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A12677 Nevves from Spayne and Holland conteyning. An information of Inglish affayres in Spayne vvith a conferrence made thereuppon in Amsterdame of Holland. VVritten by a gentleman trauelour borne in the lovv countryes, and brought vp from a child in Ingland, vnto a gentleman his friend and oste in London.; Newes from Spayne and Holland. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.; Walpole, Henry, 1558-1595. aut 1593 (1593) STC 22994; ESTC S102266 41,764 84

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religion by which occasion also I tould them vvhat I had seene and hard in Spayne and read vnto them the former letter narrarion vvhich I had made redy to seale vp send avvay presently vnto you by the post but aftervvardes hearing diuers politique and important discourses as to me they semed vvhich some of these men made vppon this narration of myne and some considerations also of state as they termed them vvorthy the noting thought good to stay the letter by me for some dayes to the end I might send you also thervvith the principal pointes vvhich I hard debated and so now I doe The chiefe subiect or argnment of al their speech for diuers dayes meeting at an ordinary table vvas vvhether the present gouerment of Inglish affayres setting a side al regard of partiality to religion vvere in it selfe and according to reason experience and law of pollicy to be accounted vvise and prudent and consequently vvhether such as chiefly managed the same and namely the lord Burley were in truth a vvise má or no in vvhich particuler though some of the company for affection to his religion did for a tyme stand much in his defence yet so many were the argumēts of the other side as in the end they semed greatly to yeild to vvish nothing so much as that the said lord had bin present but for one houre if it had bin possible or some other that vvere priuy to his councelles to yeild reason of diuers points there called in question vvhich semed scarse defensable not only for lack of iustice or cōscience for that therof they said they vvould take no regard but that euen in nature of humane vvisdome and pollycy set downe by Machauel him selfe or by any other of lesse conscience then he they seemed erronions and of thes are such as hereafter do ensue First some of them said though not al that supposing that nether the Queene nor Sir William Cecil at the death of Queene Mary had any great repugnance of conscience to follovv and continew on the religion then setled in the realme as both of them but especially Sir Williā Cecil had oftentymes protested euer shewed by deedes during that reigne it semed a great ouersight in reason of state to make so vniuersal a change of religion vvhich hath bin the cause of al difficulties and daungers since seing that vvithout this change the Queene and he might haue brought about vvith much more security vvhatsoeuer they pretended by this other meanes and hereuppon vvere brought agayne into consideratiō al those reasons and arguments of state vvhich at that tyme Sir William Cecil M. Bacon did or could lay before the Queene to moue her to this change against both her owne inclination and the opinious of the rest of her principal councellors vvhich reasons concerning especially as is supposed and knowne her Maiesties affayres vvith the pope about her fathers mariage and her legitimation vvere founde by euery mans censure here present to be but playne illusions for that much easier should her Maiesty haue bin able to compound those affayres vvith the pope if she had continewed in his religion then by breaking from him and for all other temporal matters both for her owne person the realme they had proceded no doubt most prosperously and neuer come into thes brakes breaches vvherin now the vvhole world seeth them to be And as for M. Cecil and Bacons owne particuler aduancements vvhich is persupposed vvere principally respected in this persuasion there vvould not haue wanted occasions enough to furder the same also in a catholique estate as vve see by so many aduaunced set vp by catholique Kinges of our country in former ages and the two late minions Ioyous and Pernon exalted in our dayes to so great dignityes by the last King of fiance And Rigouez of a page made a Prince and two of his sonnes Dukes vvith diuers others to like preferments aduanced by the king of Spayne that novvis that vvith much lesse enuy hatred and abhomination and vvith much more security of Continuance to their families then the greatnes of Cecil and Bacō is like to finde say these men that vvas procured by so great a conunlsion of the vvhole common vvealth and therfore in this first poynte and entrance to al the rest they are thought to haue byn neyther vvise nor lucky as one day their posterity vvil testify to the world this is the first point that was discoursed of The second ensewing on this first vvas that supposing that change of religion had byn the best and surest vvay for those intents that vvere designed to vvitt of her Maiesties state and thes mens preferments yet sayd most of this our conference it had bin a matter of farr more wisdome and pollicy seing pollicy vvas their foundation to haue made this change to some other religiō receaued in the vvorld abroad and therby to haue ioyned vvith some other party or to the communion of some other people or prince when they brake from that of the Catholique so strong and general ouer al Christendome rather then to set vp a party alone agreeing vvith no other vvhat soeuer As for example if they had councelled her Maiesty to admitt Luthers doctrine and religion as it lyeth and is practised by the followers therof they had consequently ioyned vvith some Princes of Germany as nam ly vvith the Duke of Saxony King of Denmarck and others that make profession of that religion Or if they had persuaded her grace to haue imbraced the religion of Caluin plainly and intirely as he taught and exercised thesame then had they entred therby into communion and frenship vvith Geneua and diuers others states of Swizerland as also vvith the Princes of the religion called the reformed in France Flanders and Scotland and by thes meanes at least had they gayned some new party to be assured to our realme by this band and vnion of religiō which is the strongest and most durable of al other But novv for them to put downe the old state of religion that was so vniuersal and so vvel backed and in place therof to put vp a nevv of their owne only deuise that hath no stay or trusty frend at al out of your owne realme for that it agreeth vvith no state people natiō or common vvealth christian besides your selues vvas such a peece of work say thes men as a man may rather wonder at the boldnes of the deuisers then any way commend their iudgments considering the incōueniences that dayly do ensew therof and must doe euery day more and more and is impossible in mans reason that it can continew And albeit in Ingland simple people are often told and many do beleue that al new religions sprong vp in thes dayes both in Germany france Scotland flaunders at home if they be against the Catholiques and namely those of Lutherās Caluinistes and protestants are but one religion
