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A62870 Præcursor, or, A forerunner to a large review of the dispute concerning infant-baptism wherein many things both doctrinall and personal are cleared, about which Mr. Richard Baxter, in a book mock-titled Plain Scripture-proof of infants church-membership and baptism hath darkned the truth / by John Tomes. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1652 (1652) Wing T1812; ESTC R27540 101,567 110

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wickedness_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n now_o live_v i_o can_v divine_v except_o it_o be_v because_o if_o he_o or_o other_o speak_v of_o they_o while_o they_o live_v they_o may_v be_v convince_v of_o lie_v as_o beza_n do_v the_o tale_n of_o his_o die_v a_o papist_n they_o be_v not_o so_o many_o nor_o so_o formidable_a in_o power_n or_o so_o spiteful_a in_o spirit_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v unsafe_a for_o mr._n b._n to_o tell_v the_o worst_a he_o know_v of_o they_o however_o i_o think_v of_o any_o man_n mr._n b._n being_n according_a to_o his_o declaration_n of_o himself_o in_o such_o expectation_n of_o death_n as_o near_o and_o so_o resolute_a to_o speak_v truth_n shall_v not_o be_v move_v by_o the_o unsafenesse_n of_o speak_a truth_n yea_o if_o mr._n b._n shall_v speak_v all_o he_o can_v i_o think_v he_o shall_v not_o more_o exasperate_v they_o then_o he_o have_v do_v part_n 2._o chap._n 14._o those_o that_o sit_v at_o the_o stern_a i_o can_v yet_o learn_v have_v such_o hard_a thought_n of_o they_o as_o mr._n b._n and_o he_o that_o read_v mr._n edward_n gangraena_fw-la mr._n baillee_o his_o anabaptism_n and_o other_o write_n may_v imagine_v that_o if_o there_o be_v worse_a matter_n to_o charge_v they_o with_o they_o will_v not_o be_v spare_v in_o this_o age_n especial_o by_o those_o that_o be_v out_o of_o their_o reach_n after-historian_n may_v relate_v as_o partial_o as_o the_o present_a and_o therefore_o i_o shall_v not_o think_v it_o lawful_a to_o condemn_v they_o upon_o such_o dark_a intimation_n as_o this_o but_o think_v the_o better_a of_o they_o till_o their_o wickedness_n be_v lay_v open_a 4._o say_v mr._n b._n yet_o if_o you_o have_v name_v that_o society_n that_o
be_v not_o guilty_a of_o schism_n and_o demolish_n the_o church_n by_o division_n and_o contempt_n and_o reproach_n of_o the_o godly_a ministry_n and_o disobedience_n to_o those_o in_o government_n further_o than_o they_o please_v they_o and_o covenant-breaking_a and_o neglect_v of_o the_o lord_n day_n etc._n etc._n you_o will_v credit_v the_o particular_a society_n if_o you_o make_v it_o good_a in_o the_o mean_a time_n i_o see_v they_o roll_v down_o the_o hill_n so_o fast_o that_o i_o think_v many_o have_v but_o one_o step_n low_a to_o go_v answ._n schism_n be_v impute_v to_o protestant_n by_o papist_n for_o their_o not_o join_v in_o their_o corruption_n with_o they_o by_o prelatist_n to_o non-conformists'_a for_o not_o yield_v to_o ceremony_n of_o bishop_n covel_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o his_o answer_n to_o burges_n accuse_v the_o most_o moderate_a of_o they_o as_o make_v a_o rent_n in_o the_o church_n and_o break_v from_o the_o bishop_n even_o in_o that_o where_o in_o they_o be_v very_o passive_a choose_v rather_o to_o for_o sake_n their_o function_n and_o call_v then_o to_o yield_v conformity_n to_o the_o ceremony_n of_o the_o church_n allen_n and_o shepherd_n answer_v to_o mr._n ball_n page_n 27._o advert_v to_o the_o read_v say_v true_o scarce_o truth_n or_o error_n can_v now_o