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A34470	A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was	Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659.	1656 (1656)	Wing C6094; ESTC R215454	85,329	113

to God glory in the highest And O how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those which bring tydings of peace and say to Sion thy God raigneth thy warfare is accomplished and thy sin is pardoned and this Gospel did Christ preach and command to be preached to every creature under heaven as the work of his Ministerie Rosewell He doth maintain the salvation of all and doth condemn others which do not so you may plainly see now how you are misled and I hope you are all abundantly satisfied in it if it were not to give satisfaction to some I would not have put my self to this trouble to have discoursed with such a man in whose forehead Blasphemy is written in Capital Letters he that runs may read it Coppin Seeing you cannot tell how to call me bad enough as you think therefore I will give you a little more before you go and catch what you can that is that no man can be assured of his own salvation except he see the same salvation in the same Saviour for all men as well as for himself which is to love his Neighbour as himself Rosewell Better and better Coppin For Jesus Christ did die and pay a price for all men one as well as another and if there be but a few men saved and the greatest part damned to eternitie as you say there is what assurance then can there be to any for all were sinners and if there were but one man to be so damned how could any man assuredly know except he believe this but that he himself might be that one man Rosewell Blessed be God which doth so discover him to us his Elder Brother which went before him was more subtil not to discover those Blasphemies which lay hid in him but in you the devil appears in his colours and in his Stage-play terms Coppin I have not yet said any evil of you though you are pleased to raile at me for speaking the truth freelie Rosewell It is not judging nor railing to call a Blasphemer a Blasphemer though I will not deny but there may be something spoken of a weak Brother and also that Scripture in the Rom. by you mentioned when he speaks of a remnant and that they shall be grafted in again and whereas you say that all shall be saved Matth. 22. 14. Many are called but few are chosen I am sorry I must be so brief but straightened in my body the truth is his lungs are better then mine but I hope must here are satisfied in what hath been here stoken Robison We are well satisfied pray God keep us from this damnable Doctrine Coppin It remaines damnable to all that believe it not for though it be a truth that God will save all men yet till man doth see this salvation within him there is no satisfaction unto him but he still remains only as one called with the multitude that shall be saved but being not yet chosen he remains as one unsaved until his time appointed comes that he see himself saved which will then be his choice or election to the faith by the spirit of adoption so that many are called but few are chosen but the called shall all be chosen for it is written That the promise of salvation is to all that are afar off and as many as the Lord shall call Acts 2. 39. CHAP. XII Of the Day of Judgment and all mens coming to it with the time when the place where the manner how the matter judged and for what ROsewell You say we preach damnation and so do cast men downe we do preach it to such as do go on in their sins and live and die in their sins that hell is their portion and as for thousands which die in their infancie the corruption of their natures is enough to damn them in hell to all eternity I can but hint at those things indeed if we did preach only damnation we were too blame but when we do Preach comfort to Believers we preach damnation to unbelievers as Christ saith He that believeth shall be saved and he that believeth not shall be damned at the Day of Judgement Rom. 2. who after their hardnesse of heart treasure up wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God who will render to every man according to his deeds to them that are contentious and obey not the truth indignation and wrath tribulation and anguish to every soule of man which doth evill to the Jew first and also to the Gentile Coppin Sir you have run through many words of wrath and judgment but nothing is proved by you what it is nor when it is and whereas you say there is a day of wrath and judgment I doe acknowledge the same and that it is both to Jewes and Gentiles and all that obey not the truth but whereas you also say that some Jewes which are dead already shall not be grafted in againe I denie for the promise that they should come in was then made for all the stiff-necked Jewes that were also then and before living though their bodies fell in the wilderness yet their Spirits are living and shall again be grafted in When the earth shall be full of the knowledg of God and though you from Rom. 2. doe say they are under wrath you doe not from thence prove that it shall abide on them for ever and ever now I say that that man which is under wrath must there remaine till the Lord Jesus doth come to him to manifest himselfe in him to turne his wrath away from him and so judg that in him for wrath which is for wrath and that for mercy which is for mercy but because you have not declared what this day of wrath and judgment is I will for a day of judgment there is in which all men shall be judged and receive according to their deeds and if there be more then one day of judgment which I shall shew you then doe you declare it for I denie nothing which can be proved by any man from Scriptute Now the Scripture saith there is judgment appointed for all men as 't is written It is appointed for all men once to die and after that the judgment and this death is adying into sin and trespasses for the wages of sin is death which none can be delivered from but by judgment and the Lord Jesus is to be the Judg of all For the Father judgeth no man but hath commited all judgment to the Son who will not judg by the sight of the eye nor hearing of the eare but will judg righteous judgment and Christ saith for judgment am I come into this world and now saith he is the judgment of this world is come now shall the Prince of this world be cast out and as it began then so it is not ended yet but goeth on still and shall continue so long as there is any sin death

burne till it hath burnt up all the foundations and buildings of men in their several forms and Religions that are not founded upon Christ the Chief Corner Stone and this will be a Chaos and confusion and an end of the world to men And now what are you and what do you doe when you seek to imprison or banish this truth away from you which you know not and to stop those cleansing floods which the Lord hath opened in drie places for you and to quench those fierie coales which the Lord hath kindled amongst you to refine you you do but add a greater encrease to the truth for all that which is ungodlie selfish and wicked within you that hath opposed the truth shall be imprisoned by it and drowned with it yea it shall be burnt with the fire and melted with the heat until all be consumed and you dissolved into the nothingnesse of all things below God where you are all lost and you again swallowed up into his own Almightinesse where you are found in your true and everlasting Centre that sends you forth and takes you in at his pleasure And this is the begining and end of the world and of all your fighting against the truth to be lost and to be found to be and not to be and therefore look about you you that talk so much of the end of the world when Christ shall come do you know this end and when it shall be I will tell you my experience it is to your end and at your end that Christ doth come and therefore would