Scorning Lying Slandering Envy Hatred Lightnesse c. with much more of which thou art guilty are the fruits of the flesh and of the Divel hence I querie of thee VIII Whether by this rule art thou not proved to be no Ministers of Christ but of the Devil and a servant to him and a liver to the flesh and not in the spirit in whom these fruits of darknesse and of the flesh are abounding Seeing the Scripture saith the Word of God was in the begining and Christ Jesus is the foundation and no other can be laid hence I querie of thee IX Whether by this rule thou art not proved a deceiver and thy doctrine false and error and contrary to Scripture who said the Scriptures are the Word of God which were not in the begining and said that the Scriptures which are not Christ are the foundation of foundations and whether this doctrine of thine doth not deny Christ and so art proved to be Antichrist answer according to truth Seeing thou confesses thou hast hire for preaching yet saist thou preaches not for hire hence I querie of thee X. Whether any of the People of Reading would give thee so much a year if thou didst not preach to them and if no then whether they do not give thee so much and thou receive it because thou preaches unto them or did they give thee so much before thou preachedst or will they give thee any when thou doth cease to preach to them try them when thou wilt and prove thy self a true Prophet by preaching some years and receiving nothing and till then I charge thee to be a false prophet Seeing the Ministry which Christ Jesus sent by the the Apostles did bring people that they needed no man to teach them but as the anoynting within them hence I querie of thee XI Whether by this rule thy Ministry is proved not to be of Christ Iesus nor thou sent of him by which none can come to this condition that they need no man to teach them produce any one if thou canst and so a Ministry of Anti-christ and thou of the Divel Seeing they that abide not in the Doctrine of Christ have not God hence I querie of thee XII Whether by this rule thou art not proved to be without Christ and without God who abides not in Christs doctrine but are called of men master and stand Praying in the Synagogue and hast the chief seat in the Assembly and contrary to Christs Command Answer these Queries with the Spirit of Sobernesse if thou hast it and shew thy self a man if thou hast the heart of a man and repent of thy wickednesse and own thy condemnation upon thy former words and works I am a Friend unto thy Soul but a witnesse against thy deceits E. B And after which time for the space of two years I had no Communication with Christopher Fowler till this last nineth month at a place called East-Hamsted where a meeting of dispute was appointed and challenged by some of his Brethren at which place again I mett with this my adversary where we had some houres discourse and many particulars of False Doctrine fell from Christopher Fowlers mouth some few of which hereafter followeth First one of his brethren in his prayer before the dispute prayed to God to forgive them the Athesm that were in their hearts of him and his Brethren Answer now an Athest is one that denies God and Athesm is denying of God according to common reputation Athesm is so taken so that how shall such a generation of men bring people to the knowledg of God by your Ministry or how should they ever convert people or profit them who yet in their owne hearts denyed God as the man acknowledged in his prayer before the Lord and many witnesses the poor people of England had thought that the spirit of God had been in your hearts but now we know that you deny God in your hearts and you have confessed it to you ownr shame are you Ministers of Christ and yet denyes God in your hearts and in whose hearts lodges Athesm Oh! let not people be deceived by you but repent yee that know not God but with your mouths confesse him and with your hearts do deny him Christopher Fowler also affirmed that day That the Scriptures are the Glorious everlasting Foundation of Foundations Answ. And hereby it is made manifest that he hath totolly denyed Christ and so proved with his brother confest in his prayer that indeed Athesm is in their hearts and so he hath denyed Christ whom the Scriptures say is the foundation and no other foundation can any man lay and upon him were the Saints builded in their faith and all their practices of Religion for he is the corner stone as it is written and thus he hath dishonoured Christ in setting the Scriptures above him and taking the Honnor from him and giving it to the Scriptures and I shall leave this his doctrine to be considered with a querie to these people of his Church in Reading whether he is worth hearing or giving money to for preaching that holds forth such doctrine and whether it is possible he should bring them to Christ who hath in effect denyed him to be the foundation and held forth that the Scriptures are the Glorious everlasting Foundation of Foundations much I need not say to uncover the error of such a doctrine Again he affirmed That a man at one and the self same time might be a Minister of Christ and a deceiver Answ. And here all may see the weaknesse and Ignorance of this strange paradox and indeed which is contrary to the Scriptures which saith No man can serve two maststers it s very certaine that he that serves the Divel doth not serve Christ at the same time and he that