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or_o the_o cardinal_n of_o the_o inquisition_n shall_v forbid_v catholic_n to_o read_n or_o keep_v certain_a book_n to_o know_v whether_o and_o by_o who_o such_o book_n may_v without_o any_o licence_n be_v read_v and_o keep_v or_o no_o learned_a catholic_n must_v diligent_o observe_v for_o what_o reason_n ground_n cause_n or_o end_n they_o be_v forbid_v to_o be_v read_v to_o wit_n whether_o for_o that_o they_o be_v repugnant_a to_o faith_n or_o good_a manner_n and_o also_o they_o must_v careful_o consider_v the_o nature_n property_n and_o difference_n of_o declarative_n and_o constitutive_a precept_n and_o that_o according_a to_o the_o common_a doctrine_n of_o divine_n whensoever_o the_o reason_n or_o end_n of_o any_o law_n do_v general_o cease_v the_o obligation_n also_o of_o that_o law_n do_v cease_v so_o that_o if_o the_o book_n be_v forbid_v for_o that_o they_o be_v repugnant_a to_o faith_n and_o thereupon_o may_v be_v dangerous_a to_o soul_n and_o this_o reason_n be_v not_o true_a 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have_v err_v or_o no_o see_v that_o learned_a catholic_n do_v in_o
and_o saphyra_n and_o of_o other_o and_o from_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o person_n of_o man_n be_v clear_o confute_v chap._n viii_o m._n fitzherberts_n argument_n take_v from_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o the_o civil_a law_n be_v answer_v and_o first_o the_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n and_o the_o priest_n of_o other_o nation_n and_o also_o betwixt_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o of_o nature_n be_v declare_v second_o from_o thence_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o among_o all_o nation_n the_o civil_a commonwealth_n be_v supreme_a and_o dispose_v of_o all_o thing_n both_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a and_o punish_v all_o person_n both_o priest_n and_o other_o with_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o new_a oath_n can_v be_v impugn_a by_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n three_o what_o m._n fitzherbert_n object_v from_o the_o civil_a law_n be_v confute_v chap_n ix_o first_o the_o difficulty_n which_o some_o make_v concern_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n be_v propound_v second_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n which_o be_v common_o urge_v to_o prove_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v relate_v three_o widdrington_n first_o answer_n to_o the_o say_a decree_n be_v prove_v to_o be_v sound_a and_o sufficient_a and_o m._n fitzherberts_n reply_n against_o the_o same_o be_v confute_v chap._n x._o widdrington_n second_o answer_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n affirm_v that_o absolute_a prince_n be_v not_o comprehend_v therein_o because_o they_o be_v not_o mention_v by_o their_o proper_a name_n but_o by_o inferior_a title_n be_v prove_v to_o be_v neither_o improbable_a nor_o absurd_a but_o conform_v to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o learned_a divine_n and_o lawyer_n and_o m._n fitzherberts_n exception_n against_o the_o say_a answer_n be_v show_v to_o be_v very_o insufficient_a and_o fraudulent_a chap._n xi_o widdrington_n first_o answer_n 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therefore_o when_o christ_n have_v cure_v the_o ten_o leper_n he_o do_v not_o send_v they_o special_o to_o the_o highpriest_n but_o to_o any_o one_o of_o the_o priest_n say_v go_v show_v yourselves_o to_o the_o priest_n 91_o but_o howsoever_o it_o be_v say_v this_o doctor_n concern_v the_o custom_n of_o that_o nation_n assure_o in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n great_a cause_n be_v reserve_v to_o the_o see_v apostolic_a as_o we_o read_v cap._n maiores_fw-la de_fw-la baptismo_fw-la &_o eius_fw-la effectu_fw-la in_o the_o decret_a all_o epistle_n therefore_o every_o priest_n may_v indeed_o judge_v of_o the_o leprosy_n of_o sin_n and_o absolve_v or_o bind_v his_o subject_n but_o some_o more_o heinous_a crime_n be_v reserve_v to_o bishop_n other_o also_o to_o the_o pope_n as_o first_o of_o all_o be_v the_o crime_n of_o heresy_n to_o which_o the_o name_n of_o leprosy_n do_v autonomasticè_fw-la agree_n therefore_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n that_o every_o priest_n can_v judge_v king_n even_o for_o the_o crime_n of_o heresy_n add_v