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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85698	A relation of a disputation between Dr Griffith and Mr Vavasor Powell. And since some false observations made thereon, by Dr Griffith (or one of his symonicall brethren) to keep up the crack'd credit of their bad calling and cause. As also to reflect upon Mr Moston (whom they suppose to be the author of that relation) Mr Powell, and others. This therefore is to shew briefly the falsitie of those animadversions: and withall to justifie that syllogisme (objected against by him) by good authors, examples and arguments.	Griffith, George, 1601-1666.	1653 (1653)	Wing G1998; Thomason E686_1	11,644	16

prelaticall historito Page 21. It was time to call for an end of the Disputation So it was indeed when the Doctor was in his Master-piece Ordination so wounded and weakned that two of his owne friends that were Schollers said afterwards they wondered at the Doctors weaknesse therein and being therein wounded he would not heare an argument more Page 21. This passage that he might choose another is not remembred The Proverb is true Whether you would not you know not the way What do not you remember Mr Powell and Mr Moston urged it oft and cald by name upon Mr Kyssin the great Reviler or upon any other to stand up in the Doctors stead But you are told one challenged one of the bench and he refused But that was after the dispute and the young man was Mr Jones the Lord Herberts Chaplaine who challenged Mr Charles Edwards to dispute it in Latine and he received the challenge in my and many more peoples hearing but your Champion laid downe his cudgells as your Doctor did his courage and this I observe in these Vines your improperly called Clergie they are like the old Cavaleers that never stand above one charge So did the Doctor he would not receive but one of Mr Powells Arguments and one Arrow taken up by the way so wounded him and his party that I am perswaded they will never appeare againe in that cause Pag. 22. Mr Powell declared for himself that he received Imposition of hands with fasting prayer by a Presbytery in London He did not say so but that before these warrs he was chosen by fasting and prayer by a Congregation of Saints and since he had a Certificate or Testimony under the hands of twelve of the Assembly besides the Prolocutor He further said That there was one there that had received Imposition of hands by a Presbytery in London which notwithstanding your Confederates by name the upholder of your drunken Alchouse called a Colledge the builder of your sacred Chappell shut out tho he was an University man approved by the Commissioners without exception And this was one of those that preached upon the side of a Hill after the disputation which you falsly accuse for inveighing against learning But you cry out that we send out Weavers Smiths Cappers Souldiers It is true there is one Weaver a blessed understanding man and one Smith a religious godly man and one that hath more learning then some of your Curates it may he two or three gifted godly tryed and approved men besides who may be Souldiers or rather Officers that goe along with our Preachers as Fellow-helpers even as the Apostles Ministers had in the Primitive times in the work of God and God hath made them successull But is it not as lawful for such men who are godly and gifted to exercise their gifts as for simple Sir Johns lack latine lack-gifts lack-grace who kept poor Ale-houses in the Mountaines where they and the people spend togethers the greatest part of the Sabbath in prophaneness of this sort we can produce foure for every Tradsman the Commissioners have sent forth Nay in point of learning they that are now sent out and approved shall compare with so many of the Ejected Priests for spirituall gifts and graces I trow most of your Ejected Clergie will not pretend to Pag. 23 24 c. You say the Doctor made answers to such Scriptures as were cited by Mr Powell The truth is he did answer For First he confessed that it was lawfull for gifted brethren to preach yet in his Sermons he railed against them tho he confessed publiquely he knew them not but he excepted against the long try all of them It 's to be wonderd the Doctor having been a Bishops domestick Chaplaine should forget that Scripture Lay hands sodainly on no man 1 Tim. 5.22 But it seemes the Doctor would have other men run into the same errors which his Bishop rather and himself ran into And it would be better considered by the Doctor his brethren whether gifted men may not continue to exercise their gifts and yet never be made Ministers or receive Ordination at all And if the Doctor or any of his friends puts Pen to Paper againe I shall desire them to answer these Scriptures that justifie gifted brethrens teaching without Ordination Num. 11. 25. Pro. 14. 25 Act. 8. 11. 11. 19. Rom. 12. 6. 1 Cor. 12. 7. 14. 3. Heb. 5. 12. 3. 13. 1 Pet. 4. 10. and to prove that Ordination is essentially necessary to a Minister and without which one cannot be a Minister also let him anser those assertions of learned men as 1. Electio nil nisi complementum Electionis Vel Confirmatio Electionis as another faith Vel Testificatio Electionis Vel Ritus liber e observationis It s true the Doctor will have Bellarmine to joyne with him herein but few or none of the Protestant Writers or Churches Secondly The Doctor acknowledged a Separation from persecuting prophane people this is contrary to Mr Alexander Griffiths Non concordant inter se which made Mr Powell say I wish Doctor you may expresse this your Principle next Easter But I feare as the Doctor did now willingly forbeare to relate this truth least his brethren who to speake truth are for most part but like Ravens to the Swan in comparison of the Doctor as Mr Powells expression was should fall foule upon him Truly reader thou maist beleeve it the Doctor did ingenously whether out of policy piety or because he could not speak against them confesse our separation from persecuters and prophane people to be lawful our Ministry that he had nothing to say against our Ministers which made Mr Powell answer I hope the Doctor will become a separatist and one of us at which the Doctor smild And this is all Mr Powell and those of his judgement would have maintained for they have publiquely and privately in their Churches and elsewhere declared they separate from none of the godly Ministers or godly people of England and that they will receive any that are godly as godly without respect to their opinions if they hold the head Christ to joyn partake with them Take notice that the Preacher who they say was beaten in Dolgelly a tradesman was an University man so there is one untruth more But I will follow them no longer in their falsities but will come in the next last place to justifie the Syllogisme which the Doctor his brethren then excepted against and still ignorantly maintaine because they would not acknowledge either their own weakness and ignorance or the Truth on the contrary side Let 's therfore examine the Syllogisme and the Exceptions against it The Syllogisme runs thus They that are not qualified elected and ordained according to the word of God are not called of God But Doctor G. and his brethren are not qualified c. Ergo. 1. The Doctor exception was that