serves Christ doth not serve the Devil and so his doctrine is Anti-christan which would make people believe that though they serve the Devil yet they are the servants of God and this is as much as he hath said that one may be a Minister of Christ and yet a deceiver now a deceiver is one that followes the spirit of the Devil and a Minister of Christ is one that followes the Spirit of Christ and these two spirits are contrary and not both ruling in one man at one time but then to helpe the matter he said a man might serve Christ in office but not in love to which my answer was let him say whether he and the Priests of England did serve Christ by way of office or love both or either and I should prove the contrary but that wee prosecuted no further some other things were affirmed by him that day not now remembred He said That Christ was a sinner from this argument laid down by him all that dies are sinners Christ died therefore c. These and such things he held forth all that day besides the unsobernesse of his words and carriages towards me who called
themselves being righteous and he a blasphemer and they laid snares for him to entrap him in his words as you did who when I would not answer according to your provoking that you might ensnare me would hardly suffer me to answere any thing to clear and defend to the Truth against the boast of the Wicked but by Hooting and Laughing and Clapping of Hands and Foolish Jeastings and unreasonable Rudenesse prevented me from speaking and them that would have heard from hearing as much as you could even as bruit beasts or Heathens and not like civil people much lesse like godly Christians nor like such as would or could soberly debate the Truth of God to edification and truly may I say I fought with beasts at Reading after the manner of men but all was to make your selves and your pretended Minister manifest and all could not be so blind but might understand his wayes and words no to be guided by the Spirit of God but by the spirit of the Devil who is the Father of such Works and Confusion as was brought forth by him in the meeting in many uncivil actions and reproachful words of envy And also as to the matter of dispute on his part managed was but a vain contention boastingly uttered without the fear of the Lord in a proud presumptious spirit and a snare laid in the mid'st of his questions and arguments to entrap the Just but in vain was the snare laid in the sight of the Bird and I chose rather to appear a fool to your wisdom then to be made a prey upon by you and caught in your deep-laid snare for we are learned to be as wise as serpents and deeply did he and some of you fall into the snare of Confusion and Wickednesse and False Doctrine as would have been laid open if he had durst to have staid or you to have heard The Principal Question was whether the Scriptures are the Word of God which he affirmed but could not prove by plaine Scripture unto which much might have been answered and said if patience or any moderation had ruled over your despiteful spirits but because I could not to satisfy your wills and to fulfil your purpose answere yea or nay and thereby make my self a transgressor Therefore hardly would you suffer me to say any thing in any manner of arguing but by wickednesse endeavoured to stopp my mouth My answer was and is the Scriptures the writings which are one are but a declaration and witnesse of the word of God which word was in the begining and endures for ever as Iohn and Peter testifies and the Scriptures which are writings were not in the begining but began to be written by Moses many hundred years after the begining Therefore the Scriptures which were not in the begining are not the Word of God which Word was in the begining further the Scripture saith the Worlds were made and framed by the Word of God but the Scriptures made not the Worlds therefore the Scriptures are not the Word of God which as the Scripture it self saith made the Worlds many such like witnesses might be alledged from the Scriptures to prove the Scriptures are not the the Word God but a Declaration of the Word of God which cannot endure for ever then he said he would prove the Scriptures should endure for ever but could not bring any plaine Scriptures as I demanded of him to prove the assertion but went about in Logick to prove it and could prove no more then that the truth written of in the Scripture should endure for ever which thing I never did or shall deny and so needed not to be contended against by any sober men but unreasonable men who have not faith will say any thing for advantage to themselves and disadvantage to the Truth which they are set to oppose and he instanced and said it is written Christ is God blessed for ever and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and said this should endure for ever to which I answered that which is written of only shall endure for ever but the Scripture and writings should not endure for ever and further instanced God was written and was Scripture and should not endure for ever though God should endure for ever and he could not be written nor contained in a book and through your vanity in scorning and hooting and unreasonablenesse according to your own purpose least your deceiver should be made manifest you prevented me and would not suffer me further to speak in what much more I had to say in this particular I observed that in all the questions