that_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n itself_o we_o have_v not_o a_o example_n wherein_o prince_n be_v judge_v for_o leprosy_n then_o by_o the_o high_a priest_n 92_o but_o this_o reply_n do_v not_o answer_v my_o argument_n for_o my_o argument_n do_v only_o proceed_v of_o the_o power_n of_o priest_n stand_v in_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o abstract_v from_o the_o positive_a law_n of_o the_o church_n it_o will_v follow_v say_v i_o that_o not_o only_o the_o pope_n but_o also_o inferior_a bishop_n yea_o also_o and_o priest_n have_v power_n by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n now_o who_o know_v not_o that_o case_n be_v reserve_v only_o by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n and_o that_o by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n there_o be_v no_o reservation_n of_o case_n but_o that_o
consequence_n do_v only_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n and_o from_o that_o which_o by_o a_o necessary_a consequence_n do_v follow_v the_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n and_o consequent_o it_o do_v not_o ex_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n deprive_v one_o of_o any_o civil_a dominion_n or_o jurisdiction_n for_o the_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o from_o communicate_v in_o ecclesiastical_a spiritual_a or_o sacred_a thing_n do_v only_o make_v he_o to_o be_v as_o a_o heathen_a or_o a_o publican_n according_a to_o that_o say_n of_o our_o saviour_n 18._o saviour_n matth._n 18._o but_o if_o he_o shall_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o the_o heathen_a or_o the_o publican_n but_o although_o heathen_n and_o publican_n can_v participate_v with_o the_o faithful_a in_o ecclesiastical_a sacred_a or_o spiritual_a affair_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o therefore_o exclude_v from_o any_o civil_a conversation_n dominion_n or_o jurisdiction_n wherefore_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o when_o i_o say_v that_o the_o deprive_v a_o prince_n of_o a_o temporal_a kingdom_n or_o of_o the_o administration_n thereof_o do_v not_o according_a to_o very_o learned_a divine_n among_o who_o i_o number_v suarez_n and_o becanus_n necessary_o follow_v ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n and_o that_o excommunication_n ex_fw-la se_fw-la of_o itself_o or_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n have_v not_o sufficient_a force_n to_o deprive_v a_o prince_n of_o his_o dominion_n or_o of_o the_o use_n thereof_o my_o meaning_n be_v that_o these_o effect_n do_v not_o necessary_o follow_v the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n and_o that_o excommunication_n ex_fw-la se_fw-la of_o itself_o or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n or_o according_a to_o those_o property_n which_o do_v necessary_o follow_v the_o nature_n of_o excommunication_n and_o which_o be_v found_v in_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n if_o he_o shall_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o the_o heathen_a and_o the_o publican_n that_o be_v as_o suarez_n expound_v supra_fw-la expound_v vbi_fw-la supra_fw-la separate_v from_o the_o church_n do_v not_o work_v the_o say_v civil_a effect_n and_o therefore_o i_o do_v not_o impose_v upon_o suarez_n and_o becanus_n a_o false_a doctrine_n for_o true_a 16._o becan_n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la heretic_n seruanda_fw-la cap._n 8._o num_fw-la 16._o for_o becanus_n do_v in_o express_a word_n affirm_v that_o heretic_n by_o that_o precise_o that_o they_o be_v excommunicate_v be_v not_o deprive_v of_o dominion_n or_o jurisdiction_n either_o over_o their_o subject_n or_o over_o their_o temporal_a all_o good_n but_o that_o this_o deprivation_n be_v a_o distinct_a punishment_n and_o impose_v by_o a_o distinct_a law_n and_o suarez_n hold_v as_o this_o doctor_n confess_v he_o to_o hold_v that_o excommunication_n precise_o and_o per_fw-la se_fw-la do_v not_o deprive_v a_o man_n of_o the_o dominion_n of_o temper_n all_o good_n of_o kingdom_n and_o signory_n and_o teach_v also_o that_o the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n be_v to_o separate_v one_o from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n of_o the_o faithful_a must_v consequent_o according_a to_o his_o own_o principle_n hold_v and_o teach_v that_o excommunication_n do_v not_o per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n deprive_v