you prolong his coming for his coming in will be your going out overturn overturn his rising will be your falling and his life will be your death for you are a lie and he is the truth therefore stay Lord Jesus and come not yet say you that know not his coming to be in you stay till the time of the end of the world which you would not have to be yet because your end must come with it but come Lord Jesus come quicklie say I and all those that know his coming to be in them that the world of sin death hell and all Devillishnesse may have an end in all men as in them that there may be no more wrath nor hatred no more fighting nor quarrelling disputing nor contending for the truth nor against the truth but that heaven and earth righteousnesse and truth may meet together and imbrance each other in all men and at all times places and things whatsoever according to the word and will of the Lord that there may be no more any thing at a distance neither truth nor error light nor darknesse day nor night but that in the evening there may be light and so but one day known to the Lord over all the earth one King and his name one But in the mean time you have here following Articles against the truth and answers for the truth The twenty five Articles called Blasphemy brought against Richard Coppin by the Ministers of Kent and for which he was sent to Prison with his Answers to them COppin First I denie all their Articles to be spoken by me as they are here laid down by them they having much abused my words and also my sense by their adding and diminishing yet for satisfaction to many people of the truth of that which may be in them I shall give a brief answer to them according to the plain sense of Scripture and the manifestations of God to men here on earth which so far as I ever knew in my self I alwaies declared and hid nothing of the counsel of God made known to men but for what God will do by man at the end of this life beyond what is revealed I leave also with him till he shall more reveal it Article 1. That all the Scriptures is but an Allegory that is all said he both Law and Gospel and that it is but an Allegory said he it is clear from Gal. 4. 24. Answer The whole Scripture of Law and Gospel the son of the Bond-woman and the Son of the Free-woman are the two Covenants in an Allegorie so saith Paul Gal 4. 24. which things saith he are an Allegory for those are the two Covenants The Allegorie is in this , Abraham had two sons the one by a Bond-maid the other by a Free-woman the Bond-maid is the Law or first Covenant the Free-woman is the Gospel or second Covenant in a mysterie and these also are the two Jerusalems Sina and Sion the one which is below as in bondage the other which is above as in freedome which are also the two mothers of the children after the flesh and the children after the spirit they who live by the works of the Law under the conditions of the first Covenant and so not all their sins to be forgiven them are the sons of the Bond-woman after the flesh and are in bondage with their mother to this day persecu●ing the sons of the Free-woman born after the spirit that lives by free grace and sees their sins pardoned Secondly the carnal mind of man is the son of the Bond-woman after the flesh minding the things of the flesh which is death the spiritual mind is the son of the Free-woman after the spirit minding the things of the spirit which is life for so it is written To be carnally mindad is death but to be spiritually minded is life and peace and this son of the Bond-woman is to be cast out as no more to be remembred for he shall not be heir with the son of the free-woman for he understands not the things of the spirit of God but they are foolishnesse unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned but the spiritual man knoweth all things yea the deep things of God and therefore lives in God as in peace and freedome and is no longer in bondage Thus is the Scripture an Allegorie and a great Mysterie for great is the mysterie of godlinesse and saith Christ you erre not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God Article 2. That our Jesus took our defiled nature with sin and was a sinner in that nature Answer That Jesus Christ took on him our sinful nature and in it destroyed the sinfulnesse of it is a truth according to these Scriptures Forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood Jesus Christ himself likewise took part of the same that through death he might also destroy him that had the power of death which is the Devil c. and God made Christ to be sin for us laid upon him the iniquities of us all and he did bear them in his own bodie on the Tree which is no blasphemie to say but that he should be a sinner in that nature I never said it neither do affirm as you would have it Article 3. That he was a cursed Goat for the Goats on the left hand

which I know and which you say is a mysterie Secondly consider the death you are to be raised from and that is the death that all men died in the state of the first Adam and do still die by reason of sin from which death all shall be raised to life in Christ the second Adam Now the wages of sin is death and that death which sin doth bring on man is the same death that Christ doth raise him from For you who were dead in sins and trespasses hath he quickned and if ye be risen with Christ seek the things which are above where Christ siteth at the right hand of God which is spoken in the Presentence and not in the Future and cannot be meant of the rising of our corporal bodies after laid in the grave which I question whether those that talk so much of that do yet know this spiritual Resurrection which I hereby declare to you all and if any one can tell us of another Resurrection of the same body of flesh blood and bones again as it was let him declare that as I have declared this for I denie nothing which by any other can be proved but the Scripture saith That flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdome of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption therefore blessed and happy are all they which have their part in this first Resurrection for of such the second death hath no power but they live and raign with Christ Thirdly As there is a bodie to be raised so there is also a bodie to be destroyed and that is the bodie of sin and death which is to die and no more to live For if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin but the spirit is life because of righteousnesse that is of Christ And in Rom 6. there is a Resurrection from sin to newnesse of life spoken of by the Apostle that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorie of the Father even so should we walk before him in newnesse of life for if we have been planted together in the likenesse of his death we shall be also in the likenesse of his Resurrection knowing this that our old man is crucified with him that the bodie of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin Rosewell 2 Tim. 2. 18. But there were false Prophets among them as there are false Teachers among you which say the Resurrection is past already and so bring in damnable errors to overthrow the saith and we see there were some in the Apostles daies which did deny a corporal Resurrection Coppin Do you instance that Scripture as to a corporal Resurrection which speaks nothing of it you do add to that Scripture the word corporal and you know the punishment of him that addeth thereto or diminisheth therefrom Again I do not say the Resurrection is past already for it is not yet come to you nor many more therefore your Scripture is to no purpose against me for I say it is to come as well as alreadie come and that it shall continue until the Day of Judgment be ended or till all that shall be are raised and set free in this spiritual Resurrection from death hell or the grave in which they lie imprisoned and buried by reason of sin but the Sadduces who denie the Resurrection hold there is neither Angel nor Spirit and that do not I. Rosewell I shall prove the Resurrection of the body from Job 19. Where Job saith He shall see God with those eyes at the last day 1 Cor. 15. Paul saith If the dead rise not then is our preaching vain and your faith is vain and you are yet in your sins And Job saith Though wormes destroy his bodie yet in this flesh in this bodie shall I see God which doth clearlie prove a corporal Resurrection but I shall give him rope till night Coppin Add not to the Scripture for there is no such bodily Resurrection spoken of as you declare 1 Cor. 15. 