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A16958 Certayne questions concerning 1. Silk, or vvool, in the high priests ephod. 2. Idol temples, commonly called churches. 3. The forme of prayer, commonly called the Lords prayer. 4. Excommunication, &c. Handled betvveen Mr Hugh Broughton remayning of late at Amsterdam in the Low contreyes. and Mr Henry Ainsvvorth teacher of the exiled English Church at Amsterdam aforesayd. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612.; Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622? aut; Blackwell, Francis, fl. 1605. 1605 (1605) STC 3848; ESTC S106726 36,807 44

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our infancie in scholes dictionaries and therfore whither we folow the old translation white silk or the later Geneua fine linen it skilleth not And to conclude because it was silk that it was silk of wormes hath no better ground then their assertion which say the fathers were in Hell because they wer in Hudes seing silk is a general name as wel for that which naturally groweth as for that which the wormes make 2. Moreover that worm-wrought silk was vnclean or might not be in the tabernacle I yet see not for the reasons alleged if by the law of God it can be shewed I am willing to yield 3. Or that the high priests garments wer of linen wollen taking these names properly as we English mē vnderstand them I dare not yet assent vntil it be proved God did dispense with his law as you in speech said he might doe which we al graunt if he would And I chose rather to rel● vpō 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or any one word of God then a thowsand of men hope I hav chosen the better part which shal not be taken from me Length of time wil not preuaile against truth yet that these things wer so holden vsed of the Iewish nation 1400. yeres in their common weal I wil beleev when I see it proued and vnto any just proof I am willing to yeeld but by great words wil not be moved The text yow grant nameth 3 colours onely not the stuff So then wool is not in the text But linen yow say is named as an other kind and white is an addition more of our selves then of the style But that white is a necessary additiō is very probable vnto me seing that the same word Shesh is the name also of white Parius or Alabaster which agreeth nothing with Bysse save in colour onely and it is thought they both had the name of white shining brightnes such as the scripture sheweth bysse to have And in the first place that God specifieth the things to be made herof he cōmandeth ten curtaines of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 shesh that is fine white-linen twined blew purple scarlet wher that one stuff Shesh is first named which was naturally white and three died colours after which though they be substātives at vsed for adiectives as elswhere whitenes is put for white may wel be referred to the first named stuff Neyther herein take I vpon me to teach al Ebrewes Ebrew but do learne of a learned Ebrevv Tremellius of whom others if they wil may learn also But about such matters and names of things to vs not wel knowen men vvil alway differ in iudgemēt neither vvil I contend Though I named not Munster vvhich set forth that Iewes book of the cōmandements yet seing you perceiv I folowed him you might as vvel have medled with the matter as with such a circumstance The answer of your book belongs not to me with the thing which concerneth me I deal as is meet according to my measure As for printing you may publish what you see cause so shal I. Shew my writing to as many as you will I fear no indifferent reader and others I regard not Your censure both of it me I shal suffer vvith patience This comfort I have in my self that in this al other things I seek after truth and peace vvhich God graunt me to find He that vvisheth yovv vvel Henr Ainsworth Mr Brough his Reply YF you were mistaken for the Equivocation of silk wit would you should haue opened your self seing our Copes imitating Aharōs ephod have the silk of the worme Touching the wormes silk for vncleanes in Ceremonies and yet the same lefull in civil life as Musk for vvhich Rambam is taxed in handling Aarons oinctment I would advise you rather to read Ebrew treatises then to hope for men of leasure to shew your vvandringes Specially being so vnthankfill as you are and so far from hope of truth Your Iudaisme that condemne all our Christian churches as godles buildings hath lost al right of disputing So your befooling of saying the Lords prayer according to the expresse commaundement and making phrases of wordes to meane matter of such effect and your excōmunicating for Baptizing in the Dutch church these desperate Athean partes tell others that you are not a church but a synagoge of Satan The 1400. yeres experience you vvould have proved O wise Chronicler Yf you can proue any one yere to have divers thred in the Ephod then M. Ainswoorth shal be the man and vvisdome shall dye with him Rabbines synce Ezra have recordes vniforme Your threatning what you vvill not beleve is a ridiculous confuting I knovv you beleve litle aright Your distinction for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the stone argueth a stony vnderstanding who vvould think of the marble here For the Curtine stuff Tremellius would not refuse the Rabbines He knew Moses spake short as being present to open his mind and the recordes in a lerned cōmon wealth should still continue But he that cannot examin Tremellius when he misseth or hitteth should be quick to hear and slow to speak Rancorous biting besemeth none but the synagoge of Satan In the end you will not contend Why began you then How idle are you Seing I had not Munster by me how senseles are you that think I might hitte rightly with ease vpon the matter or soone teach one as you are or honour a wicked excommunicatour and blasphemer of the Christians and their Church And your thankles hart that knoweth that the best glory of your studies hath ben a theft frō my bookes without mentioning the auctour should not seke my help Yf you sought truth you had long agoe folowed a better study Your owne hart can tell you that in differing copies you cannot tell vvhat the Bible is And for Tremel whom Iunius checketh thrise and himself would have yet once but for prevention by death you that vvil send others to him shew your simplicity The LXX allowed by the Apostles for much as for Ex. 28. are better For Greek tell why Beza 7. times or thereaboutes checketh himself and then adventure to dispute Now your blyndnes bredeth saucy malepertship Peace you hate most deadly that revile our holy buildinges and befoole all Christendome for 1500. yeres and so for the Lordes prayer and give your self over to Satan by vvicked excommunication Mr Ainsvv his Ansvver To Mr Broughton Grace sobrietie HOw wel yow have justified eyther the vnjust reproch of me or your blame of our English translations touching the question of Silk how soundly yow hav prooved linen woollen to be the matter of Aarons garments or worm-wrought silk to be vnclean vnlawful I leav it to the iudgement of the discreet reader that shal see your writings As for my self I rely not vpon any mans aucthoritie though I reverence regard their help as is meet The word of God