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A47147 A further discovery of the spirit of falshood & persecution in Sam. Jennings, and his party that joyned with him in Pensilvania, and some abettors that cloak and defend him here in England in answer to his scandalous book, called, The state of the case. Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1694 (1694) Wing K170; ESTC R784 61,330 54

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it but not otherwise But I gave him no Ground for this gross perversion and misconstruction of my words for persons may like or dislike a thing without any just cause The true sense of a conditional submission in that case is that so far as the Judgment of any meeting whereof a man is a member is according to the Judgment of the Spirit of Truth the only supreme Judge of matters of Faith and the Testimony of the Holy Scriptures the greatest outward Test and Rule of Tryal so far and no farther is he to submit to them ●●eing no meeting is absolutely and in all cases and respects infallible as Francis Hongel hath well asserted and proved in one of his printed Treatises against a 〈◊〉 bound up with his other books in Folio And seeing S. j hath 〈◊〉 ●●cted a conditional submission as insufficient he must needs 〈…〉 lute submission of mens Faith and Conscience to the meeting 〈◊〉 ●f they 〈…〉 which I say again is Rank Popery and a very great Apostacy from one of the great fundamental Principles of the People called Quakers that hold the Light in every man's Conscience to be the Supreme Judg and Rule of Judgment in matters of Religion for it was an ordinary manner of speech among the Ministers among us To the Light in every Conscience I speak and they did not direct Friends to the Light in others without them for that to be sure derogates from the sufficiency of the Light in our selves to tell us we must not believe what the Light in our selves convinceth us of if it happen to contradict the Judgment of men that call themselves the Church LIV. He confesseth he said somewhat to that effect as was charged against him by me viz. That to do God's business we needed Gods Wisdom and Power but to do our own business as men we needed it not But he alledgeth I pervert his intention therein wherein he falsly chargeth me for he maketh me put this gloss upon his words as if he thought we had a self-sufficiency to do our own business as men he adds I know that all our strength and abilities are from God But as I put no such gloss on his words so he still equivocates not defining what he means by Strength and Ability for if he mean but Natural Strength and Ability which is also from God as to eat walk c. he saith no more than any Pelagian will say But if he mean a supernatural Power and influence of the Spirit of God to guide us in our common affairs he must recant and retract his former gross Error But he not only f●lly accuseth me but perverteth the state of the Question which was not ●s he now stated it Whether there be not a greater Necessity to wait for it viz. the Power and Wisdom of the Word of Life to manage the outward part of Church Affairs than our common Affairs But I leave it to all spiritually minded whether even to manage our common Affairs it be not necessary to wait for the Power and Wisdom of the Word of Life to guide us as much as is po●sible for us even at all times and no more to be remiss in the one than in the other LV. page 36. In his excusing his not submiting to the Judgment of the Mens Meeting in a worldly Matter betwixt T. Budd and him he perverts the case to c●●ak his Partiality by alledging It s improper for any Religious Society to interrupt or alter the Will of the Deceased But he hath not showed and I suppose cannot show that that Meeting required any such thing of him or whether that was it which was to be submitted the which if it were he makes to be a great reflection on the Injustice of the Meeting But if it be improper for a Meeting to require a Submission tending to alter the Will of the Deceased How much more improper was it in S. J. to require me to submit my Faith and Conscience to him and them of that Meeting whereof only Christ and God is Lord and Sovereign And if the Will of mortal Man iss not to be altered much less the Will and Testament of our blessed Lord a part whereof is to stand fast in the Liberty where●●th Christ hath made us free and not to submit our Faith and Conscience to fasllible Men. LVI He perverts the Case again in his Answer to that other charge of his refusing to submit to the Judgment of Friends at London in the difference betwixt Edward Billing and him 1. He saith he did submit so far as he had power else how came a Judgment to be given in the matter against which he saith I never heard him open his Mouth But these are poor Evasions A Judgment might be given and he not submit to the Equity and Justice of it yea he knoweth in his Conscience he did not submit to the Equity of it but still justified his Proceedings in throwing off the Trust committed to him by his Master Edw. Billings and that I never heard him open his Mouth against it is no Argument he did submit to the Justice of it I did not say I heard him open his Mouth against it but others heard him and the thing is sufficiently known that he hath all along justified his throwing off his Trust committed to him from Ed. Billing and taking a new Trust or Commission from the People 2. That he saith the difference lay not betwixt Edw. Billing and him but betwixt Edw. Billing and the Province of West Jersey is notoriously false for it lay not only betwixt the Province and E. B. but also and that greatly betwixt E. B. and him 3. Whereas he saith it is false that the Meeting judged him guilty of betraying his Trust to E. B. It is not enough for him to say it is false but he should prove it to be false 4. Whereas he saith There is no such thing in their Judgment which he saith he hath still by him Let him produce a true Copy of that Judgment and if there be no such thing in it either expresly or to that effect then I shall acknowledge I did unadvisedly so charge him but till then he must have me excused to remain in my sense that I justly charged him having it from such that I have cause better to trust then I have to trust him whom I have proved guilty of Prevarication But seeing he confesseth a Judgment was given it cannot be supposed it was against E. B. for Friends at that time assisted E. B. to recover the Government and to appoint a new Deputy as accordingly he did and S. J. was turned out as the general Observation of the Country was And if it was not against E. B. it was against S. J. for if it was against the Province of West Jersey it was against him seeing if the Province did ill to make S. J. the Governor it necessarily followeth he did ill to accept of it and he