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A96140	Mr. Edwards pen no slander: or, The Gangræna once more searched: which being found very full of corrupt matter, that part of his foul mouth is seringed, and washed with a moderate answer, given by Tho: Web, to that part of his book, wherein Mr. Edwards chargeth him for delivering severall Antinomian doctrines. In which answer is proved, that many things wherewith Mr. Edwards chargeth him, is false. Also, that Mr. Edwards charging any in such a nature is contrary to rule, and against all examples in Scripture, and tends unto division in these distracting times. / By Thomas Webbe.	Webbe, Thomas.	1646 (1646)	Wing W1206; Thomason E337_34; ESTC R200835	14,930	16

Sonne and God the Holy Ghost for then there were three Gods and it was demanded of me whether I spake this as my judgement or onely for Argument sake But I was silent It 's my delight to converse with Zions lovers and indeed many I did converse withall while I was at Colchester but not to any of them did I so deliver my self so that I am charged falsly nor indeed is it or ever was it my judgement but I truly believe God the Father God the Sonne and God the Holy Ghost and yet but one taking the said God that is the father to be both Sonne and Holy Ghost and so but one God though God the Father God the Sonne and God the Holy Ghost a mysterie which at this time is not my work to unfold A fourth Charge is how that I should say That I had other points to speak of to them but there was a Wolf crept in among the Fold indeed Mr. Edwards was then at Colchester but at that time I knew it not nor did I use such an expression nor had I my thoughts of him at that time but a guilty conscience is a great matter insomuch as what it speaks the man thinks that all knows it even as Thieves take Trees for men but if I had spoke those words what would it afford him if he were to sell it at the best rate Sure I am that if I had I had but spoke the truth for he would have had me complained of but he met with few such spirits as himself God be thanked for it for the Shepheard Christ will not suffer his sheep to be a prey to the Wolf persecution therefore to Him be honour and glory in the Church Now is it not a sad thing that Mr. Edwards should receive a sword to fight against the anointed of the Lord and not know wether he received it from the hand of truth and with the same sword cause the anointed to bleed pricking them with it as if it were the sword of the Spirit received by him at the hands of Truth when indeed and in truth it s neither but a Jewish Spear The infirmities of the Saints is not that sword by which the Spirit fights no it 's the Word of God and prayer that sword alone which Gospell Ministers should fight withall against the Saints infirmities Ephes 6.17 Nor is any other sword given by the hand of Truth to Gospell Ministers save onely the Word of God Matth. 10.10 and Chapt. 28. Ephes 6.17 With which swords they are to fight against not the Saints neither but their infirmities was it not a Jewish Spear wherewith the Jews fought against Christ even his infirmities but they found none but such as they call'd infirmities Even so how Jewishly do men fight against the Kings Sonnes when they take their infirmities nay such as they call infirmities to fight against them withall Truly my heart bleeds within me to consider of it and in beholding of the Kings Sonnes lying some beaten some wounded and some slain by the Kings servants well may we call for mourning indeed when that Ministers the Kings servants shall kill and slay the Saints the Kings Sonnes with a Spear Oh what heart cannot but break to see this Had it been an infirmity in me to have said I have many things to repeat of but a Wolf is crept in among the fold when Christ himself gives it as a caution to his Disciples Matth. 10.16,17 Behold I send you forth as Sheep amongst Wolves be ye therefore as wise as Serpents and innocent as Doves Beware of men for they will deliver you up to Councels and they will scourge you in their Synagogues c. Nay and it was the Apostle Paul still to beware of such amongst them that are perfect declare I the things of God in a misterie 1 Cor. 2.6 And see how he withstood the false Brethren that would have brought Paul in bondage in the use of his liberty Gal. 2.3 So truly it 's both Mr. Edward's duty and mine to beware of Wolves But I praise God I did not use such an expression not because the expression is not good but because those people that credit all for Gospell which Mr. Edwards writes may see the contrary and so be humbled for it For truly to my grief I heat many of all sorts Presbyterian as well as others cry out of his Book saying That where there is one true tale there be twenty and ten false ones and the parties as many as I have spoken with who are therein mentioned are sad to think that he should be so farre blinded as to be lead to speak evill of those who cordially love the truth and desire to love him as themselves A fifth Charge is How that upon November last I was talking with a Citizen and told him that the golden Calf the Scriptures was faln and I hope that all would be Anabaptists and so be of my judgement It 's strange and unto me a contradiction that I should so speak to a namelesse Citizen and yet my self an earnest seeker after the knowledge of the same and desire to walk in every thing according to the Scripture Nay further that I should hope they would be all Anabaptists when as they fetch no ground for their practice out of any thing but Scripture Now that I should be a well-willer to these and yet deny Scripture is a meer contradiction And truly I speak the truth I do with an unfeigned detestation utterly detest against it or any opinion that shall lead me to the questioning of the truth of Scripture in the least measure and am so farre from denying of it as that when ever God shall be pleased to call me to it I am willing to lay down my life for the truth of it In his sixth Charge Mr. Edwards also speaks of my being in Kent Where as he saith I vented Antinomian Doctrines but he doth not tell the particulars of it so that I cannot give him a particular answer onely this if to teach Faith and Repentance be Antinomianisme then I taught it But he writes how that in the Town of Milton in Kent I taught for the Minister thereof and in my second and third Sermon delivered strange Antinomian doctrines so that a 150. of the people would not hear me and that there was two complaints made to the Justices against me whereupon they would not let me live in the County also that I should say it were better for a man to sit and be drunk in an Ale-house then to be compelled to go to Church against his conscience Truly I am by Mr. Edwards so ingaged to appeare in publike as that I cannot appeare but that will appeare with me which I know by some will not be well accepted of and truly its much against my nature to err any otherwise then to bury all the infirmities of the infirmist but seeing I must put penn to paper I receive this charge

