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A88166 A copie of a letter, written by John Lilburne Leut. Collonell. To Mr. William Prinne Esq. (Upon the coming out of his last booke, intituled Truth triumphing over falshood, antiquity over novelty) in which he laies down five propositions, which he desires to discusse with the said Mr. Prinne. Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657. 1645 (1645) Wing L2092; Thomason E24_22; ESTC R21507 5,103 7

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A COPIE OF A LETTER Written by John Lilburne Leut. Collonell To Mr. William Prinne Esq UPON THE COMING OUT OF HIS LAST BOOKE INtituled Truth triumphing over Falslhood Antiquity over Novelty In which he laies down five Propositions which he desires to discusse with the said Mr. Prinne Sir YOU and I have both been Sufferers by the hands of the Prelates the comnon and open Enemies of Christ● Kingdome and the eyes of the people of God are therefore the more upon us and are subject with lesse jealousie to receive those things that come from us for truth not immitating the noble Bereans who dayly searched the Scripture to see whether those things they heard were according thereunto or no Acts 17.11 the Law and the Testimony of Christ being the str●ight Rule by which we are to walke espeacially in matters of worship and whosoever he be that practices and speakes not according to this Rule it is because there is no light of truth in him Esa 8.20 I have seen some of your late writings which a little diving into I have found them full of bitter and unsavoury Language against the poore Saints of God and the unspotted wais of Jesus Christ and finding your Confidence very great but your Arguments very weake and uns●und having received a Talent from the Lord I conceived my selfe bound in Conscience to imploy it and lay it out for my Ma●ers best advantage and I was determined some weekes since to have writ you a few lines in a publique way and to have told you you erre not knowing the Scriptures Math. 22.29 but being that you and the Blacke-Coate in the Synod have not dealt fairly with your Antagonists in stopping the Presse against us while things are in debate yea robbing us of our Liberty as we are Subjects in time of freedome when the Parliament is sitting who are sufficiently able to punish that man whatsoever he be that shall abuse his penne So that whill we are with the hazard of our dearest lives fighting for the Subjects Liberty we are brought into Egiptian bonds in this and other particulars by the Blacke-Coates who I am affraid will prove more cruell Task-masters then their dear fathers the Bishops who Cowardly sit at home in my apprehension for no other end but to breed faction and division amongst the well affected to the Parliament promoting thereby their owne interest which is Lazines Pride Covetousnes and Domination endevouring to lay lower then the dust a generation of men whom they falsely call Sectaryes that have in the uprightnesse of their hearts without Syodianlike ends ventred all they have in the world for the good of the Parliament and the Common-wealth of England and who may bid defiance to all their Adversaries that brand them with unfaithfulnes so that by mean● of which I haue not been able that way yet to accomplish my earnest desire and truly it argues no manhood nor valour in you nor the Blacke-Coates by force to throw us downe and ty our hands then to fall upon us to beat and buffet us for if you had not beene men that had been affraid of your cause you would have been willing to have fought and contended with us upon even ground and equall termes namely that the Presse might be as open for us as for you and as it was at the beginning of this Parliament which I conceive the Parliament did of purpose that so the freeborne English Subjects might enjoy their Liberty and Priviledge which the Bishops had learned of the Spanish Inquisition to rob them of by looking it up under the Key of an Imrpimatur in whose tyrannicall steps the Synod treades so that you and they thinke you may raile at us own privilegio and ranke us amongst the worst and basest of men as rooters up of Parliaments and disturbers of States and Common welthes and so thinke to carry it away without controule but it may be you will be mistaken for though wee cannot print so fast as you we can speake and lay downe as strong Arguments for our selves as you can for your selves and therefore being desirous to try a fall with you though one of your freinds not long since told me there was as great disproportion betwixt you and me to write upon controverting the things of God as there is betwixt a tall Ceder and a litle shrub unto which I replyed goe you and tell the tall Ceder the litle Shrub will have about with him And therefore that I may be as good as my word I send you these ensuing Propositions upon which I will dispute with you hand to hand before any Auditory in and about the City of London when and where you will chuse giving me foure or five dayes warning before hand First That the Ordinances Lawes Rights and Ceremonies of the Church of the Jewes were types and figures which were only to last and endure till the coming of Christ which he by his death did abolish Gen. 49.10 John 19.30 Acts 15.24.29 21.21 28. Heb. 7.11 12. 10.1 and he himselfe with his Institutions in the New Testament are the Antitypes of them Acts 3.22 Heb. 1.8 6.20 7.17.18.19 8.1 2.6 9.11.12 Secondly That Jesus Christ being appoynted by God his Father to be Mediatour hath a Kingdome given unto him Dan. 2.13.14 Mat. 2.2 28.18 Luke 1.32.33 Heb. 1.8 which he hath erected and set vp in the world amongst his Saints where visibly and spiritually he governeth ruleth and dwelleth Psal 2.6.22.27.28 and 46.4 and 48.1 c. 132.13 14. Esa 6.9 7. 33.23 and according to that trust the Father hath reposed in him Acts 3.22.23 he hath been faithfull to every thing requred of him Heb. 3.25 compared with Exod. 39.43 and unto this his visible Kingdome by his last Will and Testament he hath bequeathed perfect and compleate Lawes which are unalterable and unchangable in all times ages and places by any of the sonnes of men Acts 1.3 2 Thes 2.15 1 Tim. 6.13.14.20 2 Tim 3.15.16.17 Heb. 10.28.29 12 25. Thirdly that the matter forme Lawes Worship Ordinances and Administrations of this Kingdome are not carnall nor of this world but all and every one of them spirituall John 4.22.23 18.36 Act. 1.15 ● 41.47 11.23.24 Rom. 1.7 1 Cor. 1.2 ch 5 2 Cor. 2.6.7.8 Fourthly that no Parliament Councell Synod Emperor King nor Majestrate hath any spirituall Authority or jurisdiction over this Kingdome or the Subjects thereof Mat. 20.25.27 1 Cor. 4.5 Ephes 1.21.22 23. and 5.24.25 Col. 4.17 1 Pet. 6.5.3 Rev. 17.17 Fiftly that to persecute for conscience is not of nor from God but of and from the Divell and Antichrist Esa 2.3.4 11.6 7 9. Micah 4.2.3 Luke 9.54.55 2 Cor. 10.4 1 Tim. 1.20 Rev. 13.2.4.15 16.17 Sir In your last Booke that you put out you spend a great deale of paines in citing old rusty Authours to prove that Kings Councels Synods and States have for so many hundred yeares