and arguments against me was hatched secretly a snare to entrapp me into suffering and to this purpose some of you said wickedly I would presently dispute my self into prison and further he instanced Thou shall honor thy Father and thy Mother it is so written and said he this is a command of God and the Word of God and shall endure for ever with presumptuous boasts and scornful invented terms not beseeming any man much lesse a Minister he could prove this to be the Word of God against all the Quakers in the world and and against all the Fiends in Hell and against all the Jesuits at Rome or filthy words to this purpose and much I desired moderation from you with dilligence to heare my defence thereupon many times desired the Mayor who was present to command silence but I could hardly obtain any from you you were so generally rude rash unreasonable and to him I replyed that to honor father and Mother in the Lord was a command of God and was the Word of God and should endure for ever but Lukes writings the Scripture were but a Declaration of this Command and not the Command it self nor the Word of God and would perish and not endure for ever and bid you read Luke 1.1 There Luke calls his writings which are Scriptures a Declaration and much more might I have spoken to this thing if I had been yoaked against a reasonable man or if the Auditors had been but civil but you could not endure to hear but said I subtilly Insinuated into their people and thereupon several times some of you spake to the Mayor to dismisse the people I thinke least your hirelings should be discovered and your wickednesse reproved and thus the thing came nere an end he not being able to prove by any Scripture or right argument the Scripture to be the Word of God which shall endure for ever but must if his and your eye ever be opened confesse to what I held forth that only that which is written of in the Scripture or which the Scripture declares of shall endure for ever to be the Word of God and nor the Scripture or writings then presumptuously he said prove him if I could to be a False Prophet to which I answered and desired much your moderation but could not obtaine it as though you had
the place and nominated a certain day for the time and he had nigh a weeks notice from me and the time appointed I went to Reading to attend the Service but when I came there I understood that he would not meet me according to his own proposals and agreement but nominated another place and another time which was supposed by me and others to be but a present evading of the matter whereupon his denial to meet me at the time and place appointed by me this following Letter I sent unto him C. Fowler WHereas a Challenge of thine to us called Quakers for a Dispute upon ten Particulars was set up on the Steeple-house-door at Easthamstead and leaving it to us to appoint time and place I did appoint Reading for the place and the fourth day this week called Wednesday the 21. of this moneth for the time and in order to proceed upon the particulars in dispute with thee the place and time abovesaid I ordered my occasions so as to attend upon the Service the said time but I being come into the Town this night do perceive that thou art not content with the place and time though they were left to our appointing in thy Challenge but hast appointed another place and time upon some feeble Reasons which thou gives which I might shew the weakness of and might upon many better reasons say that Reading is the only place seasonable to dispute at for if thou be indeed a true Minister of Christ the people of this Town best deserves to know it by hearing it to be so and if thou art a Deceiver the people of this Town had the most need of any others to know it by hearing thee disproved So upon this place I have pitched and cannot now change my resolution nor alter neither time nor place by me before-mentioned my occasion will not admit me to it Therefore I thought good to write to thee to know for certain under thy hand whether you will give a meeting or not in this Town the fourth day next as aforesaid if not this matter must yet remain as it stands between us till a more clear opportunity for I cannot be at Okingham the day mentioned by thee because my service is already determined for that day and for some other reasons also in my own brest Let me have a plain answer from thee that I may dispose of my self as the Lord guides me for his service This is all for present I do desire who am a friend to all that love the Lord Reading the 19th of the 10th Moneth 1659. E. Burrough But to this Letter his Answer was he would not meet me at Reading for there was no need of Dispute there and therefore it is my present work at this time for to answer his ten Particulars in writing and to make them publike to all that all may judge of this matter And indeed but that for these ten particular Charges and that truth may be clear from those Charges in his ten Particulars I believe I had not thus proceeded in this publike manner but because he ceaseth not to speak evil of the Truth and yet will not come forth fairly to Tryal neither will answer me any Queries in publike but keeps a secret reviling and reproaching therefore do I thus proceed Answer to the first Position Thy Major and thy Minor are both lame and both false and thy so conclusion falls to the ground for the Quakers do not perniciously deny the Scriptures to be the