can even the worlds reading and spelling out of Christ in our bookes when it may not in his Mr. Edwards in his booke writes that I have been in Essex Suffolk and Kent where I have vented Antinomian doctrines its true I have been in these three Counties but for venting Antinomian doctrins that I am ignorant of but I humbly desire Mr. Edwards that if he writes againe he would be willing to explaine what he meanes by Antinomianisme and where my doctrine was such for Suffolk he names not the particulars of my doctrine it may be it s because he knowes them not or if he doth know it s because it was against covetuousnesse but it seems by the story that what doctrine soever it were it s called by him Antinomianisme well but if to set up Christ and to beat downe covetuousnesse be so I did do it and I hope God will still carry me forth so to do and the Scripture I there spake from was Act. 5.11 and if there be man or woman that can charge me with delivering Antinomians doctrins I in a brotherly manner desire to be informed And he saith further that I would have taught in publike if the Minister had not hindred me surely his informer is fe'd well which makes him to informe him any thing it s no matter whether they be true or false any thing to please children for while I was in Suffolk which was not a week I taught foure tymes twice on the Lords day and twice the Wednesday following which was the fast day and not once in private the Townes name is Stocke neere Clare in Suffolk nor was I hindred by any Minister as he writes nor was there any one Minister in the Countie that was moved to let me teach and the Towne wherein I was was then destitute of a Minister For Essex he saith I taught in one Mr. Sparrowes house of Colchester against all baptism truly severall times I did speak in the said house and being occasioned through the dispute of some honest people that are under baptism touching the same and I being engaged in the same dispute did deliver my selfe as followeth First viz. that the Scripture puts a difference between the baptism of John and the baptism of Christ Johns being of water and Christs being of the Holy Ghost according as is witnessed by these insuing Scriptures Math 3.11 Secondly that Johns baptism which was water did end at the comming of Christ as John 3.30 and that because it manifested a Christ to come unto Jsrael who being already come is ceased Iohn 1.31 which I having premised I gave out my thoughts that there must be a second institution of baptism with water or else it is not of that weight as many of our friends take it to be which institution I read not of in any part of the New Testament I meane that CHRIST in his person did not institute the same as I reade of And in Matth. Chapt. the 28. where my friends conceive that CHRIST did institute that Ordinance of water which they practice I conceive it may as well be applied to any other Baptisme as that of the holy Ghost as to water the Text not naming of water yet notwithstanding I did not then nor do I now deny the practice of it onely as I said then so I say now by way of exhortation desiring those my friends not to make such a division about it knowing that neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth any thing save onely the Baptisme of the holy Spirit which is the New-creature intreating of them to look more after the said baptisme and then would our divisions about the former cease and we being baptized by one Spirit into one Body should sweetly live in and to one another as members of one body Now those my friends that were then present could not give me satisfaction in proving Baptisme with water to be instituted by Christ or in any part of the New Testament was given forth by him while personally upon earth to his Apostles And Paul saith He was not sent to Baptize but to preach 1 Cor. 1.17 But if Mr. Edwards will be pleased to appear in the proving of it I shall much praise God for it and shall acknowledge him to be my Father in Christ A second thing which Mr. Edwards writes I delivered in the said house is That a Saint may say he is equall with Christ and count it no robbery I could wish with all my heart that he would if it had been an errour have done God so much service as to have disproved it I was speaking out of Joh. 7.22 the words are there The glory which thou gavest me I have given them that they may be one even as thou Father and I am one From these words after some time spent in shewing what this glory was in the generall I came to the particulars or drawing of it out in branches and the first was Gods love the same unto the Saints as unto Christ which I proved by many reasons which now I shall not name but there being amongst many Scriptures one very pertinent to the thing I named it which is Vers 23. Thou hast loved them as thou hast loved me Christ sets forth the Fathers love to the Saints by the Fathers love to him as thou hast loved me I opened this word as wherein lieth much which is not now my businesse onely I humbly intreat Mr. Edwards that if he judge it to be an errour that he would prove it so to be for he leaving a thing neither proving nor yet disproving of it to be a truth makes me with many think that he believes it to be a truth but would not have the Saints to know of it or else because the world not being to judge of such things but is ready to speak evill of dignities even of what they know not he presents it them that so I might become the more odious and vile in their sight and truly if it be an errour as I desire him to prove I shall leave it reioycing in the Lord for his love in taking me off from it But blame me not if I still remain in the same judgement having as I conceive the Word of God to be my rule provided I meet with a fair candid interpretation of my words as Rom. 8. Eph. 1.3 1 Joh. 4.17 But if God by any shall give me forth an understanding of these Scriptures which is contrary to what I bring them for I am one who am not willing to withstand truth but desire to be overcome by truth in every thing though it come but from the hands of the poorest creature under heaven whose Scholler I am ready to be when ever God shall teach me any thing by him A third thing which Mr. Edwards charges me withall is how that I being talking with an honest Christian in Colchester should use this expression That it was not lawfull to say God the Father God the