adays_o be_v receive_v but_o it_o be_v maintain_v in_o a_o way_n of_o schism_n i_o confess_v it_o be_v too_o true_a that_o it_o be_v hard_o to_o name_v any_o society_n of_o anabaptist_n or_o infant-baptists_a that_o be_v not_o in_o a_o schism_n and_o common_o both_o party_n guilty_a of_o make_v the_o breach_n i_o be_o conscious_a to_o myself_o of_o use_v what_o mean_v i_o can_v for_o reformation_n without_o schism_n if_o possible_a but_o i_o find_v it_o as_o man_n spirit_n be_v impossible_a yet_o mr._n b._n be_v not_o ashamed_a to_o tell_v the_o world_n in_o print_n that_o he_o have_v as_o good_a evidence_n that_o i_o be_o a_o sect-master_n as_o that_o i_o be_o a_o christian._n i_o 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know_v it_o be_v a_o duty_n to_o be_v baptize_v yea_o by_o christ_n make_v a_o concur_v requisite_a to_o salvation_n with_o believe_v mark_v 16._o 16._o and_o so_o a_o fundamental_a by_o mr._n bs._n rule_v in_o his_o addition_n to_o the_o preface_n of_o the_o second_o part_n of_o his_o saint_n everlasting_a rest_n where_o he_o define_v fundamental_o those_o thing_n which_o god_n have_v make_v the_o condition_n of_o salvation_n infant-baptizers_a will_v not_o baptize_v believer_n yea_o they_o inveigh_v abhor_v both_o the_o opinion_n and_o practice_n we_o conceive_v a_o necessary_a important_a duty_n we_o can_v scarce_o come_v to_o their_o meeting_n but_o we_o must_v hear_v the_o truth_n bitter_o declaim_v against_o person_n that_o hold_v it_o revile_v error_n publish_v infant-baptisme_n practise_v if_o we_o be_v silent_a we_o be_v judge_v to_o consent_n if_o we_o speak_v it_o make_v a_o uproar_n we_o be_v paint_v out_o so_o deform_a as_o that_o man_n be_v almost_o afraid_a to_o have_v speech_n with_o we_o or_o to_o hear_v we_o or_o to_o join_v in_o communion_n with_o we_o magistrate_n be_v by_o write_n and_o sermon_n incite_v against_o we_o i_o know_v not_o what_o we_o can_v do_v less_o than_o be_v baptize_v as_o christ_n appoint_v and_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n mr._n b._n page_n 341._o count_n the_o error_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a socinian_o deny_v the_o continuance_n of_o baptism_n as_o a_o stand_a ordinance_n in_o the_o church_n nothing_o so_o bad_a as_o my_o opinion_n upon_o a_o frivolous_a pretence_n as_o if_o i_o make_v void_a the_o end_n of_o baptism_n in_o that_o where_o in_o the_o true_a end_n of_o baptism_n be_v preserve_v which_o be_v that_o the_o baptize_v engage_v himself_o to_o be_v christ_n disciple_n so_o that_o even_o as_o the_o rigid_a lutheran_n for_o their_o consubstantiation_n have_v rather_o join_v with_o papist_n then_o calvinist_n mr._n b._n be_v more_o willing_a to_o comply_v with_o that_o antichristian_a and_o i_o have_v almost_o say_v atheistical_a way_n of_o live_v above_o ordinance_n then_o favour_v anabaptist_n in_o this_o case_n if_o there_o be_v schism_n in_o our_o practice_n let_v all_o the_o world_n judge_n whether_o we_o be_v not_o passive_a rather_o then_o active_a and_o whether_o the_o true_a cause_n of_o it_o be_v in_o we_o or_o mr._n bs._n and_o other_o invective_n and_o act_n against_o we_o we_o make_v not_o schism_n but_o suffer_v it_o mr._n b._n by_o this_o last_o book_n have_v do_v more_o to_o promote_v it_o then_o any_o anabaptist_n i_o know_v and_o how_o far_o the_o way_n of_o other_o antagonist_n have_v be_v from_o peace_n the_o intelligent_a will_v perceive_v though_o i_o be_v silent_a contempt_n and_o reproach_n of_o godly_a minister_n by_o man_n of_o opposite_a party_n be_v very_o frequent_a and_o mutual_a