12. so on pray see friends Paul doth not speak of a corporal Resurrection but tells them of the Resurrection of the Dead and saith That if Christ be not risen then all our Preaching and Believing is in vain and we are yet in our sins Clearlie intimating that the Resurrection of Christ doth assure them of their being raised from sin to walk with God in newnesse of life For saith he you are sown a natural body but you are raised a spiritual body and a spirituall bodie is not flesh and bones therefore not the same bodie as you say it is and would have it to be Rosewell There shall be eyes hands and feet Coppin That there shall be eyes hands and feet you are yet to prove Rosewell Job saith He shall see God with those eyes and that in this his flesh he shall see God Againe the Scripture saith That they which are alive and them which are dead shall be raised and all of them shall meet the Lord only this corruptible must put on incorruptible and this mortall must put on immortalitie Again the bodies of Believers are the Temples of the Holy Ghost 1 Cor. 6. and the Temples of Jesus Christ therefore the same bodies shall be raised at the last day Coppin You also bring Job to prove a Corporal Resurrection of flesh blood and bones and that this Resurrection and seeing God with those eyes was not to be till after the death of his visible bodie as you say but I say here is a mysterie and a spiritual sense to be understood in these words Job 19. where he saith I know my Redeemer liveth and that at the last day I shall s●e him stand upon the earth and though after my skin worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God whom I shall see for my selfe and mine eyes shall behold and not anothers though my reins be consumed within me But to understand this you must know how he is the Redeemer and when also what is meant by the last day and the earth which he shall stand upon and what eyes shall behold him c. Now his Redeemer was the Lord and did then live in Job though he knew it not that he should see him at the last day is a truth but what this last day was and the manner how he should see him that he knew not till the time came that he saw him in himselfe therefore you shall find that Job was then in darkness and under much affliction uttering words without knowledg for which he was reproved first by the Prophet Elihu secondlie by the Lord thirdlie he confest it first the Prophet reproved him Job 33. Chap. 35. 16. Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vaine he multiplieth words without knowledg Job 38. 1. 2. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said who is this that darkeneth counsell by words without knowledg gird up now thy loynes like a

the second person in the Trinity God our All-blessed for ever he that did take our nature of his Virgin Mother and doth in our nature sit at the right hand of God and will come again at the last day to judge the quick and dead Coppin I do not denie the three persons according to the Scripture but you do denie Christ to be within us and would subscribe him to a place above our heads with another person therefore I will tell you what the Trinity is First there is God the Father that did create all things and in whom all things live when yet unknown to man and that men might know him that is true he did appear as a son amongst men to manifest himself to men and so he is said to be Immanuel God withus which is also Christ in us the hope of glory Thirdly there is the Holy Spirit and that is the compleat manifestation of the fulness of all things brought home to mans understanding wherein God Christ and man appears all but one in one God as Christ saith I in them and thou in me that we all may be made perfect in one and saith he The Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name he shall come and teach you all things Now so long as man is without this manifestation of God which is Christ in him he is a reprobate and knows not God but when Christ shall so appear in man to shew the Father plainly then is there a perfect knowledg of the true God in man John 14. 20. At that day ye shall know that I am in the Father and you in me and I in you and then know you not but that Christ is in you except you be reprobates And now what is a reprobate but not to have Christ in you which is God manifest in flesh therefore I say Reprobation is the not knowing of God to be in you Rom. 1. 28. for because they did not like to retain God in their knowledge God gave them over to a reprobate mind but where there is God manifest in flesh to the knowledge of any there is Christ and that man is no longer a reprobate for then is God said to walk in him as being no longer still and silent but is seen and known to him as when a man dwells in a house shuting the windows to him and will not be seen so when God doth not only dwell in man but also walk in man discovering himself to man by opening and leting in the light through the understanding of man then is Father Son and Spirit all three as one God dwelling walking and manifesting himself in man For saith he I will dwell amongst you and I will walk amongst you I will be your God and you shall be my people Rosewell You have confounded the three persons Coppin No I have united them together in their proper places as all agreeing in one when as they were three manifestations of that one great and glorious God Father Son and Spirit Rosewell It is high time for Magistrates Ministers and people to look about them when such damnable errors are uttered with so impudent a face Captain Smith Mr. Rosewell It is the plain Scripture I conceive Mr. Coppin hath given the people satisfaction in those things for he saith that Jesus Christ is in no reprobates nor in no man till they know God and that where God doth manifest himself to a soul there is Christ Rosewell But Sir he I know doth mean that there is no reprobates ordained to wrath now tell me will Christ be in them you call reprobates first or last Coppin There is no man now come to know God but first he did not know God and so long he was a reprobate which that all men are till Christ be dwelling in them Captain Smith Till Jesus Christ be manifested in them he saith they are reprobates Rosewell But I have a new question that is Will Christ be manifest in them all first or last answer that Coppin I will give you a plain Scripture for an answer 1 Tim. 2. 4. 