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A56122 The true Christ, and the Quakers Christ compar'd in a letter sent to Mr. Richard Hardcastle. Wherein is a short review of some things asserted by the Quakers in their Norfolk-disputation with the clergy, &c. 1698. By Robert Prudom. Prudom, Robert. 1699 (1699) Wing P3882; ESTC R220565 14,151 28

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The True CHRIST And the Quakers CHRIST compar'd IN A LETTER SENT TO Mr. Richard Hardcastle Wherein is a short Review of some things asserted by the Quakers in their Norfolk-Disputation with the Clergy c. 1698. BY ROBERT PRUDOM Matth. 24.26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you Behold he is in the Desert go not forth Behold he is in the secret Chamber believe them not London Printed for William Marshal at the Bible in Newgate-street and John Marshal at the Bible in Gracechurch-street 1699. Richard Hardcastle I Shall not trouble my self with the Jars of these two contending Parties about their prefixing a Meeting but only recommend to thee and others of you the Truth in the Simplicity of it and how you are gone from it which if God see good to open your Eyes to behold I shall greatly rejoice I shall draw two or three Heads out of this Book which is An Account of a Dispute betwixt the Quakers and the Clergy of the Diocess of Norwich and some of your other Writings which may be of use unto thee Page the 11th of this Book Ever since we have been a People gathered by the Power and Spirit of God we have sincerely believed and do still believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as the Holy Scriptures do declare of him and do not only plainly say but also firmly believe that there is no other name given under Heaven whereby Man can be saved neither is there Salvation in any other name and this we hope is no Blasphemy Page the 15th We believe in God the Father Almighty Maker of Heaven and Earth and in Jesus Christ his only begotten Son our Lord and Saviour who was born of the Virgin Mary whom the Holy Ghost overshadowed who appeared in the World in that Body prepared for him who died for our Sins and rose again for our Justification and we believe in the Holy Spirit and own the three that bear Record in Heaven and that these three are one We own the Holy Scriptures of truth and believe they were given forth by Divine Inspiration and that they are profitable for Doctrine for Correction for Instruction in Righteousness and are able to make the Man of God wise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Jesus and we esteem the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be the best Book in all the World and could be glad that People did spend more of their time in reading of it and the Ordinances of Jesus Christ his Baptism and the Supper according to the Holy Scriptures If the Truths laid down in scripture-Scripture-words in these two Paragraphs were duly kept unto and the mind of the Spirit of God in them then would there be no need of charging of Error and Blasphemy upon that poor deluded People call'd Quakers But in order to a thorow discovery of their Errors and the Truth in the Spring and Streams that issue from it and how plausibly they cover deceit read this Passage Page the 14th Speaking of the Priests For do they not of Malice rail upon the Truths of God's Word manifestly perceived and as Enemies thereunto persecute the same in charging so many Blasphemies upon the Light within for the Light within is Christ and Christ is the truth of God's Word the Way the Truth and the Life John 14.6 The Word that was in the beginning with God and was God the Sum and Substance of the Gospel and that which the Holy Scriptures give Testimony of and we believe and teach In order to a clear discovery of the Truth in the spring of it and the Streams that come from it I shall lay it down under four Heads First That the true Christ presented unto us in the Holy Scriptures who is the Object of Faith is God and Man in one Person Secondly That the Work of our Redemption was in the state of his Humiliation and the Work of an Intercessor is now in the state of his Exaltation performed by this Christ who is God and Man in union the two Natures of God and Man being concerned in the Work of Redemption and Intercession Thirdly The Holy Ghost's work within being subservient to the Blessed Mediator without and leading to the Father through him doth bring the Soul into an experimental Injoyment of the Father Son and Holy Ghost Fourthly That the two Ordinances of Baptism and the Supper do represent unto the Faith and visible Sight of Believers what Christ hath done for them and that he was a Man dead buried and raised again from the dead and he is now existent in our human Nature in Heaven First That the true Christ presented to us in the Holy Scriptures who is the immediate Object of our Faith is God and Man in one Person dos appear in that when we have an account of his Person in the Old or New Testament we have his Manhood join'd to the Divine Nature Isa 9.6 Many Scriptures do give the Name CHRIST alone to his Manhood not thereby to exclude his Divine Nature Luke 24.25 26. Then he said unto them O Fools and slow of heart to believe all that the Prophets have spoken Ought not Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into his Glory compared with Acts 2.36 Therefore let all the House of Israel know assuredly that God hath made that same Jesus whom ye have crucified both Lord and Christ Whenever the Holy Scripture doth speak of him in his Divine Nature it leaves not off the Discourse but by the hand doth lead us to his Manhood John 1.1 to 13. he speaks of his Divine Nature in v. 14. he takes in the Manhood And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt amongst us and we beheld his Glory the Glory as of the only begotten of the Father full of Grace and Truth compared with Phil. 2.5 to 12. Let this Mind be in you which also was in Christ Jesus who being in the Form of God thought it not Robbery to be equal with God as to his Divine Nature but made himself of no reputation and took upon him the Form of a Servant and was made in the likeness of Men And being found in fashion as a Man he humbled himself and became obedient unto the death even the death of the Cross Wherefore God hath highly exalted him and given him a Name which is above every Name that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in Heaven and things in Earth and things under the Earth And every Tongue should confess that Jesus is the Christ to the Glory of God the Father Secondly That the Work of our Redemption was in the state of his Humiliation and the Work of an Intercessor is in the state of his Exaltation performed by this Christ who is God and Man in one Person the two Natures of God and Man being concerned in the Work of Redemption and Intercession I shall divide this Head into two parts 1. Shew that the Work of our