i_o have_v often_o endeavour_v but_o can_v express_v it_o yet_o that_o society_n of_o anabaptist_n as_o they_o be_v a_o body_n do_v so_o i_o do_v not_o find_v as_o for_o obedience_n to_o governor_n further_o than_o they_o please_v they_o the_o modern_a so_o call_v anabaptist_n in_o england_n and_o holland_n may_v vie_v with_o their_o adversary_n the_o accident_n of_o this_o year_n in_o england_n which_o i_o be_o unwilling_a to_o mention_v may_v serve_v to_o wipe_v away_o the_o reproach_n of_o anabaptist_n in_o this_o respect_n covenant-breaking_a till_o instance_n be_v give_v wherein_o be_v so_o general_a a_o charge_n that_o a_o answer_n can_v be_v give_v i_o know_v man_n be_v take_v to_o break_v covenant_n who_o conceive_v they_o keep_v it_o neglect_v of_o the_o lord_n day_n i_o think_v can_v be_v charge_v on_o the_o society_n of_o anabaptist_n however_o it_o may_v be_v on_o some_o member_n some_o of_o the_o leader_n of_o they_o appear_v sound_n in_o this_o point_n mr._n blackwood_n apostol_n bapt_v the_o jewish_a sabbath_n be_v put_v to_o a_o end_n col._n 2._o 16._o we_o observe_v the_o lord_n day_n from_o the_o apostle_n example_n and_o the_o morality_n of_o the_o four_o com._n which_o require_v one_o day_n in_o seven_o mr._n edward_n harrison_n paedobapt_v oppugned_a page_n 4._o make_v the_o rule_n for_o one_o day_n in_o seven_o moral_a and_o natural_a and_o the_o alter_v the_o day_n simple_o evangelical_n from_o apostolical_a example_n which_o have_v not_o mere_o temporary_a reason_n be_v enough_o to_o prove_v a_o institution_n from_o christ_n which_o sort_n of_o proof_n we_o have_v act_v 20._o 7._o 1_o cor._n 16._o 1_o 2._o mr._n b._n know_v the_o protestant_a church_n beyond-sea_o more_o guilty_a of_o looseness_n in_o opinion_n and_o practice_n about_o the_o lord_n day_n than_o english_a anabaptist_n when_o mr._n b._n speak_v of_o their_o roll_n down_o the_o hill_n so_o fast_o in_o place_v their_o religion_n in_o full_a mouth_v oath_n and_o blasphemy_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v very_o hard_a for_o mr._n b._n to_o charge_n that_o upon_o they_o which_o be_v the_o act_n of_o some_o particular_a person_n who_o they_o condemn_v and_o warn_v other_o of_o and_o whereof_o not_o a_o few_o have_v be_v of_o other_o society_n than_o they_o my_o second_o instance_n 500_o year_n ago_o i_o have_v vindicate_v before_o my_o three_o instance_n be_v of_o society_n at_o this_o day_n in_o the_o low_a country_n and_o mr._n b._n answer_v about_o they_o of_o who_o bullinger_n and_o other_o write_v who_o be_v dead_a afore_o they_o be_v bear_v which_o be_v not_o to_o the_o business_n yet_o mr._n b._n may_v consider_v that_o it_o be_v confess_v that_o even_o than_o menno_n simonis_n detest_a muncer_n &_o becold_v as_o becman_n exercit._fw-la theol._n 21._o page_n 359_o 362._o acknowledge_v that_o even_o then_o there_o be_v aliqui_fw-la innocentiâ_fw-la aquavitae_fw-la commendabiles_fw-la commendable_a for_o their_o innocency_n of_o life_n as_o heresbachius_n relate_v histor._n anabapt_n monast_n c._n 8._o and_o