5. Who will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth for there is one God and one Mediator betweene God and man even the man Christ Jesus who gave himselfe a ransome for all men to be testified in due time whereunta I Paul am ordained an Apostle I speak the truth in Christ and lie not Rosewell You see ●e affirms that God will save all men Coppin I have answered you in the plain words of Scriptures which is an answer sufficient And Paul saith He doth speak the truth in Christ and lies not pick what you can out of that and of this Gospel truth saith he I Paul am made a Minister Rosewell You do not say that Christ shall appear in all but you bring this as a proof now no Scripture doth contradict another now this is meant he will save some of all sorts of men of places and authority Coppin The Apostle saith all and you say some who perverts Scripture now you or I Rosewell You are not to pray for all men therefore all shall not be saved Coppin If all shall be saved that are to be prayed for then there is none but shall be saved for prayers is to be made for all men Rosewell But the Apostle means all sorts of men and that some of all sorts shall be saved Coppin Then by your own words there is no one whole sort of men in the world left out from salvation but some of all sorts and not all of any sort you say shall be saved and the Scripture saith all men of all sorts for both the fulnesse of Jews and Gentiles shall come in therefore name any of any sort that shall not CHAP. IX The sin against the Holy Ghost not forgiven what it is who commits it and when ROsewell He that hath commited the sin against the Holy Ghost that after strong conviction of truth do fall away and are perverted they shall not be forgiven in this world nor the world to come and whosoever commits sin is of him but he that is born of God sineth not neither can he for his seed remaineth in him Rosewell He that is born of God sineth not that is willingly to make a trade of sin yet in the best of Gods people there is sin Coppin Then he that commits sin is of the devill and shall be destroyed but if he that commits sin and is of the devill be meant of men there is none shall be saved if all commits sin as you say Rosewell No I doe not say so Coppin But you do therefore heare if he that commits sin is of the devill as the Scripture saith and that as you say all men do commit sin for you say in the best of Gods people there is sin and that God will destroy the persons of men

themselves ROsewell I hope those things need not proof they are so clear to every intelligible man I desire that we may be all humbled for these things and I desire to have nothing to do any more with this man except I shall be called to it before a Magistrate or the like and then I shall labour to the utmost to vindicate the truth of God and in my Preaching and Catechistical Exercises I shall endeavour to meet with those damnable errours of his And by the way take notice of those which do sow errours among you they be such as serve not the Lord Jesus but their owne bellies Rom. 16. 17. 18. Mark them which cause divisions and avoid them Now when men shall teach a Doctrine contrary to what the Church of God hath received in all Ages and contrary to the judgment of hundreds in this place which are juditious we may account him a Blasphemer he hath blasphemy in his forehead woe be to them which testifie lies in the name of the Lord Coppin I shall return this back on your own head and thereby kill Golia with his own Sword from these words Rom. 16. Mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and avoid them for they are such who serve not the Lord Jesus but their own bellies Now let the people judge who they are for which consider that the Doctrine of Christ is a Doctrine of unitie love joy and peace amongst men but some there are who have caused divisions and offences railings and revilings at this and other meetings now and at other times contrarie to this Doctrine of Christ and who those are I appeale to the people as for my part I know no man I have wronged amongst you nor spoke evil of any but in love to the Lord the truth and your soules I have onelie defended my selfe in the truth I delivered it being so failed against Rosewell Capt. Smith Let 's conclude there will be no end Coppin I must speak a little more therefore observe they which preach for hire and lucre of worldly profit serve not Christ but their bellies not the people but themselves See Micah 3. 5. 6. 7. Thus saith the Lord concerning the Prophets that make my people erre that bite with their teeth and cry peace and he that puteth not into their mouthes they even prepare warre against him therefore night shall be unto you that you shall not have a vision and it shall be dark unto you that you shall not divine and the Sun shall goe downe over the Prophets and the day shall be dark over them then shall the Seers be ashamed and the Diviners confounded yea they shall all cover their lips for there is no answer of God The Prophets are the Priests the Seers are the Magistrates and those joyn together one to keep up another till the one shall be ashamed and the other confounded and so fall together Rosewell But read the 10. 11. verses They build up Sion with blood and Jerusalem with iniquitie the Heads thereof judg for reward and the Priests thereof teach for hire and the Prophets divine for money Coppin Truly I need not read it you have read it for me and it fits you well the Seers and Heads thereof judg for reward and you the Priests divine for money and if they will not pay you then prepare warre against them sue them at the Law have them before Magistrates and cast them into prison as you doe and have done and so serve not the Lord but your own lusts and for ten pound advancement in one place more then in another you will sell any people or Parish for which take one Scripture more 2 Pet. 2. 1 But there shall be false teachers among you who privily shall bring in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them ye them that denie him and bring upon themselves swift destruction and many shall follow their pernicious wayes by reason of whom the truth shall be evill spoken of and through covetousness shall they with fained words make merchandize of you sell you for profit whose judgment of long time lingereth not and their damnation slumbereth not and are not those your Tythe-mongers I shall leave to you all to judg French Doe you speak this by me we have seldom halfe our Tythes paid us Coppin What are ye guiltie Do your conscience accuse you I name no man but the Priests teach for hire they bear rule by reason of their means and let the people who love to have it so judg who they be Rosewell I blesse God I am guiltlesse of this thing of preaching for hire but you do see many errours have been broached here let me crave liberty for one word of prayer and I have done DISPUTE IV. Began by William Sanbroke Minister and carried on by Walter Rosewell Minister against Richard Coppin in the Cathedral of the City of Rochester in the County of Kent December 13. CHAP. XIV What is a Gospel Message and what is not that damnation to mankind is not eternal how the Gospel is preached to every creature by whom and when SAnbroke You know the businesse of this time is to state a question about the great businesse of Salvation and Damnation and I shall fall briefly do the businesse in hand Question Whether such persons meaning the Priests and namely such of them as tell people of damnation be evil spirits or no as you did hint the last day I shall now give you the History of this Question It is a rule in the Schools that when any one will begin a question that it is necessary they do first dive into the original and bottom of such a question to see whether it runs and to what it tends but this is a question I did never know till these times of ours in this later Ages in which we have shuffled our selves out of a Church-form Episcopacy to Presbytery from thence to Independency from Independency to Anabaptisme from Anabaptisme to Seeking from Seeking to Vniversal Liberty and so we have lost our selves we know not where 1. We will see what is meant by Damnation and that is in the Word signified to be either temporal or eternal 2. What is the evil spirit and that is in opposition to the good spirit that is the devil 3. Consider the persons which he doth say are evil and they are the Priests now this word Priests was put into the Original Copy those are the Ministers of the Gospel lawfully called by God and men and setled by laying on of hands and the Spirit into a Congregation Now that Proposition that doth affirm that the Ministers which do tell people of damnation are evil spirits he must of necessity be a Blasphemer That Proposition that doth say Christ is an evil spirit that is blasphemy ergo For Christ did preach this Doctrine He that believes shall be saved he that believes not shall be damned Coppin Your

