubt not but we should soon feel your little Finger as heavy as ever you felt a Parliaments Loins Witness your Indicting me for Printing unlicenced your own frequent Practice at that time and your Persecuting of G. Keith c. in Pensilvania but I hope all Suffering is not Persecution Shall Men fire House and poyson Rivers and not be Controuled Limited nay Punished if they will follow their own Light blind Zeal and Imaginations In like manner such as poyson the Streams of the Christian Religion subvert the Faith undermine Christianity broach and maintain Heretical Opinions and Damnable Errors even denying the Lord that bought them as you have in Print which I take to be a Fundamental Error and by me proved upon you I hope then it will not be raising Persecution to have you examined about these things which is the main thing you fear whilst you make the World believe you fear Persecution Thus referring J●… F●ild to my former Books I subscribe my self the Quakers Friend tho' I tell them the Truth Francis Bugg Feb. 18. 1698. FINIS