explain_v himself_o and_o yield_v to_o other_o thing_n which_o may_v sift_v the_o truth_n than_o i_o find_v he_o 2._o it_o be_v not_o true_a i_o force_v mr._n b._n to_o the_o dispute_n the_o word_n of_o my_o letter_n date_v december_n 27._o 1649._o four_o day_n before_o the_o dispute_n be_v these_o sir_n my_o message_n be_v this_o since_o i_o intend_v on_o the_o next_o lord_n day_n to_o prosecute_v what_o i_o have_v begin_v in_o examine_v the_o hypothesis_n upon_o which_o the_o argument_n from_o circumcision_n for_o infant-baptisme_n which_o be_v the_o paedobaptist_n achilles_n be_v build_v i_o be_v willing_a to_o invite_v you_o to_o be_v a_o hearer_n and_o if_o you_o judge_v it_o meet_v to_o oppose_v what_o you_o shall_v think_v good_a in_o a_o logic_n way_n without_o rhetoric_n yet_o if_o you_o choose_v to_o come_v over_o either_o monday_n or_o tuesday_n i_o shall_v be_v ready_a to_o justify_v my_o doctrine_n open_o or_o private_o by_o word_n or_o writing_n as_o it_o shall_v be_v judge_v convenient_a mr._n b._n choose_v tuesday_n jan._n 1._o a_o seat_n be_v provide_v for_o he_o with_o some_o kind_n of_o state_n minister_n and_o scholar_n such_o as_o they_o be_v send_v for_o over_o the_o country_n place_v on_o each_o side_n mr._n b._n which_o with_o mr._n bs._n carriage_n in_o the_o beginning_n to_o propound_v that_o question_n which_o i_o have_v not_o then_o meddle_v with_o in_o my_o sermon_n or_o print_a book_n about_o the_o manner_n of_o baptise_v and_o in_o that_o manner_n as_o serve_v for_o no_o other_o purpose_n but_o to_o create_v prejudice_n beside_o his_o fallacious_a dispute_v in_o the_o beginning_n do_v cause_n apprehension_n in_o i_o of_o the_o design_n of_o bear_v down_o i_o and_o the_o truth_n by_o indirect_a way_n which_o before_o i_o dream_v not_o of_o which_o if_o mr._n b._n be_v not_o privy_a to_o yet_o be_v he_o instrumental_a to_o promote_v which_o i_o confess_v do_v not_o a_o little_a perplex_v i_o and_o straighten_v my_o thought_n and_o 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a_o man_n to_o dispute_v etc._n etc._n for_o my_o uncircumcised_a opinion_n be_v conservant_n with_o mr._n m._n and_o mr._n ley_n their_o unjust_a and_o false_a charge_n of_o i_o to_o which_o i_o answer_v in_o my_o apology_n sect_n 7._o and_o mr._n bs_n insult_a speech_n thereupon_o be_v not_o without_o show_n of_o vain_a glory_n page_n 211._o he_o blame_v i_o for_o desire_v his_o argument_n in_o writing_n though_o not_o deny_v the_o validity_n of_o any_o one_o of_o his_o reason_n against_o writing_n many_o man_n write_n be_v yet_o unaswer_v by_o i_o my_o answer_n to_o mr._n ms._n defence_n be_v weak_a that_o i_o have_v do_v he_o great_a injury_n in_o force_v he_o to_o write_v answ._n the_o desire_n i_o and_o other_o have_v to_o see_v his_o argument_n in_o writing_n be_v because_o we_o can_v not_o otherwise_o well_o judge_v of_o they_o which_o he_o may_v easy_o have_v do_v be_v those_o as_o he_o say_v he_o preach_v at_o coventrey_n and_o have_v write_v in_o his_o book_n at_o the_o 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bs._n notary_n so_o write_v it_o page_z 212._o how_o unseemly_o mr._n bs._n language_n be_v i_o have_v say_v afore_o i_o conceive_v it_o necessary_a mr._n b._n shall_v explain_v his_o term_n to_o satisfy_v the_o people_n who_o can_v not_o judge_v of_o his_o proof_n without_o know_v his_o meaning_n which_o may_v have_v be_v do_v and_o yet_o strict_a dispute_v observe_v which_o mr._n b._n deny_v though_o this_o be_v or_o shall_v have_v be_v the_o end_n of_o the_o dispute_n and_o the_o occasion_n of_o it_o lead_v he_o to_o it_o if_o for_o peace_n and_o for_o fear_v of_o scandal_n be_n equipollent_a as_o i_o take_v they_o to_o be_v in_o these_o speech_n then_o truth_n must_v not_o be_v lose_v for_o fear_n of_o scandal_n and_o no_o truth_n be_v to_o be_v conceal_v so_o as_o to_o be_v lose_v for_o peace_n differ_v not_o as_o much_o as_o truth_n from_o a_o most_o destructive_a falsehood_n as_o mr._n b._n say_v page_n 215._o austin_n i_o think_v have_v the_o word_n i_o cite_v in_o that_o 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