question is far fetcht and to little purpose and I shall answer you thus That those Ministers that do preach the Doctrine of Damnation telling people they are eternallie damned are no Gospel Ministers and do preach from an evil Spirit but Christ did not preach this Doctrine of Eternal Damnation to any for he did preach salvation to all men and the acceptable year of the Lord For he came not to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved Sanbroke Mat. 23. 14. Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees Hypocrites how will you escape the damnation of hell and therefore you shall receive the greater damnation Coppin Christ was then a fulfilling the Law which the Scribes and Pharisees did exercise upon the people as a burthen too heavie for them to bear for which several woes of damnation were pronounced against them and to be fulfilled upon them in that generation and Christ speaks not of eternal damnation but of degrees of damnation as of greater and lesser that should come upon them for their hypocrisie among the people and their not believing the glad tidings of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God which Christ told them was to be revealed in them and which would suddainlie come unto them yea them in that generation to whom damnation was then threatened and they hearing of this demanded of Christ the time when the Kingdome of God should come for which they then waited and hoped for and Christ answer'd and said The Kingdom of God comes not with observations neither shall they say lo here or lo there for behold the Kingdome of God is within you yea within you Scribes and Pharisees though you shut it up against your selves and others which many people also now do for which their judgment of long time lingereth not and their damnation slumbereth not but is so much the sooner and the greater unto them And therefore that forenamed place you quoted to prove the Doctrine of Damnation cannot be meant of eternal Damnation since he tells them The Kingdome of God is within them And this saith he is life eternal to know God the true God and Jesus Christ whom he hath sent therefore how doth this prove your Proposition you say they were finallie damned and yet Christ tells them the Kingdome of God was within them Sanbroke Were they Believers or Vnbelievers Coppin They were then Unbelievers not knowing the Kingdome of God to be within them and therefore did oppose it but your Schools will never teach you this lesson of knowing Christ within you which will confound all the wisdome and knowledge you there learn for in the School of men you learn the things of men but in the Schools of Christ the things of Christ and you shall never learn this mysterie of Christ in you till you become Christs Scholar Sanbroke How long doth this Damnation last on them Coppin So long as they do continue unbelievers Sanbroke You do not understand the Text Coppin You will never say that I or any man else do understand in but your selves unlesse they would understand it in your sense for you would have people learn no farther then you teach them but God will destroy all the teachings of men Sanbroke But if Christ did give his Ministers a Commission to preach Damnation then it is good and sound Doctrine so to do and they are not evil Spirits which do it as you do say Coppin But Christ did not give any such Commission to any of his Ministers that he sent forth to preach the Gospel to preach Damnation neither did they do it nor did I say so by them but by those that run and were not sent by him of which I also said somthing to this purpose in a book of mine called Truths Testimony from whence I suppose you had those words but produce but the book and I will warrant you there is an answer to it sufficient to prove it Sanbroke Indeed I had one of the books but I burnt it but to the Proposition Christ bids his Ministers preach the Gospel to every creature He that believes shall be saved and he that believes not shall be damned Coppin But pray mark you Christ doth bid his Discipies go into all the world and preach the Gospel to everie creature which is life and salvation to all by Christ and not damnation to any but salvation to everie creature and he that believes not this Doctrine hath damnation in himself alreadie and this Gospel was to be preached after Christ was risen from the dead and had compleatlie fulfilled the Law which before did condemn them Now saith he Go preach that Gospel of peace and of reconciliation to to everie creature in the world that God is in me reconciling them all to himself for now am I risen to be the life and light of all men and you are not to preach death and damnation but that I am come who is their life and salvation and this is their condemnation that I am come saith Christ and they believe it not or that this Gospel is preached and men receive it not And now do I question whether some of you have received this Gospel Commission from Christ yet or no and do preach the same Gospel for the same end after the same manner as they did for he bids his Disciples preach the Gospel which will save men and you preach the Law which will condemn men their salvation by Christ without works and you damnation without works they preach it to everie creature and freelie and you preach it but to some and for hire and so instead of preaching unitie peace and love amongst men you preach division wrath and eternal damnation which is no Gospel message and such are in no Gospel way have no Gospel Ministerie committed unto them and therefore no Commission from Christ to preach Rosewell If the Gospel be to be Preached to every creature then it must be Preached to stocks and stones for they are creatures Coppin Such things are not capable of hearing and receiving the sound thereof but to every man to every rationall creature the Gospel was to be Preached and is Preached and the sound thereof hath been heard amongst them to all the ends of the earth Sanbroke The time shall come that the Gospel shall be Preached to all men and they shall all heare of this Gospel Coppin But when shall they have it Preached say you I say 't is Preached to all the world already Sanbroke I deny it Coppin I prove it Col. 1. 6. The Gospel which we Preach saith the Apostle is the same which is come unto you as it is in all the world and saith he be not removed away from the hope of the Gospel which you have heard and which was Preached to every creature in the world which is under Heaven whereof I Paul am made a Minister yea of that Gospel which

Blasphemies that I had delivered in the Cathedrall to the great dishonour of God and the seducing of many people for which cause they sent for me I answered that for what might be informed against me I knew not but I doe know nothing that I have at any time spoke to the dishonour of God or against the present Power but hath ever beene and still am more for it then those that doe accuse me No said he you did contrary to our orders Preach yesterday though you were forbid I answer that I know no Law by which they could as yet forbid me to Preach any thing of God that I did know neither should I be silent so long as I had liberty and my mouth were open then said he by what authority doe you come to Preach here I answer that I Preach by the same authority that he himselfe hath pretended to Preach by which is by the power of God and the authority of the present Goverment and also in this Citie by the desires of the people and I Preach not for tythes and yearly maintenance to be setled on me as the Ministers of England and of Anti-Christ doth but in love to the Lord Jesus and his people and then the Articles against me being read which were very many I desired to know my accusers and they that had sworne against me and I to answer to the articles No