Word of God but they in sincerity say that Christ is the Word of God Io. 1.1 Rev. 19.13 and the Scriptures are the Words of God and a Declaration and a Treatise and this testimony is according to the Scriptures Luke 1.1 Acts 1. And it is not Heresie nor Blasphemy to deny the Scriptures to wit the writings to be the Word of God but the truth written of and those things declared of in the Scriptures are the Word of God and not the writings which are Scriptures But this is further spoken to before and so I pass it Answer to the second Position Thy Major Position is utterly false and not grounded upon any part of the Scriptures so that the Minor and the Conclusion are both denied and cast out For a man may say that Christ is the Foundation of Faith and the Spirit of God is the Rule of Life for thus the Scriptures say And a man may lawfully deny the Scriptures to be the Foundation of Faith and Rule of Life and neither be Heretick nor Blasphemer Was the Apostle a Blasphemer and a Heretick who said No other Foundation could be laid but that which was laid already which was Christ And was he a Heretick and a Blasphemer that said the Sons of God were led by the Spirit of God and exhorted to walk by the Rule of the Spirit And are the Quakers Blasphemers and Hereticks who holds forth that truth the Apostles hold forth and who walks by the Spirit walks according and not contrary to the Scriptures O thou Perverter of the right way of God who hast falsly accused the Innocent in thy illiterate Logick Answer to the third Position In this thou hast falsly accused but yet let us consider thy words There was a Nature in that Man Jesus Christ that was born of the Virgin that was subject to cold heat thirst and hunger and subject to be tempted of the Devil and this Nature was not God whose Nature is Infinite Eternal Unmeasurable not subject to hunger nor thirst nor to heat and cold nor subject to temptations so that a man may say lawfully and be no Blasphemer That there was a Nature in him which was not God and yet the fulness of the Godhead dwelt in him to and he is the Everlasting Father and the Father is in him and he in the Father And thus by a sound interpretation of the Word God by Nature thy Major and Minor and Conclusion are all made void Answer to the fourth The good works of the Saints are wrought in God and by his Spirit and its God that works in them to will and to do and all such works are worthy works glorious works and blessed works even unto eternal life as the Scripture saith Glory Honor and Peace be to every man that worketh good Rom 2.7.10 And no man by Faith without works is justified for Faith without works is dead and a dead Faith doeth not justifie This is our Faith and the Faith which the Apostles were of and we are neither Hereticks nor Papists no more than were the Apostles and thus thy argument is vain and falls to the ground and hath no weight in it unto sober minds though self-righteousness is altogether abomination to the Lord and justifies not any man Answer to the fift A man may deny the sprinkling of Infants and the Administration of Bread and Wine as is held forth in your Assemblies and be neither Antichristian nor a Heretick for the Institution
A DISCOVERY Of some part of the War between the Kingdom of the LAMB And the Kingdom of ANTI-CHRIST Held forth in this account of several Disputes and Queries between a Minister of Christ really so and one that hath the name of a Minister but is proved to be a Minister and Member of Anti-christ by evident Testimonies And is a short account of the Covetousnesse Ignorance Envy and the fruits of darkness brought forth by C. Fowler a professed Minister in Reading And here all may see in some measure the differencâ—â—â—tween Christ and Anti-christ and their Authority and Weapons and also the Fruits and 〈◊〉 of each of them are made manifest By one that makes war in Righteousnesse with the sword of the Spirit against Anti-christ and all the parts of his Kingdom Edw. Burrough LONDON Printed for Robert Wilson at the Black-spread-Eagle and Winde-mill in Martins near Aldersgate 1659. To the Reader Friend THe chief occasion of this being sent abroad to publique view is to the People of Reading most particularly but yet more general unto all and though that it be chiefly unto a particular place and against a particular person to witt Christopher Fowler one that hath the name of a Minister of Christ in Reading whose Folly and Weaknesse and Ignorance is herein discovered yet it hath partly relation to the whole Ministry of the Nation and all men that do not shutt their eyes may see and behold something of that great opposition that is at this day between the Kingdom of Christ and the Kindgdome of Antichrist and I have no other end in publishing of this but for the satisfaction of them that desires it and for the general good of all and if Christopher Fowler shall see himself justly reproved and repent it may prove good to him also and I am not a man of strife for if he and his brethren had not first challenged us to disputes I had not had this occasion thus to proceed now and in what I have done I referr it to the just witnesse of God in the honest People of Redding and to all else where E. B. A discovery of some part of the Warr between the Kingdom of Anti-Christ and the Kingdom of the Lamb c. FOrasmuch as great hath been the debate for these diverse years of late between the Lamb and his followers