Redemption was wrought out in the state of Christ's Humiliation performed by him as God and Man in Union the two Natures in that Person being concerned in this Work Isa 53.11 12. He shall see of the Travail of his Soul and shall be satisfied By his Knowledg shall my righteous Servant justify many for he shall bear their Iniquities Therefore will I divide him a Portion with the great and he shall divide the Spoil with the strong because he hath poured out his Soul unto death and he was numbered with the Transgressors compared with 1 Tim. 2.16 And without controversy great is the Mystery of Godliness God was manifested in the Flesh justified in the Spirit The first Scripture gives us an account how the Manhood was concerned in the Work in suffering for Sinners and therefore he should see the travail of his Soul in bearing part in that Honour due to the Redeemer The second Scripture shews us how the Divine Nature perfumed his Sufferings in order to their acceptance with the Father for the Persons for whom he suffered 2. The Work of an Intercessor is performed now in the state of his Exaltation by this Christ who is God and Man the two Natures of God and Man being concerned in the Work Rom. 1.4 And declared the Son of God with Power according to the Spirit of Holiness which was his Divine Nature by the Resurrection from the dead by whom we have received Grace and Apostleship that is the Qualifications for that great Work belonging to that great Office Acts 2.32 33. This Jesus hath God raised up whereof we all are Witnesses Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted and having received of the Father the Promise of the Holy Ghost he hath shed forth this which ye now see and hear 1 Tim. 2.6 For there is one God and one Mediator betwixt God and Men the Man Christ Jesus Thirdly The Holy Ghost's work within being subservient to the blessed Mediator without and leading to the Father through him brings the Soul into an experimental Injoyment of the Father Son and Holy Ghost John 15.26 27. But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father even the Spirit of Truth which proceedeth from the Father He shall testify of me And ye also shall bear witness because ye have been with me from the beginning What was the Sum and Substance of the Apostle's Doctrine Even to recommend this Redeemer the Lord Jesus Christ in his Person and Sufferings to Sinners Rom. 10.9 If thou shalt confess with thy Mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thy Heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved What is the Sum and Substance of the Holy Ghost's Work within Even to accompany this outward Declaration of the Gospel opening the Understanding of poor Sinners letting them see the need of a Saviour inabling the Heart to close with him and by faith to lay hold of that Grace which comes from the Father through him The inward Discovery of the Father and the Sons Love to us is by the Spirit and it is the Spirit 's work to kindle the Fire of Love more and more in the Souls of Saints by which through the blessed Mediator they are inabled to offer up their Souls to their heavenly Father Fourthly The two Ordinances of Baptism and the Supper do represent unto the Faith of Believers what Christ hath done for them because they both point at his Person and what he hath done in his Human Nature buried in the Grave for them held forth by Water Baptism Doth Bread and Wine support by feeding upon it the outward Man So doth the Flesh and Blood of the Man Christ through that Vertue which the Divine Nature puts into it tend to feed the Inward My Flesh saith Christ is Meat indeed and my Blood is Drink indeed 1 Cor. 11.26 For as often as ye eat this Bread and drinks this Cup speaking of the Supper-Ordinance ye shew the Lord's Death till he come Doth it point at him that died and is risen and come in Spirit then until he come must refer to his second personal Appearance as a glorified Man to judg the World Acts 17.31 Because he hath appointed a day in the which he will judg the World in Righteousness by that Man whom he hath ordained whereof he hath given assurance unto all Men in that he hath raised him from the dead In the next place I come to speak of this Spiritual Christ as he is worshipped by this poor deceived People called Quakers who are greatly imposed upon by their Leaders for want of bringing their Writings to be seriously examined by the Holy Scriptures And first as to his Person we have him in their Writings represented as a Spirit and as such Divine Honour given to him 2ly The Work of Redemption not brought in a way of satisfaction to Divine Justice for sin but in the way of the first Covenant of Do this and live i.e. Obey the Light within and live 3ly Acceptance with God not bottom'd upon a Mediator without us but an interceding Spirit within First as to his Person we have him in their Writings presented as a Spirit and as such Divine Honour given to him This appears pears in the most of their Books but I shall at this time only mention two the first taken out of the 14th Page of this Book which is An Account of a Dispute betwixt the Clergy of the Diocess of Norwich in December 98. and the People called Quakers Speaking of the Priests For do they not of malice rail upon the Truths of God's Word manifestly perceived and as Enemies thereunto persecute the same in charging so many Blasphemies upon the Light within for the Light within is Christ William Pen 's Christian Quaker pag. 97 98. The Body of Christ is not so much as in any one and consequently the Seed of the Promise is an holy and spiritual Principle of Light Lise and Power that being received into the Heart bruiseth the Serpent's Head and because the Seed which cannot be that Body is Christ as testify the Scriptures the Seed is one and that Seed Christ and Christ God over all blessed for ever We do conclude and that most truly that Christ was and is the Divine Word of Light and Life that was in the beginning with God and was and is God over all blessed for ever In answer to these Paragraphs it is evident and plain that whatever confession is made by this People of the Lord Jesus Christ as born of the Virgin Mary they do not intend that the Body which was formed in the Womb of the Virgin by the overshadowing of the Holy Ghost doth share with the Eternal Word Creator in the constituting of Christ and partakes with the Divine Nature in Divine Honour and yet this poor deluded Man who hath been an Instrument to lead many sober Persons into grievous Errors hath the Confidence in his