saith Major Generall Kelsie we shall heare no answer to them at present and so said all the said Justices for we shall not judg of the business now saith they but what we doe at this time is onelie in order to a triall I answer that if they would not heare a answer now I did not question but whensoever I did answer that by the wisdome and power of God which lived in me I should be able to cleare my selfe upon them all No said the Major Generall I hope not I answer doe you hope not but if there were in you any true love you would rather desire that I might and assist me in it for said I where doe you read in all the Scripture that ever Christ and his Apostles or any for them that did ever persecute any for their judgment or make use of any outward Law therein but were themselves persecuted by the false Prophets and enemies to the truth and the truth doth always suffer by those that know it not but said the Major in the times of the Apostles there were no godly Magistrates or Governors as be now nor Laws established as we have I answered that there were Magistrates then for the Apostles said be subject unto the higher Powers and there were some that did persecute the truth as well then as now for they were brought before Rulers and Governors for the truths sake as now they be and as Christ saith they should be for his Names sake But said the Major we are not come here to Dispute with you about those things for you will word it out till to morrow night if we let you alone therefore withdraw the room then one Major Browne of Chatham-Dook who never saw me nor heard me before in his life railed against me and said that I deserved to be hanged that I was the greatest instrument that ever the Devil had in England I answer that an instrument indeed I am to discover what and where the Devil is as an enemie to God and therefore am I my selfe called Devil by the Devil but being commanded to withdraw the roome I and my friends that were with me went aside into another room by our selves and after a while came some Officers of the Souldiers with an order from the said Justices and horses readie provided to carrie me to prison to Maidstone which was from thence about nine miles and where I should be from my friends that none might come to me and amongst those that they supposed were my enemies upon which some of my friends then present went unto the Justices and offered for my Bail thousands of pounds and whatsoever should be desired but no Bail would be taken whereupon I desired before I went to speak with them my self they sent me word if I would come alone I might of whom I demanded a reason why I was sent to prison without a hearing and no Bail to be taken the Major General said they were not to give me an account upon which I pleaded the priviledge of the Act of Blasphemie by which they accused me and that I was not wayes guiltie of it I also produced the Instrument of Government signed by his Highnesse the Lord Protector how contrarie also to that they had acted against me whereby it no man professing Faith in God by Jesus Christ though differing in judgment from the Doctrine Worship and Discipline of other men publikely held forth yet should not be restrained from but protected in the exercise of their Faith and practise of their Religion so as it extended not to Popery and Prelacy nor to a lice●tious walking and the disturbance of the Peace and that all Laws Acts and clauses in any Law Act or Statute whatsoever contrary to the foresaid liberty should be ●ull and void And now unlesse you can prove me guiltie of the breach of somthing in this Instrume●t of Government to bring me under those exceptions to which Instrument I appeal you have nothing to do with me and therefore what you in this have done against me is contrarie to the Law of the present Government yea all Laws of sound reason and the Scriptures but your owne wills but it is not a prison nor any thing else that you can doe against me that I feare knowing my selfe cleare both before God and man from what any one can justly accuse me of but this I find that those that are enemies to the present power and that hate it are suffer'd to make use of it unjustly to persecute those who to their power are the greatest friends to it and there is none hath more contended for it so far as our freedome and liberty in the truth hath been protected by it then I have done and for that am I a sufferer under it though contrary to it And you M. Wise of Chatham that Preach General Redemption and as your friend Mr. R●sewell said whom you assist here against me that if all were redeemed all must of necessitie be saved therefore said he that your judgment of Generall Redemption was as erronious as those of General Salvation and you to clear your self as you thought of that aspersion did the last Sabbath day before declare in your Sermon that though you held General Redemption yet you did believe that not one of a hundred in all England should be saved Then said the Major General unto me Do you know who you are before methinks you should not dare to be so bold in another mans room I answered Sir I do know for I am in the presence of God and

man where I am not ashamed to speake the truth and now is my time to speak being accused for the truth and Sir you were once accused your self for Blasphemie said he What is that to you if I were the Law freed me Said I I doubt not but that it will me also when I come to have Law in the mean time do you do unto others as you would others should do unto you Then said the Major to Captain Smith Take him away let him not stay here to retort his words upon us I answered that what I speak is the truth and am not ashamed of it though others may of what they do And now Gentlemen I thank you for what you have done for in this you will bring much glorie to God and confusion to his enemies though which way you know not but I do and so farewell CHAP. XXI The confidence joy and freedome of a Prisoner for with and in the truth Christ and his Generation owned denied imprisoned judged and freed by whom and why of the power life and light of truth most advanced when most opposed and how ANd now my jorneuy to prison the same night was with so much joy and chearfulness as ever I had in any thing in my life I seeing the end with the begining the last with the first and the first with the last even God which is but according to my principle and the sum of my doctrine which I always declare to the world That if I goe to hell thou art there if I goe to Heaven thou art there if I goe to the ends of the earth thou art there also and thy right hand doth lead me that is he is always with me sweetening and refreshing making joyfull pleasant and delightfull unto me all times places and things with his presence for his owne glory and my peace though with much sorrow to many of my friends that a prison to me in my cause is a palace where I sweetly injoy the Lord my selfe and my friends all together in one unconfined Spirit that in the companie of one I injoy manie for when I am alone then are all with me yea you all in all parts of the world whose Spirit is my owne the Spirit life and power of all accompaning of me in the same work it hath done and is to doe by me for the perfiting of the Saints for the work of the Ministerie and for the edifying of the bodie of Christ till they are all come into the unitie of one spirit to the knowledg of one God in which word Christ saith I and my Father are one he works and I work saith Christ and I am not alone for the Father is with me and Christ when he was in prison yea when he descended into hell injoyed the company of his Father with him which was a Saviour unto him and forth of a prison doth our Saviour come Ah poore prisoners that are in prison and know not that their Saviour is with them that makes a prison a prison unto them It is written of Christ that he was taken from prison and from judgment and who shall