one_o of_o any_o civil_a communion_n administration_n or_o jurisdiction_n but_o only_o of_o ecclesiastical_a conversation_n which_o be_v direct_o opposite_a to_o civil_a neither_o can_v there_o be_v allege_v any_o sufficient_a reason_n why_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n precise_o and_o per_fw-la se_fw-it shall_v deprive_v of_o civil_a jurisdiction_n or_o administration_n and_o not_o of_o temporal_a dominion_n 134_o but_o suarez_n say_v this_o doctor_n do_v in_o the_o very_a place_n cite_v by_o widdrington_n teach_v and_o prove_v against_o he_o that_o by_o excommunication_n do_v cease_v all_o external_a jurisdiction_n and_o all_o act_n belong_v thereunto_o in_o the_o person_n excommunicate_v and_o in_o subject_n the_o obligation_n of_o fidelity_n although_o it_o be_v confirm_v by_o oath_n and_o that_o also_o the_o dominion_n of_o all_o temporal_a good_n may_v cease_v if_o there_o be_v particular_a mention_n make_v thereof_o as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o excommunication_n of_o heretic_n who_o be_v deprive_v of_o all_o good_n and_o of_o all_o dignity_n 135_o but_o suarez_n do_v not_o teach_v or_o prove_v against_o i_o neither_o can_v he_o according_a to_o his_o own_o ground_n affirm_v as_o i_o show_v before_o that_o any_o civil_a jurisdiction_n administration_n act_n obligation_n or_o communion_n do_v cease_v by_o excommunication_n precise_o per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n or_o by_o any_o intrinsical_a property_n follow_v by_o any_o necessary_a consequence_n the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n for_o although_o suarez_n becanus_n and_o many_o other_o divine_n and_o canonist_n do_v teach_v that_o now_o de_fw-mi facto_fw-la since_o the_o time_n especial_o of_o pope_n gregory_n the_o seven_o some_o pope_n have_v annex_v to_o excommunication_n this_o civil_a effect_n to_o wit_n to_o deprive_v not_o only_o inferior_a magistrate_n but_o also_o sovereign_a prince_n of_o their_o civil_a dominion_n and_o jurisdiction_n be_v persuade_v but_o without_o sufficient_a ground_n as_o i_o have_v show_v both_o in_o this_o treatise_n and_o else_o where_o that_o they_o have_v authority_n so_o to_o do_v yet_o they_o do_v not_o teach_v contrary_a to_o that_o which_o i_o here_o contend_v to_o wit_n that_o this_o effect_n do_v per_fw-la se_fw-la or_o by_o any_o nacessarie_a consequence_n follow_v the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n which_o according_a to_o suarez_n and_o the_o truth_n itself_o be_v a_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n by_o which_o one_o be_v separate_v from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n or_o conversation_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o consequent_o not_o deprive_v of_o any_o civil_a jurisdiction_n administration_n or_o conversation_n which_o be_v direct_o opposite_a to_o ecclesiastical_a as_o i_o declare_v more_o ample_o in_o my_o latin_a appendix_n to_o suarez_n 4_o suarez_n par._n 2._o sec_fw-la 4_o where_o i_o discourse_v more_o at_o large_a of_o the_o effect_n of_o excommunication_n which_o it_o have_v per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n and_o which_o it_o have_v per_fw-la accedens_fw-la by_o the_o positive_a law_n of_o the_o church_n which_o for_o the_o better_a satisfaction_n of_o the_o english_a reader_n i_o think_v it_o not_o amiss_o to_o repeat_v here_o again_o 136_o and_o first_o i_o show_v in_o that_o place_n that_o excommunication_n per_fw-la se_fw-la of_o it_o own_o nature_n and_o according_a to_o the_o true_a definition_n thereof_o set_v down_o also_o by_o suarez_n and_o ground_v in_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n if_o he_o shall_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o the_o heathen_a and_o the_o publican_n have_v only_o this_o effect_n to_o debar_v the_o person_n excommunicate_v from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o consequent_o from_o no_o civil_a dominion_n administration_n jurisdiction_n or_o conversation_n which_o be_v direct_o opposite_a to_o ecclesiastical_a and_o therefore_o that_o mayor_n and_o minor_a excommunication_n be_v not_o per_fw-la se_fw-la of_o their_o own_o nature_n and_o according_a to_o their_o intrinsical_a definition_n distinguish_v in_o this_o that_o minor_a excommunication_n do_v exclude_v only_o from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n and_o mayor_n both_o from_o ecclesiastical_a and_o also_o