and Antichrist and his followers and the one of them hath been opposing the other in their owne Power and Authority and great is the debate at this day between these two Kingdomes which is endeavouring the overthrow one of the other and all the strength and power of Antichrist is put forth in defence of his kingdome by Persecution Injustice false Imprisonments Beatings and Whipings and Spoyling of goods and Persons and Railings Accusings Slandrings Reproachings by these wayes and proceedings doth Anti-christ striâ—e at this day for the upholding and maintaining his owne Cause and Kingdome and by this means and these weapons mentioned doth he seek to defend himself his Church and Ministry and Ordinances these are his Weapons and Armour by which he Opposes and fights against the Lamb and his followers whom the Lord hath raised up for this end and they have within these few years more then ever for many Generations made an invasion and inroad upon Antichrist his Kingdome and Government and the great City Babylon and the Seige is raised that hath long been laid against the Holy Seed and the great City Babylon is taken her Walls are scaled and her Gates broken and her strength defeated and her Merchants spoyled of their goodly Treasure for the day of the Lord is come and the Holy Seed is he leading out of the spiritual Sodom and Egypt and Mistery Babilon the Great hath God remembred for her Iniquities and Her crueltyes and Mercilessnes and all Her Abominations will God avenge upon Her Head and this doth come to passe and not by the multitude of an host of men nor yet by Humaine Pollicy and Wisdom nor yet by Carnal Weapons not by Goales nor Prisons nor Persecutions these are not the Lambs Weapons but these are Antichrists and the Dragons Armour and Weapons which he makes warr by against the Lamb and his followers even at this day in every Nation But the Lambs Weapons are Truth Patience long Suffering meeknesse and downe right Sincerity of Heart and Tongue and by these things shall Antichrist be Slaine and these Weapons shall Conquer his Kingdom Love shall overcome Hatred Meeknesse shall overcome Wrath Truth shall overcome Decit and Falsehood and God shall overcome the Divel But more perticularly great hath been the Opposition and Debate made one against the other and the Battel between Christ and Antichrist hath principally been held forth between the Ministers of the Church of England on Antichrists parte and the People called Quakers on the other part no man in the Nation can be Ignorant how the controversy hath depended betwixt these two and what weapons they have used the one against the other and also it is in part known the successe of them both and how the one of them to witt the Ministers so called have had on their part the strength of Men the Magistrates power the rude Multitude and Humane Craft and the Serpents Policy not any of these things have been wanting to them but yet a little seed hath sprung up in the Nation on the other part unexspected by many wâ—â—ch hath had sincerity and truth in it and the Lord hath been with it and he hath blessed it though but little and very small in its beginning yet it is prospered into a kingdome for Gods Might and his Authority dwelleth in it before whom all Nations of the Earth must Feare and Tremble But yet more particularly my present occasion of demonstrating these things are as followeth and the engagement that lyes upon me hereunto is not out of any personal enmity that I have against any but my intent is for the discovery of the Truth that men may imbrace it and for the laying open the decits of Antichrist and his Kingdome that men may come out of Babylon and may not partake of Her Sinns nor of Her Plagues and this matter now in hand cheifly concernes the People of the Town of Reading for their Satisfaction concerning the Wayes Practices Doctrines and Proceedings of Christopher Fowler one of their Ministers with whom I have been joyned in opposition two severall times in dispute with him and the third time was appoynted for our meeting upon discourse as hereafter is related but he not appearing at the time and place according to appointment and he notwithstanding yet continues in opposition too and reproachings of the Truth of the Gospel which I professe and contend for therefore upon this account do I thus engage with him and not for Contention sake but for the open vindication of Truth and Righteousnesse and sound Faith and Doctrine held forth by us and opposed and gain-said by him
set your selves to be rude and vain to prove a False Prophet was either by conversation or doctrine or both and by his fruits he was known to preach for hire and to didivine for money is fruits and signes of a False Prophet as the Scripture testified which should be my rule to try him by if he durst stand to it and they that preached for hire were False Prophets and he preached for hire and therefore was a False Prophet according to the Scripture rule then he said he preached not for hire yet he had hire for preaching a poor shift to cover the devils deceipts but it will not hide his shame and it was proved that he preached for hire to all but such who stopped their ears and it was manifested in his face that he sued some at the law which would not pay him tithes and then I asked him to give any examples from the Ministers of Christ where ever they took tithes or sued men at the the law who would not