reason or argument may be hard to the contrary so no maruaile though you remaine still with your owne perswasions And so much by this occasion against you good Sir and novv to the course of my narration againe From the porte of S. Maries I vvent to Siuil agaynst Christmas and in the vvay I passed by S. Lucars vvher I founde the Inglish Church of S. George appartayning in tymes past vnto the Inglish marchantes vvhich is an other poynte also vvher of you desired to be informed deliuered vp into the handes of Inglish Seminary priests together vvith all the houses groundes and other emoluments belonging therunto and it seemeth that the place hath gotten much by this chainge for that the same church which I knevv some yeares ago while it was in your marchāts handes much in decay is now very vvel repaired and kept in good order and fayre habitation is in buylding about it vvhich they say shal serue not only for the priestes to lye therin but also for the marchantes of the Inglish nation to make ther assembly vvhen occasion is offred and to these buvldings and reparations not only the Duke of Medina Sidonia Lord of the towne and the Cardinal of Siuil metropolitan of the place doe giue their fauours and assistāce for the recouery of all such commodityes as euer belonged to that Church and house but the King also himselfe who besides other fauours gaue them two thousand Crownes in money tovvards the said buylding this yeare past and so it is like to be one of the fayrest houses and churches that is in the vvhole city of S. Lucars This house is to serue principally for a residence of Inglish Priests as I haue said and there is a Doctor of diuinity of your nation prouost therof at this present and there end is as I am informed not only to keepe vp and serue that house and Church but also to intertaine such Inglish as passe in and out to the Seminaries For vvhich cause also the Duke of Medina Celi lord of the porte of S. Maries is about to erect au other residēce like to this in that his tovvne and an other ther is alredy erected in Lisbone an Inglish graue Priest Superiour therof vvith great probability to haue a Seminary also and colledge of Inglish students in that city shortly as al ready ther is one of Irishmen and an other of the same nation in Salamanca stirred vp therunto by the example of the Inglish But to passe forwards in my iourney I arriued about Christmas at Siuil vvher I found a goodly Inglish Seminarie newly begone brought to such perfection as in two monethes only ther weare almost fiftie persons in the same and the said Colledg is placed in the middest and best situation of all the towne and so vvel setled and prouided for euery vvay as if they had byn ther many yeares for that the good vvil and affection of the people toward them is exceeding greate and they seeme to be rauished as it vvere vvith a kinde of admiration of them to see so many Inglish tender youthes al bred and borne in this Queenes reigne and yet so forvvard and feruent in this their religion as to offer themselues to al kinde of difficulties afflictions and perils for the same for such is the profession cōmonly of al these youthes and to confesse the truth it gaue me also incredible admiration to talke with them in that point and surely it seemeth a spirit different from al other nations and men in thes dayes and must needes procede of an higher influence then flesh and blood or vvordlie pollecy or perswasion if I be not deceaued I vvas present at certanie feastes and excercises of learning vvhich these yong men made vppon certaine daies in this their new colledge before Don Rodrigo de Castro the Cardinal Archbishop of that citie vvho estemeth himself his house vvhich is very honorable and of the most auncientest Grandes of Spayne to be discended of your old Dukes of Lācaster as also before the vvhole vniuersity and cleargie of Siuil and before the Gouernour and noble men of the same vvho flocked thither in so great numbers vppon the brute of Catholique Inglishmen as it vvas of force to hold the said excercises in the greater court of the said colledge but yet adorned very decētly for that purpose suerlie the excercises seemed to be done vvith general approbation or rather admiration of al men The one Dayes excercise vvere disputations before and after dinner vppon Conclusions drawne out of al diuinity the learnedest men of al that city and vniuersity repayring thither to dispute vvith the Inglish priestes that defended the conclusions An other day vvas the feast of S. Thomas of Canterbery celebrated vvith great solemnity exceding much concourse of al principal people of that city the Cardinal and some other great personages vvere intertayned vvith orations and speches in Latine at their first entrance vntil the masse began the church and court therunto adioned vvere addressed and hanged vvith greate store of rich clothes thereppon mnch variety of poemes and learned inuentions in Latin Greeke Hebrue Frēch Spanish Italian other languages vvherein these students seme to haue much vse and skil some in the one and some in the other The masse vvas songe with great solēnity by one Don Alonso de Columna brother to the general of the Kings galleons Two Sermonos vvere made bv two Inglish scollers the one in Latine towards the midle of masse after the gospel which indured about au houre the other in spanish after the masse vvas done which Was somvvhat shorter but I can assure you that both the preachers acquitted théselues in such order as they gaue vvonderful contentement drew many teares from the hearers as I can be witnes and I must nedes confesse also that al beit I be not harde to persuade my selfe vvel of Inglish men as you may gesse yet easely should I not haue beleued that your countrymé could so vvel haue framed themselues to giue satisfaction in other countryes if I had not seene and hard this my selfe though alwaies I haue knowne Inglish mens talents and abilityes to be great vvherunto soeuer they list to apply themselues Thus passed that day vvhich vvas the 29. of December and fift day of Christmas vvherin S. Thomas vvas slayn in his owne Church of cāterbury as you know King Henry the secōd being then in Normandy but yet he vvas presumed to be the cause and occasion of this fact though him selfe denied his intentiō thereunto al his life after but the vniuersal Church of Christendome condemned him therin and began presently to celebrate this feast euery yeare by publique authority as of a martyr and appoynted the gospel for the masse of thys day to be taken out of the 10. of S. Iohn vvher Christ setteth downe the difference betwene the good shepheard the bad for that the