civil_a communion_n but_o it_o be_v therefore_o call_v minor_a excommunication_n or_o a_o lesser_a excommunication_n for_o that_o it_o debar_v from_o a_o lesser_a ecclesiastical_a communion_n to_o with_o from_o sacrament_n only_o and_o it_o be_v call_v mayor_n excommunication_n or_o a_o great_a excommunication_n for_o that_o it_o debar_v from_o a_o great_a ecclesiastical_a communion_n to_o wit_n from_o sacrament_n suffrage_n and_o other_o ecclesiastical_a grace_n benefit_n and_o privilege_n whereof_o a_o man_n be_v partaker_n by_o be_v a_o christian_n for_o see_v that_o both_o excommunication_n do_v participate_v the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n they_o ought_v according_a to_o their_o nature_n and_o definition_n debar_v the_o faithful_a only_o from_o this_o or_o that_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n in_o particular_a because_o every_o species_n or_o particular_a must_v be_v contain_v sub_fw-la genere_fw-la or_o under_o the_o general_a as_o it_o be_v evident_a to_o every_o logician_n and_o not_o from_o civil_a communion_n which_o be_v direct_o and_o ex_fw-la diametro_fw-la opposite_a to_o ecclesiastical_a 137_o and_o this_o be_v signify_v sufficient_o by_o the_o very_a name_n of_o excommunication_n as_o suarez_n affirm_v for_o a_o man_n be_v therefore_o call_v excommunicate_v because_o he_o be_v separate_v or_o exclude_v from_o communion_n and_o it_o be_v ground_v in_o the_o word_n of_o our_o
from_o hence_o be_v necessary_o infer_v that_o the_o aforesaid_a doctor_n shall_v thereby_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o determine_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n to_o make_v a_o manifest_a and_o inevitable_a schism_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n yea_o and_o to_o precipitate_v man_n into_o a_o manifest_a heresy_n and_o account_v the_o pope_n if_o he_o shall_v not_o hold_v the_o same_o not_o to_o be_v the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o christ_n vicar_n but_o a_o heretic_n and_o antichrist_n and_o all_o the_o other_o part_n of_o the_o church_n who_o shall_v maintain_v the_o contrary_a not_o to_o be_v true_a part_n of_o the_o church_n but_o member_n of_o antichrist_n of_o this_o question_n i_o will_v glad_o be_v resolve_v for_o the_o resolution_n thereof_o will_v give_v no_o small_a light_n whereby_o the_o judicious_a reader_n may_v see_v of_o what_o force_n be_v the_o chief_a objection_n and_o inference_n that_o the_o cardinal_n of_o peron_n urge_v against_o the_o oath_n of_o france_n and_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o parliament_n of_o paris_n make_v the_o second_o of_o january_n 1615._o 39_o and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o lord_n cardinal_n of_o peron_n who_o in_o truth_n i_o be_v very_o loath_a to_o mention_v for_o the_o great_a reverence_n and_o respect_n wherewith_o i_o honour_v his_o grace_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o singular_a gift_n of_o honour_n and_o nature_n wherewith_o he_o be_v adorn_v but_o that_o the_o defence_n of_o truth_n in_o this_o important_a question_n touch_v our_o duty_n to_o god_n and_o caesar_n and_o of_o my_o innocency_n which_o the_o slanderous_a tongue_n of_o some_o have_v unjust_o brand_v with_o the_o infamous_a note_n of_o error_n and_o heresy_n for_o impugn_v their_o new_a invent_a catholic_a faith_n touch_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o also_o the_o publish_n of_o his_o oration_n to_o the_o view_n of_o the_o world_n whereby_o many_o unlearned_a catholic_n not_o be_v able_a to_o discern_v his_o artificial_a and_o cunning_a manner_n both_o in_o propound_v and_o handle_v this_o dangerous_a question_n touch_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n be_v pitiful_o delude_v and_o seduce_v have_v urge_v i_o thereunto_o now_o to_o the_o matter_n from_o whence_o upon_o this_o occasion_n give_v i_o by_o my_o adversary_n touch_v the_o doctrine_n of_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la i_o have_v make_v this_o digression_n 40_o and_o as_o for_o the_o matter_n itself_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 7._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 160._o n._n 7._o for_o the_o which_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n produce_v their_o testimony_n to_o wit_n to_o prove_v that_o many_o decree_n of_o the_o pope_n and_o general_a counsel_n touch_v temporal_a thing_n have_v be_v always_o make_v