declare his generation who can pitie prisoners but he that hath all pitie and is prisoner with them who can shew mercy in judgment but he that is all mercy and himselfe under judgment with those that are judged this is Christ and his generation and no pitie nor mercy is shewed unto them but by him that is in prison and in judgment with them even the Father in Christ taking pitie of and shewing mercy to his owne Children generation after generation therefore a poor despised rejected cast out imprisoned generation to the world is the generation of Christ for in him is no form nor comeliness his visage is more marred then any mans so is his generation and who will owne it and declare to be for it to manifest this generation but onelie he that can be with all that can lay downe his life and take it up againe nothing of the world of man or the nature in its own outward excellency glory of righteousness Religion will acknowledg it but make it self a stranger to it though it be its own flesh onlie a poor despised scattered seed of the same Generation that hath nothing nor know nothing but the Lord to trust upon that will own it no it was that seed that men now seek to kill flay and burie and would not have grow or encrease that did own them when they were in their blood and yet they will not own him because they did not know him He came to his owne and his own reteived him not and why was it but because he came not to give them a Kingdome of worldlie glorie riches and honour but rather to take it from them to strip them of all their esteem among men and to make them denie themselves the world and all things therein to take up his crosse and follow him but this is a heavie burthen to bear a wearie step to tread a narrow path to go and few there be that find it this is the burthen that I am made to bear the steps I am made to tread and the path I am made to goe but having alwayes with me the companie of the Lord I can never faint nor be wearie but be refreshed and at rest in the Lord and so through him become a Conquerour over those things rejoycing with joy unspeakable and which is unlawful to be uttered unto men by the Lawes of men that now let men confine me banish me or do what they can unto me the Lord in whom I live will not leave me nor forsake me and now though my bodie be confined my spirit is at libertie contrarie to the will of my enemies who have sought to deprive me both of companie and comforts pen ink and paper as they themselves hath declared to wearie me of my principle to make me recant my judgement and to draw the peoples affections from it but the more by their endeavouring to make good their intentions the farther off is it from fulfilling that I freelie forgive them and leave them to the Lord who will render to everie man according to his deeds and bring glorie to himselfe through all things for the wrath of man shall turne to the praise of God and by imprisonment is Truths inlargement for it shall spring out of the earth and overflow the refuge of lies and the Lord will ride prosperouslie because of truth of meeknesse and of righteousnesse that the more you seek to stop it with the greater currant it will run till the parched ground is become a poole and the drie land springs of water for in the wildernesse shall waters break out and streams in the Desert and as fire among thorns so is truth among the enemies of the Lords people and the more you seek to quench it with the greater flames it will

was is and is to come spiritually but whether there be such a manner of Day of Judgement as some men would have is not by me denied nor yet by others proved Article 9. That there is no local hell nor heaven all the heaven or hell that he will acknowledge is within man Answer That there is hell and heaven in man the Scripture declares it and I know it but this denies not any other which may be proved by another as for hell it is for man to be out of the presence of the enjoyment of Gods love under wrath and terror of conscience for sin and wickedness which hel Cain was in when he said to God my punishment is greater then I can bear and now shall I go out from thy presence and from thy face shall I be ●id And David saith Thou O God hast laid me in the lowest pit in darknesse in the deep where I am shut up and cannot come forth thy wrath lieth so hard upon me and this is hell and great terror to those that are in it and for any other I know it not but leave it to God Secondlie Heaven is a souls rest peace joy and content in God it is a continual enjoyment of Gods presence with a soul in mercie love and favour through Christ free from sorrow and shame which is righteousnesse peace and joy in the Holy Ghost and where are pleasures for evermore and which Christ saith is within us For behold saith he the Kingdome of God is within you and then needs must we be in that so far as that is in us known to us and enjoyed by us which Kingdome is the Lord himself given to us to be a Kingdome for us into which Kingdome we arise with him to sit in heavenly places in him And this is our Kingdome heaven and happinesse which none can know but he that hath it Article 10. That God will never destroy any creature that he hath made Answer That none of the works of God can perish eternallie being all verie good but the works of the Devil for all things that God made was made by Christ and for Christ and still to remain in Christ as everlasting as Christ for that which hath been is that which shall be and there is no new thing under the Sun as to God but whatsoever was once of God is still of God and shall stand for ever but whatsoever is of man shall come to nought and therefore though man by sinning hath destroyed himself for a time as to himself yet in the Lord is his help and let God alone with his own works Article 11. That he will destroy sin in all but not any sinner that shall ever be destroyed Answer Sin is the work of the Devil which in due time shall be destroyed in all men as Christ shall be manifested in them ●●r this purpose was the Son of God manifest that he might destroy the works of the Devil and therefore that no sinner shall never be destroyed I never said for there is the great Sinner and Lyar the Devil that sins and lies in all men seeking to destroy the works of God in them but is not able and he shall be destroyed and all men sinning in him are so long destroyed by him till Christ be manifest to destroy the Devil in them Article 12. That there is not a Jew that ever died in his unbelief and renounced Christ but is saved Answer This I never said however take this answer that the Jewes as well as others are all the people of God and all men without respect of persons have sinned and renounced Christ and yet he never accused them to the Father but died for all to pardon the sin of all yea them that denie him that so he might save them by living in them and damning that which made them denie him though till then they believe it not and so enjoye it not but whether any man die in this unbeleife I dare not say neither may any other for Christ to give faith comes in the twinking of an eye to some at the last gasp for ought any know however that of God returnes to God and that of the earth to the earth in all men and being once in God it is safe Who will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth even of that Jesus that died for them and lives in them rest then on Godw hose word and will shall stand and he will doe all his pleasure Article 13. That all mankind Jew or Gentile and what ever they are how ever they live or dye shall be saved for the Jewes he brought the Text all Israell shall be saved Rom. 11. 