pay them wages but to this he gave no answer at all and thereby he was proved to be a False Prophet and a deceiver and much more might have been said as to this to prove him and his generation to be false Prophets as may be done at any time but such was the unreasonablenesse at this passage that you were nigh to lay violent hands upon me some of you and least your deceiver should be made manifest you would not suffer me to spake what I had to say but cryed away with me and tell me any of you when he preached any year or time at this town when he had no hire and therefore he is a hireling because he preacheth not without it but for it and so is a False Prophet and he being I judge sorely afraid least he should be discovered went out of his pulpit door two or three times till I called him back again and charged him to stay if he was a man and I would prove him to be a preacher of false doctrine who in my hearing said the Scripture was the foundation of foundations but when he heard this he rann away and fled like a hireling and would not stay and I was and am ready in the presence of God any sober men to prove this to be false doctrine of the devil and him to be no Minister of Christ who holds it forth And all you sober minded men may be ashamed of him who managed his work with so much wickednesse and impudency while he staid and when it came to the very tryal then he runn away and would not stand though I desired him hereby did his guilt appear in flying the tryal and this is the substance of the business though not every particular word and I have gathered it up to send you and him that when you see it and consider and read what you have done you may be ashamed of him and of your own unreasonablenesse and further he is already proved and may be more largely hereafter to be one that God never sent both by conversation and doctrine and no Minister of Jesus Christ and not onely in the house but when we were come forth such was your violence to the stopping of us when we were passing and had not the Mayor prevented it our suffering from some of you had been more than it was let the feare of the Lord strike you and let his light search wicked and ungodly hearts and repent of your doings and cease to do evil and turn from your deceiver if you love your own souls and learn the way of righteousnesse and Peace which you have not yet known for in the broad way you are and the end of it will be unto your everlasting destruction and to you this is a warning and a visitation from the Lord by a lover of your souls who is true though by you called and counted a deceiver and this in love to your souls is sent unto you E. B. Here also followes certain Queries to Christopher Fowler the same time to which he never yet could give any sober Answer therefore I here Insert them that he may yet give his Answer Christopher Fowler SEeing thou art a man so irrational and so unsober to speak and fairly to debate things in discourse and thy Auditory so rude and inhumane in behaviour and words Therefore to thee these few Queries I propound to try thee whether thou wilt shew the spirit of a man by writing more than by speaking seeing therein I have tried thee to be more like a wild inhumane creature than a sober and upright Christian Seeing the Scripture saith the Word of God was in the begining and the world was framed by it and it shall endure for ever hence I querie of thee I. Whether the Scriptures be the very Word of God yea or nay Seeing the Scriptures were not in the begining neither was the World framed by them neither can they endure for ever hence I querie of thee II. Whether the very Word of God be Scripture yea or nay Seeing it is confessed that which is written of and declared of in the Scriptures is the word of God and the Truth which shall endure for ever hence I querie of thee III. Whether the Scriptures the writings and the thing or subject declared and written of are not two distinct things so as one may have the one and not the other yea or nay Seeing God and his Word will and mind is eternal infinite and endlesse hence I querie of thee if thou hast an understanding Answer IV Whether God his Word will and mind is or can be contained or holden in Scriptures and writings or but onely part of the declaration of him of his word will and mind yea or nay Seeing such were false prophets which preached for hire and divined for money and sought for gain from their quarter hence I querie of thee V. Whether by this rule art not thou proved a false prophet who preaches for hire and takes hire for preaching and hath a quarter reading of some part of it from which thou seeks gain answer in plainnesse Seeing every tree is known by its fruit as Christ saith hence I querie VI Whether by this rule thou that brings forth the same fruits as the false prophets did viz. lies lightnesse pride covetuousnesse and false accusing art not the same tree viz. a false prophet Seeing they were false prophets who rann and were not sent and did not profit them the people at all but clothed themselves with the wool and prepared warr against them that put not into their mouths c. hence I querie of thee VII Whether by this rule thou art not proved a False Prophet who canst not prove that thou art sent of God neither are the people profited by thee but are rude and wanton and wicked and thou prepared warr against them that put not into thy mouth by suing them at law for tithes c Seeing