with_o the_o express_a 47._o nu._n 47._o or_o secret_a consent_n of_o prince_n i_o can_v see_v what_o he_o can_v gain_v or_o prove_v thereby_o for_o the_o question_n now_o in_o hand_n if_o it_o shall_v be_v grant_v he_o for_o will_v he_o infer_v that_o because_o many_o thing_n have_v be_v decree_v by_o pope_n and_o counsel_n touch_v temporal_a matter_n therefore_o no_o such_o thing_n can_v be_v decree_v in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n without_o they_o who_o see_v not_o the_o weakness_n and_o absurdity_n of_o this_o inference_n see_v that_o nothing_o else_o can_v follow_v of_o those_o premise_n direct_o but_o that_o as_o diverse_a other_o decree_n concern_v temporal_a matter_n have_v be_v make_v with_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o prince_n so_o also_o it_o may_v be_v that_o this_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n be_v make_v in_o like_a manner_n with_o their_o consent_n which_o no_o man_n will_v deny_v yea_o we_o willing_o grant_v not_o only_o that_o it_o may_v be_v so_o but_o also_o that_o it_o be_v so_o and_o infer_v thereupon_o that_o forasmuch_o as_o all_o christian_a prince_n give_v their_o consent_n to_o this_o canon_n in_o that_o famous_a general_a council_n which_o be_v as_o i_o may_v say_v the_o parliament_n of_o all_o christendom_n therefore_o they_o be_v and_o ever_o shall_v be_v subject_a thereto_o except_o it_o be_v repeal_v by_o some_o other_o general_a council_n of_o like_a authority_n but_o how_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o because_o this_o and_o diverse_a other_o canon_n concern_v political_a matter_n have_v be_v ratify_v by_o temporal_a prince_n therefore_o they_o can_v not_o be_v lawful_o make_v without_o their_o consent_n which_o be_v the_o point_n that_o widdrington_n must_v prove_v if_o he_o will_v argue_v to_o the_o purpose_n 41_o but_o if_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v be_v please_v to_o consider_v with_o a_o indifferent_a eye_n my_o answer_n and_o the_o principal_a drift_n and_o scope_n thereof_o he_o may_v easy_o have_v see_v that_o my_o answer_n be_v good_a and_o strong_a and_o the_o authority_n which_o i_o bring_v from_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la and_o hostiensis_n sufficient_a to_o confirm_v the_o same_o for_o my_o principal_a answer_n be_v this_o that_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n do_v not_o in_o those_o general_a word_n dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la dominus_fw-la principalis_fw-la &_o non_fw-la habens_fw-la dominos_fw-la principales_fw-la comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n but_o only_o inferior_a landlord_n magistrate_n or_o lord_n it_o be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n and_o authority_n of_o absolute_a prince_n as_o ordain_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o to_o ordain_v do_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o spiritual_a but_o only_o to_o the_o temporal_a power_n and_o that_o therefore_o not_o only_o it_o do_v not_o but_o also_o it_o can_v not_o in_o those_o general_a word_n comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n themselves_o by_o who_o authority_n it_o be_v make_v and_o to_o prevent_v a_o objection_n which_o i_o foresee_v some_o may_v make_v to_o wit_n that_o the_o decree_n and_o canon_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n have_v their_o force_n to_o bind_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o from_o the_o consent_n 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evident_a as_o i_o convince_v in_o my_o theological_a disputation_n that_o no_o such_o thing_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o this_o be_v my_o second_o and_o less_o principal_a answer_n 28_o beside_o that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n may_v in_o those_o last_o word_n of_o he_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o pope_n testify_v that_o he_o make_v the_o first_o breve_fw-la with_o mature_a deliberation_n and_o certain_a knowledge_n use_v some_o cunning_a fraud_n for_o his_o meaning_n may_v be_v that_o his_o holiness_n testify_v that_o he_o make_v the_o first_o breve_fw-la not_o only_o with_o mature_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o but_o also_o with_o certain_a knowledge_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o verity_n of_o all_o that_o he_o affirm_v therein_o as_o though_o his_o holiness_n