26. for the salvation of all heathen whatsoever he brought Psa. 28. Answer The word how ever they live or die I never said but take this answer also That all men by the law are sinners a like for he that breaks one is guilty of all and as in all men is the seed of the serpent so in all men is the seed of God though for a time it may be hid end there is nothing can be too hard for Christ when he rises in Power in any soule to hinder the salvation of that soule but he will overcome it and however they lived before they are now made new creatures and God having loved them so as to send his Son to die for them cannot but love them still to cause his Son to rise in them from which love nothing is able to separate or pull them out of his hands though it may darken the manifestation of it for a time as to them so that all the Jewes shall be brought in and God will be mercifull to their unrighteousness though for a time blindnesse and hardnesse of heart is happened unto them but it is that the fulness of the Gentiles might come in with them and then all Jewes shall be saved as well as all Gentiles and likewise the heathen hath God given to Christ for his inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for his Possession that he should breake briuse and consume all selfe in them and therein save them but great is this mystery and so good is this work that none should be offended and yet saith Christ many shall be offended because of me Article 14. That no soule can bel●eve with an assurance that he him selfe shall be saved until he bel●eve that all men what soever shall be saved Answer 1. He that saves one saves all and there is no one man till he see that one Jesus who is the Saviour of all men that doth see his own Saviour and then hath not a full assurance of his own salvation and he that doth see Christ and believe in him as the Saviour of all men his salvation is more especially confirmed to him then the others is that doth not so believe

earth I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do for I have raised the dead and cleansed the Lepers and now O Father glorifie thou me and to whom was Christ a stranger but to the other nine for though he had healed them yet he was not manifested in them as an eye to enlighten them whereby to see themselves healed so that there was but one to give thanks for the cleansing of ten and this one was Christ giving thanks to the Father for accepting of him for their cleansing who as yet was a stranger unto them the manifestation of the spirit not yet being given them for which all men come unto him as 't is written Ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the Nations of one man even of the skirt of him that is a Jew saying We will go with you for we have heard that God is with you and look to me all ye to the ends of the earth and be ye saved saith Christ Article 22. That Baptism is of no necessity nor use Answer That that Baptism which is necessary to salvation is of necessity to be used but Water-Baptism was but the Baptism of John and was to end with John being as it was fulfilled by Christ that so Christs own Baptism might take place which was by Fire and the Holy Ghost and of this Baptism there is great necessity because without it no man can be saved Article 23. That there is no place in the whole Word of God that saith there is no Redemption from hell Answer That from that hell which the Scripture speaketh of there is Redemption so saith David Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell and David while he lived was for somtime in it shut up could not come forth the wrath of God lay so hard upon him in his not seeing the pardon of his sins which is hell to all made sensible of it and from which hell there is redemption else what is man redeemed from if not from death and hell which the Scripture saith shall be destroyed and a man must first be in it before he can be redeemed from it but if there be any Scripture in the whole Bible that saith out of hell there is no redemption let it be but by any produced and I shall believe it till then give me leave to believe what I know Article 24. That hell torments are not for ever and the Scripture warrant it Answer That if hell shall have an end as the Scripture saith then needs must hell torments and hell according to Scripture and mens experience is the not injoyment of Gods love and favour and the torments is ignorance of God terror of conscience sorrow of heart trouble of mind being discontented and unsatisfied in his condition all which are hell torments taking place in man for a time until Christ hath overcome them and chased them away by placing in their rooms the joyes of heaven as 't is written Sorrow sighing and mourning may continue for a night but joy comes in the morning and then sorrow and sighing shall all fly away and be no more seen Article 25. That Jesus Christ is not in heaven above Answer That Jesus Christ is the fulness of God and this fulness cannot be subscribed limited or confined to any one place or ●erson locally for it fills heaven and earth and all things therein of its fulness that the heaven of heavens cannot contain him but he is ascended far above all heavens into God himselfe that he might fill all things with himselfe and therein containe all things in himselfe of high and low of things in heaven and of things on earth even in him that in all things he might have the preheminence as one God over all through all and in all therefore to honour Christ with a heaven this is the highest heaven and the greatest honour that can be given to him all which I know him both to be and to have by the witness of the Spirit with the Scripture and my own experience and he that honours not Christ with this heaven he honours him with none at all but dethrones him of his Throne and detains from his glory and such a one as this denies Christ to be in heaven A POSTSCRIPT by friends to comfort the Author of this work in his present Troubles by R. W. L. T Was bravely ventured what three to one And he to keep the field till all were gone But some few men with Swords and Generals Justices of the Peace and men with mauls Consulting the Black-guard their Snakie Den A lodge from whence that cruel Serpenten Spirit of Persecution doth arise Again as 't was in the old Marian daies Else what means it in this our weekly newes From all quarters such dolours to infuse Into our ears which makes us surely think Cruelty shall enter and Justice wink A while to give this bloody Serpent string That so they easie may pluck out his sting From Esam Colchester and this of Kent Tells the Whore rides as though the Skies she 'd rent With her myst'rious fornications gain As though o're the whole world she meant to raign Her Seas nought but mire and dirt cast up To make all drink her filthy wrathful cup Her Merchants roaring bring all to their ways As French sometime Felt-maker in the Mays Rosewell from West to East did rage about 'gainst State when Love by 's sin was rooted out But when thou at Oxford and Glocester try'd Truth then advanced Justice on thy side And quail'd the haughtinesse of Chim'rims pride Whose malice 't was at first to have thee dide In crimson blood and so keep up their trade For which again thou 'rt now a Pris'ner made Go on brave heart let thine enemies know God will them in his fi'ry Oven throw And there perhaps make them his truth Keep Lent for sins or break them on th 〈…〉 FINIS Coll. 2. 2. Chap 1. 27. Tim: 2 Rev. 12 7 8 9 * For the word Chimmerims read Bezaes Translation Zephany 1. 4. Hosea 10. 5. 2 Kings 23. 5. with notes on the Margent As they were at Oxford Worcester Glocester and elsewhere Luke 22. 70. 23. 3. Luke 11. 53. 54. John 16. 2● 1 Pet. 2. 22 2 Cor 5. 21 Isa 53 1 Cor 12. Ephes 5. 34 Jude 9 1 John 3. 8 Isa 53 6 1 Pet 2 24. Redemption from hell John 10 14 Hosea 13 9● Heb 4. 10. Luke 17. 10. Iob 35 6. 7 8. Gallat 3. 10. Psa. 89. 13. 14 15 Rom 11 32 Rom. 19. 21. John 1● 11 Isa 53. 1 Gall 4 4 5 Micah 7 19 Jer. 31 34. Heb● 10 5 Joh. 10 17 18 1 Pet 2 24 John 3 18 Isaiah 53 8. 〈…〉 h 42 6 7 R●v. 1. 17. 18 ●●aiah 26. 19. Iohn 12. 32. Revel. 1. 6. Ier. 50. 5 Heb. 12 last 1 Cor. 3. 13. Isaiah 4 4. Iude 23 Ier 7. 31. 32. 1 Cor. 3. 〈…〉 Isaiah 27 4.