shall_v have_v say_v that_o he_o know_v certain_o that_o many_o thing_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o oath_n flat_a contrary_n to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n as_o he_o affirm_v in_o his_o first_o 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holiness_n to_o have_v lie_v manifest_o in_o his_o second_o breve_fw-la when_o he_o testify_v that_o he_o make_v the_o first_o with_o such_o mature_a deliberation_n and_o certain_a knowledge_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v for_o i_o ever_o acknowledge_v as_o his_o holiness_n in_o his_o second_o breve_fw-la do_v testify_v that_o his_o former_a breve_fw-la be_v not_o false_a or_o surreptitious_a but_o write_v as_o you_o have_v hear_v upon_o his_o certain_a knowledge_n motion_n and_o will_v and_o after_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o yet_o from_o this_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o therefore_o his_o holiness_n and_o his_o divine_n find_v out_o the_o truth_n in_o all_o point_n and_o be_v not_o in_o very_a deed_n mistake_v and_o deceive_v in_o the_o true_a understanding_n of_o some_o clause_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o that_o they_o certain_o know_v that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n which_o be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n or_o that_o his_o power_n to_o excommunicate_v to_o bind_v and_o loose_v etc._n etc._n which_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n as_o also_o i_o do_v willing_o grant_v that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n book_n against_o his_o majesty_n apology_n be_v his_o own_o true_a book_n although_o mask_v under_o his_o chaplain_n name_n and_o not_o false_a or_o surreptitious_a but_o write_v upon_o his_o certain_a knowledge_n motion_n and_o will_v and_o after_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o and_o notwithstanding_o all_o this_o i_o dare_v bold_o affirm_v that_o he_o know_v not_o certain_o that_o all_o the_o thing_n which_o he_o say_v therein_o be_v true_a and_o that_o in_o many_o thing_n concern_v the_o oath_n whereof_o some_o i_o have_v name_v before_o he_o be_v foul_o mistake_v and_o deceive_v as_o i_o have_v convince_v in_o my_o theological_a disputation_n 30_o now_o with_o the_o like_a fraud_n and_o falsity_n do_v mr._n fitzherbert_n run_v from_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la to_o the_o three_o as_o he_o do_v before_o from_o the_o first_o to_o the_o second_o and_o if_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la say_v he_o 4._o he_o pag._n 213._o nu_fw-la 4._o do_v not_o suffice_v to_o clear_v his_o holiness_n of_o this_o imputation_n yet_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la must_v be_v abundant_o sufficient_a to_o do_v it_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o any_o reasonable_a man_n see_v that_o he_o confirm_v thereby_o his_o former_a judgement_n give_v express_a order_n and_o faculty_n to_o master_n george_n birket_n the_o late_a archpriest_n as_o widdrington_n himself_o also_o signify_v 60._o signify_v ibid._n nu_fw-la 60._o to_o punish_v by_o the_o deprivation_n of_o faculty_n all_o such_o english_a priest_n of_o the_o seminary_n as_o be_v subject_a to_o his_o jurisdiction_n have_v already_o take_v the_o oath_n or_o have_v teach_v or_o do_v still_o teach_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a and_o not_o abstain_v from_o the_o same_o and_o resorme_v their_o error_n upon_o due_a admonition_n give_v they_o and_o within_o a_o certain_a time_n to_o be_v prescribe_v unto_o they_o whereby_o i_o say_v any_o reasonable_a man_n must_v needs_o be_v induce_v to_o think_v that_o his_o holiness_n neither_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v all_o this_o time_n which_o be_v more_o than_o two_o year_n ignorant_a of_o the_o true_a nature_n and_o quality_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n betwixt_o the_o catholic_n and_o their_o adversary_n especial_o see_v that_o now_o he_o begin_v to_o draw_v his_o apostolical_a sword_n proceed_v to_o the_o punishment_n of_o such_o as_o do_v take_v or_o defend_v the_o oath_n which_o he_o can_v not_o lawful_o do_v without_o due_a consideration_n and_o diligent_a discussion_n of_o the_o whole_a controversy_n and_o sufficient_a information_n of_o all_o the_o circumstance_n thereof_o 31_o thus_o you_o see_v how_o 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